euthanasia.

[na§tee]

what say you?

i have just read this (http://society.guardian.co.uk/health/story/0,,1840319,00.html) article and almost cried. give it a bash if you have the time, it is excellent. as for my personal opinion, i think it's safe to say i'm with him.

i'd be interested to know about your thoughts.
are you, or have you ever met, someone who is actually opposed to this?

[Planetary]

we had to do debates on this in school. i whole hartedly agree with it.

i think there were 1 or 2 people in class who disagreed, but that's all.

[Loppfessor]

Wow that story made me get a bit misty eyed. I'm not really sure where I stand on the whole euthanasia issue. I'll have to think that over long and hard. I will say that I personally would rather decide when it's my time rather that have to suffer and burden others. More importantly though I have to comment on the couple the story is about. I really don't have the words that I'm searching for right now but I really find the love they shared and the lengths they were willing to go to, to be beautiful. I hope one day I can find that.

[jackrock]

That was quite a sad story. I too am not sure where I stand on this issue, but I'm glad they did it the way they did. Does ayone by chance know how old this couple was at the time?

[Loppfessor]

I think the dude said he was in his 80s....

[na§tee]

yeah, i can only assume his wife would be a similar age - 70s/80s.
the story really hits you hard just because of the sheer amount of, for want of a better word - balls it must have taken for both of them to make that decision. the courage! and all the lovely husbandly things he was saying, joking - "i hope this damn stuff is kosher!" and laughing together when they made little mistakes. all the joys and what not of long-term companionship. how must you feel after losing someone like that? my heart would break.

[zorra_chiflada]

i did cry after reading that.
it reminded me a lot of my mother, even though she is not that sick.

[Loppfessor]

yeah, i can only assume his wife would be a similar age - 70s/80s.
the story really hits you hard just because of the sheer amount of, for want of a better word - balls it must have taken for both of them to make that decision. the courage! and all the lovely husbandly things he was saying, joking - "i hope this damn stuff is kosher!" and laughing together when they made little mistakes. all the joys and what not of long-term companionship. how must you feel after losing someone like that? my heart would break.


See you said what I was thinking a lot better than I did. It's so amazing when you see old couples like that. You know they have been together forever and they are still in love. I mean the dude knew he could be looking at jail time and didn't care that is awesome.

[enree erzweglle]

I agree with the base practice itself, but it's multi-faceted and complex, and I don't know how to resolve most of the issues that are sitting on the table.

For me, the primary concern is not a matter of whether/not we have the right to make this decision (I think we do) but it mostly (completely?) comes down to this: how can we ensure that there is no abuse of the act itself. I'm not entirely sure of how to get to a pure state in that regard given the circumstances of some or a lot of the cases.

[fucktopgirl]

how can we ensure that there is no abuse of the act itself. I'm not entirely sure of how to get to a pure state in that regard given the circumstances of some or a lot of the cases.


Indeed, abuse will be something that will happen , i mean psycho will use this to KILL people innocently maybe. HUman are insane at time! Or people who want to scored money from their old family member or old lovers ....BUT yea the benefit of it can be reversal at any time...Always two side at an issue!

BUt in general, I am too for it: when people suffer and their lives is hell,when they cannot eat, shit ,do nothing by themselves, when thoses around them suffer , why not put an end to this intense misery.

Where it is tricky, is when people are in a super vegetal state, were their conscience is dead, they cannot really take the desicion, so therefore it rely on the family/friends, i assume this position can be more complicated but..why keeping somebody on life support when you know that nothing will change and everything will get worst?

[fraserallison]

i agree with it

[monkey]

:( ive told my parents and my bf and though they think im stupid for thinking this way, i've mentioned how i cannot go on living in a vegetative state or as an alzheimers sufferer. if i were of sound mind and i couldnt communicate it in any way or if i were unable to recognize my life, i have already made my decision. pull the plug or whatever other measure needs to be taken. medicine has allowed us to live to a ripe old age, but if it's not going to be a productive old age, then i dont want it.
but i realize this is a HIGHLY personal decision and not something that is easily taken by some. and the chances of abuse of power in the hands of people who COULD or WOULD abuse it... :( it shouldnt be a free pass to kill anyone over 75 or anyone in a wheelchair. but my view on euthanasia is the same as my view on abortion. it's your choice.

[paul jones]

I'm hungover today so I don't know

[adam_f]

I heard the euthanasia are tremendous with the chopsticks. Like fucking ninjas and shit. Crazy.

[ET]

Yeah please let me kill myself before I'm put in a nursing home or rot away in a hospital when I get to that age. Although I'd rather go the Leaving Las Vegas route. Go out with a bang, y'know?

I'm sure watching your soul mate's health deteriorate over the course of a few years would be hard to deal with though. I don't know how I'd handle that or if I'd just take a swig of the Kevorkian juice at the same time.

[QueenAdrock]

Do people remember my having to put my kitty to sleep a month ago? Someone mentioned that it'd be selfish for me to prolong her life just to have her around, if she'd be in pain. I'd just watch her slowly go downhill miserably, rather than put her to sleep when she was still on the okay side. I agree, I'm so glad that she didn't have to go through the pain that was inevitable with her cancer.

I feel the same way towards people. If they're going to die slowly, that's more cruel than letting them go peacefully and pain-free. I think that those "right-to-lifers" that were fighting to keep Terri Schiavo alive were very cruel. It was against god to keep her ON those machines, because those are man-made and specifically created to ward off "god's plan" (if you believe in that) of her death. I hate how they say they're for life, and that means prolonging misery. That's no life to lead.

[ET]

I really want to elaborate on how the whole Chiavo thing was a power play for Christian right wingers but instead I'll ask about your Droppinscience quote because it's been bugging me.

Wha? Why? I must have missed something.

p.s. sorry about your pet

[QueenAdrock]

I've been dating Brett since early May, after he said that he didn't want to be a part of a board couple. I showed him good.

[ET]

I think he was probably scared that your vagina would blow his weenis off of the face of the planet if exposed for too long. If you, as is Ghostface Killa romantic skit Keisha's House (http://www.sing365.com/music/lyric.nsf/Keshia's-House-lyrics-Ghostface-Killah/6C719497181D2CA348256E7E0008268A), have a dynamic pussy hole.