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mickill
08-17-2006, 04:10 PM
SUP! So like, it isn't exactly the most consistent body of work ever. But what recent rap albums have been, dickheads? And even with the lackluster material included, this could still arguably be Meth's best solo album to date, bitches. For a lot of sleepers, that's not really saying a whole lot, anyway. But the only reason more people don't consider Tical a bona fide classic is because the bar was initially set quite high with 36 Chambers the year before. And because people are generally stupid. Regardless, I don't think a lot of folks were expecting Meth to knock this one out the park or anything. But alas, the joke is on you, doubting morons.

After an underwhelming intro featuring a series of soundclips of various hippies insisting on the legalization of weed, Meth sets things off with a nice little freestyle verse, dropping gems like "I'm the real deal, comma/ Come back to get you like bad karma/ Y'all niggas is throwing rocks with glass armor". It becomes immediately apparent, even to idiots, that Meth is hungry again.

Next we get hit off with the requisite Scott Storch club banger on 'Is It Me?'. The beat won't exactly knock you on your ass or anything, unless you've been living under a rock (or haven't heard Lean Back, Clap Back, Why We Thugs or Candy Shop/Magic Stick etc). It's standard Storch fodder, but Meth brings his A game, which bumps the tracks nod factor up considerably.

Likewise, 'Problem' is more of the usual Eric Sermon "bink binka bink bink" shit that he's been doing for the last 10 years or so, but John-John kills it lyrically. 'Somebody Done Fucked Up' is the first genuinely strong track on the album. Meth doesn't do anything more than murder the track for 3 minutes straight. It's a simple yet effective approach. You're basically stupid if you feel otherwise.

Tical takes us into more Club Banger territory with 'Fall Out'. It might take a minute to get used to what's going on here, but once you get past the initial "strangeness" of it all, it kinda works itself out. It's the type of song that can only really be appreciated in an actual club, while under the influence of a few substances. 'Dirty Mef', featuring the posthumously multi-talented ODB is a bit disappointing, however. The rhyming is a little on the pedestrian side and the hook is pretty mehhhhhh. But still, it's nice to hear the vocal interplay between the two of them.

'4:20' is probably one of the most original tracks Meth has ever delivered. The beat is some stripped-down old school futuristic shit. And Meth's flow on this one is disgusting. Plus the Biggie sample on the hook ("Roll that shit, light that shit, smoke it") keeps things nicely off-balance and fresh. Regardless of the redundant subject matter, you'd be a real dickhead not to feel this.

One might feel inclined to refuse to acknowledge the inclusion of 'Let's Ride' (featuring Ginuwine) on this album in the hopes that one can forget it exists at all.

Raekwon and U-God each drop a verse on 'The Glide', which is a decent if somewhat lackluster ditty. Still worth checking out. The humorous 'Kids' skit precedes another of Meth's "the record label made me" songs, 'Got To Have It', where Meth apes both every commercial rapper's favorite topics of discussion (wealth, material excess, fame) and the chipmunk voice filling in the blanks in the verses approach to making the song itself. If you like that sort of thing, you're in for a real treat.

'Say' has been getting it's fair share of attention, which is good. The song itself is pretty mellow in M-E-T-H-O-D Man terms, but the lyrics are heartfelt and honest.....which is pretty homo, but whatever. It's a good tune.

'Yah Mean' is fire. The beat is fire. The hook is fire. And while Fat Joe isn't exactly known for his lyrical prowess on the mic, his verse is surprisingly solid. Styles P does his usual Styles P thing, which can be good or bad depending on how you feel about dude. Other than that, it's fire. Punch yourself if you feel diffeently.

I have no idea what Meth's talking about on 'Konichiwa Bitches', but it's all good. It's nothing outstanding, but I'm not mad at it. Streetlife and Inspectah Deck bring some ruckus to 'Everything' which is another banger. But it's no match for the cutomary heat that Redman and Mef display on 'Walk On'. Not only is the chemistry between the two Deodorant peddlers still nicely intact, but this is easily the strongest Meth And Red collaboration since 'How High'. The beat utilizes the same 'Walk On By' sample Just Blaze flipped on his remix for Jay-Z's 'PSA'. And it's a monster. You can just go to hell if you think otherwise.

The 'Pimp' skit is nice, short and humorous, the way all skits should be. 'Presidential MC' is another Wu-banger. Rae kills another verse and RZA does his thing as well. Meth dominates the track, regardless, with his relentless presence, leaving little doubt as to why he was the first man in the crew to get signed to a solo deal. Contrary to what you Ghostface and GZA Stans might think, Method Man has and always will be the most talented straight up and down emcee out of the Wu. The man's flow throughout the album entire album is ridiculous. Even on the obligatory mainstream cuts.

That being said, despite a few minor oversights and a couple of average tracks, Meth's willingness to push himself a little harder this go around has resulted in some of the strongest individual tracks in the entire Wu catalog.



Oh, and there's this little wack ass R&B song at the end of the album, which is pretty much horrendous, but we won't get into that.

There goes the rest of my work day.

Anyway, COP IT!

I give it a 4 out of 5.

The Notorious LOL
08-17-2006, 04:46 PM
either the Wu in general is just putting out better shit, or everything else in comparison sucks so bad that stuff that would have been written off as trash in 1996 seems great in 2006.

Drederick Tatum
08-17-2006, 04:49 PM
not sure why dickheads needed to be included there...

Poster Boy
08-17-2006, 05:52 PM
yah mean is, indeed, fire.

mickill
08-18-2006, 09:05 AM
either the Wu in general is just putting out better shit, or everything else in comparison sucks so bad that stuff that would have been written off as trash in 1996 seems great in 2006.
See, I think that they all got complacent and started resting on their laurels and whatever. Now that they're beginning to finally realize that a lot of people have moved on, they're starting to get hungry again, I think. They've all been crying about the same thing in interviews lately; Meth, Ghost, Rae, RZA have all made comments about not getting the respect/sales they feel they deserve.
not sure why dickheads needed to be included there...
It's a pretentious reviewer thing, I suppose.


Good to know that most of the wack ass and mediocre songs were courtesy of Eric Sermon. Those tracks aren't in the right order, though.

Ally Al
08-18-2006, 09:08 AM
That being said, despite a few minor oversights and a couple of average tracks, Meth's willingness to push himself a little harder this go around has resulted in some of the strongest individual tracks in the entire Wu catalog.


this is a bold statement, i'm going to listen later and see. Despite some recent wackness there are some very very strong individual tracks in the wu catalog

Otis Driftwood
08-18-2006, 09:26 AM
I have no idea what Meth's talking about on 'Konichiwa Bitches
It's like "Good day, esteemed japanese ladies."

mickill
08-18-2006, 09:38 AM
Oh, thanks. ^


this is a bold statement, i'm going to listen later and see. Despite some recent wackness there are some very very strong individual tracks in the wu catalog
All I can tell you is that I think 'Walk On', 'Presedential MC', 'Yah Mean' and '4:20' are pretty much hotter than anything that's come from the Clan since maybe Supreme Clientele.

Save for perhaps a couple of Ghostface tracks. And Rae's 'State Of Grace'. But nothing else.

Ally Al
08-18-2006, 09:47 AM
Oh, thanks. ^


All I can tell you is that I think 'Walk On', 'Presedential MC', 'Yah Mean' and '4:20' are pretty much hotter than anything that's come from the Clan since maybe Supreme Clientele.

Save for perhaps a couple of Ghostface tracks. And Rae's 'State Of Grace'. But nothing else.


i'm looking forward to checking it, i think over time i just got bored of meth's stoner persona. i think the wu need to be hungry again to bring out their best

mickill
08-18-2006, 09:49 AM
i'm looking forward to checking it, i think over time i just got bored of meth's stoner persona. i think the wu need to be hungry again to bring out their best
Let me know if you wanna hear it, son.

Ally Al
08-18-2006, 10:09 AM
Let me know if you wanna hear it, son.


wow thanks i'd really appreciate that and you know if you did hook me up i'd be polite enough to mention it in my review

mickill
08-18-2006, 10:18 AM
Don't mention it, son.

Okay, fine, THANK YOU FOR HOOKING ME UP, ALLY AL!

Ally Al
08-18-2006, 10:27 AM
Don't mention it, son.

Okay, fine, THANK YOU FOR HOOKING ME UP, ALLY AL!


Mick you are SO welcome, unexpected politeness is always so refreshing i think

The Notorious LOL
08-18-2006, 11:16 AM
haha wtf ^



I dont know why they're bothering on majors anymore...they should all just go to Koch and based off the strength of their fanbase just scan under platinum and see $6 an album compared to flopping on majors.



Raekwon on Aftermath? Regardless of how good that album is, he will be very lucky to see gold.

mickill
08-18-2006, 11:25 AM
Gold is the new platinum, man. DMX's two week sales have yet to surpass the 200,000 mark. Even Busta hasn't cracked gold yet afetr 4 weeks. Both these dudes used to do a mil the first week. Rick Ross doing 187,000 his first week is considered a huge success for Def Jam. The only rappers going platinum are southern artists and Kanye.

The Notorious LOL
08-18-2006, 11:27 AM
basically.

HEIRESS
08-18-2006, 11:44 AM
I go gold and platinum everyday areharhahrahrharharharrrr

:/

The Notorious LOL
08-18-2006, 06:31 PM
Joey Crack kills it on Ya'meen

The Notorious LOL
08-20-2006, 11:09 AM
Fall Out is pretty weak.

mickill
08-20-2006, 09:11 PM
Yeah, I'm not feeling any Kwame beats really. 'Fall Out' included. I didn't mind him back in his polka dot days, though. And the beat he did for Lloyd Banks' 'On Fire' was probably kinda okay until Eminem put his signature "dramatic" touches on it.

Kid Presentable
08-20-2006, 11:31 PM
Peek.

The Notorious LOL
08-21-2006, 12:34 AM
you typed the bit about E. Sermons production like its a bad thing.

mickill
08-21-2006, 09:28 AM
I don't have anything against E Doubles's production really. I just think that that particular beat sounds like a leftover track from the Blackout album.

adam_f
08-21-2006, 12:27 PM
Remember "Method & Red?" THE GREATEST TELEVISION SHOW SINCE "HEE-HAW!!!!!!!!!!!"

mickill
08-21-2006, 12:59 PM
I predict 4 Mics and an XL.

mickill
08-21-2006, 01:08 PM
They didn't even listen to Yayo's album before they gave him that rating, I'm sure. Nobody in the Interscope family gets less than an XL rating in INTERSCOPE MAGAZINE. They should have invented a new rating for that album with just a picture of a frisbee or a steaming pile of dog shit. Or something.

Kid Presentable
08-22-2006, 03:45 AM
Listening in progress. The rhymes on the intro were good. Real good. Dirtiest thing in sight. Yup.

Second track is O.K.

Kid Presentable
08-22-2006, 04:11 AM
The Walk On beat, from PE's Arizona, who did the original?

Kid Presentable
08-22-2006, 04:16 AM
I must be one of the only people who'd never heard Yah Mean. Joe sounds like Scram Jones.

mickill
08-22-2006, 09:09 AM
The Walk On beat, from PE's Arizona, who did the original?
It's from the Jackson 5's version of 'Walk On By'.

checkyourprez
08-25-2006, 07:01 PM
i only really like the hippy intro freestyle, the glide, Ya'Meen, presidential mc, and dirty mef. fall out and walk on 4:20 are ok. not overlly impressed. I guess a 3/5 would be it for me.

mickill
09-08-2006, 12:53 AM
4:21 sold 62,000 copies in its first week.

Also, XXL gave it an M rating.

Kid Presentable
09-08-2006, 01:13 AM
I read Method Man talking about how the indy route would be the best to go for most artists now. The album got no promotion. I bought it though.

g-mile7
09-08-2006, 02:30 PM
Meth is good, and more rounded then GZA(Liquid Swords)...but he doesnt see Ghost on at least 3/5 solo outings....except on 36 Chambers he outshines. The new LP is decent and YaMean is that epic shit...

The Notorious LOL
09-08-2006, 06:42 PM
4:21 sold 62,000 copies in its first week.

Also, XXL gave it an M rating.



albums in general dont sell anymore. Its a stretch to go platinum with the exception of incredibly popular musicians. People who sell 5 million now would do 10 million 5-10 years ago.

Poster Boy
09-08-2006, 07:44 PM
eventually, selling 1,000 records will be going platinum.

and gold will just be if your single gets played on the radio.

however, going diamond is increased to having to sell one billion records.

which means only Shania Twain will ever go diamond.

g-mile7
09-09-2006, 02:28 PM
It was an L and they said YaMeans beat was monotone.

g-mile7
09-09-2006, 09:14 PM
It has. Hasnt been 2 much 2 post bout on here.

ggirlballa
09-09-2006, 09:15 PM
I real it was givin an L rating and , people ar pissed cause Rick Ross got an XL

:confused:

rick ross is annoying me a lot lately....he talks about the same things on all his songs he's released lately...........

Qdrop
09-10-2006, 08:37 AM
Just copped this a few days ago...
best damn album i have purchased in about 2 years...


Next we get hit off with the requisite Scott Storch club banger on 'Is It Me?'. The beat won't exactly knock you on your ass or anything, unless you've been living under a rock (or haven't heard Lean Back, Clap Back, Why We Thugs or Candy Shop/Magic Stick etc). It's standard Storch fodder, but Meth brings his A game, which bumps the tracks nod factor up considerably.
not totally feeling this track....but it's decent.


Likewise, 'Problem' is more of the usual Eric Sermon "bink binka bink bink" shit that he's been doing for the last 10 years or so, but John-John kills it lyrically. 'Somebody Done Fucked Up' is the first genuinely strong track on the album. Meth doesn't do anything more than murder the track for 3 minutes straight. It's a simple yet effective approach. You're basically stupid if you feel otherwise.
love this track.


Tical takes us into more Club Banger territory with 'Fall Out'. It might take a minute to get used to what's going on here, but once you get past the initial "strangeness" of it all, it kinda works itself out. It's the type of song that can only really be appreciated in an actual club, while under the influence of a few substances.
THE best track on this album. can't stop playing it....i actually have it playing while i write this.
sick fuckin beat (loving K1Mil right now)....best thing i've heard since Busta's "Touch it".
sick chorus...sick bridge....sick breakdowns.
that beat....man...that beat.


'Dirty Mef', featuring the posthumously multi-talented ODB is a bit disappointing, however. The rhyming is a little on the pedestrian side and the hook is pretty mehhhhhh. But still, it's nice to hear the vocal interplay between the two of them.
ahh...man...i love this track too.
"fuck YOOOOOOU! fuck YOOOOOOU!fuck YOOOOOOU!fuck YOOOOOOU!fuck YOOOOOOU!"
love it. i miss dirty.

'4:20' is probably one of the most original tracks Meth has ever delivered. The beat is some stripped-down old school futuristic shit. And Meth's flow on this one is disgusting. Plus the Biggie sample on the hook ("Roll that shit, light that shit, smoke it") keeps things nicely off-balance and fresh. Regardless of the redundant subject matter, you'd be a real dickhead not to feel this. yeah...fuckin raw as fuck...really reminds me of "Tical", which is one of meth's best track ever.

One might feel inclined to refuse to acknowledge the inclusion of 'Let's Ride' (featuring Ginuwine) on this album in the hopes that one can forget it exists at all. i've heard much worse..but yeah...i tend to skip past it.

'Got To Have It', where Meth apes both every commercial rapper's favorite topics of discussion (wealth, material excess, fame) and the chipmunk voice filling in the blanks in the verses approach to making the song itself. If you like that sort of thing, you're in for a real treat. very standard....but well produced...and catchy.

'Say' has been getting it's fair share of attention, which is good. The song itself is pretty mellow in M-E-T-H-O-D Man terms, but the lyrics are heartfelt and honest.....which is pretty homo, but whatever. It's a good tune. this is actually one of the stronger tracks on the ablum i think...rather surprising.
his last verse is really striking...and a great "fuck you" to his past critics.

'Yah Mean' is fire. The beat is fire. The hook is fire. And while Fat Joe isn't exactly known for his lyrical prowess on the mic, his verse is surprisingly solid. Styles P does his usual Styles P thing, which can be good or bad depending on how you feel about dude. Other than that, it's fire. Punch yourself if you feel diffeently. nice...but i gotta say i'm not feeling this as much as other people...but it's still pretty strong.

I have no idea what Meth's talking about on 'Konichiwa Bitches', but it's all good. It's nothing outstanding, but I'm not mad at it. just the goofy chorus makes this track fun to listen too...

But it's no match for the cutomary heat that Redman and Mef display on 'Walk On'. Not only is the chemistry between the two Deodorant peddlers still nicely intact, but this is easily the strongest Meth And Red collaboration since 'How High'. The beat utilizes the same 'Walk On By' sample Just Blaze flipped on his remix for Jay-Z's 'PSA'. And it's a monster. You can just go to hell if you think otherwise. eh...i think thier Blackout shit was much better....but hey, i fuckin love Red..so i can't front on anything he does.


That being said, despite a few minor oversights and a couple of average tracks, Meth's willingness to push himself a little harder this go around has resulted in some of the strongest individual tracks in the entire Wu catalog.
yeah, this album pretty much doubled his "best of" catalogue...
well done, meth...
well done.

I give it a 4 out of 5.
i concur.

Lex Diamonds
09-10-2006, 09:14 AM
Nice review. You spelt "peek" wrong, man.

Tzar
10-24-2006, 01:05 AM
bought this today, will listen soon...

Tzar
10-24-2006, 06:31 AM
i like, i like (y)
could definately play this all the way through with no troubles.

Kid Presentable
10-24-2006, 08:03 AM
i like, i like (y)
could definately play this all the way through with no troubles.
Yeah, it's alright hey.