The Future of Hip Hop?

[mickill]

I don't think there is one, really.

Think back to say '92-'95; you had B.I.G., Nas, Snoop, Outkast, Wu Tang (both as a collective and individually), Mobb Deep and Common each making their respective debuts, dropping classic albums/singles which have, for the most part, all stood the test of time, just within those few short years. Most of these artists (with the possible exception of Mobb Deep) still move a lot of units, still drop heavily anticipated albums and are generally considered among the elite in Rap. And all of them are now in their thirties. Well, except Biggie.

Now consider some of the new(er) rappers coming out. How many of these artists are likely to still have a record deal ten years from now? How many of these artists are actually still young enough to make their mark before they're forced to bow out, in an industry where the average artist starts making plans to "retire" by the time they're in their late twenties? The most current crop is a definite far cry from the dozens of legendary artists in the eighties who'd gotten signed while still in their teens (LL Cool J, Big Daddy Kane, Eric B & Rakim, Run DMC, De La Soul, NWA etc). These days, teenage artists tend to add a "Lil" to the beginning of their names and make music that caters to the same demographics as Nickleodeon and Disney.

Many of todays "most promising" artists who have actually inked deals are in their mid to late '20s. And most of the better ones still have yet to drop a proper album. Papoose (28), Saigon (28), Lupe Fiasco (25) are easily among the most talented/original emcees to pop up in the last decade or so. And even though Pap and Sai have been making noise in the mixtape circuit for at least half that time, they're all still pretty much considered new artists.

And with the current advent of rap artists from the Southern states, (many of whom get routinely accused of watered down content, recycled themes and more or less fucking rap music up in general) a lot of rappers and producers from seemingly every other region blatantly emulate Southern artists, hoping to garner similar success.

Though New York still commands a lot of influence/attention in Hip Hop -- albeit to a far less degree than it has in the past -- many of the most notable artists from the 5 Boroughs owe a lot of their successes to the influences of rappers from the South. Likewise, (ever since Dr Dre and Eminem lambasted the rap populace for forgetting about the former over a very un-Dre-like bounce track) many established West Coast artists seem complacent enough to unabashedly borrow from their Southern contemporaries. And Seriously, apart from a few regional hallmarks and differing slang/phrases, is there an actual audible distinction that can be made between Hyphy and Crunk?

Many of the artists that seem to be interested in carrying the torch for tradtional NY rap are from anywhere but NY. Little Brother, who seem intent on re-introducing the Native Tongues aesthetic to today's listeners, come from North Carolina. And the group's producer, 9th Wonder (who's 31, by the way), has been christened the next Pete Rock (36) by everyone from the group's fans to Pete Rock himself. Kanye West (28) has been dominating rap with his primarily sample-heavy brand of beats since his solo debut in 2004. And he did what Common and Twista failed to do before him (and without him); he put Chicago hip hop -- perhaps even, along with Nelly (31) the entire midwest, on the map (using a decidedly NY approach to beatmaking). Most notably, however, Pharrell Williams (33) and his less visible half in The Neptunes, Chad Hugo (32), have done more to bring back the boom bap element to popular hip hop than any other beatmakers. While a lot of their beats can be quite melodic, few producers have done more to return the most essential ingredient of the orthodox hip hop beat (the drumtrack) back to where it belongs (in the forefront).

While it's easy to appreciate the popularity of artists like Rick Ross (29), Bun B (32), Lil Wayne (27...Lil?), Ludacris (28) and Scarface (36), it's a little more difficult to understand how someone as untalented and annoying as Young Jeezy (if you consider 29 young) can outsell just about every other rap artist of last year, with the notable exceptions of The Game (26) and 50 Cent (31). Speaking of whom, do you think that these two are more likely to be regarded as legendary emcees by their audiences ten years from now or considered to have fallen THE FUCK OFF by then? Exactly.

Anyway, the varying and seemingly unfocused points of my (yet again) long-winded, and moderately unbiased rant are quite simple:

1) The majority of new rap artists suck.
2) The majority of rappers that don't suck are in their late twenties to mid-thirties, meaning the young rappers of today have no hope....except for Memphis Bleek (28), who's just one hit away.
3) East and West coast rap will continue to be (somewhat) critically appreciated yet commercially ignored until East and West coast artists stop biting Southern artists and think of something new.
4) Young Jeezy sucks ass.

[sercomdj01]

Mainstream rock music sucks. But the leftside cult side of rock can be a brilliant as anything in the 60's/70's hay day.
The same will happen for rap (if it not allready is).
Don't pee you pants just yet.

[yooooo]

great post, and also an often discussed topic.

I agree with almost everything you said. I am sad that I refuse to listen to that shit, but i cant help.... so ill focus on the underground scene..

[sercomdj01]

Yeah it is a good post. And very true.
All music ends up that way when it gets in the hands of the multinationals.

[The Notorious LOL]

Papoose and Lupe suck, and you fucked up a lot of the ages you listed for some reason or another.

[ggirlballa]

you're right about the age thing i mean some of them are in the mid-late 20's early 30's and barely debuting...i was just thinking that by the time the b-boys were around 30 they had 5 albums & all of em were pretty big hits...they were 19 or so when LTI dropped ...also llcoolj released a lot of stuff before he hit 30 since he started when he was 15....run dmc..all of em started when they were teens!:eek:

[korn_phr33k]

i definatley share most of the same views as you when you look at musc in geneal today even. And theres just one thing ive never had explained to me, why are some rappers more popular than others? Why did people like 50 Cent (overused example i know) get so poupular while other really really great groups or mc's still struggle to make it to the top?

I like listening to hip hop that dosnt always talk about the usual sex, money, blah blah blah. theres almost no respect for the real talented lyricists out there. like lately ive been into blackalicious and i just cant understand how these guys arent so much bigger. creativity and originality are no longer celebrated, just whose beat can be played louder on crappy stock speakers in your car while you think you're truly cool.

what happened to hip hop with stories or something remotely positive. theres supposed to be "Four Elements of Hip Hop" the mc is one of them and i just dont see that today. in the 80's and early 90's rappers and groups were known for their own personalities, being different from eachother, thats what made them them. Today i can barely tell the difference, everyones just trying to be cooler or tougher than the last guy. And for some reason all of the original and unique groups these days seem to pushed down into the category of "underground" while the radio is just flooded with crap.

[mickill]

Mainstream rock music sucks. But the leftside cult side of rock can be a brilliant as anything in the 60's/70's hay day.
The same will happen for rap (if it not allready is).
Don't pee you pants just yet.
Unfortunately, the underground scene in Hip Hop isn't quite the hotbed of untapped virgin talent that it is in the Rock indie scene.

Papoose and Lupe suck, and you fucked up a lot of the ages you listed for some reason or another.
I'm not particularly fond of either of them, to be honest. But regardless, as far as up and coming talent goes, they're among the more respectable artists to come along in awhile.

Which ages? I was guessing a few.

[The Notorious LOL]

Li'l Wayne is definetly younger than 27.

[sercomdj01]

Unfortunately, the underground scene in Hip Hop isn't quite the hotbed of untapped virgin talent that it is in the Rock indie scene.


Aye! But it could be in a few years. Don't give up hope yet! Rock looked dead for a while but was saved! We need a saviour of hip hop!

[mickill]

You're right. Wayne's actually 26.

Sorrrrray.

[mickill]

I like listening to hip hop that dosnt always talk about the usual sex, money, blah blah blah. theres almost no respect for the real talented lyricists out there. like lately ive been into blackalicious and i just cant understand how these guys arent so much bigger. creativity and originality are no longer celebrated, just whose beat can be played louder on crappy stock speakers in your car while you think you're truly cool.
I have no problem with rappers talking about sex, cars or money. Slick Rick made a career out of it. The problem with Rap isn't necesarily the content, it's the lack of talent.

[saml]

lil bow wow

[roosta]

I can't imagine some one dropping an "Illmatic" style album in the current atmosphere. A young, intelligent MC on a major dropping an album with such hard production...

I blame MTV, and all this talk of "this is my club song" "this is my song for the ladies" like there's a success-formula that has to be followed.

And as good as underground/leftfield stuff is at least back in the day the big names in hip-hop were dropping quality regularly like mickill said, now most of it is trash.

[xrocketman]

its true - most of the hottest rappers now emerged over ten years ago.

[korn_phr33k]

I have no problem with rappers talking about sex, cars or money. Slick Rick made a career out of it. The problem with Rap isn't necesarily the content, it's the lack of talent.

lack of talent is a huge part, im just sayin people need to be a little more creative too, sex cars and money just seems to be really over done. but like tech n9ne and he raps about sex but hes just a great mc in my opinion so it donst matter as much, i know waht you mean though.

[Jitters]

I blame MTV, and all this talk of "this is my club song" "this is my song for the ladies" like there's a success-formula that has to be followed.


Yeah, I blame MTV too, that and radio. With rap it seems like there just isn't any inspiration in the genre or originality anymore. When I turn on my local rap station all I hear is some bad rapper with a slow draw talking about how this song is a club banger (n)

Production is severly lacking too, all the rap songs on the radio sound the same with that really annoying digital drum track that gets really old after a few seconds (n) (n) (n)

[King PSYZ]

hard to say why there's a lack of young mc's coming up. personally, I think it's oversaturation.

now that most of america (which many will read as white america) "accepts" (AKA co-ops hip-rop/rap) there's more than we can absorb. So to the kids in the streets who might have some skill, they might feel like there's no room to blow up or be seen. On the flip side of that, the execs don't see reason to up some 15 year old from the projects when they got studio MC's practically printing $100s in the studio out back.

the only way hip hop is gonna get back, is for the scene to eat itself (which is starting to take place) and some larger labels to back out as it not being commercially viable enough. then you'll see some young upstarts come along and the new def jam or tommy boy will be born.

maybe get a bunch of people together in different major markets, everytime they have a call in your request have people flood the lines with requests for Rakim or Tribe Called Quest.

[Dynamixx.Prince]

Heh, the comercial Hip Hop music in USA is headed to die...... I think the best scene is in europe, here is not that fuckers you just see on MTV and they're think that the are designatin' the lifestyle.... Playin' role as gangstas...
Motherfuckers like 50 cent and his Gayish Unit and others.....
And what about Afrika Bambaataa, Krs-One etc.? They'll live forever coz' they are not comercial bitches doin' advertising on socks in a teenage magazine........

[Poster Boy]

Handsome Boy Modeling School-esque stuff.

Collaborations like Peeping Tom.

This, is the future.

I like it when people can have fun with hip-hop. Dan The Automator manages to do that, even today.

The last Handsome Boy album hasn't even moved 100,000 units in 2 years. Hate to say it but that sound will never be mainstream.

I think Hip-Hop has a future, it's just not the one anyone really hoped for.

[korn_phr33k]

The last Handsome Boy album hasn't even moved 100,000 units in 2 years. Hate to say it but that sound will never be mainstream.

I think Hip-Hop has a future, it's just not the one anyone really hoped for.

really!? thats all? youre talking about White Poeple right? i thought it was a great album, i got two people hooked on it. too bad.

i just hope as we sit here typing about how "maistream" isnt as good as other stuff that im not viewed as one of those "elitists" that were mentioned in another post. i just know what i like and sometimes have strong opinions about it. do i think most of whats on the radio today is crap? yes, i do. do i think it will change? no, not really. all i can do is like what i like.

[yeahwho]

It is just a stupid template. I think Hip-Hop/Rap is suffering now because of the mold and structure of street cred, fuck all that bullshit. It's talent and the sooner someone comes along with it the better for everybody involved.

Not dead, just overdone in it's current incarnation.

[Kid Presentable]

I don't think hip-hop as I know and love it has much of a chance, really. But even if it sinks away into obscurity, it will still rediscover itself through the loyal. And probably wind up in this same position in another 20+ years.

[Auton]

nerds are ruining rap

[yeahwho]

Seems like all these full size 331/3's I have are nerds. They started it, they want that Roxanne. :D

[Miho Mingu]

I'd like it to fade away now. The majority of albums are uninteresting, and recycled from previous generations. I'm always up for some Kool Keith and Prince Paul though.

[The Notorious LOL]

Heh, the comercial Hip Hop music in USA is headed to die...... I think the best scene is in europe, here is not that fuckers you just see on MTV and they're think that the are designatin' the lifestyle.... Playin' role as gangstas...
Motherfuckers like 50 cent and his Gayish Unit and others.....
And what about Afrika Bambaataa, Krs-One etc.? They'll live forever coz' they are not comercial bitches doin' advertising on socks in a teenage magazine........



no one gives a flying fuck about eurotrash rap and no one ever will.

Even Canada has no business rapping and they have more of a rep than anywhere in Europe.

[korn_phr33k]

people sure do get angry on these boards...

[The Notorious LOL]

whos angry?

[ggirlballa]

the ill out show on XM with prince paul........is definately worth checking out! well i think so

i like some of european hip hop but the accent gets to me sometimes...i can't tell wut they're saying sometimes but most of the time i understand em but i'm definately not going to cut off my ears to euro-rap just cuz its different & sometimes i don't know the european slangs some of it is pretty good

[BBboy20]

Well...atleast we have our Beastie Boys. :p

Though, the only mainstream rapper I can think of that actually has the same similer views on the state of hip-hop is DMX.

[Kid Presentable]

Does it say a lot that not even the Beastie Boys could make a mind-blowing hip-hop record post 2003? I mean, there's been a lot of solid releases, but nothing that has redefined the genre.

[ggirlballa]

Does it say a lot that not even the Beastie Boys could make a mind-blowing hip-hop record post 2003? I mean, there's been a lot of solid releases, but nothing that has redefined the genre.

yea the way it is right now sucks & its not looking too good 4 the future

the thing about the b-boys is when they released they're albums it was innovative & changed the game in some way but TT5B didn't change hip hop at all when hip hop needed to be changed the most....hopefully their new album that they're currently "working" on will change the game in sum way for the better i doubt it though unless they pull out an INCREDIBLE album

[Otis Driftwood]

Europe's got UNKLE, Saian Super Crew, Deichkind, Lady Sov, shit. You can listen to OUR music if you get fed up w The Gayme and 50 scent. Worst thing is people like Meth, Jay Z etc. collaborating w Mariah Carrey, J-Lo whoever for those boring, dumb RnB tracks.

[Kid Presentable]

Europe's got UNKLE, Saian Super Crew, Deichkind, Lady Sov, shit. You can listen to OUR music if you get fed up w The Gayme and 50 scent. Worst thing is people like Meth, Jay Z etc. collaborating w Mariah Carrey, J-Lo whoever for those boring, dumb RnB tracks.
I wouldn't brag about the second UNKLE album. Just sayin, a yank made them good.

[mickill]

I can't imagine some one dropping an "Illmatic" style album in the current atmosphere. A young, intelligent MC on a major dropping an album with such hard production...

That's pretty much unfathomable.

its true - most of the hottest rappers now emerged over ten years ago.
Which is one of the main reasons why I don't think there's much of a future. I mean, I grew up on LL Cool J. He had albums and/or singles out every year. And he's still making albums....even though I can't really say that I've been crazy about a lot of them. Same thing with Cube, Dre, Too $hort, Gang Starr etc. These are artists that I was able to rely on for a long time.

hard to say why there's a lack of young mc's coming up. personally, I think it's oversaturation.

now that most of america (which many will read as white america) "accepts" (AKA co-ops hip-rop/rap) there's more than we can absorb. So to the kids in the streets who might have some skill, they might feel like there's no room to blow up or be seen. On the flip side of that, the execs don't see reason to up some 15 year old from the projects when they got studio MC's practically printing $100s in the studio out back.

the only way hip hop is gonna get back, is for the scene to eat itself (which is starting to take place) and some larger labels to back out as it not being commercially viable enough. then you'll see some young upstarts come along and the new def jam or tommy boy will be born.

maybe get a bunch of people together in different major markets, everytime they have a call in your request have people flood the lines with requests for Rakim or Tribe Called Quest.

I agree that the market has become oversaturated. And major labels (not audiences) decide who they want to bring to the foreground, and who's going to remain on the backburner, based simply on image. The Game's a perfect example of how when you have a machine behind you, enough money to buy the hottest producers and a "controversial" back story, you can blow up. No matter how wack you really are.

Hip Hop will never not be commercially viable enough, though. It's only growing in terms of how it's influencing pop culture. Diddy's cologne outsold every men's fragrance by nearly two times upon it's release.

[Qdrop]

I agree that the market has become oversaturated. And major labels (not audiences) decide who they want to bring to the foreground, and who's going to remain on the backburner, based simply on image. The Game's a perfect example of how when you have a machine behind you, enough money to buy the hottest producers and a "controversial" back story, you can blow up. No matter how wack you really are.

Hip Hop will never not be commercially viable enough, though. It's only growing in terms of how it's influencing pop culture. Diddy's cologne outsold every men's fragrance by nearly two times upon it's release.

yeah, talent-wise, hip-hop is no worse off than it was 15-20 years ago...
it's just that the wrong people are moving to the forefront due to image.

it's not like less talented MC's are being born now....like some kind of evolutionary slide....

the talent is there if you feel like getting off your ass and looking for it.

hell, i am so fuckin lazy and off-the-game on current hip-hop knowledge now-a-days, it's pathetic...
but i can still find some good hip-hop with a little effort and an internet search engine.

hip hop is just following it's cultural cues.
when it began...it was mostly about partying....simple rhymes, electro dance beat, every body get down....that's what the inner-city black culture was into at that moment (late 70's-early 80's)...
then hip-hop began to mirror the increasing interest in social issues (primarily race)-thus the rise in intellectually charged rap and socially charged rap...this also opened the door (along with the advancements in sampling) to higher-brow production and turntablism.
then the culture's attention turned to higher crime, gang, drug issues in the community- and gangster rap took over.
by this point, money wasw ROLLING into the hip hop scene...marketing from other industries took note.....and black rappers really started getting rich and franchising themselves. enter the black entrapraneur....and the increased black cultural love affair with riches and materialism. it was no longer cool to just kill people like scarface...but to RUN shit and be rich like scarface too.
so in rolled puffy and master P...and in rolled the rappers talking about material wealth and business ownership.

while that continues....i think that southern music crunk (as much as i hate it) may actually be a GOOD sign....because it shows a return to party hip hop (simplistic rhymes and beats meant to make people party), to it's roots.
perhaps history will continue to repeat itself and socially conscious hip hop is on the horizon once again.

hip hop mainstream just mirrors what the culture is currently concerned with....and that continues to change.

just sit tight.

[korn_phr33k]

i still like the theory of hip hop eating itself up, but i would like something fresh and new.

[saml]

i still like the theory of hip hop eating itself up, but i would like something fresh and new.

your alias automatically disqualifies you from posting in this thread

[saml]

Europe's got UNKLE, Saian Super Crew, Deichkind, Lady Sov, shit. You can listen to OUR music if you get fed up w The Gayme and 50 scent. Worst thing is people like Meth, Jay Z etc. collaborating w Mariah Carrey, J-Lo whoever for those boring, dumb RnB tracks.

unkle is hyped bathing ape bullshit, saian super crew raps in fucking french (OH BUT I LISTEN TO THEM BECAUSE OF THE BEATS MJEHEHE STFU), deichkind? wtf??, lady sov = dyke

[Auton]

awesome ^

[korn_phr33k]

your alias automatically disqualifies you from posting in this thread

yeah yeah yeah, ive already gotten enough crap for my name, gimmie a break it was three years a go.

[Lex Diamonds]

London has a lot of rap talent. Rappers over here don't feel the need to talk shit about their cars and women. All you Americans who refuse to listen to it aren't proving a point, you're just sleeping on genuinely good hip hop. Don't act as if you're some spoilt kid whose had his favourite toy stolen like the music is "yours". Are you black? Are you from New York? Very few, if not none of you are. Dizzee Rascal, Mike Skinner, Roll Deep, Skinnyman, Kano, Sway, Pro Green, Plan B, Roots Manuva, Killa Kela etc. are all better than any of the "rap" dogshit in the US charts at the moment.

Recognise.



ps
Lady Sovereign is shit.

[The Notorious LOL]

Ive heard em and they suck.

[Auton]

I'd take Clipse over any of those "hip hop" acts any day of the week. Hell I'd take 50 cent over 90% of those bozos.

[korn_phr33k]

London has a lot of rap talent. Rappers over here don't feel the need to talk shit about their cars and women. All you Americans who refuse to listen to it aren't proving a point, you're just sleeping on genuinely good hip hop. Don't act as if you're some spoilt kid whose had his favourite toy stolen like the music is "yours". Are you black? Are you from New York? Very few, if not none of you are. Dizzee Rascal, Mike Skinner, Roll Deep, Skinnyman, Kano, Sway, Pro Green, Plan B, Roots Manuva, Killa Kela etc. are all better than any of the "rap" dogshit in the US charts at the moment.

Recognise.



ps
Lady Sovereign is shit.


out of those the only ones i know are Mike Skinner and Dizzee Rascal, i like em. but Roots Manuva sounds familiar too.

[korn_phr33k]

...Hell I'd take 50 cent over 90% of those bozos.

i hope youre kidding.

[Poster Boy]

I like Mike Skinner but I don't consider him rap.

[korn_phr33k]

ive heard him described as a story teller, and i could go with that.

[Auton]

i hope youre kidding.

no, im not. at least his music can be fun to listen to sometimes, which cannot be said about the artists listed above. oh and i like how padster put "rap" in quotation marks like it was a bad thing. shows how completely dense he is.

[thegoodmrbrodie!]

every thread about this new fangled rapping music turns out the same. it's worse than the fucking middle east.

[korn_phr33k]

no, im not. at least his music can be fun to listen to sometimes, which cannot be said about the artists listed above.

why is 50's stuff fun and the other stuff not so much? just want your opinion.

[Lex Diamonds]

no, im not. at least his music can be fun to listen to sometimes, which cannot be said about the artists listed above. oh and i like how padster put "rap" in quotation marks like it was a bad thing. shows how completely dense he is.
I was implying the shit I'm talking about could barely be called rap. Which, seeing as you like it (as well as the fact you couldn't understand the simplicity of what I was saying), says a lot about you you fucking moron.

[Reginald]

I'd like it to fade away now. The majority of albums are uninteresting, and recycled from previous generations. I'm always up for some Kool Keith and Prince Paul though.
Indeed.

[Miho Mingu]

I could go for another Digable Planets. I loved them.

[Lex Diamonds]

I just can't wait for Elton John's rap album to drop. It's gonna be FIYAH, yo. Seriously, he's gonna expose all these fake ass rappers and really shake up the game. Hip-hop will never be the same after MC Rocketman. All hip-hop released up until this point will be known simply as "BE Hip-Hop" (Before Elton).

The Big Cock is coming, watch your back (passage).

[Auton]

I was implying the shit I'm talking about could barely be called rap. Which, seeing as you like it (as well as the fact you couldn't understand the simplicity of what I was saying), says a lot about you you fucking moron.

you're right, i have a hard time understanding really simple people- my bad. have fun listening to your fruity ass uk hip hop that nobody can dance to. i'm sure their lyrics are sick tight awesome, but i dont speak gibberish so i cant understand what they're saying.

[Lex Diamonds]

you're right, i have a hard time understanding really simple people- my bad. have fun listening to your fruity ass uk hip hop that nobody can dance to. i'm sure their lyrics are sick tight awesome, but i dont speak gibberish so i cant understand what they're saying.
Gee pardner, that's reeeeal purdy for ya.

[Auton]

yeah, because american rappers are cowboys. dipshit.

[Lex Diamonds]

yeah, because american rappers are cowboys. dipshit.
The Rappin Duke.

And I was making fun of the fact that you think English people don't speak English well, when you are an AMERICAN. (lmao)

[korn_phr33k]

The Rappin Duke.

And I was making fun of the fact that you think English people don't speak English well, when you are an AMERICAN. (lmao)

i was almost confused by this, but then i re-read it and it makes sense now. got it. just thought i'd share that.

[Auton]

The Rappin Duke.

And I was making fun of the fact that you think English people don't speak English well, when you are an AMERICAN. (lmao)


totally man, enunciating words really sucks!

[SobaViolence]

i like garage and grime.
and i dont get why ppl over here can't get into it.
crunk without the fruity aftertaste

[Lex Diamonds]

Crunk is the worst music ever.

[korn_phr33k]

Crunk is the worst music ever.

i still dont think its quite big enough to become a genre. theres only like two, maybe three producers out there who do it. its just cut time beats with lots of bass. And hyphy's just crunk with old school electro sounds here and there, and (american) rappers you (meaning us amercans) cant understand half the time.

[ggirlballa]

i like garage and grime.
and i dont get why ppl over here can't get into it.
crunk without the fruity aftertaste
i'm getting into it & i've made some of my friends into it too

but the only grime artist who is getting big here is Lady Sov... i like Sov but we need more grime artists than just her....she's getting lots of attention since she's with def jam & blah blah blah

[Lex Diamonds]

Lady Sovereign is one of the worst grime artists. I am very sorry if she is the average American's perception of UK grime. :(

[Auton]

the future is hyphy

[g-mile7]

Thizz. Mac Dre shits on y'all

[Auton]

oh speaking of cowboys, nice dickriding in the attn:auton thread, padster. have you tried rodeos?

[Funkyfreshgrape]

lil' jon style

[ggirlballa]

Lady Sovereign is one of the worst grime artists. I am very sorry if she is the average American's perception of UK grime. :(

thats wut i mean there are better grime artist out there but Lady Sov is the only one (that is getting lots of attention) representing grime here in the U.S

still the screechy high pitched voice sounds hilarious sometimes
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fWtSBjwoXbE

[korn_phr33k]

i wish there was an instrumental and electronica atation here in sac. that would kick ass. and i dont mean the stupid stations who play it from midnight to 2 in the morning.

[The Notorious LOL]

why? Lupe Fiasco is dogshit.

[mickill]

Lupe's a SWAGGER JACKER. I don't know why people fail to see this. I don't mind him, but he's pretty corny.

I could of sworn I seen you make a long ass post called "I Still Listen To Hip Hop" prasing what was coming out.

dude that was maybe 2 months ago ...damn shit done changed quick in your world,

well thiz is my opinion.....hip hop iz coming back and keep and eye out for these 2 artists . Papoose,Sean Price & Lupe Fiasco

West coast is gonna get back on track with the gangsta shit...the new Daz Dillinger Cd is goona be bumpin. Also Snoop just made an ill joint with BReal from Cypress Hill called Vato (y)

South is doing there thing..Slim Thug, T.I. , Paul Wall.

theres some good shit out there....just gotta dig

:D

Nothing's "changed quick in my world". My main points were summarized at the end of the first post; I don't think that there's much of a FUTURE for rap music. And Snoop, Daz and B-Real, are all in their thirties, they're not up and comers. Everyone else you named is in their mid to late twenties. These aren't really young dudes with time to build careers that span twenty or so years like LL, Rakim, Kool G Rap or Dr Dre have.

Anyway, I do listen to a lot of rap still. But I still think that all the artists carrying the majority of the weight are either veterans in the industry or are considerably older than the younger rappers who all seem to pale in comparison to them. Think about all the most heavily anticipated and talked about releases for the next year: Dr Dre, Nas, Jay-Z, Eminem, Snoop, The Game, Saigon, Raekwon, 50, Meth, M.O.P. etc. Up until a couple weeks ago it was Outkast or The Roots. A few months ago it was Ghostface, Cam'ron, Ice Cube etc. With the exception of three of these artists, they've all been around for a minimum of a decade. And apart from Lupe, Saigon and Papoose, no NEW up and coming artists really have much of shot. And it's not even much of shot to begin with.

[Poster Boy]

fuck, we're still talking about this shit?

also, someone explain to me what "hyphy" is.

track examples would be nice. pls and thx

[The Notorious LOL]

Mac Dre - Entire Discography = hyphy

[g-mile7]

man my most FAVORITE rapping group is dead prez

[Otis Driftwood]

Think about all the most heavily anticipated and talked about releases for the next year: Dr Dre, Nas, Jay-Z, Eminem, Snoop, The Game, Saigon, Raekwon, 50, Meth, M.O.P. etc. Up until a couple weeks ago it was Outkast or The Roots. A few months ago it was Ghostface, Cam'ron, Ice Cube etc. With the exception of three of these artists, they've all been around for a minimum of a decade. And apart from Lupe, Saigon and Papoose, no NEW up and coming artists really have much of shot. And it's not even much of shot to begin with.
You might not see the mighty newcomers... eh, coming, that is!

[mickill]

Mac Dre - Entire Discography = hyphy
That's not exactly true. His early albums were nothing like his later ones.

[Ally Al]

well thiz is my opinion.....hip hop iz coming back and keep and eye out for these 2 artists . Papoose,Sean Price & Lupe Fiasco




2 artists ? and you know sean price is hardly new to the game, right ??

[Ally Al]

Papoose, maybe, but sean price ? i like the dude but i can't see him being the next big thing. He had his real shot mid 90's with heltah skeltah, i can't see him surpassing the level of his success he's already acheived. I mean, they weren't that big anyways

For me the problem lies with the consumer, wanting the quick fix, short attention spans, and the record companies always looking for the next big thing, there's no real artist development anymore. Your first single bombs, it's game over basically

[ggirlballa]

fuck, we're still talking about this shit?

also, someone explain to me what "hyphy" is.



hype + fly = hyphy(y) :cool:

[Poster Boy]

hype + fly = hyphy(y) :cool:

yeah, but what's the sound?

[ggirlballa]

yeah, but what's the sound?

fuck i don't know well i do then again its hard to explain :/

[mickill]

yeah, but what's the sound?

example (http://www.dubcnm.com/audio/2006/april/e-40_feat_kanye_west_ice_cube_-_tell_me_when_to_go_remix_(dubcnn).mp3)

[Poster Boy]

example (http://www.dubcnm.com/audio/2006/april/e-40_feat_kanye_west_ice_cube_-_tell_me_when_to_go_remix_(dubcnn).mp3)

ah, thanks.

and yuck.

[xrocketman]

it's seems like it's gonna be impossible to improve and be original from what has already been done in rap.

I mean, Jay-Z and Eminem and a few others have already perfected rapping. How someone expects to top those guys is beyond me.

and we already extensively experimented with different kinds of beats, and borrowed from just about every other genre of music.



im just saying a lots been already done with the genre of rap.

[pshabi]

The future holds nothing else, but confrontation.

[Otis Driftwood]

The future holds nothing else, but confrontation.
Yay, PE STILL f**king rulez!

[korn_phr33k]

I mean, Jay-Z and Eminem and a few others have already perfected rapping. How someone expects to top those guys is beyond me.

what kind of hip hop or rap do you listen to? give me some examples of rappers or artists you like or listen to.

im tired of some rappers not getting any credit for being great mc's just because they dont have an attitude or huge ego or something. i still think gift of gab is a rediculously underrated mc. maybe some people still dont like him but you cant deny his skill.

and just so you know, im not directing this at you particularly, i just get tired of the same examples of "great rappers". but i do think your statement is quite a bold one.

[g-mile7]

Answer: In the fans hand

[Mr. Smacktackle]

i like garage and grime.
and i dont get why ppl over here can't get into it.
crunk without the fruity aftertaste
What are those genres? Is it that stuff Ali G be kickin' in his show?

[Lex Diamonds]

oh speaking of cowboys, nice dickriding in the attn:auton thread, padster. have you tried rodeos?
Speaking of taking internet message boards too seriously...

[saml]

i like garage and grime.
and i dont get why ppl over here can't get into it.
crunk without the fruity aftertaste

because the beats always sounds like crap and all the mc's flow sucks ass

[Freebasser]

Auton and The Padster should start being xenophobic again. That was fun.

[Lex Diamonds]

Auton and The Padster should start being xenophobic again. That was fun.
Shat ap yew Norvern Mankey!

[Freebasser]

Gerroutta mah pab!

[saml]

clipse

[Lo_Lyfe]

jay z= overrated. couple a good albums. sold mad records, but so did britney. gets deep occasionally, but mostly just drops record industry shit that i can never really feels.

redman>jay-z
nas>jay-z
gfk>jay-z

i respect what dude has done. no doubT. reasonable doubt is almost a classic. but i can always name emcees id rather listen to. i dont think he can save hip hop

[Lex Diamonds]

I think Jigga is bigga than those niggas. Except maybe Nas. Nas is legendary. But Jay-Z is special, I see where you coming from I didn't feel his shit at first but when you listen to a lot of his shit and get into his flow and frame of mind you see what he's talking about and it makes sense and plus he's got the raw technical MCing talent. I like him.

[Lo_Lyfe]

I think Jigga is bigga than those niggas. Except maybe Nas. Nas is legendary. But Jay-Z is special, I see where you coming from I didn't feel his shit at first but when you listen to a lot of his shit and get into his flow and frame of mind you see what he's talking about and it makes sense and plus he's got the raw technical MCing talent. I like him.
shit u think i aint listened to dude? its all about who got the most dickryders, and jigga has em. yeah he can rap man. but so can a lot of these cats. a straight-edge (non-backpackin) 36 year old mc will not save rap music.

meth>jay

that said
blueprint>tical 0 lol