American Hardcore

[DroppinScience]

I knew there was already a book (which I want to get!), but I was pleased to be informed by QueenAdrock that there's gonna be an "American Hardcore" movie.

Here's the trailer...

http://www.sonyclassics.com/americanhardcore/

God damn, this is gonna be awesome. Just like that documentary about the Minutemen ("We Jam Econo") was awesome (BTW, I really want that DVD).

You can thank me later :cool:

[Documad]

I hope it lives up to your expectations. I love documentaries and I love music, but I generally hate documentaries about music--especially if it's music I like. If it's music I don't understand, I can handle a documentary about it.

Documentaries about counter culture topics are worst of all. It's best if they just let the people who were there tell their own stories about their own little community. Whenever they bring in "experts" to explain the importance of the little community to some bigger universe, it always sucks. I sure hope they don't make those mistakes here. Husker Du has no greater importance. :rolleyes:

[QueenAdrock]

You can thank me later :cool:

Thank YOU later? I'LL FUCKIN' KILL YOU :mad:

[DroppinScience]

I hope it lives up to your expectations. I love documentaries and I love music, but I generally hate documentaries about music--especially if it's music I like. If it's music I don't understand, I can handle a documentary about it.

Documentaries about counter culture topics are worst of all. It's best if they just let the people who were there tell their own stories about their own little community. Whenever they bring in "experts" to explain the importance of the little community to some bigger universe, it always sucks. I sure hope they don't make those mistakes here. Husker Du has no greater importance. :rolleyes:

Did you watch the Minutemen documentary? That had a real "community" feel to it. I'm getting a similar impression for this "American Hardcore" documentary.

And I don't understand how you think Husker Du is of little importance. They practically laid down the foundation (whether knowingly or not) for '90s alternative, post-hardcore and emo. Nirvana and The Pixies would've been nowhere without Husker Du.

I know you think they're just a "local" band, but they're not.

[The Notorious LOL]

And I don't understand how you think Husker Du is of little importance. They practically laid down the foundation (whether knowingly or not) for '90s alternative, post-hardcore and emo. Nirvana and The Pixies would've been nowhere without Husker Du.





while its good that you appreciate music and enjoy learning about its history, when you use words and phrases like the statement above you sound like a total dork.

[DroppinScience]

But I can't help it... I AM a total dork. :(

[QueenAdrock]

It's true. Dork.

[alexandra]

gahh i really want to see this movie.

[Documad]

Did you watch the Minutemen documentary? That had a real "community" feel to it. I'm getting a similar impression for this "American Hardcore" documentary.
I put the Minutemen documentary near the top of my netflix queue because of your recommendation. So beware. :p

I'm not going to shit all over a movie I haven't seen yet. I'll see it with an open mind.

[long rant re husker du deleted :D]

[Documad]

Sometimes I should just shut up and not post. WTF?

[DroppinScience]

Dammit, I missed your rant about Husker Du. I wanna know what you said. Just give it to me in a sentence or two. :mad:

[DroppinScience]

Here's an interview with the director of "American Hardcore."

I'm really really excited to watch this movie. This is important musical heritage! (y)

http://www.skapunkandotherjunk.com/interview.php?iv=129

[Otis Driftwood]

Iggy Pop as punk, please.
I think in like 78 or something, you could count among punk bands Iggy as well as the Stranglers, Talking Heads, Blondie, Adam & the ants and The Pretenders as well as the Buzzcocks, Devo or the Undertones. It's just that a lot of them made very different music in the 80s...

[QueenAdrock]

There's a decent-sized article in today's edition of The Express (free daily paper provided by Washington Post) about American Hardcore. Apparently it's coming to one independent theater in the area (downtown) for only one week. Now, I don't really want to see it *that much* but I'm pretty sure it's not going to Edmonton so I have to see it for bragging rights.

[Rock]

yeah...its gonna be good. I'm going to go see it saturday most likely.

[b-grrrlie]

I'm gonna see a special viewing of this next week. It's gonna be shown at the Stockholm Filmfestival and the people working there (especially those selling tickets) get to see the films in advance so we can tell about the movies. There's also a video to borrow from the office, I always borrow the music stuff and tape for myself.... :rolleyes:

and all this is certified, I promised not to tell what's gonna be shown at the festival (before the program is released). Except we all know that AIFST is gonna be shown... and I've applied for the role of a host if Yauch comes over for Q&A's ...

[DroppinScience]

There's a decent-sized article in today's edition of The Express (free daily paper provided by Washington Post) about American Hardcore. Apparently it's coming to one independent theater in the area (downtown) for only one week. Now, I don't really want to see it *that much* but I'm pretty sure it's not going to Edmonton so I have to see it for bragging rights.

:mad:

It'll probably hit Edmonton eventually. If the Minutemen documentary (which was REAAAAAAAAAAAAALLY independent) can make it to Edmonton, I think the movie distributors can satiate our population's punk fans, too.

[QueenAdrock]

Either way, I'm seeing it tomorrow night.

Jealous? ;)



My friends and I were thinking of dressing up in business suits and putting our hair up. And golf clapping at the end. All the DC punks will probably spike us in the face with their bracelets, but I think it'll be funny.

Or, when we're coming out of the movie I'll be like THEY FALSE ADVERTISED! THEY SAID THAT WAS A MOVIE ABOUT PUNK MUSIC, BUT AVRIL LAVIGNE WASN'T EVEN IN IT! :cool:

[ggirlballa]

i saw the trailor for it a while back & thought "whoa! looks cool"

[Waus]

Do want!

[Documad]

I'm thinking about seeing it. It's gotten fairly good reviews. The one from our free paper (http://citypages.com/databank/27/1350/article14807.asp) was blah.

I still worry about the Henry Rollins factor.

[DroppinScience]

Either way, I'm seeing it tomorrow night.

Jealous? ;)



My friends and I were thinking of dressing up in business suits and putting our hair up. And golf clapping at the end. All the DC punks will probably spike us in the face with their bracelets, but I think it'll be funny.

Or, when we're coming out of the movie I'll be like THEY FALSE ADVERTISED! THEY SAID THAT WAS A MOVIE ABOUT PUNK MUSIC, BUT AVRIL LAVIGNE WASN'T EVEN IN IT! :cool:

The hell? You and your friends going to see "American Hardcore" and I'm not?? You guys haven't heard of many of those bands nor are you guys even fans. Totally unfair. :(

[DroppinScience]

I still worry about the Henry Rollins factor.

Explain. :confused:

[Documad]

Henry Rollins and his self-important commentaries ruin otherwise good movies. He is such a tool.

If I wait and see it on DVD I can fast forward.

[DroppinScience]

Henry Rollins and his self-important commentaries ruin otherwise good movies. He is such a tool.

If I wait and see it on DVD I can fast forward.

I beg to differ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZgSBhlw-o9E)

:D

[QueenAdrock]

The hell? You and your friends going to see "American Hardcore" and I'm not?? You guys haven't heard of many of those bands nor are you guys even fans. Totally unfair. :(

I like some punk. I heart Bad Religion. I've heard of most of the others. And Ashley likes punk, so does Chris.

And if you're going to be that way, then I'm not going to bootleg it nor save the article from the newspaper for your nerd collection. (!)

[QueenAdrock]

Good movie! They mentioned the Beastie Boys briefly (turns out their producer of their punk record was the same guy who produced Bad Brains). I knew the Beasties loved Bad Brains, but the producer said they loved them so much they wanted the same initals for their band (BB).

Anyways, a lot of stuff I didn't know, it was very interesting. I've pretty much come to the conclusion that the punk movement of the early 80's in America was a lot like Fight Club. During the day, people went about their everyday lives. At night, they'd all go to a warehouse and beat the living shit out of each other. And it was all built up frustration with the situations they were dealing with, and anger that was being released.

A lot of hardcore punk to me seems like it's more about energy and anger/frustration than it is about any kind of talent. A LOT of the hardcore songs in that movie sounded exactly alike to the next one. I'm not into hardcore so much. Bad Brains I kinda liked, also Negative FX, and another band from around California that I can't remember (I'm thinking the Reno area, but the only band I remember from there was 7 Seconds).

Either way, good movie. Go see. (y)

[Documad]

:( I didn't like it. I was psyched to see it but it was pretty bad.

When I see a movie about a subculture--any kind of subculture--I want to get a feeling about what it was like to be part of it. That's why I love documentaries so much. But good documentaries about subcultures are rare. I think the better ones are shot by someone who isn't too close to the subculture.

An example of a good documentary is Paris is Burning. I didn't care about crossdressers and I didn't care about vogueing, but I was fascinated to find out about how all these people lived and took care of each other and I've remembered that movie for about 10 years now.

An example of a mediocre documentary is the Dogtown one. It had great skateboarding footage and I loved hearing how they got started, but after that, it was just a bunch of old guys talking about how cool they used to be. And the thing is that truly cool people wouldn't do that.

This movie has the same problem. It's mostly clips of live performances that could be any group doing any song in front of any crowd (like Decline of Western Civilization), and there are the old guys talking about how cool they used to be. MTV would have done a better job.

They could have taught me something. There is so much I'd like to know. There were little moments that worked. They touched on how SST was broke but I'd love to find out more about how they ran it. The part where the guys explain about how they packaged their 7"s was funny. It would have been nice to know exactly how they put on their own shows. What was it like to be a fan? What was it like to be a roadie?

[b-grrrlie]

I just saw it as well. Looks like I've only known about handful of American punkbands (but then again there was an amazing punkscene in Finland in 78-83). It was a pre-screening for employers at the filmfestival, and the girl taking care of the machines lowered the sound extremely when the first band got on so I gotta go and see it at the cinema as well to get the proper feeling! And luckily I found Riistetyt (http://www.myspace.com/riistetyt) on My Space so I can blast my computer now! :D