message to anyone who wants to become a police officer/cop

[drizl]

please find something else better to do, than to make a career out of harassing people. i have been thinking about this all day and it has been bothering me. seriously, how much of what police officers do actually is for the good of the public. i dont know about you, but in my area of suburban chicago all the cops do is harass people. and they get more money each year to do so. they set up road blocks, search cars for no apparent reason, arrest kids for curfew violations etc... shit that really is helping no one, just inconveniencing everyone.

sure, they do some good.

personally, and i know quite a few cops...kids who i went to highschool with, i think many cops are now in their position because they were picked on as kids, and have found something to do, that they get paid for, to be the one picking on. the whole power trip thing. its a bunch of crap.

we dont need all these cops. what we need are strong communities which police themselves. which dictate their own needs, actions etc... authority and government will only work when it is in the background, to be called upon when needed...to play a minor role in the lives of the people. not as a force of dumbheaded nimrods who want to arrest people because they can.

if you are going to be a cop, be a good cop. dont be an asshole with a badge.

[YoungRemy]

even though i agree with many of your points, I do find myself playing Devils Advocate...

regarding kids and the curfew laws- if there is a curfew in effect, then what are the police doing wrong by arresting those that break the law? thats their job!

what i am trying to say is that its always the lawbreakers who hate the cops- they are the ones who run when the police shows up and they are the ones who feel like they are entitled to break the law and that the police are infringing upon their rights...

fuck the police...

[CrankItUp!]

drizl

yes exactly, well said. (y)

And that goes for all in the other areas of law enforcement/judicial system too.

[kaiser soze]

police are unpredictable

they will treat you swell when your trouble and treat you like shit when your nice

and I don't dig em doing the whole "Police State" act at protests, especially blasting people in the face with beanbags and pepper spray when it's unnecessary

[drizl]

certain laws have a basis or purpose.

i remember hearing once that you can judge the health of a society by looking at their jail/prison system. if there are many people in jail you have a problem with that society, and in such a case, more often than not it is not a problem with the people, but the government enforcing the laws. for example, china, the united states, nazi germany etc... more people in jail is usually a sign that the government is becoming paranoid. that they are arresting more and more "subversives" because they fear them, and they try to instill that fear upon the population by hiring more police, using more media and granting more money towards jailing people.
in this country, it is actually recognized that we have an entire industry related to jailing people, called the military industrial complex

marijuana laws? medical research, denied by the FDA, not even givena chance by the FDA, shows the medical value of marijuana. weed is also much safer than drinking. marijuana is better than big tobacco, better than alcohol, and in some cases better than sex (j/k:)) there are literally hundreds of thousands of otherwise innocent people, jailed for marijuana each year.
this also costs the tax payers greatly...next point.

tax laws? taxes are unconstitutional, yet people are thrown in jail for not complying while the rich continue to get tax breaks.

drinking age laws? other countries without age laws have less problems with minors getting drunk...you dont see cases of beer for sale in italy. thats an american phenomena which is only beginning to catch on in some other countries. my personal opionion is that with minors, if you make a law, they will be more likely to rebel against it and break it than if you dont make it a law.

this all boils down to laws...and upholding the law. if anyone sould be arrested, it is our president, and the thousands of corrupt corporate leaders and politicians who are making these laws. they are the assholes here, not the kids smoking a joint in the city park.

if you are going to be a cop, protect the public, not the rich minority.

[Waus]

My friends back home and I always used to make fun of the cop-bashers.


"Fuckin' cops. Always servin' and protectin' shit. That's fucked up!"

[The Notorious LOL]

we dont need all these cops. what we need are strong communities which police themselves. which dictate their own needs, actions etc... authority and government will only work when it is in the background, to be called upon when needed...to play a minor role in the lives of the people. not as a force of dumbheaded nimrods who want to arrest people because they can.




again, idealistic hippie shit. The "Near North" neighborhoods of Minneapolis consist of the vast majority of violent crimes in the entire metro area and its all within a very small neighborhood. There is plenty of community action programs, plenty of neighbors doing neighborhood watch, community meetings, programs to improve it, and guess what? Its still dangerous as hell.

[Ace42X]

It does sound, especially coming from Chicagoans, that your police force are closer to a civil army than a ... well... police force. Maybe it's because I live out in the sticks, or maybe its because no-one here carries guns, including the cops, but they are pretty reasonable people in my experience. Maybe the UK police force entry criteria are higher.

I'd tell people not to join the army before telling them not to join the police force myself. Besides, the only way the police force / legal system will get better is if reasonable normal people who can think for themselves join it, as they are the people most likely to employ reasonable personal judgement in situations, rather than being dicks.

[Ace42X]

again, idealistic hippie shit. (...) and guess what? Its still dangerous as hell.

In the UK, the cops don't carry guns. "Idealistic hippie shit" maybe, but we don't have anywhere near your level of gun-crime.

[The Notorious LOL]

but thats not based on a community governing itself is it? The laws mandate gun ownership rather than individual choice. Gun control in the UK is some of the strictest on the planet.

[Waus]

Honestly, I think that most people go into policework with good intentions, but after years of seeing the worst side of society they become cynical and jaded.

It takes strong character and a very deep sense of ethics to keep doing that work without hating the human race I think.

I doubt I could do it.

[Ace42X]

Gun control in the UK is some of the strictest on the planet.

Not at all. 14 year olds can legally own shotguns. It is a cultural thing - watch Bowling for Columbine and see.

My point was that, much of which you marginalise as "idealistic hippie bullshit" has a signficant positive effect on a society. Many of the things that make the UK vastly superior to the US would be decried as "idealistic hippie bullshit" by the voting majority of your countrymen.

[ggirlballa]

los angeles can be great but it kinda sucks too almost everynight i hear a helicopter pass by searching for somebody and L.A is the gang capitol of the world ( i heard that from a reporter i had no idea) and theres so much crimes here and i feel like the cops don't do much and when they do they get very violent & do things that are unessary its depressing watching so much violence on t.v last week a 10 year old boy and his 17/18 year old brother where shot & killed in a drive by and today a little 4 year-old girl was accidently struck by bullets when 2 gangs where having a shoot-out............its madness!!!!!

& the police are more eager to catch taggers than killers!:mad:

[drizl]

i think there are many good cops out there, sure. but a true cop, who serves on the oath he has sworn by would be telling the federal government to get the fuck out of their business (e.g. the police in mendocino county who kick out the feds so to maintain the rights of their citizens to grow marijuana). a true cop would arrest the president. a true cop would arrest the bad cop. a true cop would not be afraid of the heirarchy that they are very much a part of. idealistic, yes, but i have heard stories such as those police forces, cities, counties and states which are turning against the patriot act.

my point is, we have too many cops who suck ass. i wrote this thread thinking about a discussion i had with another board member who told me not to write about smoking hash because based on her line of work (training to be a cop) it was not a good idea. like she was going to narc me out on a message board or something like that. she is going to be a bad officer. there are so many out there, like her, who are bad officers.

a real police officer doesnt obey the law, he/she protects the people. obeying the law protects the corrupt law makers. protecting the people is their job, not protecting the rich white men who claim to be leaders and lawmakers

[QueenAdrock]

Weird, I just got done watching Garden State.

"You're a COP, Kenny?"
"Yeah, I know!"
"...Why?"
"I don't know, man. Had nothing better to do. People really listen to you, you know? I mean... [suddenly pulls out gun] they HAVE to! Plus, the benefits are great, you know? If I get shot on the job, I'm like... *MMM*... rich! Speaking of which, how'd I do?"
"You mean... as a cop?"
"Yeah, you know, the whole, "shut-the-fuck-up!" thing..."
"Well, I thought you were a dick, so I guess that's good..."
"Nice!"

[TurdBerglar]

give all your cops to me and my city then

[drizl]

take em, we got waaaaayyyyy too many here

[zorra_chiflada]

the cops here are actually pretty good.

[The Notorious LOL]

Not at all. 14 year olds can legally own shotguns. It is a cultural thing - watch Bowling for Columbine and see.

My point was that, much of which you marginalise as "idealistic hippie bullshit" has a signficant positive effect on a society. Many of the things that make the UK vastly superior to the US would be decried as "idealistic hippie bullshit" by the voting majority of your countrymen.



interesting retort but not completely true. If it was strictly cultural then surely the UK would have similar gun violence issues being that there is not a whole lot of difference culturally between there and the states.


The UK is certainly not vastly superior.

[Ace42X]

If it was strictly cultural then surely the UK would have similar gun violence issues being that there is not a whole lot of difference culturally between there and the states.

Hah, bullshit and logic errors.

Firstly, the UK and US cultures are very very different in a lot of ways, and it is probably the US's insular media to blame for you not being able to spot it.

Secondly, I said "it is a cultural thing" not "it's because every aspect of the UK's culture is completely different to the US's culture."

The fact that both nations are predominantly Christian, for example, is irrelevent. The fact that here, owning a gun is considered a pretty weird extremist thing to do, rather than "exercising your rights as a patriot" is not.

The UK is certainly not vastly superior.

Yah, it is.

[QueenAdrock]

PG county cops (where UMD is located) are among some of the most corrupt in the country. I think they're tied with Chicago.

[Ace42X]

PG county cops (where UMD is located) are among some of the most corrupt in the country. I think they're tied with Chicago.

I have no idea what your acronyms mean...

Parental Guidance cops, where Universal Media Discs are located?

University of Maryland I can guess, the other one?

[TurdBerglar]

very few americans actually own guns. it's just the few that do own guns usually have lots

[Ace42X]

very few americans actually own guns. it's just the few that do own guns usually have lots

See, that's what I'd like to think... But here in the UK, gun ownership is probably less than 1%. I suspect that the "few that do" are prolly ten times that proportion for you.

[QueenAdrock]

I have no idea what your acronyms mean...

Parental Guidance cops, where Universal Media Discs are located?

University of Maryland I can guess, the other one?

PG County is just a county in Maryland. PG=Prince George's.

[TurdBerglar]

yeah well gun ownership is probably much higher than one percent. but it's not like you walk into a random families house and you see a gun rack. and it proabably increases the farther south you go.

[The Notorious LOL]

Hah, bullshit and logic errors.

Firstly, the UK and US cultures are very very different in a lot of ways, and it is probably the US's insular media to blame for you not being able to spot it.

Secondly, I said "it is a cultural thing" not "it's because every aspect of the UK's culture is completely different to the US's culture."

The fact that both nations are predominantly Christian, for example, is irrelevent. The fact that here, owning a gun is considered a pretty weird extremist thing to do, rather than "exercising your rights as a patriot" is not.



Yah, it is.


that could possibly be a valid argument but in any circumstance there is no completely unbiased media, so as a general rule of thumb I tend to take what is reported with a grain of salt and check various sources.


How often have you spent time in the States? How much do you know about it aside from what you have experienced thru second hand reporting?

You are inserting all these points into a statement which were never even referenced from the jump. Where gun control and religion are coming from, I dont know.

And no, it certainly isnt. You still live under capitalism with a few more perks. Its a box of shit in foil wrapping. We're just better at the rape and pillage game.

[Ace42X]

How often have you spent time in the States? How much do you know about it aside from what you have experienced thru second hand reporting?

Irrelevent. If you are going to demand that the only evidence which is valid is evidence you have accumulated first-hand, then you can say goodbye to every scientific principle you haven't directly experimented or proven personally. I have not personally performed tests to verify Newtonian laws of physics, Ohm's law, etc etc - and yet you would not criticise me if I then applied them to a subject despite this.

You are inserting all these points into a statement which were never even referenced from the jump. Where gun control and religion are coming from, I dont know.

Read the thread again. I brought up "gun-control" in order to challenge your marginalisation of "idealistic hippie bullshit." I was demonstrating that a lot of the virtues I personally, first-handedly, benefit from as a UK citizen were brought about through the institution of policies (based on philosphies...) which you (and certainly the people who you have identified yoursefl with by playing the "hippy-tree-hugging-crap" card) would probably describe as such.

"Religion" I brought up to demonstrate that your criticism of my analogy was a straw man (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw_man). I was arguing that the reason for the difference in gun violence is not due to "gun control" laws (as I stated, 14 year olds can legally own shotguns here), but due to a cultural difference, IE a difference in attitude to guns and gun-ownership.

Your retort was that the UK and the US are "culturally similar" - while I disagree with this anyway, the rebuttal is irrelevant, and bordering on equivocation. There may be "culturally similaries" between the two nations, this does not automatically mean that the "cultures" on a whole are similar, and certainly doesn't imply that they are similar in the relevent area, IE attitude towards guns.

And no, it certainly isnt. You still live under capitalism with a few more perks. Its a box of shit in foil wrapping. We're just better at the rape and pillage game.

Yes, you are right, on the whole. However, those "few more perks" are the difference between a subsistence level of living, no medical care, and the very real risk of being gunned down in the streets, just off the top of my head.

I could equally say the same thing about the US vs Africa. "You both live under capitalism, but you have a few more perks." Would you not say that living in America is vastly superior to living in Africa?

[jlees_mcsd]

if you are going to be a cop, be a good cop. dont be an asshole with a badge.




One of the main reasons I want to be a police officer is because I feel this generation needs to have officers that are moral and uphold VALUES as well as laws. I don't plan on being a 'brassy bitch' officer, I will do my job.
I am sure that there is corruption in ANY criminal justice branch and the more officers the more corruption, however for every jerk-off cop there is one good cop and internal affairs officers to police the police. I live in a small town and I planned it that way. I grew up in a big city and found myself in bad positions with police as a youth. Whenever you have a powerful position you have the risk of being power-hungry, only those who do it out of community survive and you would be suprised by how many ppl don't make it one week in police academy- they wash out. I think that public distrust of ALL police is a main reason why you get cops with attitudes. They deal with hate everyday, I think after 5+ years of that would turn anyone into a dick.

[tracky]

Does anyone want to buy some weed? PM me

[The Notorious LOL]

The reason I asked is you stated my "lack of knowledge" on the cultural differences is to blame on media, but your knowledge on US culture is because of the media. Odds are we probably read the same sites and I am definetly not the type of individual who takes one story at face value because CNNBCBS told me so. Perception on either side of the fence is based solely on what is reported, or rather, what you choose to listen to.

I do not oppose gun control, I am for it. My statement regarding idealistic hippie bullshit was in reference to a self governing system compiled of neighborhoods watching out for themselves. While it may be true that cops dont carry guns, the number of firearms in the United Kingdom is far less than it is in the States so the odds that a criminal would be carrying a gun themselves is significantly lower. However, that is not based off of a few neighborhoods controlling their own territory. It is based off the laws on gun control in the United Kingdom which contrary to what you may or may not think, are much stricter than the states. Yes, shotgun ownership is lenient but it is here, and the majority of violent crimes that take place are not carried out with rifles. Its a slow, cumbersome gun.

http://www.cityrating.com/citycrime.asp?city=Minneapolis&state=MN



On the whole, Minneapolis is a violent city. It is more violent per capita than even New York City. Yet, I do not face a very real risk of being gunned down in the streets. I have never met someone who was shot, or robbed with a firearm. My brothers roommate was robbed at knifepoint several years ago. That is, of course, anecdotal and a lot of it comes with the territory of lifestyle. People who live criminal lifestyles are the victims of crime.

[ericlee]

I think that anyone who's influenced to become a cop should be a corrections officer in a medium to maximum security prison.

Let them do shakedowns on the inmates that were just swinging a little pot one too many times so they can see the effects of the families. Let them see all the pictures of their kids and wifes but the inmates can't see them for a long time because some macho cop just had to get his quota.

Sure, it's illegal to sell pot and some people belong nowhere but in prison and to be a cop, you need to make judgement calls at the first glimpse of a person and if you're not capable of doing that then you shouldn't be a cop.

[jlees_mcsd]

I think that anyone who's influenced to become a cop should be a corrections officer in a medium to maximum security prison.

Let them do shakedowns on the inmates that were just swinging a little pot one too many times so they can see the effects of the families. Let them see all the pictures of their kids and wifes but the inmates can't see them for a long time because some macho cop just had to get his quota.

Sure, it's illegal to sell pot and some people belong nowhere but in prison and to be a cop, you need to make judgement calls at the first glimpse of a person and if you're not capable of doing that then you shouldn't be a cop.

Silly man
Judges sentence ppl and Prosocuting Attorneys suggest those sentences, police just enforce the laws set forth by congress who represents the poeple.
Cops don't put ppl in jail/prison ppl put ppl in jail/prison.

[ericlee]

Silly man
Judges sentence ppl and Prosocuting Attorneys suggest those sentences, police just enforce the laws set forth by congress who represents the poeple.
Cops don't put ppl in jail/prison ppl put ppl in jail/prison.

yeah but cops are the ones who put them in jail right? They should be able to overlook it so that it doesn't have to go to court. That is what I'm saying.

It happened to me. I was cruising with my friends and we got pulled over, each of us having a quarter bag a piece. A bong in the car and two bowls. The cop asked if he can search the car and the driver- my friend denied him because of no warrent. Another cop was walking around the car, shining his flashlight inside and saw the bong.

One cop then searched my friend and pulled the a quarter bag from his pants and they took all of our weed.

They were finished and said we can go on our way. My friend asked if he can drive home and the cop said, "sure as long as you aren't too incoherent to drive".

That was it. We didn't hear anything about it. Maybe they smoked it after we left but who knows. All I know is that the cop was making a judgement call.

[jlees_mcsd]

yeah but cops are the ones who put them in jail right? They should be able to overlook it so that it doesn't have to go to court. That is what I'm saying.

It happened to me. I was cruising with my friends and we got pulled over, each of us having a quarter bag a piece. A bong in the car and two bowls. The cop asked if he can search the car and the driver- my friend denied him because of no warrent. Another cop was walking around the car, shining his flashlight inside and saw the bong.

One cop then searched my friend and pulled the a quarter bag from his pants and they took all of our weed.

They were finished and said we can go on our way. My friend asked if he can drive home and the cop said, "sure as long as you aren't too incoherent to drive".

That was it. We didn't hear anything about it. Maybe they smoked it after we left but who knows. All I know is that the cop was making a judgement call.


Well it seemed as though you got a cop in a good mood. You are lucky, but you were also in a situation where laws were being broken, police should up-hold the law not overlook it. I don't feel pity for ppl who knowingly BREAK the law. It shows disrespect for all of those who obey the law.
Alot of cops use personal judgement, I think that is where the breakdown of a 'good gone bad' starts.

[Ace42X]

The reason I asked is you stated my "lack of knowledge" on the cultural differences is to blame on media, but your knowledge on US culture is because of the media. Odds are we probably read the same sites and I am definetly not the type of individual who takes one story at face value because CNNBCBS told me so. Perception on either side of the fence is based solely on what is reported, or rather, what you choose to listen to.

The US media not only depicts, but is a depictment of its culture. By watching the US media, I see what America sees, but I also see how it sees itself. I can watch the US media externally as a discrete thing. So not only do I speak to Americans online, and see American news channels, but I also get to see US sitcoms, movies, etc etc - all the time every day.

A lot of our media is imported, thanks in no small way to Murdoch.

You, however, do not get to see much UK media. Very little of it travels the other way, and what UK media is exported to the US often is sanitised and "remade" for a US audience, for example the US version of The Office.

So, you see, no matter how shrewd you think yourself, you do not, and cannot, have access to the same amount of cultural material to analyse from the UK, as I do to analyse from the US.

I know what the US media is like, because I am bombarded with it day in day out from all directions. I very much doubt that you see a UK TV program even daily, let alone regularly on all channels.

My statement regarding idealistic hippie bullshit was in reference to a self governing system compiled of neighborhoods watching out for themselves.

It was not the first or only time you have used it, which is why I felt the need to bring you up on this marginalisation. It was not the specifics I was arguing with, but with how you chose to express it.

the number of firearms in the United Kingdom is far less than it is in the States so the odds that a criminal would be carrying a gun themselves is significantly lower.

Not really. There could be only one gun in the UK. If the UK's population was only one person, the odds of a criminal carrying a gun would be 100%. It is not the number of firearms, but the percentage of people who own a gun.

However, that is not based off of a few neighborhoods controlling their own territory.

It is based off "a load of hippie idealistic bullshit" - the principle that policemen shouldn't be armed with guns, despite them needing weapons to protect them against armed suspects.

It is based off the laws on gun control in the United Kingdom which contrary to what you may or may not think, are much stricter than the states. Yes, shotgun ownership is lenient but it is here, and the majority of violent crimes that take place are not carried out with rifles. Its a slow, cumbersome gun.

I picked shotgun because it is an example I was familiar with, and I could cite, first-hand. Since Dun Blaine in the late 90s, handguns have faced greater control, including a ban of sorts. However, if it was "the law" and not "the culture" - then by your argument shootings with hand-guns would've been at a much higher incidence before the ban than after. This is not the case, infact the incidence has gone up SINCE the ban (although this is only part of a trend of an increase in gun violence, rather than in any way a causal link).

There is no correlation between tightening laws and a change in the trend. What there is a correlation between is an escalation in US style gang-violence in inner cities (complete with gang colours, tagging, territory, and hip-hop urban culture) and an increase in gun-crime. A CULTURAL phenomenon. While I am not going to say hip-hop is to blaim, or anything equally reactionary, I do not think that it is coincidental that the growing similarity in culture has lead to a trend towards similar levels of gun-crime.

So yes, in some respects UK gun-law and control is stricter than in the US, but not in the way you are implying. It is not "harder" for an average citizen to own a gun - they just have a longer period to check it, have to keep a license, and have to ensure the gun is stored safely when not in use. None of this is a problem for a law-abiding citizen.

According to you, it is these things that mean the difference between a civil population who do not feel the need to tote guns around, and a population who will have their rifles "pried out of their cold dead hands."

This is of course ignoring the fact that "gun control laws" do not apply to illegal weapons used by the gangs who perform shootings. You do not "need" a license in order to keep an illegal weapon hidden on your personage.

So, again, according to your argument, that it is the gun control laws to blame and not the culture, simply extending the waiting period on guns, and instituting a gun license would automatically solve your society's gun problem.

Personally, I don't think so.

[jlees_mcsd]

You are having two debates at the same time and you are doing a great job. ;)

[ericlee]

Well it seemed as though you got a cop in a good mood. You are lucky, but you were also in a situation where laws were being broken, police should up-hold the law not overlook it. I don't feel pity for ppl who knowingly BREAK the law. It shows disrespect for all of those who obey the law.
Alot of cops use personal judgement, I think that is where the breakdown of a 'good gone bad' starts.

fuck the law when it comes to weed. Just because the government doesn't want to take the time to legalize it? They can legalize it if they want to.

There are some laws that shouldn't exist.

[Ace42X]

Damn straight. Bad laws were made to be broken. Look at Rosa Parks, or the draft.

[drizl]

cops cant just be robots who enforce laws, they have to develop their own perspectives and ideas and realise what is right and wrong. throwing people in jail for marijuana is fucking wrong. arresting grandmothers who use marijuana for medical purposes is fucking wrong. fuck those cops who do that. they are inconsiderate, insensitive stupid peice of shit motherfuckers.

let me clear my throat.

[Loppfessor]

This thread wasted like 30 seconds of my life that I'll never get back

[Qdrop]

i will never understand why Ace thinks he has a thorough understanding of American culture just because he watches alot of american TV and talks to americans on chatlines.

he's argued that point before.
baffling.

but if anyone claims to have an understanding of the british culture through the same means then, just like above, he claims you can't because you haven't seen as much BBC as he has NBC or something ridiculous like that.

i've seen plenty of BBC and talked to brits online.
i don't know shit about british culture...other than the shallow surface effect i get from watching Dr. Who, listening to the Rolling Stones, or watching Millions, About a Boy, and Love Actually.

[enree erzweglle]

we dont need all these cops. what we need are strong communities which police themselves. which dictate their own needs, actions etc... authority and government will only work when it is in the background, to be called upon when needed...to play a minor role in the lives of the people. not as a force of dumbheaded nimrods who want to arrest people because they can.You said a lot in the rest of your post and a lot of it is sort of over-generalized, I think. In any sort of system, breakdowns of order are inevitable--disorder will result. Entropy. So what you propose, to me, maybe will work in a sort of vacuum or in a utopia, but it can't be sustained long-term or in a widespread way.

if you are going to be a cop, be a good cop.

I agree with that if-then except I'd replace the word "cop" with any variable: If you're going to be an <n>, be a good <n>.

[Bob]

fuck the law when it comes to weed. Just because the government doesn't want to take the time to legalize it? They can legalize it if they want to.

There are some laws that shouldn't exist.

mmm. i like the MLK approach to civil disobedience. you can respect law as an institution, but still speak out against specific laws you find unjust. you break those laws in a big "look at me, look at how ridiculous it is that i'm getting arrested for this" display, but you accept the punishment for it, because you respect the existence of law. i guess that goes back to socrates, actually. i bet a similar approach could be used towards pot laws.

not me though, i'm busy

[Bob]

we don't make 'em, we just get paid to fuck you with 'em

[fucktopgirl]

I am not founded of cops and despised them intensely! THis is one of a career that evolve around powertrip and a lot of person who join this career are hungry to excerce it. SOme of you said that if good people would join this force , it might reverse the bad scent and perversion of this job and alterated the bad reputation that "pigs " haved or make a difference!

I really doubt it!

I think CORRUPTION will prevaled , always....
LAws are maked to make the system work(judiciary, jail...), it is a big game!

[jlees_mcsd]

I am not founded of cops and despised them intensely! THis is one of a career that evolve around powertrip and a lot of person who join this career are hungry to excerce it. SOme of you said that if good people would join this force , it might reverse the bad scent and perversion of this job and alterated the bad reputation that "pigs " haved or make a difference!

I really doubt it!

I think CORRUPTION will prevaled , always....
LAws are maked to make the system work(judiciary, jail...), it is a big game!
^^^^^^
So what I understand in your post is that no matter how moral and honest I am, by choosing to become a police officer I am still just a corrupt pig?
I beg to differ. I feel that if more ppl had my attitude about law enforcement, it wouldn't be a negative part of soceity. Maybe if more citizens RESPECTED these low-paid positions cops wouldn't cop an attitude.

*NEWS FLASH* not all cops are bad.

*NEWS FLASH* cops don't make the laws they enforce.<-------REPEAT

*NEWS FLASH* again as i said before drizl and ericlee when police officers pick and choose who and what to enforce that is where TRUE corruption starts. If you don't laws then you should contact your representatives in congress or whatever and let them know. Police have nothing to do with politics---> except for Sherriffs because they are elected. Any questions?

[enree erzweglle]

^^^^^^
So what I understand in your post is that no matter how moral and honest I am, by choosing to become a police officer I am still just a corrupt pig?
I beg to differ. I feel that if more ppl had my attitude about law enforcement, it wouldn't be a negative part of soceity. Maybe if more citizens RESPECTED these low-paid positions cops wouldn't cop an attitude.There is a subset of society that recognizes that while there are some problems in some police units or with individuals, those problems are perhaps isolated. Yet when they surface, they surface big-time--they are on the public's radar and those problems get spotlighted and a lot of people are reluctant to see the bigger picture.

I apologize that you have to deal with crap attitudes, generalizations, quick judgements about what you do and I respect and admire the decision that you made to be in law enforcement--especially considering that you're a woman. You must have challenges to overcome in lots of areas and facing them is unquestionably admirable.

[jlees_mcsd]

There is a subset of society that recognizes that while there are some problems in some police units or with individuals, those problems are perhaps isolated. Yet when they surface, they surface big-time--they are on the public's radar and those problems get spotlighted and a lot of people are reluctant to see the bigger picture.

I apologize that you have to deal with crap attitudes, generalizations, quick judgements about what you do and I respect and admire the decision that you made to be in law enforcement--especially considering that you're a woman. You must have challenges to overcome in lots of areas and facing them is unquestionably admirable.

Thank you Enree. If more ppl had your view this post wouldn't have gone past 1 page. I also find that ppl who disagree with laws, for whatever reason, do so because they partake in that activity and then say it is a violation of thier rights. I feel they are missing the fact that ppl who choose to enforce a law have very little to do with the enactment of it.

[enree erzweglle]

Thank you Enree. If more ppl had your view this post wouldn't have gone past 1 page. I also find that ppl who disagree with laws, for whatever reason, do so because they partake in that activity and then say it is a violation of thier rights. I feel they are missing the fact that ppl who choose to enforce a law have very little to do with the enactment of it.That's a good point.

I think sometimes people need or want to rebel and be all counter-culture. That makes some people feel cool and deep. Admiring and elevating some established thing is weak and wussy but knocking a thing down implies deepness and sophistication. Not everyone who does that does it for that reason, but some do and when they want to do that stuff, authority figures seem like a good place for a lot of them to start.

[jlees_mcsd]

That's a good point.

I think sometimes people need or want to rebel and be all counter-culture. That makes some people feel cool and deep. Admiring and elevating some established thing is weak and wussy but knocking a thing down implies deepness and sophistication. Not everyone who does that does it for that reason, but some do and when they want to do that stuff, authority figures seem like a good place for a lot of them to start.

I understand rebellion in human nature and the whole 'down with THE MAN' attitude that most ppl have for authority figures. I guess they don't fully understand that society without authority is self-destructive and illogical.
I really feel sorry for those who break the law and then blame the enforcers of the law for thier downfall.
It amazes me how far some ppl will go for justification of wrongdoing.

[fucktopgirl]

^^^^^^
So what I understand in your post is that no matter how moral and honest I am, by choosing to become a police officer I am still just a corrupt pig?
I beg to differ. I feel that if more ppl had my attitude about law enforcement, it wouldn't be a negative part of soceity. Maybe if more citizens RESPECTED these low-paid positions cops wouldn't cop an attitude.

Hey maybe you will be a good cop and make a small difference around you, my dad have a friend who was a cop in montreal, after a lot of years , he retreat himself and one of the reason was the lies and games played . He was a good one! And yesterday, 2 cops in bike watch my bike while i did go buy some tennis balls, some can be good:D

BUT in the end , like i said corruption will dominated your work place and if no, just let us know!
And if you are a cop , surely you will approved the laws being put on the table. So then what, you might beated people because of them so... MAybe you will not enacted the laws but will haved to make thoses ones respected in the population, even the stupid ones.


And

I am not sure about the idea that if cops where non existent cops chaos and anarchy would appear! Though one to answer! I mean they instigated fear among the civilians so therefore people act more on the low side and are more discret/ carefull but does it changed what is going on, what people do? Does it stop people being junky, prostitution....?

TOUgh one to say what is the real benefit of cop in our society nowadays!

[drizl]

i dont understand how you can become passionate about arresting people, putting yourself in danger, pulling people over, harrassing them, telling people what to do, forcing people what to do, taking things from them, writing them tickets, telling them that you are the authority, convinving yourself that you are the authority, eating dougnuts (i guess i can understand that one), directing traffic, pointing guns at people, seeing car accidents and dead babies and surrounding yourself with others who do the same. what kind of sick bastard actually enjoys that shit.

to love being a cop, you have to love being authority, you have to love the authority....you are the tool of those who are in power, the one called upon to break up the demonstration, to arrest the non-compliant, to restrict the freedoms of people.

do you really think that we are on this earth to be policed? are we not born with the right to act upon our own free will and judgement and not have anyone take that away from us?

cops were invented to control the people....its not about protecting the people. go ahead convince yourself that you are doing good, that cops are doing good. and as shit gets more crazy in the world, good luck trying to maintain that false sense of empowered authority. power to the people

[enree erzweglle]

That's just way over the top. I guess it's an extremist point of view and I don't usually go there and even if I did [go there] I don't have time or the inclination to point/counterpoint all of that ^^^ all things considered.

[hardnox71]

but in my area of suburban chicago all the cops do is harass people.
Where are you?

[drizl]

northwest...

[Bob]

i remember on another message board i post at, there was a retired chicago cop telling stories about his career. it was pretty insightful, his main thing was that everybody has an ethical line, and it's not static. even if you go in thinking that you're going to be a good cop, and you're going to do everything by the book, and fuck the corruption, at least i'm a good guy, eventually you'll find yourself pushing the line back further and further. you start out with good intentions, then you realize everyone around you is at least a little corrupt, and if you're too pure, then you draw attention to yourself, and you get in trouble. so you push the line back just a little, in order to fit in. you know, you take a bribe here and there. the longer you stay in, the further it goes.

it's been a while since i've read it, but it was interesting.

[hardnox71]

northwest...
OK, that really doesn't tell me shit. Let me get specific.......

what fucking suburb of Chicago are you in?

[befsquire]

I really feel sorry for those who break the law and then blame the enforcers of the law for thier downfall.
It amazes me how far some ppl will go for justification of wrongdoing.
i blame LEOs for taking a few liberties they aren't entitled to under the constitution, and then when they realize their mistake, they lie to make the arrest legit.

oh, i'm sorry. they don't lie. they "supplement" their testimony. just like they "redirect" or "escort" a person to the ground. why, one gracious officer "controlled the defendant's fall." my hero.

[hardnox71]

i blame LEOs for taking a few liberties they aren't entitled to under the constitution, and then when they realize their mistake, they lie to make the arrest legit.

oh, i'm sorry. they don't lie. they "supplement" their testimony. just like they "redirect" or "escort" a person to the ground. why, one gracious officer "controlled the defendant's fall." my hero.
That reminds me of a joke.........

How many Chicago cops does it take to push a suspect down the stairs?


















None. He fell.

[Lex Diamonds]

Funny you should say this, as I'm doing work experience with the Metropolitan Police this week. Sure, a lot of the cops on the street are pricks but this is because they aren't likeable enough to get promoted into better things. One of them explained it to me like this: there are so many Police that it's like humanity in general, of course you're going to have some who are racist, homophobic, ageist, sexist, cunts, etc.

But with the the cops that aren't stuck out on the street arresting people for littering or graffiti or whatever else those dickheads do to get a power-hardon, a lot of them are pretty cool, with good senses of humour. Plus they get the cool badge and can do the flippy-wallet thing. Not to mention getting paid to beat up idiots, and the nice fat pension. I'm considering it as a secure career path after I fuck up my education and I'm 30 and in a dead end job.

But I still hate pigs. (y)

[Lex Diamonds]

LOL, I said power-hardon. :D (y)

[Randetica]

did i ever mention that my dad is a gay cop?

probably did..

[Lex Diamonds]

In German do you call cops pigs? Cuz then you could call him a "SchwulSchwein". Wouldn't that be awesome?

[Randetica]

we call everyone and everything a schwules schwein (y)

[Lex Diamonds]

Aber Klar! Naturlich! Sicher! usw

ps
Mannfleisch lol

[Randetica]

yeah mannfleisch lol and mannmilch lol

[bigblu89]

SO, this is just one big thread about legalizing pot, right?

A police-less system would never work.

Didn't you guys see RoboCop 1?

[jlees_mcsd]

SO, this is just one big thread about legalizing pot, right?

A police-less system would never work.

Didn't you guys see RoboCop 1?

I have found myself having to defend my career choice to a crowd that would rather see me hanged and fed to lions. I think it is unfair to judge.

[like2_drink]

Not at all. 14 year olds can legally own shotguns. It is a cultural thing - watch Bowling for Columbine and see.

My point was that, much of which you marginalise as "idealistic hippie bullshit" has a signficant positive effect on a society. Many of the things that make the UK vastly superior to the US would be decried as "idealistic hippie bullshit" by the voting majority of your countrymen.


as of now this part had tripped me out the most, do you guys get fined for petty shit like open liquor? or is it just better compared to the fucked up gun control of america..it could sound amazingly better and i would want ot move that way or just better in the way of people not murdering people..that hippy bullshit part was brilliant. if not..call me high or i'm going to europe

[like2_drink]

police are more or less that way here too i think..fuck the ticket.

[drizl]

id say 5 % of the time, police are doing something good and worthwile for the people. the other 95% they are harassing people.

[drizl]

FOR EXAMPLE:
a cop just told me on a message board that i shouldnt post about hash. lol

[Ace42X]

14 year olds, or in fact anyone cannot easily own a shotgun. It's not anyone's right in the UK to own a gun at all, you can, but there are really strict rules about it, and you actually need to have a use for a gun.

To put this into perspective, it is not everyone's right to drive a car. You require testing, a license, etc etc. While you might argue it is not "easily" achieved, I'd still point at the vast number of otherwise stupid and untalented people who own drivers licenses and say "maybe your definition of 'easily' and mine differ."

[jlees_mcsd]

FOR EXAMPLE:
a cop just told me on a message board that i shouldnt post about hash. lol

I'm not a police officer yet and I just said there are some things you should keep to yourself.
Quote------>
1. Drugs
2. Sex
3. Any bodily function.

Certainly you exaggerate a little when you use statistics. 5/95 that is bullshit.

[YoungRemy]

SO, this is just one big thread about legalizing pot, right?



BINGO


its illegal, so you best do it in your own home or dont get caught...

[drizl]

legal this and legal that. who really has a right to tell you what is okay and what is not. especially when those that do are some of the biggest assholes in the world.
fuck authority

[ericlee]

some laws do serve a purpose but I'll never see the sense of keeping pot illegal when alcohol is legal. Too many good people are going down just because they like to smoke a little and it's getting old. They seriously need to do something about it.

[BangkokB]

Amerika is fucked. It's a police state

I was in a taxi trying to buy some opium a few years back. One guy first tried to sell me crank~but I'm too tightly wound for that as is. Next, he buys me a nickel bag of pot and ws trying to pass this as a $25 bag. That didn't settle too well with me and I told him to go service himself and tried to leave the taxi w/o paying. He called the police and one showed up. I was hammered so I put my cards on the table and told him the skinny. The cop made me pay for it but wouldn't let me have my weed.

But get this: He gave me a ride home on the back of his motorcycle.

Imagine that happening anywhere in the West.

[FearandLoathing]

*NEWS FLASH* cops don't make the laws they enforce.<-------REPEAT

I think the original argument was, well...shit, but if cops don't agree with the law, then they shouldn't go for a job that has them enforcing it anyway. I mean, you didn't make the law- but if you're a cop, you agree with it, don't you? You can't say 'I only enforce the law because I'm paid to', because you made a value judgment when you became cop (or before then).

[drizl]

cops are stupid. i heard that in oakland, all you need is a G.E.D. to be a cop.

ALL the cops i have ever known were assholes. even my uncles. is that some sort of job requirement or something?

[drizl]

im sorry, but this is sort of theraputic for me:rolleyes:

[hardnox71]

See next post.

[hardnox71]

The police department (nationwide) is the biggest gang on the fucking street, plain and simple.They do whatever the fuck they want and they recreate situations and incidents in their favor.

Something happened to me about a month and a half ago involving the police (anybody suprised?). I didn't post about it because I figure that everyone is as tired of reading about that shit as I am posting about it. It's old, I know, but this is the shit that happens to me. I'll make it quick.

About three months ago I was walking down the street with a friend of mine and the undercovers rolled up on us 'cause they thought I was rolling a joint (it was a cigarette and I posted a thread about this.) Anyway, about three weeks later those same three fuckers see me walking down the street one night. So they decide to follow me. Reason being: one of them knows me from and incident that took place in March of 2005. Won't go into details about that but let's just say he knows who I am. These pissant motherfuckers follow me for nine blocks only I don't know this at the time. I walk into a Walgreens (store/pharmacy) and talked to the store manager about their selection of electric toothbrushes. Didn't have anything I liked so I left. When I walked out of the fucking store the dickhead from last year's case was standing off to the side, grabbed me, and threw me up against the wall. The other two come screeching around the corner all NYPD Blue and shit. People are looking like, "What the fuck did that guy do?" It was fucking embarrassing.

The one guy starts to cuff me (after going through my pockets and throwing most of my shit out onto the sidewalk). I ask why the fuck I'm being arrested. Dipshit says, "You're not allowed to be in that store." I said, "What?" He says, "They don't want you in there. You were told not to come into their store." I said, "They never told me that shit and you know it." He says, "I just went in and talked to the manager and he said he didn't want you in there." I said, "Oh, yeah? Well I just stood in aisle 4 and talked to him for five minutes about their shitty selection of electric toothbruses and guess what? He didn't say shit to me about being in his store. You're making this shit up." He says, "You're right."

I was arrested for criminal trespassing. Misdemeanor. It was a bullshit case that was dismissed at the court date because the complainant (store manager according to the police report) never showed up. That guy probably doesn't even know his name was in a fucking police report. The cops put that case on me just to give me a hard time. But that's not the worst of it.

These cops, specifically one of them, tell me in very clear, easy to understand words that they are going to arrest me every single fucking time they see me. They know I have a record and was on probation and all that shit. They know that with my background, if I catch a serious case I will go the penitentiary for a while. So one of them tells me, and I quote word for fucking word, "The next time I see you I'm locking you up. And when I pat you down and go through your pockets I'm gonna mysteriously find a bag of heroin. I'm gonna send you to the joint for a couple of years so I don't have to look at your fucking ass anymore. Stay the fuck outta my district!"

Every single word of this is true.

I really hate cops. They have far too much authority over other people.

[DustSucker]

^ shit dude, wtf did you do to that cop to piss him off like that? :eek:

You should try to sue them for harrasment or something (don't know the american law exactly). but it's way better to have him behind bars than you. Imagine life in the joint when you were a cop outside, he'll get torn up in there.

[hardnox71]

^ shit dude, wtf did you do to that cop to piss him off like that? :eek:

You should try to sue them for harrasment or something (don't know the american law exactly). but it's way better to have him behind bars than you. Imagine life in the joint when you were a cop outside, he'll get torn up in there.
I didn't do anything to him. He's just a crooked fucking cop.


If I brought a lawsuit against this guy I would be laughed out of the courtroom. I am an ex-gangbanger with a criminal arrest record. He's a fucking Chicago cop. It's my word against his and who do you think they're gonna believe? On top of that, I have no witnesses. The only two other people that saw and heard what happened in the back of that undrecover car were the other two cops sitting in the front seat and they're gonna back up whatever the fuck he says.

A lawsuit would be a complete waste of time. I have absolutely no fucking legs to stand on. I know this and worst of all, they know this. They know that they can do this kind of shit and get away with it scot free. No worries and no repercussions. Why? All the reasons I just stated. They figure, "I'm a cop and you're a criminal. Who the fuck is gonna believe you?"

And they're right.

edit-Here in America, when a cop goes to the joint, he's put in solitary confinement.

[DustSucker]

That's true fucked up shit dude (n) I hope you find a way to get that guy off your back one way or the other.

Cops in Holland are tame as can be. All they have is their flashlight and their badge. Most of them don't even do shit when you're blazing and drinking out on the street, just tell you to throw away the beer and the weed.

Then again, my town is a dot compared to any American city. There are more fines for speeding and riding a bicycle at night without proper lights than anything else.

[hardnox71]

That's true fucked up shit dude (n) I hope you find a way to get that guy off your back one way or the other.

I really hate to say this, Dusty, 'cause the last thing in the world I am is a quitter. I don't give up easily but sometimes you have to realize when you are up against a no win situation. That's exactly what this is. I will never win against this guy. The only thing I can do is try to stay the fuck outta his way. It kills me that I have no recourse but that's it. That's all I can do.

[DustSucker]

Well, if it's the only wise thing to choose from, it doesn't make you a real quitter. Hang in there, someday he'll suffer.


I love quoting Ed Gein, their lyrics are always straight to the point:

You Suck At Life...And I'm Not Talking About The Board Game
You want to see me fail. You want to pump my dreams full of lead
and put their blood soaked corpses on public display with a sign
around their neck that says "This is what happens when you dont do
things our way." But your ways aren't for me. And when you realize
you have wasted your life away I'll be there, ready to hang a sign
around your neck that says "I suck at life."

[jackrock]

Hardnox: That fucking pisses me off.

My encounters with the coppers have been limited, but pleasant. Just throwin' that out there. Oh and... does anyone smell... bacon? :D jk

[QueenAdrock]

I saw this clip and it really pissed me off and decided it probably belongs in this thread.

http://ebaumsworld.com/2006/07/copfired.html

[drizl]

QA- of course, she is a black woman. reminds me of michael moores bowling for columbine with all the footage of cops and real tv shit where it shows black people getting busted all the time.

hardnox- sorry to hear about that- seriously fucked up.

[Lex Diamonds]

I think I can say (despite my limited knowledge of other forces) that the Metropolitan Police are some of the most lenient and generally chilled police in the world. They aint so bad. Surrey Police are cuntbags, though.

[hardnox71]

I saw this clip and it really pissed me off and decided it probably belongs in this thread.

http://ebaumsworld.com/2006/07/copfired.html
Yeah, I've seen this before. Absolutely un-fucking-real.:rolleyes:


QA- of course, she is a black woman. reminds me of michael moores bowling for columbine with all the footage of cops and real tv shit where it shows black people getting busted all the time.

Yeah, but this thing with me and these undercovers in Lincoln Park is not racial. One of them is a big fat black dude. Me and my friend call the fat one 'Jiggets'. There is a sportscaster here in Chicago name Dan Jiggets. He used to play for the Bears. Well, this cop looks just like this fucking guy.

That's the one that said he was gonna give a drug case.