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na§tee
07-28-2006, 07:55 AM
i read this ages ago in the guardian and forgot to put it up here - it was during another entertaining round of internet fighting, and thought y'all (and especially those engaged in said activities recently - Q, ace; i want thoughts!) would like a wee look of it. do you agree/disagree? there are some classic quotes in there! i'm not posting this because i agree with everything he says, i'm posting it, for.. you know, discussion. remember we used to do that here?

GUARDIAN
JUNE 2, 2006
G2: Back page: Supposing...: There's only one thing worth debating online

Last week I wrote a load of nonsense about flags and idiocy; as well as appearing in print, it also turned up on the Guardian's "Comment is Free" blog-o-site, where passersby are encouraged to scrawl their own responses beneath the original article.

Some people disagreed with the piece, some agreed; some found it funny, some didn't. For half a nanosecond I was tempted to join in the discussion. And then I remembered that all internet debates, without exception, are entirely futile. So I didn't.

There's no point debating anything online. You might as well hurl shoes in the air to knock clouds from the sky. The internet's perfect for all manner of things, but productive discussion ain't one of them. It provides scant room for debate and infinite opportunities for fruitless point-scoring: the heady combination of perceived anonymity, gestated responses, random heckling and a notional "live audience" quickly conspire to create a "perfect storm" of perpetual bickering.

Stumble in, take umbrage with someone, trade a few blows, and within about two or three exchanges, the subject itself goes out the window. Suddenly you're simply arguing about arguing. Eventually, one side gets bored, comes to its senses, or dies, and the row fizzles out: just another needless belch in the swirling online guffstorm.

But not for long, because online quarrelling is also addictive, in precisely the same way Tetris is addictive. It appeals to the "lab rat" part of your brain; the annoying, irrepressible part that adores repetitive pointlessness and would gleefully make you pop bubblewrap till Doomsday if it ever got its way. An unfortunate few, hooked on the futile thrill of online debate, devote their lives to its cause. They roam the internet, actively seeking out viewpoints they disagree with, or squat on messageboards, whining, needling, sneering, over-analysing each new proclamation - joylessly fiddling, like unhappy gorillas doomed to pick lice from one another's fur for all eternity.

Still, it's not all moan moan moan in NetLand. There's also the occasional puerile splutter to liven things up.

In the debate sparked by my gibberish outpouring, it wasn't long before rival posters began speculating about the size of their opponent's dicks. It led me to wonder - has the world of science ever investigated a casual link between penis size and male political leaning?

I'd theorise that, on the whole, rightwing penises are short and stubby, hence their owners' constant fury. Lefties, on the other hand, are spoiled for length, yet boast no girth whatsoever - which explains their pained confusion. I flit from one camp to the other, of course, which is why mine's so massive it's got a full-size human knee in the middle. And a back. A big man's back.

Anyway, if we must debate things online, we might as well debate that. It's not like we'll ever resolve any of that other bullshit, is it?

Click. Mine's bigger than yours. Click. No it isn't. Click. Yes it is. Click. Refresh, repost, repeat to fade.

Qdrop
07-28-2006, 08:07 AM
pretty fuckin true, for the most part...
as far as arguing anyway....

i am as guilty (or more so) than most....
i just love it....it's fuckin fun as hell....and HARMLESS!


i must say, though, that more often than not....i do pick up on some interesting counter points in certain discussions that alter my views slightly or at least force me to consider them.

that's a pretty cool thing.

drizl
07-28-2006, 08:33 AM
8---------------------------------D my penis



8-----D
q's penis and anyone who doesnt believe the world trade centers were brought down by demolition.



makes sense to me!

Qdrop
07-28-2006, 08:57 AM
LETS ARGUE ABOUT IT!!

TurdBerglar
07-28-2006, 12:07 PM
more often than not(at least with me) the person you are arguing with is just saying whatever it takes to stir shit up no matter if that person beleives what he/she is spewing out.

Qdrop
07-28-2006, 12:11 PM
more often than not(at least with me) the person you are arguing with is just saying whatever it takes to stir shit up no matter if that person beleives what he/she is spewing out.

you're full of shit...
that is so not true.


you have sexual relations your family members.

kaiser soze
07-28-2006, 12:11 PM
my post count is smaller than yours :(

Ace42X
07-28-2006, 10:40 PM
It's a good article, and I think it is true of a lot of Internet posters. I think a lot of it is that people are often wrong-sided and so cling to an erroneous position, grasping at straws, because they don't want to appear to have backed down. On the other hand, it is missing the obvious fact is that there are no other forums for debate, so it is easy to level these charges at the Internet when there is no other analogue for it. I have, on rare occasions, seen pissed pub conversations turn into the sort of e-debate described - however pubs are not convenient forums for a number of reasons. The Internet's very raison d'autre is as a talking-house, and in a way that has been lost from a modern and isolationist world.

Miho Mingu
07-28-2006, 11:41 PM
Rarely, do you find a person that will be considerate most of the time. We need more people like that. If the person arguing with you is blatently wrong, and way off course...then there is no reason to have an understanding, but a lot of times, there is no deep thought put into a topic, and you have words being spouted that are stupid.

I won't argue ANY topic endlessly. What for...who am I trying to impress ? Anonymous users on the Internet ?

I find most people don't even consider the opposing side of a discussion or arguement. It goes through one eye to the other, per se.

TAL
07-29-2006, 09:45 AM
I'm a big fan of Tetris, but not of internet arguing. I guess my "lab rat" part of the brain is broken.

Lex Diamonds
07-29-2006, 09:56 AM
The thing about internet arguing is that it's so much easier than real arguing. People who can't argue in real life can do it online without fear of being punched or shot or whatever. Also, due to the lack of facial expressions, intonement, volume of voice, etcetera, it is easy for the meaning of a post to be ambiguous, so that the internet arguer has an easy way out when you disprove their views (eg the way Qdrop is always saying "i KNEW that. it was a JOKE, moron.")

na§tee
07-30-2006, 10:26 AM
I won't argue ANY topic endlessly. What for...who am I trying to impress ? Anonymous users on the Internet ?
therein lies the rub.
i think the majority of people who are really "into" it are attempting to impress, in some curious way. or are they? is it something else which motivates them?

Ace42X
07-30-2006, 11:56 AM
is it something else which motivates them?

I can only speak for myself, but I am not going to speak for myself.

Randetica
07-30-2006, 03:26 PM
i suck at real life arguring
i suck at net arguing

with my iq i shouldnt talk to anyone
but i do because i cant

Waus
07-30-2006, 03:38 PM
therein lies the rub.
i think the majority of people who are really "into" it are attempting to impress, in some curious way. or are they? is it something else which motivates them?

If there's something I would argue endlessly it's usually because I want to prove to myself that my ideas are justified. If I can't argue my own position - then why take it?

RoryMC
02-09-2007, 04:29 AM
True.

Otis Driftwood
02-09-2007, 04:50 AM
If every fifth to tenth post is "I told you so!" or "I was right all along" you should be in the clear... (y)

ggirlballa
02-15-2007, 01:42 AM
people argue online cuz they try to impress or fit in or want the whole i'm right you're wrong now lick my balls glory

i don't argue much (in the "real world" too)

Otis Driftwood
02-15-2007, 03:49 AM
Some important historic figure once said: You cannot convince anyone of your goals by arguing, you can just get them to shut up for a time.

Lex Diamonds
02-15-2007, 06:39 AM
"Now lick my balls glory" is the best phrase I've ever heard. (y)