Have the Beasties lost the midas touch?

[Disc-Jockey FH]

Don't get the wrong impression, I think these guys are up there with the Beatles and Elvis, their all time greats, they inspired me to DJ records. But the schtick has become a little exhausted and rehashed. The boys are reminding me of Muhammad Ali in the last years of his career, a great who doesn't have the speed or power he once had, a former champion who doesn't have the same magic anymore. I hope these guys keep keepn' on like the Stones, TT5B's was still better then any hip hop album besides Kanye's. I want to see these guys rally and pull a George Foreman, regaining the heavyweight belt again! Because they can't, they won't and they don't stop!

[wrongwayandugg]

TT5B's was still better then any hip hop album
right!
:)
besides Kanye's.
you lost me.
:(

[Disc-Jockey FH]

You think TT5B's was critically better then College Dropout?

[wrongwayandugg]

Yes, Kanye hasn't offered me anything new and different.

[Disc-Jockey FH]

Kanye had better production and was more poetic IMO, but at least the Beasties are less braggadocious then West's conceited ass...

[wrongwayandugg]

For me, it's a matter of pushing the creative envelope and making people think like Tupac. It seems like we, as an American society at least, so easily forgot the potential of music, let alone hip-hop music.

Now if Kanye made one of those whiney-ass, played-out, increased pitch sample beats for Beastie Boys, maybe we would see that Foreman comeback. ;)

At Meinekee, you won't pay a lot for a muffler. I guarantee it.

[Disc-Jockey FH]

Kanye charges too much for his beats, the boys need to dust off their old drum machines. Is Carrot Top on the juice? wtf

[wrongwayandugg]

Is Carrot Top on the juice? wtf

No comment.

[Disc-Jockey FH]

Vegas must be doin' things to Carrots noggin. lol

[wrongwayandugg]

I think Vegas does things to everybodys' noggins.

[Funkyfreshgrape]

Don't get the wrong impression, I think these guys are up there with the Beatles and Elvis, their all time greats, they inspired me to DJ records. But the schtick has become a little exhausted and rehashed. The boys are reminding me of Muhammad Ali in the last years of his career, a great who doesn't have the speed or power he once had, a former champion who doesn't have the same magic anymore. I hope these guys keep keepn' on like the Stones, TT5B's was still better then any hip hop album besides Kanye's. I want to see these guys rally and pull a George Foreman, regaining the heavyweight belt again! Because they can't, they won't and they don't stop!
it would be funny if they were like 60 and still doing shows and albums!

[Disc-Jockey FH]

Watchn' these guys do the weave in their 60's would be something to behold...

[enree erzweglle]

But the schtick has become a little exhausted and rehashed.[/B]Are you referring to their interview style--their bantering--or their performances on stage?

Each time I see them, I think about how it still seems fresh and spirited to them, how they still seem to enjoy one another's company. I get the sense that they'd hang out together even if they weren't who they are.

[Disc-Jockey FH]

All of the above...the check it out vid was a rehashing of sabatoge, they didn't reinvent the musical wheel on these last two albums, the more recent television performances have been uninspiring...they don't seem like the same guys that cut Pauls Boutique, Check Your Head and Ill Communication...

[Chicka B]

Ugh, whatever.

[Disc-Jockey FH]

Their still some dope mother phucers, but they've lost a step or two in their old age...

[balohna]

I think TT5B lacked that extra layer of polish that can be found on most of the other stuff they released. It was admittedly a rush job to get it out before the elections. They basically made beats on their computers and rhymed over them. The next album will probably be more robust.

Don't get me wrong though, TT5B is great and I actually listen to it quite regularly. PB, CYH, IC, and HN are all better though. LTI is on par.

[Lo_Lyfe]

they never had it, or at least fronted like they did. the reviews for most of their albums are pretty good, if you look around ( a lot), but not amazing. i think this midas touch is just a media generated opinion that filtered through to some mad impressionable fans, and it's what we have now. them being cultural icons, to musical gurus, doesn't come from normal fans, it starts with the media. my favourite thing about them is they just themselves, with or without the supposed 'midas touch'.

[Adrobin]

If we want more funky beats. I think bringing back Mario C would be a good place to start.

[Lo_Lyfe]

If we want more funky beats. I think bringing back Mario C would be a good place to start.
the musical portions of the scoop, some of finger lickin good, and negotiation limerick file are mario c's work. what would his return do for the beats? i feel you tho, i think his return would be interesting.

ultimately if you didn't like five boroughs, you could only blame the Beastie boys.

[Adrobin]

The rhymes in To The Five Boroughs were ten kinds of nasty. The Beats were just kinda choppy and not that great.

[Lo_Lyfe]

The rhymes in To The Five Boroughs were ten kinds of nasty. The Beats were just kinda choppy and not that great.

ultimately if you didn't like five boroughs, you could only blame the Beastie boys.

so you gotta think precisely how much differance mario c could make.

[Disc-Jockey FH]

They did rhyme the rhyme well, but TT5B could have been called some old BS part II...hopefully these funky jews and that zanny DJ from Frisco can make some magic on the next project...oh word...

[kleptomaniac]

man, why are you thinking about the beastie boys "losing their touch" instead of the whole picture and just everything they've done? let them do what they want and leave it alone :rolleyes:


and in my opinion, as well as a lot of others, they've still got it :cool:

bboys keep it on and on.... (y)

[balohna]

I don't get the whole media thing. I don't give a fuck what the media says, I listen to what I like. The Beastie Boys are my favourite band, the only competition they have is The Clash and Rage Against the Machine and I don't listen to them nearly as much. I hate some stuff that critics and the public love. Like U2.

[pshabi]

I think TT5B lacked that extra layer of polish that can be found on most of the other stuff they released. It was admittedly a rush job to get it out before the elections. They basically made beats on their computers and rhymed over them. The next album will probably be more robust.

Don't get me wrong though, TT5B is great and I actually listen to it quite regularly. PB, CYH, IC, and HN are all better though. LTI is on par.
Paging Mario Caldato...

[pshabi]

Beastie Boys on their worst day > Any other artist on their best day.

Print it!

[Justin]

Their still some dope mother phucers, but they've lost a step or two in their old age...


They havent lost anything.

How would you compare a live performance of kanye to that of the beastie boys?

[Lo_Lyfe]

They havent lost anything.

How would you compare a live performance of kanye to that of the beastie boys?
kanye's an amazing performer, even beastie boys would admit that. don't let your love blind ya.

[Disc-Jockey FH]

MCA gets pretty lethargic on stage at times...

[acamus]

they never had it, or at least fronted like they did. the reviews for most of their albums are pretty good, if you look around ( a lot), but not amazing. i think this midas touch is just a media generated opinion that filtered through to some mad impressionable fans, and it's what we have now. them being cultural icons, to musical gurus, doesn't come from normal fans, it starts with the media. my favourite thing about them is they just themselves, with or without the supposed 'midas touch'.

I've made comments to this effect elsewhere, so I want to make myself clear. I'm not saying that they set out to be taste makers or arbiters of cool, they definately just did what they liked, but the outcome has been an impact on music (think rapcore), hip hop (instumentals) and fashion (it happens everytime they're in the limelight) and law (Adock has said "sampling" is a term that came about from their first lawsuit) -- albeit unintended. Many times they were not the first to do what they did, but they did bring it to mainstream attention. Having said that, it's not an excuse to build up expectations that when a new album is dropped, if it doesn't accomplish some world-changing event that they are a failure. They can never be a failure since they are measured by their own desire to do what they want and it appears they've always done so.

[Lo_Lyfe]

MCA gets pretty lethargic on stage at times...
its not strictly lethargy, just relaxed. dude's forty.

[A.B.S.]

Don't get the wrong impression, I think these guys are up there with the Beatles and Elvis, their all time greats, they inspired me to DJ records. But the schtick has become a little exhausted and rehashed. The boys are reminding me of Muhammad Ali in the last years of his career, a great who doesn't have the speed or power he once had, a former champion who doesn't have the same magic anymore. I hope these guys keep keepn' on like the Stones, TT5B's was still better then any hip hop album besides Kanye's. I want to see these guys rally and pull a George Foreman, regaining the heavyweight belt again! Because they can't, they won't and they don't stop!


BESIDES KANYE?? kid you're crazy. i mean the last beastie album wasn't up to par but saying Kanye is doing anything new or "better" is crazy. damn what's wrong with the youth of today? i'm still laughin at everyone poppin their collars cause of that panzy. gaylords...

[Disc-Jockey FH]

I wouldn't mind seeing the Neptunes and the Boys gettn' high in the studio together. (But Pharrell doesn't do drugs) Does anyone recall Pharrell and Mike D chilln' together on the website about four-five years ago? It's back when Pharrell had no name and was sportn' fu manchus and trucker hats...lol

[Justin]

wellll..

who wants to take this one?

[Chicka B]

I think Pharrell interviewed Mike D and it was quite interesting.

[balohna]

If they just recruited a bunch of producers there could be an album out within a year. The thing is they like making music. Not just MCing, making music.

[Lo_Lyfe]

BESIDES KANYE?? kid you're crazy. i mean the last beastie album wasn't up to par but saying Kanye is doing anything new or "better" is crazy. damn what's wrong with the youth of today? i'm still laughin at everyone poppin their collars cause of that panzy. gaylords...
good luck with the rest of your life.

[Disc-Jockey FH]

You could live your whole life - and I hope you live long
On the gong show we won’t get gonged
We’re the beastie
boys - not cheech and chong

[Deep_Sea_Rain]

Kanye and the Beasties are both excellent hip hop acts, for sure. But two very different styles of hip hop....there's just no comparing the two.

[Lo_Lyfe]

Kanye and the Beasties are both excellent hip hop acts, for sure. But two very different styles of hip hop....there's just no comparing the two.
ye took a lot of influence from the boys, through sampling and whatnot.

[Disc-Jockey FH]

I would like to see DJ Shadow and the whole Beastie team put together a cut, I know Diamond did a track with em back in 98...

[Lo_Lyfe]

I would like to see DJ Shadow and the whole Beastie team put together a cut, I know Diamond did a track with em back in 98...
you mean that unkle joint?

i think they can do what they want and continue to do so. if i wanted to hear anything, it would be merging the many styles of production they've mastered, analog, reel-to-reel, 808's, sp1200s, laptops. space age boom bap.

[laurie_hammy]

The Beastie's lost there touch ? NO WAY. I think there still peakin. You crazy :confused:

[dave790]

have you seen the dvd? they're as good as ever.

[laurie_hammy]

have you seen the dvd? they're as good as ever.

My point exactly

[enree erzweglle]

MCA gets pretty lethargic on stage at times...its not strictly lethargy, just relaxed. dude's forty.
This is priceless. Like 40 is when you've got to start doing farina and talking hip replacement and high-dosing geritol. You don't even get an AARP card until you're what...50? :)

If Yauch sometimes appears to be [relatively] subdued on stage, I think it's unrelated to his age.

[Lo_Lyfe]

This is priceless. Like 40 is when you've got to start doing farina and talking hip replacement and high-dosing geritol. You don't even get an AARP card until you're what...50? :)

If Yauch sometimes appears to be [relatively] subdued on stage, I think it's unrelated to his age.
i think its related to goin buckwild in his youth, so it has something to do with his age. not bein old, just bein more level.

[enree erzweglle]

i think its related to goin buckwild in his youth, so it has something to do with his age. not bein old, just bein more level.Maybe he observes the crowd more so now than before--like he sees the energy and takes that in more so than before. I would do that as well--watch a side of people and a level of freneticism that you don't often see elsewhere.

[Lo_Lyfe]

Maybe he observes the crowd more so now than before--like he sees the energy and takes that in more so than before. I would do that as well--watch a side of people and a level of freneticism that you don't often see elsewhere.
i figure as you MATURE (not age) you become more intent on absorbin your surrounds, rather than being the centre of things. tryin real hard not to offend ya here.

[acamus]

Even the most ferocious lions mellow with age. It's like the difference between driving and walking; you see different things at different paces. Always remember Bueller's advice: "Life moves pretty fast. If you don't stop and look around once in awhile, you could miss it." Sound trite, but it's true. I heard that so much when I was younger and never got it, but it's coming clear now.

[laurie_hammy]

From a fan's point of view I dont Beastie will ever lose the touch.