i'd like heavy metal if it weren't for the vocals

[Bob]

seriously, i can't stand about 90% of metal bands lead singers voices. it sounds like they're vomiting. are there any bands that have little to no singing? i could get into that.

maybe i'm just not with it, i dunno. maybe i only hear crappy bands. alls i know is i dont likes what i hears

[DroppinScience]

Hmmm... well what have you heard?

[RaZoRbLaDe KiSs]

My guess is your talking about the deep throated screaming type of heavy metal? I have to admit myself, I dont like much of that either, the only acception I make with that type of metal is Trivium, but then there's the classic old stuff like Judas Priest, and King Diamond if you dont mind the screaming, but then there's Iron Maiden. They dont scream, and Ozzy. You just gotta look, there's like.. 20 diffrent types of metal.

[skra75]

I can handle the barfing sounds. actaully, I applaud them. it's the melodic 'system of a down' clone vocals in alot of these bands that make me upset, really.

[Bob]

uh, lots of heavy metal bands that sound like they're vomiting. i dunno, i couldn't give you an a to z list.

and it's not just the vomiting ones, the vocals just annoy me in general. it's like if you're at a concert and someone's just yelling in your ear the whole time, and you can't hear the music. i think it just gets in the way, i dunno.

pantera, let's use pantera as an example. maybe it's better live, i don't know.

i probably have a very loose understanding of what "heavy metal" is, so i don't wanna get too picky about the genre name here


edit to encompass the replies after droppin's

i've been listening to some iron maiden songs i have on my computer, i gotta be honest i kinda like that. i like system of a down too (but less so since they started letting the lead guitarist sing more prominently). dragonforce, i kinda like that too.

but really for the most part i think the vocals just kind of get in the way. i like the intensity of the instrumentals, it's fun, but then you have a guy screaming over it and it just doesn't do it for me.

[DroppinScience]

I for one can't stand that lame-ass "metalcore" or "black metal" stuff (where it's basically just a lot of unintelligible yelling over some relentlessly loud and unlistenable music).

My tastes in whatever you'd call "heavy metal" is pretty selective and is pretty much just the cream of the crop (i.e. Black Sabbath, Led Zeppelin, Guns 'N Roses, Metallica, etc.)

[RaZoRbLaDe KiSs]

See I dont much like System of a down, They're ok, but they dont do much for me. i've never heard Dragonforce even though I hear they're good.
If you dont like the screaming you should try listening to maybe, Stone Sour or something like that. I dont know if they're considered "heavy metal" but they're good. I've never really considered the vocals as "vomiting" it doesnt really seem like it to me, but whatever.
I've always been a fan of 80's hair metal myself, Although by today's standards thats no where close to what they consider to be heavy metal now.

[Bob]

i guess i should clarify why i made this thread, i only sort of hinted at the question:

are there any metal bands (again, using the term loosely) with no vocals?

[DroppinScience]

System of a Down I'd place in that ambiguously defined "alternative metal" category...

[Tzar]

Pantera is a different type of screaming... but i can understand where you're coming from. songs like Suicide Note pt. 2 \m/ will fuck you up.

Pantera are definately thrash metal, Metallica's early days were thrash metal, Slayer are thrash metal, Anthrax are crap.. hahaha..

Metallica's Black Album is what i consider heavy metal.

it is hard to put a pin on what is heavy metal - all the older older bands; sabbath, some zeppelin, judas priest, iron maiden, they're the original heavy metal... then bands like slayer/metallica/testament just all used their formula and made a U.S. type of heavy metal. which pretty much resulted in Thrash.

edit: thinking about it, Pantera are pretty much the only flawless metal band i can think of. made perfect album after another.

[TurdBerglar]

system of a down gets more childish the longer they are around. their first two albums(especially the first) were good. i don't like how the guitarist is taking over.

[Bob]

here's dragonforce for those that haven't heard of them

http://youtube.com/watch?v=GuX2QaEG_8s

they have kind of a gay name and i don't know what the guy's singing about but i bet it's pretty gay too. however once you stop caring about that i think what's left is pretty cool

[yeahwho]

Yeah I don't know, sometimes that over the top ugly screaming with banshee guitars and insane drumming just works. It almost matches those fucked up moods I get into, sort of makes me feel like listening to wimpy stuff again. (y)

[RaZoRbLaDe KiSs]

Metallica's Black Album is what i consider heavy metal.

See, i would consider it heavy metal too, same with Iron Maiden and Judas Priest, those were the bands that MADE heavy metal, but by today's standards, thats not heavy metal at all, even though those were the bands that pretty much started heavy metal.

I dont know, you want metal that has no vocals? I dont know of any, and the closest I could tell you is Trivium, because a lot of their stuff is just music, but then the vocals are pretty much everything you hate.

[yeahwho]

here's dragonforce for those that haven't heard of them

http://youtube.com/watch?v=GuX2QaEG_8s

they have kind of a gay name and i don't know what the guy's singing about but i bet it's pretty gay too. however once you stop caring about that i think what's left is pretty cool

those are some pretty ugly chicks

[Bob]

those are some pretty ugly chicks

i don't know how you can tell though, after the ROCK MELTS YOUR FACE

[yeahwho]

i don't know how you can tell though, after the ROCK MELTS YOUR FACE

I can just barely make them out (http://www.edge.ca/shared/corus_content/cfnyfm/images/general_content/ugly_scott_meltedfacemakeup.jpg), flat and ugly is all I'm seeing..

[Tzar]

a band is not heavy metal if a keyboard is involved... personal opinion.

[TurdBerglar]

sabbath used keyboards

[Tzar]

well fuck you too then

[Miho Mingu]

See my metal thread for recommendations. (http://beastieboys.com/bbs/showthread.php?t=69731)

Do what I did. Preview as much metal bands as you can read about on the internet. Myspace is a good tool for this, as there are band pages where you can listen to music from. Off the top of my head, check out Falconer, Edguy, Pagan's Mind, Angra, Shadow Gallery, Elvenking, and Ayreon. Some of those are power metal and folk metal bands, but none of it is thrash metal, which is what you were talking about, uncontrollable screaming. I don't care for it myself, but for some reason, I like when the band, Strapping Young Lad scream in such a way. It could have to do with the fact that Devin Townsend is a fucking metal god. :-P

[Miho Mingu]

here's dragonforce for those that haven't heard of them

http://youtube.com/watch?v=GuX2QaEG_8s

they have kind of a gay name and i don't know what the guy's singing about but i bet it's pretty gay too. however once you stop caring about that i think what's left is pretty cool

I hadn't gotten around to checking them out, but I watched that, and I liked them. Thanks for the video. Power metal is fun.

[pshabi]

My guess is your talking about the deep throated screaming type of heavy metal? I have to admit myself, I dont like much of that either, the only acception I make with that type of metal is Trivium, but then there's the classic old stuff like Judas Priest, and King Diamond if you dont mind the screaming, but then there's Iron Maiden. They dont scream, and Ozzy. You just gotta look, there's like.. 20 diffrent types of metal.
I guess I've only heard crappy, shitty, poopy, and fucking terrible. Only 16 more to go!

[Tzar]

bob,

check out Kamelot...

March of Mephisto is a top song. (y)

[korn_phr33k]

you said you dont like it cause you can understand it. but how about rammstein? i cant understand a word they say (well a few) but one reason i like em is cause theyre still really heavy, but the singer does sing, not to bad either. just a suggestion.

[Drederick Tatum]

Rammstein are a joke...their live show is awesome though. pyro rules.

[korn_phr33k]

Rammstein are a joke...their live show is awesome though. pyro rules.

why dont you like em necessarily?

[sercomdj01]

Its the gay dungeons and dragons lyrics that turns me off

[chrisd]

I'd like munchkins, if it weren't for the bubbles

[camo]

seriously, i can't stand about 90% of metal bands lead singers voices. it sounds like they're vomiting. are there any bands that have little to no singing? i could get into that.

maybe i'm just not with it, i dunno. maybe i only hear crappy bands. alls i know is i dont likes what i hears

you need to listen to post hardcore and post whatever else they wanna make up. There's alot more melodies in the singing. Check out bands like exit 10

[Drederick Tatum]

why dont you like em necessarily?

their lyrics are awful and they have a slight fascist tone about them.

[QueenAdrock]

where it's basically just a lot of unintelligible yelling over some relentlessly loud and unlistenable music


...says the guy who loves Black Flag.
























































I KID! Don't kill me.:o

[QueenAdrock]

i guess i should clarify why i made this thread, i only sort of hinted at the question:

are there any metal bands (again, using the term loosely) with no vocals?

Dream Theater, for the most part. They do 20-minute long songs too. Some of it is pretty good.

[Freebasser]

All the people who play in these bands go home and play warhammer 3000 at night.

[DroppinScience]

...says the guy who loves Black Flag.

Dude, those metalcore bands got NOTHING on Black Flag. :mad:

[Planetary]

there's like.. 20 diffrent types of metal.
and they're all equally shite

[Rock]

GnR and Zeppelin aren't heavy metal you idiots. They are just rock.

And Tzar....you are going to burn for calling Anthrax crap.

[korn_phr33k]

their lyrics are awful and they have a slight fascist tone about them.

well like i said, i personally cant understand enough to care, but if its true that theyre lyrics suck then, well, i guess they suck. but right now i dont know any other band thats pretty heavy and has singing instead of screaming. if theres any out there anyone could recommend thatd be great.

p.s. what would orgy count as? metal? or weird rock? or what?

[DIGI]

Bob, check out CONVERGE. They're from Boston and I'm sure you'll hate them.(y)

Piss on these other turds tellin you to listen to shit bands.

[DIGI]

GnR and Zeppelin aren't heavy metal you idiots. They are just rock.

And Tzar....you are going to burn for calling Anthrax crap.


Tzar is a fucking retard when it comes to metal. I bet he's listening to St. Anger right now.

[DroppinScience]

GnR and Zeppelin aren't heavy metal you idiots. They are just rock.

We can debate whether GNR can fall under metal (which they can), but Zeppelin are one of the key originators of metal. It's just that metal turned a lot more heavier after them. But they (along with Sabbath) set the wheels in motion, so that's beyond debate.

[mickill]

Yeah, I don't think anyone other than the gays consider Zeppelin metal. That's like calling Dolemite a rapper.

If Bob's talking about bands like Dilinger Escape Plan, I know exactly what he means. Those kind of vocals ruin perfectly good music.

[Rock]

We can debate whether GNR can fall under metal (which they can), but Zeppelin are one of the key originators of metal. It's just that metal turned a lot more heavier after them. But they (along with Sabbath) set the wheels in motion, so that's beyond debate.
yeah...ok...sure...whatever you say.

[DIGI]

We can debate whether GNR can fall under metal (which they can)

Pffffffhht, are you serious?

Shit, Rock. You're too quick.

[Rock]

are you referring to my debating skills that I showed above or my quick reply?

either way. GnR and Zeppelin aren't metal. Either you get it, or you don't. And I get it.

[DroppinScience]

Sabbath and Zep begat Metal, but they aren't Metal. Neither is Guns and Roses.

Are you fucking kidding me? Black Sabbath -- THE metal band -- isn't metal? Now you guys are just going too far. :rolleyes:

[DroppinScience]

I didn't want to do this, but you forced me...

Of all rock & roll's myriad forms, heavy metal is the most extreme in terms of volume, machismo, and theatricality. There are numerous stylistic variations on heavy metal's core sound, but they're all tied together by a reliance on loud, distorted guitars (usually playing repeated riffs) and simple, pounding rhythms. Heavy metal has been controversial nearly throughout its existence -- critics traditionally dismissed the music as riddled with over-the-top adolescent theatrics, and conservative groups have often protested what they perceive as evil lyrical content. Still, despite -- or perhaps because of -- those difficulties, heavy metal has become one of the most consistently popular forms of rock music ever created, able to adapt to the times yet keep its core appeal intact. For all its status as America's rebellion soundtrack of choice, heavy metal was largely a British creation. The first seeds of heavy metal were sown in the British blues movement of the '60s, specifically among bands who found it hard to adjust to the natural swing of American blues. The rhythms became more squared-off, and the amplified electric instruments became more important, especially with the innovations of artists like the Kinks, the Who, Jimi Hendrix, Cream, and the Jeff Beck Group. Arguably the first true metal band, however, was Led Zeppelin. Initially, Zep played blues tunes heavier and louder than anyone ever had, and soon created an epic, textured brand of heavy rock that drew from many musical sources. Less subtle but perhaps even more influential was Black Sabbath, whose murky, leaden guitar riffs created a doomy fantasy world obsessed with drugs, death, and the occult. Following the blueprint laid down by Zep and Sabbath, several American bands modified heavy metal into more accessible forms during the '70s: the catchy tunes and outrageous stage shows of Alice Cooper and Kiss; the sleazy boogie of Aerosmith; and the flashy guitar leads and wild party rock of Van Halen (not to mention the distinctively minimalist grooves of Australia's AC/DC). In the late '70s, a cache of British bands dubbed the New Wave of British Heavy Metal (including Judas Priest, Iron Maiden, and Motorhead) started playing metal faster, leaner, and with more menace than ever before. They helped influence a new American metal scene known as thrash in the '80s, which took shape as a reaction to metal's new mainstream pop breakthrough, which came courtesy of Def Leppard's Pyromania. Metal enjoyed its greatest presence on the charts during the '80s, thanks to a raft of glammed-up pop-metal bands, but thrash bands played complex riffs at breakneck speed, sometimes dispensing with vocal melody altogether. Thrashers like Metallica and Megadeth built rabid cult followings that pushed them into the mainstream around the same time that grunge wiped pop-metal off the charts. Mainstream metal in the '90s centered around a new hybrid called alternative metal, which (in its most commercially potent form) combined grinding thrash and grunge influences with hip-hop and industrial flourishes, though it broke with metal's past in downplaying the importance of memorable riffs. Meanwhile, the underground grew harsher and bleaker, producing two similar, thrash-derived styles known as death metal and black metal, which produced some of the most abrasive, intense, hyperspeed music and graphic shock tactics the metal world had yet witnessed.

[mickill]

Dear Lord, why? Seriously.

[Rock]

im sure wikipedia has them listed too. So it just has to be true.
Plus it says "arguably" and mentions them playing "heavy ROCK". You will never be able to make me think Zeppelin are heavy metal or even spawned it.

and yeah...Sabbath is definitely metal. We can agree on that.

[DroppinScience]

Ok yeah, it says "arguably" which means we can argue over it.

Which means we both can be right then. ;)

[saz]

seriously, i can't stand about 90% of metal bands lead singers voices. it sounds like they're vomiting. are there any bands that have little to no singing? i could get into that.

maybe i'm just not with it, i dunno. maybe i only hear crappy bands. alls i know is i dont likes what i hears

you should try stoner metal. much more of a groove going on, ie melodic and psychedelic. atomic bitchwax are pretty cool. i'm not a big metal fan myself, but i really respect the musicianship and abilities of those in metal bands.


allmusic.com is great for a beginning or reference point, in terms of releases and what not...but a lot of their ratings and information is just plain wrong.

[RaZoRbLaDe KiSs]

you said you dont like it cause you can understand it. but how about rammstein? i cant understand a word they say (well a few) but one reason i like em is cause theyre still really heavy, but the singer does sing, not to bad either. just a suggestion.


Seeing as how thier songs are all in German.. I could see how you couldnt understand them...

[korn_phr33k]

i do think led zeppelin had a big part in the introduction of "heavier" rock though. but no, i wouldnt consider them "heavy metal".

[sercomdj01]

Faith no more. Mike patton has amazing vocals. Check em out bob (y)

OOOO! I like dillinger escape plan despite the noise :o

[DIGI]

Or Mr. Bungle/Tomahawk/Peeping Tom

[korn_phr33k]

Or Mr. Bungle/Tomahawk/Peeping Tom

you consider peeping tom metal?

[Drederick Tatum]

well like i said, i personally cant understand enough to care, but if its true that theyre lyrics suck then, well, i guess they suck. but right now i dont know any other band thats pretty heavy and has singing instead of screaming. if theres any out there anyone could recommend thatd be great.

p.s. what would orgy count as? metal? or weird rock? or what?

leave Orgy well alone. while they're not really metal, Kyuss are real heavy and the added bonus that they rule hard compels you to check them out.

[DIGI]

you consider peeping tom metal?


No, if you read the post above mine, you would see sercombj talking about faith no more.

Do you consider Korn good music?

[korn_phr33k]

leave Orgy well alone. while they're not really metal, Kyuss are real heavy and the added bonus that they rule hard compels you to check them out.

according to amazon.com orgy is classified as "alt-industrial". i liked their first two albums, but the third one completely sucked like no other.

as for kyuss, it was ok based on the samples provided by amazon.com, i listened to ...And The Circus Leaves Town. it was alright for what it is, kinda reminded me a little of QOTSA, then i started reading..... it wasnt the type of rock or metal that just grabs me and pulls me in quickly. i guess i could say im not so much into "traditional metal" sound if you know what i mean. i lean more to the industrial side with stuff like NIN and manson and other stuff closer to the electronic side like Artificial Soldier, massive attack, and amon tobin. i also like lots of mike pattons odd side projects too.

[korn_phr33k]

No, if you read the post above mine, you would see sercombj talking about faith no more.

Do you consider Korn good music?

not as much as i did 3 years ago. theres worse groups though.

[Bob]

All the people who play in these bands go home and play warhammer 3000 at night.

warhammer 40k jesus freebasser get with it

and yeah mickill, dillenger escape plan is a pretty good example of the kind of vocals i'm talking about. although to be honest, even the rest of it is a little too angry and random for my blood, but yeah, its' that kind of bloody throat screaming that i'm not really into

[DroppinScience]

kinda reminded me a little of QOTSA

Well, that could be because Josh Homme and Nick Oliveri were also in Kyuss. ;)

[korn_phr33k]

Well, that could be because Josh Homme and Nick Oliveri were also in Kyuss. ;)

yeah i figured that out a little later.:D

[Documad]

I don't like metal, but I do like hard rock.

I think that most of the major music writers/publications give Jimmy Page (as a producer of Zeppelin more than as a member of the band) credit for inspiring what ultimately became metal. It's not something I've been interested in, but I've read it dozens of times. Something about how he turned up the bass? Perhaps Zeppelin only inspired hair metal? :confused: You are some mean bastards.

I always liked the voice of the lead singer in Scorpions. Fuck you if they're no more metal than Aerosmith. :p I needed to disclose that embarrassing secret.

[Freebasser]

warhammer 40k jesus freebasser get with it

Are you wearing a pantera t-shirt by any chance, Bob?

[DroppinScience]

The author even say Sabbath INFLUENCED metal. Sabbath is not metal.

Dude, when I walk into ANY record store (from the monster corporate chain record stores to the small indie mom and pop record shops) and go into their metal section, I've only seen Black Sabbath in the metal section. Never in the pop/rock section. Never in punk. Never in jazz. Never in rap. Nowhere else BUT in the metal section.

You're the very first to suggest they aren't metal.

[Ally Al]

i see what you're saying but i personally have never seen sabbath as a metal band. Certainly not initially because there was no such thing at the time. Their later stuff maybe and probably the whole blizzard of oz thing, but then the music had been categorised. I think the true beginnings of metal lie with likes of judas priest and so on, the groups who totally lost the blues element out of the sound that the other rock groups had.

[dave790]

Rammstein are a joke...their live show is awesome though. pyro rules.

Rammsteain are fucking hilarious! That America song and video...good lord, I like how they don't take an awful lot too seriously. And their live show is pretty exceptional. All this and I don't even own an album, but I've been tempted.

And I'd definitely say Deftones have had their moments over the years. The singer (er Chino M..??) screams a fair bit but it's all part of what I think is a damn good delivery.

[korn_phr33k]

And I'd definitely say Deftones have had their moments over the years. The singer (er Chino M..??) screams a fair bit but it's all part of what I think is a damn good delivery.

the only album i hav of theirs is the one with the skull on the cover and i just cant seem to get into it. once again i like the bass, gutars, and drums, but the "singing" just ruins it for me, he always seems to be in a different key wailing about. and super whiney sounding, like hes on the verge of tears.

[dave790]

Check out Bored or something, a little variation in that one. Fair enough though mate, I'm not a huge fan... certain songs I'm well into though, and I guess the whinyness doesn't bother me.

[Documad]

I don't believe I've ever been in a record store that had a "metal" section. They lump pop and rock together and it's in there.

[Reginald]

Queensryche has the best vocals for a heavy metal band.

[RaZoRbLaDe KiSs]

Queensryche has the best vocals for a heavy metal band.


I dunno, I seen Queensryche on tour with Judas Priest, and they're ok, dont get me wrong, but their vocals are nothing compared to Rob Halfords.

[Reginald]

I dunno, I seen Queensryche on tour with Judas Priest, and they're ok, dont get me wrong, but their vocals are nothing compared to Rob Halfords.
Queensryche, Iron Maiden, and Judas Priest have the best vocals for heavy metal bands.

[RaZoRbLaDe KiSs]

I agree with Iron Maiden and Judas Priest, but I dont know about Queensryche, I dont know why, I just wasnt that fond of them. I'd put King Diamond before them...

[Miho Mingu]

Gamma Ray is a good metal band from Germany.

[Tzar]

Tzar is a fucking retard when it comes to metal. I bet he's listening to St. Anger right now.
pahahah who are you, cunt?

the anthrax comment was tongue-in-cheek. i STILL don't understand why they are labelled the greatest speed metal on the planet.

[ericlee]

Bob, with all seriousness, I highly recommend Corrosion of Conformity to you.

They are hard as cement and there is no screaming whatsoever from the lead singer.

Go to youtube and just type in Corrosion of Conformity and give them a listen. You will love them and thats honest to god.

[DIGI]

pahahah who are you, cunt?



I'm the fuckin' man, that's who.

Nice lip ring, Good Tzarlotte.

[Tzar]

the only shit you can hang on me about my metal opinion is metallica?

c'mon... you're better than that, aren't ya?

[ericlee]

They'd probably be more classified as stoner rock rather than heavy metal but, Nebula rocks hard and there's no harsh hocker clearance of the throat whilst singing.

I'd think you'd like them too Bob.