What a bunch of fucking assholes!

[fucktopgirl]

ITs is already horrible what Israel is doing, bombing, destroying the lives and city of thousand of people without any reasons, NOt enought, they had to be more "chien sale": yea we were all a bit suspecting it , indeed they do use chemical weapons in their bombing thus leaving a damage that is horrific.

BUT they said NO, we dont use chemical weapons....bunch of xxxxxxx z@#@^&%D^%^%!

http://www.smh.com.au/news/World/Israel-using-chemical-weapons-doctors/2006/07/27/1153816285823.html
http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/july2006/290706deadlydu.htm

SO how will they get back on their feet? ANd this apply to all the others nations that has been victims of WMD? I mean water, soil, animal...everything is comtaminated!!! IT is really sad!:(

[valvano]

how about one of those UN Resolutions...I hear they solve problems real good...

:rolleyes:

or maybe Israel can just give up some more land in exchange for the promise of peace, its worked great in the past

:rolleyes:

don't worry, soon Jesse Jackson and Jimmy Carter will show up and all will be right in the Mid East again...

(y)

[Schmeltz]

yah like becuse israel's armed response and no-compromise stance has really worked well to quell violence in the region before

:rolleyes:

and destroying civilian infrastructure and reducing the quality of life and weakening a government's hold on its country is a really great way to promote peace and stability internationally

:rolleyes:

hey maybe george bush can do something about it since his program of international relations has been such a stunning success over the past five years

(y)

[racer5.0stang]

Maybe we should be talking with Hezbollah instead of Lebanon. After all, Hezbollah is the terrorist group in charge of the southern region that takes it's orders from Syria and Iran. Maybe Israel should just lay down and let Hezbollah fire rockets into their country without any response. Which is what the majority of the posters on this board would like the U.S. to do. Just let those poor, misunderstood terrorists do what they like and eventually they will just go away. It is sad to see my generation turn out like such pansies. The next generation will be afraid to look at someone for fear that they would offend them.

and destroying civilian infrastructure and reducing the quality of life and weakening a government's hold on its country is a really great way to promote peace and stability internationally

Yeah because Lebanon wants a terrorist group in charge of half their country. Wouldn't it be great if Lebanon stood up and said "Hey, maybe if we get these terrorists out of our country Israel would stop firing at us." Or "Hey what if we get Hezbollah to stop firing their rockets at Israel, maybe they would do the same."

ITs is already horrible what Israel is doing, bombing, destroying the lives and city of thousand of people without any reasons, NOt enought, they had to be more "chien sale": yea we were all a bit suspecting it , indeed they do use chemical weapons in their bombing thus leaving a damage that is horrific.

What is horrible is that everyone is parroting "Israel stop bombing Lebanon because people are dying." You don't hear people telling Hezbollah to stop firing. Wonder why that is?

I guess people aren't dying in Israel and their homes aren't being destroyed.

Here is a question for you, What, in your opinion, should Israel do about their current situation? And what should take place to bring about that result?

[Schmeltz]

Yeah because Lebanon wants a terrorist group in charge of half their country.


Apparently some Lebanese want exactly that because Hezbollah is well-represented in the Lebanse government. Hezbollah is more than a fanatic religious militia, they also have a political arm and, as I understand it, a charity wing.



Wouldn't it be great if Lebanon stood up and said "Hey, maybe if we get these terrorists out of our country Israel would stop firing at us."


That was exactly my point, dingus. If the militant arm of Hezbollah is permitted to operate unimpeded in southern Lebanon, then destroying the country's infrastructure and undercutting the government's ability to feed its own citizens, let alone hold down a well-armed, internationally-funded terrorist militia is not the way to go about things. How exactly does destroying the Beirut airport strike at Hezbollah? How does refusing UN convoys permission to feed Lebanese citizens strike at Hezbollah? It does exactly the opposite by weakening a fractured government's already tenuous ability to control violence within its own borders. The Israelis aren't stupid, they can figure this out. But they are vicious - vicious enough that they are more interested in keeping their neighbours weak so they can do as they please, rather than supporting stronger governments that could ally with them against terrorists like Hezbollah.

You talk very presumptuously about what most of the posters on this board apparently believe, but your inane stance on the matter betrays the fact that your head is just as firmly up your ass as anyone else's.


You don't hear people telling Hezbollah to stop firing. Wonder why that is?


Gee, racer, I suppose it must be because progressive liberalism is a perfect match for religious fanaticism. Use your head. You don't need to think very hard to realize we're all on the same page when it comes to our attitudes toward autonomous terrorist guerrilla groups who spark wars with their fanatic militarism. But Israel, as a strong state with virtually unlimited military power (thanks to your tax dollars) ought to know better. Hezbollah launches Katysha barrages that kill people in ones and twos, but compared to the IDF they're small fry. Israel launches multimillion-dollar missiles from warplanes that cost more than the GNP of some countries, and they kill people by the dozen. It's like condemning a petty thief in the same breath as a serial rapist - just because you think the rapist is worse doesn't mean you don't think the thief is bad.


What, in your opinion, should Israel do about their current situation?


Well, a prisoner exchange, like those they have performed numerous times in the past, would have gotten them their soldiers back and averted the war. But I suppose it's too late for that. One way, though, might be to improve connections with the government of Lebanon, providing material and diplomatic support to distance the country from autocratic fundie regimes like Iran and bring the people (who, by the way, just launched a program of democratic political reform called the Cedar Revolution) firmly over to the side of peace, co-operation, and democracy (which ostensibly is where Israel stands, though that gets harder to believe by the minute). Israel should exploit every possible opportunity to strengthen ties with those of its neighbours who have the best chance of producing a co-operative relationship - I understand Egypt and Jordan both get along with Israel much better than they used to. The dynamic of political change that swept Lebanon a year ago, when the people cried out for the Syrians to leave, would have been a good starting point in a more bloodless program of isolating and disarming Hezbollah. But thanks to the hardliners in the Knesset, it's too late for that now too.

[valvano]

and destroying civilian infrastructure and reducing the quality of life and weakening a government's hold on its country is a really great way to promote peace and stability internationally
(y)


when the citizens of Lebanon elected a terrorists organization into their govt structure, then they should be prepared for the consequences..

[D_Raay]

when the citizens of Lebanon elected a terrorists organization into their govt structure, then they should be prepared for the consequences..
Oh what a crock of shit that is.

I suppose if christians somehow got their leaders into our government (wink wink) that would be different. These people need protection that cannot be afforded by their own government. Just like with Hamas.

Hmmm protection versus a government complicit with the very people who wish to do you harm, and undermine your way of life with western democracy that you don't want to be saddled with?

These people deserve the same protection that any other country does.

We are not the unquestioned rulers of the earth. Read your bible it's in there.

Good vs evil does not translate into US provided Israeli airstrike vs a 10 year old Lebanese girl.

[racer5.0stang]

Apparently some Lebanese want exactly that because Hezbollah is well-represented in the Lebanse government. Hezbollah is more than a fanatic religious militia, they also have a political arm and, as I understand it, a charity wing.

Just because Hezbollah used the old cloak and dagger trick to gain entry into the government does not mean that the people cannot stop these people from using them as shields to deploy their rocket attacks.

If you have a terrorist who is planning to fire rockets from your front lawn don't you think that you should stop he/she so that your front lawn doesn't become a target? And don't try and tell me that the people don't know what is going on in their own neighborhoods. How can you be mad that your house was destroyed when you invited the war into your neighborhood?

It is pretty sad that charity has brought war to these people.

You talk very presumptuously about what most of the posters on this board apparently believe, but your inane stance on the matter betrays the fact that your head is just as firmly up your ass as anyone else's.

Take the time to read the posts on this board. Most of them illustrate their hatred for the U.S., Israel, God and the people who support them.

But that of course is neither here nor there.

[Schmeltz]

Just because Hezbollah used the old cloak and dagger trick to gain entry into the government does not mean that the people cannot stop these people from using them as shields


One could tell that to the North Koreans and the Zimbabweans too, I suppose, and it would be just as meaningless. Do you know what it's called when one proportion of a nation goes to war against one another for dominance of the nation? That's a "civil war," and Lebanon already went through a vicious one just a few years ago. I don't imagine the citizenry is particularly anxious to experience anything similar now - not that they've been given the choice or anything.

Nation-states, when fractured by divisions among the populace and government, economically crippled or regressive, and surrounded by unstable, hostile, and/or aggressive neighbours, simply cannot be expected to fulfill all the same functions as politically stable, nationally united, centrally controlled polities with friendly neighbours and sound economies. An organization like Hezbollah could not exist in a First World country. But Lebanon is much more vulnerable to such things, and much less able to confront them successfully.


If you have a terrorist who is planning to fire rockets from your front lawn don't you think that you should stop he/she so that your front lawn doesn't become a target?


That's a piss-poor example because I could call the police. You know, the formal armed agents of the state who maintain its monopoly on violence within national borders. If the Lebanese security or defense forces are outgunned by Hezbollah (which is apparently able to cause a lot of trouble to one of the most sophisticated and powerful military forces in the world), what exactly are they supposed to do? If the terrorists can outgun the police, what in God's name could I possibly do to them? Arm myself? Fight a civil war? With Israel breathing down my neck? You're being totally unrealistic - not that I expected any better.


Most of them illustrate their hatred for the U.S., Israel, God and the people who support them.


I think if you were to actually take a look at what people are saying, you would find that their anger and hatred are directed at the manner in which these things are being co-opted, abused, and misled at the expense of millions of innocent people. If I hated the United States, would I vacation there every year? If I hated God, would I be able to speak to you about the beauty of a Psalm or the relative spiritual value of the Bible? If I hated Israel, wouldn't my posts be full of anti-Semitic invective and unqualified condemnation of the entire country? The posters here have made their cases in terms that do not merit your skewed interpretation of their words - but then, I keep forgetting it's only possible for you to extract the most superficial layer from any text - you know, the one that best conforms to your own starting premises.

[fucktopgirl]

Take the time to read the posts on this board. Most of them illustrate their hatred for the U.S., Israel, God and the people who support them.

Damn straight, i have an envy of vomiting on them that it is really intense. I dont dislike necessarily the people of thoses country but mostly the dirigeant. Thoses are the ones who instigated this mess and the people who support them are just blinded by this toxic radioactive light of lies.

How can you have a feeling of love with what their are preaching and doing?

For god, well if he agree what the US and Israel are doing, he has been fooled too! Let have mercy on him !

[Tone Capone]

I love how everyone likes to act shocked that the Jews and the Muslims are going at it... when weren't they going at it? Oh well, I guess if it helps you pass the day.

[Schmeltz]

The Jews and Muslims certainly weren't "going at it" when Sephardic Jews, expelled from the crusading Christian empire of Spain, sought refuge in the Muslim Turkish territories. They certainly weren't "going at it" under the Abbasid Caliphate, when Jews occupied the highest ranks of the intellectual and economic elite across two continents. Jews and Muslims have been historically co-operative ethno-religious groups, on the whole. The trouble between the two is actually relatively recent. It's a god damned shame, really - according to the ancestral mythology of the two groups, Arab Muslims and Jews are technically blood relatives.

[Tone Capone]

OR more realistically... VVV

I love how everyone likes to act shocked that the Jews and the Muslims are going at it... when weren't they going at it? Oh well, I guess if it helps you pass the day.

[Schmeltz]

Three words, three capital letters, and a quote of your own message from two posts ago. What a profound contribution to the discussion.

[SobaViolence]

only one side is allowed to have bombs...

[Tone Capone]

Three words, three capital letters, and a quote of your own message from two posts ago. What a profound contribution to the discussion.

or a few sporadic incidents of Muslims and Jews getting along... WOW! You really blew this thing wide open.:eek:

[fucktopgirl]

this is interesting clips to show how the israeliens are so full of SHIT!!

http://brasscheck.com/videos/middleeast/me5.html