FUCK ALL YOUR RELIGIONS!!

[Ally Al]

I for one am sick to death of all these bullshit wars over religion!!! I've had enough. I'm sick and tired of being scared about the the type of world my sons are growing up in, and i'm sick of wondering if they'll even have a chance to grow up before some religious fucking lunatic decides game over. Fuck all you religious types who try and tell me and mine how to live my life, who are you to judge me ? FUCK YOU !! Sick of opening up newspapers and seeing dead children, muslim, jew whatever!! it's still heartbreaking. Just because some of our views are slighty different, that shouldn't mean fuck all, we're all human beings regardless of colour or creed, live and fucking let live. Ain't nothin' but a party y'all. let's get it on (c) george clinton

rant over

[QueenAdrock]

Fuck all you religious types

who are you to judge me

Just wanted to point out the irony.

Either way, I don't know who you're yelling at because there aren't many uber religious types here. Maybe this belongs in political discussion? You can at least yell at racerstang there.

[Ally Al]

Just wanted to point out the irony.

Either way, I don't know who you're yelling at because there aren't many uber religious types here. Maybe this belongs in political discussion? You can at least yell at racerstang there.

where's the irony ?

this should be a part of GD, or is politics and religion the same thing these days ? My only concern is my children. i'm "yelling" because i'm fucked off. Would you prefer it if i said my hairstyle wasn't right today or i chipped a nail ? Would that be a preferable discussion ?

[Ally Al]

i'm just sick of the way everything we live and work for is held in the balance. I wasn't attacking anybody here on these boards. Thats just emo bullshit, my point is I have two young children and when i watch the news all i see is hate and war, and how people don't give a shit about anything but themselves and thier own beliefs and that saddens me. All down to fucking religion, and oil of course.

[Dorothy Wood]

YOU ARE TOTALLY AN AWESOME REBEL YEAH!

[Justin]

I think religion is thought of as a part of politics in some places oversees.

Here in the US, we would be totally screwed if that was the case.

[enree erzweglle]

Fuck all you religious types who try and tell me and mine how to live my life, who are you to judge me ? FUCK YOU !!This attitude, though I understand it in lots of different contexts, is the sort that spawns the religious-based disagreements and hostilities.

You later say: when i watch the news all i see is hate and war, and how people don't give a shit about anything but themselves and thier own beliefs and right there, you seem to be contradicting your own points a bit? You want people not to have religious-based conflicts and you want them to not force their beliefs around and I understand that, but that's your belief, not theirs, and you can't force that on anyone.

The weird kind of irony is that your anger about not wanting to be a nation that's infused with hate and fear is a pure form of anger in and of itself and it, to me, sounds like it could brim right over and into the sort of actionable, hate-filled anger that you're protesting. Know what I mean? And I am sorry if that sounds harsh. Truly. The point is that it's got to be about acceptance and tolerance and understanding, even when that means stretching yourself to the absolute limits of trying to understand even a little bit about the awful things that other people do and the ignorant hate that they sustain.

So you've maybe got to change some of that up a bit. Get what I'm saying? Because it's been a terribly hard day and I have a feeling that I'm not making my point well.

I do share your fears about that hate and its blindness, and the misery. I maybe just don't share the next point in your argument. I especially am concerned about the hate because it is so pervasive and it eats up much of the good. But the solution, in my mind, is to not try to shut down anyone's beliefs but to keep trying to reinforce tolerance and patience and learning. There's lots of paths to the same end and not enough people accept that even a little--but I think when they start to, then the tolerance will start building and that in turn will start smothering out the hate. It's got to be about that--any other approach is just going to further it, strengthen it, cause more hostilities and resentments, and teach even more generations the futile and absolute wrong ways to go about this.

[enree erzweglle]

I think religion is thought of as a part of politics in some places oversees.

Here in the US, we would be totally screwed if that was the case.Right. In Iraq, for instance, the sort of democracy that we have in place here (with the separation of church/state) would just not work there because so much of their religious beliefs are infused with the very basics of their lives; their lives are a hybrid of religious laws and social laws. It's a terribly blurred line.

Something I read recently spoke to this point, about how democracy or whatever government comes to Iraq next must be conceived in Iraq and conceived by Iraqis. We can't expect what works here to work there because it just won't, it's got to be an indigenous sort of a solution.

[QueenAdrock]

where's the irony ?

Well, you say they shouldn't judge you, but you're grouping religious types together and judging them. Not everyone's the same. I know some extremely religious types who are very, very sweet and caring. I understand saying the radical fundamentalist evangelicals should not shove their ideology down other peoples' throats (since I absolutely feel the same way - I don't press my religious ideas on them as long as they have the common courtesy not to do the same to me), however you just said "religious types" which is a completely different category altogether.

[QueenAdrock]

All down to fucking religion, and oil of course.

Yeah, I agree with that. And it really bothers me because religion is supposed to be a beautiful thing, and is supposed to keep people in line and tell them that if they want to get into heaven they need to love thy neighbor and all that bullshit, but people make concessions, saying that God/Allah/Yahweh/whoever wants them to fight for their land which I think is crap.

I don't agree with many religious aspects. I think that if you're a good person and try to keep the peace and lead a good life, you've covered your ass for any sort of afterlife that may await you. I know if there is a heaven, these stubborn buttholes ain't gettin' in. An eye for the eye will make the whole world blind, and such.

[Randetica]

religions nothing but trouble!

ill leave mine
and plan to stay religion free for the rest of my life
cause?
because i can!

[Ally Al]

my rant was to do with fanatics really, my god is better than your god. I don't really have a problem with all religions, buddhists seem nice. Red wine, late night and internet message boards, great mix :(

oh and dorothy wood, you're the real rebel. Talking shit about your friends on here and having to change your user name, wow, thats like so cool

[DandyFop]

I feel pretty fortunate to live in a place where I'm not persecuted daily for not believing in religion. Obviously there are plenty of religious bigots in the U.S., yes, but it's a little hard to compare our country to the extremely hardcore countries that are currently at the forefront of warring.

[Ally Al]

I see exactly what you are talking about. Sometimes I don't even read the news or watch it because it is the same bombing, fighting and bullshit all day long.


you're totally right

there's very little good going on and it's sad i think. There was picture in the paper yesterday of a dead little girl killed by an israeli plane, it was fucking horrible

[Ally Al]

I feel pretty fortunate to live in a place where I'm not persecuted daily for not believing in religion. Obviously there are plenty of religious bigots in the U.S., yes, but it's a little hard to compare our country to the extremely hardcore countries that are currently at the forefront of warring.


our countries play their part in it though don't they DF. I wasn't comparing our way of lives but i think ultimately the way it's going there at the moment it will effect us all

[Ally Al]

This attitude, though I understand it in lots of different contexts, is the sort that spawns the religious-based disagreements and hostilities.

You later say: and right there, you seem to be contradicting your own points a bit? You want people not to have religious-based conflicts and you want them to not force their beliefs around and I understand that, but that's your belief, not theirs, and you can't force that on anyone.

The weird kind of irony is that your anger about not wanting to be a nation that's infused with hate and fear is a pure form of anger in and of itself and it, to me, sounds like it could brim right over and into the sort of actionable, hate-filled anger that you're protesting. Know what I mean? And I am sorry if that sounds harsh. Truly. The point is that it's got to be about acceptance and tolerance and understanding, even when that means stretching yourself to the absolute limits of trying to understand even a little bit about the awful things that other people do and the ignorant hate that they sustain.

So you've maybe got to change some of that up a bit. Get what I'm saying? Because it's been a terribly hard day and I have a feeling that I'm not making my point well.

I do share your fears about that hate and its blindness, and the misery. I maybe just don't share the next point in your argument. I especially am concerned about the hate because it is so pervasive and it eats up much of the good. But the solution, in my mind, is to not try to shut down anyone's beliefs but to keep trying to reinforce tolerance and patience and learning. There's lots of paths to the same end and not enough people accept that even a little--but I think when they start to, then the tolerance will start building and that in turn will start smothering out the hate. It's got to be about that--any other approach is just going to further it, strengthen it, cause more hostilities and resentments, and teach even more generations the futile and absolute wrong ways to go about this.


i did contradict myself, you're right, but you know, we all do that sometimes. It wasn't a rational well thought out post, just something i was feeling at the time and the computer was on

[Kid Presentable]

Yeah Ally I hate the idea that god nuts are going to fuck up the world that kids will grow up in. And I consider a number of people on this board freakishly pious for such young, free spirits.

[Planetary]

i agree. mo' religion mo' problems.

[Kid Presentable]

I feel pretty fortunate to live in a place where I'm not persecuted daily for not believing in religion. Obviously there are plenty of religious bigots in the U.S., yes, but it's a little hard to compare our country to the extremely hardcore countries that are currently at the forefront of warring.
Truth be told, your country is one of those countries. And you're from Utah, that's like a microcosm of corporate jesus-freaks. Not to lump you in with them, just saying, America spreads hate through religion just fine.

[Ace42X]

I for one am sick to death of all these bullshit wars over religion!

Wars are seldom fought over religion, religion is merely used as a justification. A political tool. If there were no religions, there would still be war, and still feeble excuses to try and legitimise it.

[ms.peachy]

I think religion is thought of as a part of politics in some places oversees.

Here in the US, we would be totally screwed if that was the case.
Uh, son... I got news for ya....

[Ally Al]

Yeah Ally I hate the idea that god nuts are going to fuck up the world that kids will grow up in. And I consider a number of people on this board freakishly pious for such young, free spirits.

right on KP

also check your inbox in about five minutes for some weekend goodness

[Ally Al]

i agree. mo' religion mo' problems.

i reckon we've got a hit on our hands there P, just don some gold suits, sample some diana ross, mumble some ryhmes and BAM!!

[icy manipulator]

i think if every nation in the world played cricket there'd be no holy wars. i'd say the only 2 muslim countries we truly get along with are Pakistan and Sri Lanka. i'd feel totally safe going there for a holiday. and why is this you wonder? simple, they're cricket playing nations. the UN should have an anthem, 10cc's Dreadlock Holiday. "i dont like cricket, oh no, i love it!"

there, simple answer to the world's problems. no more holy wars if everyone gets into cricket

[Ally Al]

i like your thinking

make 456 for 2 not war

[marsdaddy]

Here in the US, we would be totally screwed if that was the case.Religion has generally been used as a tool for the powerful to manage the masses.
Uh, son... I got news for ya....What's wrong with a few evangelicals in innocuous positions of power running a country?

What's really scary is the US attitude that we're safe because of the separation of church and state. I imagine, if nothing else, the US paper money and pledge of allegiance demonstrate otherwise to the rest of the world.

PS. Where's Paul Revere when you need him? "Born again Christians are running the US."

[icy manipulator]

i like your thinking

make 456 for 2 not war
hahahaha, oh yeah (y)

[Kid Presentable]

right on KP

also check your inbox in about five minutes for some weekend goodness
Cheers Al. 'Skip to their loops' is the square root of 'Donuts'. I like it.(y)

Anyway, my father-in-law is Lebanese, and all of his family are in Beirut. He's mad depressed because bombs are dropping around his loved ones. And I hear good christian folks saying "Well, as long as it's not happening here, let them blow each other up!".

[Kid Presentable]

Awesome, now it's Op. Doomsday.

[Ally Al]

Awesome, now it's Op. Doomsday.


the last two i like a lot, the ones Pete Rock used for T.R.O.Y.

[Ally Al]

Cheers Al. 'Skip to their loops' is the square root of 'Donuts'. I like it.(y)

I have a file with all the tracks sampled for donuts if you're interested ? Speaking of Dilla, have you heard the shining yet ? Fuck me thats heat


Anyway, my father-in-law is Lebanese, and all of his family are in Beirut. He's mad depressed because bombs are dropping around his loved ones. And I hear good christian folks saying "Well, as long as it's not happening here, let them blow each other up!".


it's fucked up mate :mad:

[Kid Presentable]

A regular at work said "all those cunts want to do is fight, fuckin let them!". Heard the same dude outraged about Bali bombings. Australians can be some head-up-arse motherfuckers when they want to be.

[Ace42X]

A regular at work said "all those cunts want to do is fight, fuckin let them!". Heard the same dude outraged about Bali bombings. Australians can be some head-up-arse motherfuckers when they want to be.

It is global. Reactionary people often have knee-jerk reactions to issues too big for them to consider, and too remote for them to invest intellectual time in. Sad, and it is part of what I speak out against, but whatcha gonna do, eh?

[Ally Al]

state of the world dude unfortunately

[Kid Presentable]

It is global. Reactionary people often have knee-jerk reactions to issues too big for them to consider, and too remote for them to invest intellectual time in. Sad, and it is part of what I speak out against, but whatcha gonna do, eh?
And these are real fucking pod-people. Like they came out of the mold, but didn't quite reach the minimum requirements to do something with their lives.

Ah fuck it.

[kaiser soze]

Jesus hates this thread :(

[Kid Presentable]

Jesus hates this thread :(
Jesus can fucking cram it until he comes back to explain all this.

[Planetary]

i reckon we've got a hit on our hands there P, just don some gold suits, sample some diana ross, mumble some ryhmes and BAM!!

done.

[Dorothy Wood]

oh and dorothy wood, you're the real rebel. Talking shit about your friends on here and having to change your user name, wow, thats like so cool

I know. :cool:

[jennyb]

I'm honestly down with Ally Al's original post. And overanalyzing what was said, saying it's hypocritical or whatever is a waste of internet space in my opinion. It was a legitimate rant on peace with hostile overtones for right and just reasons.

"CAN'T WE ALL JUST GET ALONG?" for fuck's sake already people... such a simple concept that many cannot grasp :(

[Ally Al]

done.

if we can get faith evans on the hook P, we're talking worldwide number 1 i reckon

[Ally Al]

I'm honestly down with Ally Al's original post. And overanalyzing what was said, saying it's hypocritical or whatever is a waste of internet space in my opinion. It was a legitimate rant on peace with hostile overtones for right and just reasons.

"CAN'T WE ALL JUST GET ALONG?" for fuck's sake already people... such a simple concept that many cannot grasp :(


EXACTLY, at last, someone who gets me

I love jennygirl in a totally platonic way

[Ally Al]

I know. :cool:


i know you know

[Ace42X]

"CAN'T WE ALL JUST GET ALONG?" for fuck's sake already people... such a simple concept that many cannot grasp :(

Especially when your way of expressing it is to say "fuck your deeply held personal convictions, exclamation mark, exclamation mark."

[enree erzweglle]

"CAN'T WE ALL JUST GET ALONG?"I'm not sure if you were addressing me in particular. But ^^^ was the bottom line in my response. If you read that far--I know that my posts are long. And I might not have made the point effectively.

[alexandra]

unicorns are badass.