Uh so hey remember when I was making a movie a while ago

[DandyFop]

Well I finally posted it online. It looks like shit becuase the DVD rip combinedwith YouTube makes it look like crap. But whatever.

It's not very good in hindsight, but to be truthfull, it was a billion times better/more entertaining than the rest of my class. Wow they must suck then huh.

Okay lolz...here...be kind :(

OH P.S. - Make sure to watch the credits...you might just see two BBMB names in the thanks section

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3BP7R0C4UG0

[The Notorious LOL]

I bet one of em is mine. (!) :) (y)

[DandyFop]

omg...it isn't...I'm sorry :( ...it was Penny's fault...

[zorra_chiflada]

i love the couple with they guy who is all into collecting dolls, and his wife seems pissed about it. he's all "you want a doll for christmas?" "no, how about something different this year" i liked it :)

[ET]

"Girls just wanna have fun that's what she looks like!!! Ahuhuh!"

Haha, he would bang that doll.

[ggirlballa]

i like the name...most people wud just name it DOLLS...haha

[The Notorious LOL]

omg...it isn't...I'm sorry :( ...it was Penny's fault...



:mad:

[Bob]

OH P.S. - Make sure to watch the credits...you might just see two BBMB names in the thanks section

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3BP7R0C4UG0

BUT ONLY IF YOU'RE MS. PEACHY OR MICKILL, OTHERWISE YOU'RE WASTING YOUR TIME

i don't care if i didn't contribute, every movie should list me in the credits

seriously though, i liked it. if somebody came up to me and said "hey, watch this documentary about dolls" i'd be all "fuck you faggot", but i liked this. i particularly enjoyed how all the couples you interviewed sat so far apart from each other on the couch. the asian lady seemed particularly unenthused.

the old guy was a hoot. did he say "shit bricks" at some point?

[Bob]

if somebody came up to me and said "hey, watch this documentary about dolls" i'd be all "fuck you faggot", but i liked this.


by they way, if you ever release this on DVD you should probably use quote this as a review

[ggirlballa]

by they way, if you ever release this on DVD you should probably use quote this as a review

if somebody came up to me and said "hey, watch this documentary about dolls" i'd be all "fuck you faggot", but i liked this

hahahahahahahahaha

[Documad]

Wow. I'm really impressed. It looks so professional. The production values look great. Wow. I think it's just amazing that you can do that. I think you were editing when I started posting in BF.

I remember when you started the thread for musical ideas. It's so cool that they chose to be listed by their board names. :p

My sister is a doll collector -- not quite as scary as those people. She only collects old dolls, which is slightly cooler than these people. But the old guy had one of my sister's old dolls.

[Bob]

Wow. I'm really impressed. It looks so professional. The production values look great. Wow. I think it's just amazing that you can do that. I think you were editing when I started posting in BF.

yeah, seriously. shut the fuck up about the whole "it looks like shit" thing, no it doesn't. for a while i thought i was actually watching a documentary, and not some thing that someone i know from the internet made

honestly, good work. you should be proud :)

[Documad]

Dandyfop, if you come back: How do you interview the people so that you're not in the movie? I've seen professional documentaries where you're always aware of the filmmaker and it bugs me. You didn't have any of that. (y)

[jabumbo]

lol


i stopped bothering you about that a long time ago


(y)

[ericlee]

I FUCKING HATED IT

you're so doing push ups till you puke soldier....

Good job Dandy(y)

Where's the blowup dolls though?

[The Notorious LOL]

omg...it isn't...I'm sorry :( ...it was Penny's fault...



nevermind, I thought this was the other thing you were doing so this wouldnt even warrant a thank you lol

[ToucanSpam]

Congrats DandyFop


youre an alright gal, you have a level head


peace not war.

[paul jones]

Well I finally posted it online. It looks like shit becuase the DVD rip combinedwith YouTube makes it look like crap. But whatever.

It's not very good in hindsight, but to be truthfull, it was a billion times better/more entertaining than the rest of my class. Wow they must suck then huh.

Okay lolz...here...be kind :(

OH P.S. - Make sure to watch the credits...you might just see two BBMB names in the thanks section

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3BP7R0C4UG0
(y) (y) (y) (y)

get on a plane and come make a film about me getting drunk in my local pub

[Bob]

(y) (y) (y) (y)

get on a plane and come make a film about me getting drunk in my local pub

honestly, judging from all your sureshots posts, that might not be a terrible movie

considering the fact that you seem to hang out with famous people all the time and such

[DandyFop]

i love the couple with they guy who is all into collecting dolls, and his wife seems pissed about it. he's all "you want a doll for christmas?" "no, how about something different this year" i liked it :)


Yeah, that was probably my favorite part. Seriously, there's so much stuff that happened 'behind the scenes', that a commentary track for this movie would rule. All of those people are their own seperate brand of crazy.

The "Doll Lady" with the Raggedy Annes - when you see all those dolls on her bed - THAT'S HER BED! The shot of her husband when his name comes up, it's from when he's telling me about how every night, they have to roll it down to get all the dolls off. I couldn't use that part because I had no audio, but yeah, fuckin' nuts.

The old guy was originally who the film was going to be about. I wish there was a better shot of the Doll Hospital, because it's the scariest looking fucking thing EVER. I would always drive by it and it looked so crazy, so I finally went in and talked to him and decided I would do it about the shop. When I realized that it was more his mom who was into dolls than he is (his dad had just died and his mom didn't want to be interviewed, I never even met her), I knew that I had to find other people to be in the film. Almost none of his stuff was usefull for the film, and I have a lot of footage of him talking about being on acid in San Francisco and shit like that.

The guy with the wife is probably my favorite because she was not into it AT ALL. It was totally his thing. And for a moment I show the room where he has the orange stuff - he collected orange things. ANYTHING ORANGE. He had a box full of orange pens. He made me shut off the camera to show me his collection of orange watches because he was afraid that someone would see if and realize he had valuables and break into his house (the dolls....???). Yeah...

[DandyFop]

i like the name...most people wud just name it DOLLS...haha

Yes, the name is genius, thanks to one of our resident geniuses, Ms. Peachy! She came up with it.



the old guy was a hoot. did he say "shit bricks" at some point?

Yeah, his audio all sucked, but I had to try and get that in there. He says "if I broke this my mother would shit bricks". He also talked about, at one point, how "men collect guns and women collect dolls", which I found to be a random thing, but then the "doll lady", HER HUSBAND COLLECTS GUNS. No joke. I could never find a way to fit it into the movie though.

Wow. I'm really impressed. It looks so professional. The production values look great. Wow. I think it's just amazing that you can do that. I think you were editing when I started posting in BF.

I remember when you started the thread for musical ideas. It's so cool that they chose to be listed by their board names. :p



Wow, thank you. That really means a lot seriously. I see a lot of flaws in it, but as long as it doesn't bug everyone else then who cares! Yeah I was using a $50,000 camera from school so that's why it looks somewhat professional. I also killed myself editing it though and I am happy with the sequence, etc.

Peachy and Mickill didn't even really choose to be listed, I just put them up there!

Dandyfop, if you come back: How do you interview the people so that you're not in the movie? I've seen professional documentaries where you're always aware of the filmmaker and it bugs me. You didn't have any of that. (y)

It's really easy, you just ask them to answer in complete sentences and all that shit. My teacher was the biggest douchebag and insisted that everyone use voiceover - he thought I needed to voiceover to make it "personal" and connect me with the dolls. I was like, fuck that shit, I don't like dolls, THESE people do. I resisted, but a lot of people put in voiceover cause he told them to, and it really sucked in most of them. I'm glad I avoided that.


This is fun, it's like being at Sundance where the film maker is asked all these questions afterwards lololz. I actually have thought about submitting it to some festivals, Slamdance or something cause they're more ghetto than Sundance.

[Drederick Tatum]

extremely well done.

[Poster Boy]

I can't watch it cuz I'm at work but I'd just like to give props for even doing a documentary. I fucking hated docs when I had to do them in school. In fact, the only one I did was a behind the scenes "making-of" of the narrative I did.

I shalt check it out soon.

[Beckalina]

"Girls just wanna have fun that's what she looks like!!! Ahuhuh!"

Haha, he would bang that doll.
HA HA, I thought that too.

excellent Dandyfop, I really enjoyed it. (y)

[ScarySquirrel]

That was a really well done job, I've got to admit.

You always know documentaries are really well done when something that you're totally not interested in becomes interesting... and that did it for me. On the real. Keep posting more ish if you've got it!

[Helvete]

Couldn't you have made a documentary about guns or porn or something?

[befsquire]

wow. i can't believe someone i "know" made that! i could never do something that impressive.

i really, really liked it. at first, i was all "crap, 8 minutes, i need to be making waffles" but it went really quick.

very well done, brabs.

and how'd you find these freaky people? through the doll hospital?

[Southside Sue]

Does that old gay say "shit bricks"? Aw, man... My sister and I were crackin' up, and then it sparked us to go and look up voodoo dolls. The couple were funny, too.

Overall, I think you did a really good job. The editing's nice, blablabla. I liked it. :")

[ET]

Yeah, I have to agree that voiceovers in docs almost always seem forced. Unless you're ultra camera friendly or you're involved in the events that the documentary is about then the film maker should never be shown on camera. I think any shots of you (hottt!) or any voice overs (um, as long as you don't do your annoying laugh ;)) would have taken away from the overall creepiness of the film.

You really could have made more fun of these people via editing but the genius part is that they're doing it to themselves. I know that slicing everything together perfectly is a pain in the ass and I can see you put a lot of work into it. I can see this playing between films on the Sundance channel.

[TAL]

Page 2!

I liked the movie, but not the dolls.

[cosmo105]

that was great! your editing was perfect, the timing was hilarious. i knew it would come out awesome, and it did. way to go, barbface!

[Helvete]

It was a bit scary actually. I find dolls unnerving.

[Documad]

Your teacher is a moron. I hate voiceover in documentaries unless it's like Supersize Me and the movie is all about the director. I always thought that voiceover was a lame way out for people who can't figure out how to tell a story without it.

[DandyFop]

and how'd you find these freaky people? through the doll hospital?

There's like 4 doll stores that I had found in the phonebook, so I went to them and put up some flyers that just said like "want to be in a documentary and show off your collection?". Someone I worked with knew the dollmaker, the guy with the wife sent me an email when he read my flyer, and the other woman, one of the people at the shops gave me her number.

There were two women, one who repaired dolls and another who owned a doll store, that I really tried to get to be in it, but one didn't have time and the other did NOT want to be on film. But I'm glad I didn't have to deal with trying to fit anyone else in (the old guy almost didn't make it in because his stuff was so useless, but I had to get him in cause he's so funny).

[DandyFop]

Yeah, I have to agree that voiceovers in docs almost always seem forced. Unless you're ultra camera friendly or you're involved in the events that the documentary is about then the film maker should never be shown on camera. I think any shots of you (hottt!) or any voice overs (um, as long as you don't do your annoying laugh ;)) would have taken away from the overall creepiness of the film.

You really could have made more fun of these people via editing but the genius part is that they're doing it to themselves. I know that slicing everything together perfectly is a pain in the ass and I can see you put a lot of work into it. I can see this playing between films on the Sundance channel.

Yeah, there was no way in a million years I would do a voiceover. It obviously speaks for itself. That would have been taking the easy way out, because I could explain everything that way and just show whatever I wanted.

You do hear my voice at the very beginning of course, when the girl says "I want lots of Barbies" and I say "My name is Barbie".....hah but that's not much. Seriously though, that girl is a CLONE of me when I was a child. She looks/sounds/acts just like I did and it's frightening.




Anyway, all of you guys, thank you SO much for your positive words. You have no idea how much it means to me, to have worked so hard on something, and actually hear that it was worth it. The job I have now as a production assistant on a documentary, the director really liked it too. As a result of realizing that maybe it doesn't suck I think I've decided to submit it to a festival and see what happens. Slamdance or Sundance. I could try both actually but it's pretty expensive because it would be the "late" deadline so I'd be shelling out 100 bucks for an entry fee. Probably be worth it though...Last year I some short docs at Sundance that were an absolute snoozefest.

[Dr Deaf]

nice work. i liked the music, it really added to the professionalism of the piece.

was it hard not to incorporate hole: doll parts?

i'd think it would have been.

at 05:59 that doll has an uncanny resemblance to you, trippy.

how much raw footage did you start with?

did you also design packaging and / or posters to accompany the submission?

[Documad]

I have no idea how it works but it's certainly worth a try.

My friend's girlfriend did a short film about herself that she got into a few festivals. Her festivals might have been lesbian festivals though.

[Yorkshire~Rose]

Dandy, that was great! (y) The doll hospital...that sign with the 'severed' doll head! And the shitting bricks comment - too funny.

You should be so proud of this - excellent stuff. :)

[DandyFop]

nice work. i liked the music, it really added to the professionalism of the piece.

was it hard not to incorporate hole: doll parts?

i'd think it would have been.

at 05:59 that doll has an uncanny resemblance to you, trippy.

how much raw footage did you start with?

did you also design packaging and / or posters to accompany the submission?

Someone suggested that Hole song but it didn't really work with what I was doing.

Someone asked me recently how much footage I had to cut it down from and I'm trying really hard to remember (I finished this in the beginning of 05 after months of work). Umm... maybe 15 hours or so? Probably a little less.

I just barely decided to submit yesterday, and I won't make any posters,etc. untill I know if it got in or not. Then if it does I'll have to spend some dough on marketing it so people will actually see it at the festival (if I am lucky, it would play before a feature, instead of one of the short programs, but either way, whatever). The people who you are submitting it to, they don't want anything with it, they just want to see the film.

[na§tee]

very nice! super professional, humorous, entertaining, what everyone else said!

i am super jealous! i am in the middle of trying to write a short film atm (but i am gonna go ghetto stylee on mini-dv and final cut pro, none of this 16mm biz-nass) and i am finding it quite hard (and pretty un-motivational) to start writing and putting script to screen. documentaries are so much easier to get started with but can be a little hit or miss depending on the awesomeness of your subject. but you hit the right spot there, so well done! i was working with a buncha documentary makers the weekend before last and it was amazing the breadth of stuff they were working on: transsexuals in india, the history of sound, those crazy japanese kids who stay inside their bedrooms all day and play computer games, secret military bases in greenland, etc etc etc. cool.

i will say with festivals etc i am pretty sure you would need clearance for your music rights, is that true? because frank sinatra don't come cheap!

in red road (out on october 27th, uk peeps! GO SEE IT AND SEE ME BEING TURKISH ON A BUS!) they used neil diamond's sweet caroline in the background of a wedding, a really pivotal scene, and it sorta became the theme song for the whole movie. anyway, they used it before they got permission and it turns out it is too expensive to use! can you imagine? a cannes prize-winning film and it's too expensive? i guess that's independent film-making for yah. so they will have to edit sound etc etc and do some high tech wizardry thurr. och well!

[mickill]

That was excellent. And I hate dolls. They creep the hell out of me. But that was very well done. I especially liked the editing.

I can't remember what I did to deserve the thanks in the credits, but I'm proud to have my nom de plume attached to this.

[mickill]

Oh, wait. Was it the Elvis song?

[DandyFop]

very nice! super professional, humorous, entertaining, what everyone else said!

i am super jealous! i am in the middle of trying to write a short film atm (but i am gonna go ghetto stylee on mini-dv and final cut pro, none of this 16mm biz-nass) and i am finding it quite hard (and pretty un-motivational) to start writing and putting script to screen. documentaries are so much easier to get started with but can be a little hit or miss depending on the awesomeness of your subject.

i will say with festivals etc i am pretty sure you would need clearance for your music rights, is that true? because frank sinatra don't come cheap!



Well this wasn't the 16 mm film, that's still sitting in a locker waiting to be edited at some point (read: maybe never). Documentaries may be easier to start, but for me, a whole hell of a different story when it comes to editing, because at least with a narrative you have a script. This shit's just like..well...how the fuck do I put this story together?

As far as the music goes, both slam and sundance slyly say "we don't check to see if you have your music rights". Many people just get "festival rights" which are either free or very cheap. I'm not planning on really trying to figure that isht out unless I get into a festival. The only song that's really needed is the Elvis one (mickill, you suggested it, that's what the thanks is for!). All the stuff underneath is old big band stuff but I could easily find someone to compose some tunes for it. I guess we'll see!

[DandyFop]

Oh, wait. Was it the Elvis song?
;)

[na§tee]

i didn't say documentaries were easier to do.. just easier to get started if you have the right subject. the characters will write themselves. yes it is more difficult once you get into it and have to start a whole linear a > b shiznat, but if you say "hey.. chocolate cake is interesting, imma make a documentary about chocolate cake!" that is easier than saying "i'm going to make a short film about chocolate cake. what should my protagonist do with the chocolate cake to make it interesting and not cheesy like all the other chocolate cake stuff before?" uhm, it makes more sense in my head.

and i wasn't directing the 16mm reference to your film. i just meant as an alternative.. to me.

[DandyFop]

i didn't say documentaries were easier to do.. just easier to get started if you have the right subject. the characters will write themselves. yes it is more difficult once you get into it and have to start a whole linear a > b shiznat, but if you say "hey.. chocolate cake is interesting, imma make a documentary about chocolate cake!" that is easier than saying "i'm going to make a short film about chocolate cake. what should my protagonist do with the chocolate cake to make it interesting and not cheesy like all the other chocolate cake stuff before?" uhm, it makes more sense in my head.

and i wasn't directing the 16mm reference to your film. i just meant as an alternative.. to me.

Oh yes yes, I didn't know if I'd talked to you about the 16mm I was making, s'all. I spent so much money onthat thing blahhhh!!! Let's just face it - making any film is hard. The hard thing I've had with narratives is the acting. I've never made a serious film, ever, because I just find too much random funny shit to have people do, and then they overdo it, and it looks hokey. Hah! I'm trying to write a script too, and jesus it's a pain in the buttocks.

[na§tee]

maybe we should combine our bollocks-ness and make a trans-atlantic documentary about two people united in our love for staring at a blank final draft screen and, um, eating chocolate cake?

i tells ya, there's a market for that stuff. we can send each other video diaries. tal would most likely want to see your torso rubbed in spongey chocolately goodness though. he'll be a financier!

good luck with everything, surriously (y).

[DandyFop]

fuck now I want chocolate cake

[na§tee]

you should, like, totally check out the "what's for tea?" thread in sureshots. i hear that's some good shit over thurr!

[TAL]

All the stuff underneath is old big band stuff
Jerry?

[TAL]

tal would most likely want to see your torso rubbed in spongey chocolately goodness though. he'll be a financier!
No I won't. I'll just sit here and wait for Halloween.

[DandyFop]

Jerry?

Sadly no, because that would be easy as fuck to get the rights to!

[mickill]

I think the Elvis song pretty much made the whole thing work.....now that I think about it.

[Lyman Zerga]

impressive (y) (y)

i played with the thought of collecting that expensive/celebrity looking barbie dolls
but not the paris hilton or spice girls crap more like that marilyn monroe and the jfk/jackie (as shown).. ones even when it's cheesy as hell

but i gave up the thought cause

a) im poor
b) i want to have kids, and they will beg the shit out of me to play with them if i get girls or gay boys
c) people have already enough reasons to make fun of me

[ericlee]

You also got that guy's wife eating a boogie on camera too.


Seriously, she wasn't as sly as she thought she was. Good job(y)

[The Notorious LOL]

I realized I never commented on the movie itself cuz I commented on the thread at work and I cant watch youtube here lol


Like Bob said, the subject matter is nothing I have any sort of a particular interest it but the quality of the work is impressive. (y)

[ampm]

That was cool.

[tracky]

To be honest, I thought it was a bit generic. It was technically good, but I dunno. Maybe it's because I have no interest in dolls

[DandyFop]

To be honest, I thought it was a bit generic. It was technically good, but I dunno. Maybe it's because I have no interest in dolls

I respect your opinion, but it confuses me a little. What do you mean by "generic"? You're right, it's hard to make something about people and dolls. Hardly anybody wants to watch a movie about dolls! But it's about the people, really.

[tracky]

Well by generic I mean it was like it was following a formula, which is probably what they teach you anyway. I dunno, don't listen to me cause really it was well made and you should be proud (y)