Nirvana/Nevermind/15Y.O.

[yeahwho]

It's hard to believe it's been 15 years since Nevermind was released. I've heard a lot of varying opinions of this disc but I agree with all the accolades given to this album.

It is the accumlative effect and dispersal of the 1980's all in one great purge. (y)

[camo]

It is the accumlative effect and dispersal of the 1980's all in one great purge. (y)

nice quote

[TurdBerglar]

over rated but still great. there were better new bands around at that time... soundgarden

[zorra_chiflada]

i liked in utero and bleach better than nevermind, but it's still a good album. nirvana wrote some great fucking tunes, and they're the kinda band i'll still be listening to when i'm older.

[DroppinScience]

You really couldn't ask for a better set of songs than the ones on "Nevermind."

That's not to say all their peers aren't worth checking out (Mudhoney, Pearl Jam, Soundgarden, Green River, Screaming Trees, Alice in Chains, etc.), but nobody did it quite like Nirvana did.

[yeahwho]

Nirvana where smarter than your average hair band. They understood the Replacemnets, Pixies, Sonic Youth and the 70's punk movement. Kurt could write a song like nobody's business and the album was titled perfect.

It is an amazing accomplishment. As I sit here today in rainy Seattle listening to Nevermind out of my computer speakers it reminds me of one of Kurt's secondhand store sweaters, comfortable yet ragged, torn and worn. These are great songs. They don't sound stale at all, there are many multi-platinum albums on the shelves, this one still sounds crisp, fresh and spectacular.

The only member of Nirvana who liked Nevermind more than In Utero is Dave Grohl. In Utero is a whole other topic....Serve the Servants is my all time favorite song about the music industry

Teenage angst has paid off well
Now I'm bored and old
Self-appointed judges judge
More than they have sold

[The Notorious LOL]

Nevermind is iiight but its not MIND BLOWINGLY AMAZING TOUR DE FORCE VOICE OF GENERATION X crap that Spin, Rolling Stone, and DroppinScience consider it to be.


In Utero was much better.

[Documad]

I can't believe that I never saw them live, but if I had they probably would have sucked.

Kurt is overrated. Nirvana is just about right.

I love Dave Grohl even though he makes mediocre music. He's funny.

[Documad]

Oh, I missed the actual question. Nevermind changed the music we heard on TV and radio for a while. (y)

[yeahwho]

I still have the unused ticket stubs to Nirvanas last live show that I snuck into.

Just because fuck nirvana and who am I to not do the wrong thing.

They were great live, plus a soldout Nirvana show was never packed. Why? They undersold the arenas for comfort and safety's sake. A true and little known Nirvana trivia.

[korn_phr33k]

well i dont think they suck, but i never really got into nirvana. i fit into the "i think theyre kinda overrated" category. for me it was just ok.

[DroppinScience]

Nevermind is iiight but its not MIND BLOWINGLY AMAZING TOUR DE FORCE VOICE OF GENERATION X crap that Spin, Rolling Stone, and DroppinScience consider it to be.


All of a sudden I'm imagining a sticker being slapped on "Nevermind" in record stores saying:

"A MIND BLOWINGLY AMAZING TOUR DE FORCE OF GENERATION X" -- DroppinScience, BBMB

[The Notorious LOL]

print some up and go to HMV

[paulb]

twas a very good cd, but perhaps a tad overrated

[yeahwho]

twas a very good cd, but perhaps a tad overrated

I agree in perspective of great Seattle muscians Nirvana is way up there, but the Jimi Hendrix Experience "Are you Experienced" (Jimi being another Seattle alumni) still sounds superior in all aspects nearly 40 years later, and Jimi could barely sing.

[TurdBerglar]

I love Dave Grohl even though he makes mediocre music.


he needs to fuck the foo fighters and concentrate on drumming again. qotsa full time. one of the better drummers around and he's fucking singing. there's no more good drummers

[pshabi]

well i dont think they suck, but i never really got into nirvana. i fit into the "i think theyre kinda overrated" category. for me it was just ok.
I know you already got shit for this b4, but you're fucking name is korn phr33k, so your opinion is shit and is totally discredited by that. Especially since you defended it by claiming it was 2 years old. Korn fucking sucked dick 6 years ago!

[zorra_chiflada]

lol korn. i remember them. in like, fucking, 1998. then they were on that show, "monk"

[The Notorious LOL]

I bought "Life Is Peachy" when I was 15 and sold it a day later. WORST ALBUM EVER

[zorra_chiflada]

I bought "Life Is Peachy" when I was 15 and sold it a day later. WORST ALBUM EVER

HAHA, i had follow the leader (with the backwards r)

[DroppinScience]

I can't believe that I never saw them live, but if I had they probably would have sucked.

Kurt is overrated. Nirvana is just about right.

I love Dave Grohl even though he makes mediocre music. He's funny.

I'm dying to know your thoughts of Krist Novoselic. Don't forget him, I beg of you. ;)

[Justin]

I liked nirvana's crazy punk rock songs......but they also had soft "pop" songs that really irritated me...(example listen to the unplugged cd)

Them being crazy(y)
Kurt sitting in a chair with his eyes closed and singing "pop" songs(n)

[Kid Presentable]

I bought "Life Is Peachy" when I was 15 and sold it a day later. WORST ALBUM EVER
haha. At both buying and selling it.

[Drederick Tatum]

the worst part was that 'rap' they had on there which was really just Jonathon Davis just trying to be a kiddie-touching Mike Patton. as if you can look and sound more like a kiddie toucher than Mike Patton.

[zorra_chiflada]

krist novoselic is busy being a big fucking giant

[Drederick Tatum]

and dropping bass guitars on himself.

[zorra_chiflada]

and dropping bass guitars on himself.

that ruled.

[Lo_Lyfe]

lmfao @ hi axl! wheres axl?

[korn_phr33k]

the worst part was that 'rap' they had on there which was really just Jonathon Davis just trying to be a kiddie-touching Mike Patton. as if you can look and sound more like a kiddie toucher than Mike Patton.

Jonathan Davis didnt rap on that album, it was Chino Moreno of the deftones, if youre gonna insult a band or person get the facts straight.

[Drederick Tatum]

I didn't say he rapped.

[korn_phr33k]

I didn't say he rapped.


well then i dont know what youre getting at.

[Drederick Tatum]

from what I remember, Davis' contribution to the song was to make lots of noises.

[korn_phr33k]

from what I remember, Davis' contribution to the song was to make lots of noises.

haha, well then yes, thats true.

[zorra_chiflada]

from what I remember, Davis' contribution to the song was to make lots of noises.

he made very cookie monster-esque noises

[ericlee]

I had a chance to see Nirvana in Cleveland and it was a no ticket needed-pay at the door show. The only reason why I didn't go is because it was an hour drive.

Instead, Mindfunk was playing in Toledo which was a 20 minute drive away so I drove all the way to Toledo, got to the front door only to see a bunch of pissed off people. I asked what was going on and some guys outside told me that the show was cancelled because the lead singer of Mindfunk didn't want to play because the p.a. system wasn't big enough.

To me, Nirvana's best album was Bleach for the simple fact that Chad Channing and legendary Dale Crover as drummers were alot more creative than Dave Grohl. Especially the use of the double bass drum riffs that they pulled off. Dave Grohl is just a simplistic Get R' Done person as a drummer and guitarist as well now that he's with the Foo Fighters. I was never really impressed by his work.

[korn_phr33k]

Dave Grohl is just a simplistic Get R' Done person as a drummer and guitarist as well now that he's with the Foo Fighters. I was never really impressed by his work.

i thought he was pretty good with QOTSA. loved the whole album. what kind of drummers are you into? the only ones i really say i like specifically are Billy Martin (of medeski martin and wood), travis barker is half decent, and whoever the guy is on dj shadows live dvd, that guy is just good.

[ericlee]

i thought he was pretty good with QOTSA. loved the whole album. what kind of drummers are you into? the only ones i really say i like specifically are Billy Martin (of medeski martin and wood), travis barker is half decent, and whoever the guy is on dj shadows live dvd, that guy is just good.

For sure and I think I need to take my statement back about not being impressed by his work. Thanks for catching that.

Yeah, his work on "Songs for the Deaf" is in fact some of the best drumming. I just thought his drumming with Nirvana was too simple and after hearing songs for the deaf, I think he could have done alot better when he was with Nirvana.

My alltime favorite drummer is Tim Alexander from Primus. Of course, Neil Peart, Chad Smith and so on. One of my favorite drummers is on Corrosion of Conformity's newer album "In the arms of God" is Stanton Moore. That whole c.d. is impressive and with him as a new addition, I'm hoping to see a couple more albums. That New Orleans style drumming in addition to the wall of sound guitars and all and out heavyness is the perfect sound.

Jean Paul Gaster from Clutch is also one of my favorites too using a minimal sized drum set to make a massive sound too.

[korn_phr33k]

ill have to check some of those out, im always open for recomendations.

chad smith......chili peppers?

[ericlee]

ill have to check some of those out, im always open for recomendations.

chad smith......chili peppers?

yeah, Will Ferrell.. One thing that's cool about him..

He was listed in the Guinness Book of World Records for playing the world's largest drum kit (308 pieces).

If someone can do that with his musical interest, it's worth my respect. Aside from that, I enjoy his work with the Chili Peppers as well.

[korn_phr33k]

yeah, Will Ferrell.. One thing that's cool about him..

what?

If someone can do that with his musical interest, it's worth my respect. Aside from that, I enjoy his work with the Chili Peppers as well.


didnt care too much for their latest album, i agree with a review i read, it said something to the effect of "the better tracks off of each disc could have made a really good single disc, too much filler"

[ericlee]

what?

Will Ferrell (http://www.villagecinemas.gr/media/ACTORS/WillFerrel/WILL_FERREL_poster_sm.jpg)

Chad Smith (http://www.foreverdrumming.com/pictures/smith_chad_floor.jpg)

any questions?:D

[korn_phr33k]

hahahahahahaha, oh man i never noticed that, thats pretty good(y)

[Drederick Tatum]

Dave Grohl is a sweet drummer. sure there are more tech guys out there, but he hits so hard and accurate.

[ericlee]

Dave Grohl is a sweet drummer. sure there are more tech guys out there, but he hits so hard and accurate.

In Utero's drumming>Nevermind's drumming.

He did something different with the set when he played on In Utero. It kinda sounded like pop-corn popping and it was creative.

I guess I should munch on the words I said about nothing he did interested me. He did get fairly technical with QOTSA as well.

Overall, I still liked the drumming on Bleach over any of Grohl's.

[TurdBerglar]

the drumming on first it giveth on songs for the deaf is fucking great

[korn_phr33k]

the drumming on first it giveth on songs for the deaf is fucking great

definately agree, a song for the dead is pretty good too, with the little intro.

[DroppinScience]

Killing Joke's Eighties just came on while reading this thread. I'm a bit pissed that when people hear that riff, they usually think of Nirvana.

I'm gonna have to find that. I only have the first two Killing Joke albums.

[ggirlballa]

i'm barely getting into Nirvana my friend loves Nirvana...she loves Korn too though i don't know anything about Korn

why do u guys hate Korn? (i opened a can of worms i know!) but explain it to me ...

oh anywayz Nirvana is pretty awesome(y)

lmfao @ hi axl! wheres axl?


haha

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CdRoHpZXvgQ

[Lo_Lyfe]

the tunes on nevermind dont really call for tech drumming anyways.

[korn_phr33k]

why do u guys hate Korn? (i opened a can of worms i know!) but explain it to me ...


because they were an average band that sold millions, thats the only explanation i can think of.

[ggirlballa]

because they were an average band that sold millions, thats the only explanation i can think of.
ah i see

[pshabi]

Nirvana at it's best and EXACTLY what I love about Dave Grohl's drumming.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9FQUz5PHffw

[TurdBerglar]

because they were an average band that sold millions, thats the only explanation i can think of.


no

because along with limp bizcut, these two bands ruined rock of the late 90's

[Tzar]

Nirvana at it's best and EXACTLY what I love about Dave Grohl's drumming.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9FQUz5PHffw
ok i like the song and all but that vid didn't keep me glued to the screen.
i'm the same with any nirvana - i can listen to them, i just find it easier to skip their songs more than anyone else.

[Kid Presentable]

I remember what my life was like when they did Lithium at the VMAs. Fuck, I was in awe of that performance as a young un.

[saz]

finally (http://www.nme.com/news/nirvana/24414)

[korn_phr33k]

well if you guys ever wanted to hear a song that makes fun of Korn, Limp Bizkit, RATM, and someone else i think, look for:

I Fell Asleep On My Arm by The Aquabats

its quite hilarious in my opinion, does a pretty good fred durst impression. they do a good job of imitating the various sounds.

if you guyts cant find it ill try to post it, but i have dial up(n)

[DroppinScience]

finally (http://www.nme.com/news/nirvana/24414)

Damn, and I actually got that VHS version in June. :o

But I'm glad it's headed to DVD. Hope the bonus material is good.

I would also LOVE it if they had a DVD of the entire "Unplugged" performance.

[Teh]

I love this album to death, but i don't enjoy reading the same reguritated shit every fucking year in magazines on its anniversary or whenever something is rereleased.

get over it already.

[yeahwho]

Nirvana at it's best and EXACTLY what I love about Dave Grohl's drumming.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9FQUz5PHffw
That clip was filmed at a pier over Puget Sound in Seattle....what a great locale for a rock show, an old dilapidated warehouse on the waterfront. I was actually on a tugboat on the southside of that building the night of the show, you could hear every song note for note coming through the half open loading doors. (y) Great memory.

I love this album to death, but i don't enjoy reading the same reguritated shit every fucking year in magazines on its anniversary or whenever something is rereleased.

get over it already.


That's what happens isn't it. I'm usually the first to avoid this sort of deal too, I just could not believe it had been 15 years so I made a thread trying to figure out if everybody else still thinks this beautiful mess of a record still stands. Nirvana is unlikely to hold up as well as Hendrix (another Seattle musician) IMO due to the lack of musical finesse, but only another 15 years will tell the tale. I definately did not care about the previous 14 years and actually Nirvana doesn't even come near my top 10 bands list, just highly impressed.

[Tomtomtom]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WDyslbrGKkk


:eek: :eek: :eek:

[afronaut]

Nirvana where smarter than your average hair band. They understood the Replacemnets, Pixies, Sonic Youth and the 70's punk movement. Kurt could write a song like nobody's business and the album was titled perfect.

It is an amazing accomplishment. As I sit here today in rainy Seattle listening to Nevermind out of my computer speakers it reminds me of one of Kurt's secondhand store sweaters, comfortable yet ragged, torn and worn. These are great songs. They don't sound stale at all, there are many multi-platinum albums on the shelves, this one still sounds crisp, fresh and spectacular.
[/I]
I understand the Replacements, Pixies, Sonic Youth and the 70s punk music. I want a fucking record deal.

You see, it's one thing if some mainstream shitrock band all of the sudden came out with a surprisingly good album that includes the sensibilities of those bands and scenes.

It's an entirely different thing when a band who is supposed to be a peer of those other bands starts getting accolades because they "understand" those bands that they are supposed to be peers with.

Kurt didn't do anything spectacular compared to other underground acts that were alive and kicking around the same time. If anything, the reason Nirvana became so popular is because they were a watered down, more easily digestible fanboy version of the alternative scene with an edgier image.

I mean, sure, it probably rocked the mainstream world when a band like Nirvana broke huge, with all their angst and self loathing. It would have rocked their world even harder if one of the truly revolutionary bands broke through to the mainstream instead of Nirvana.

But then, maybe Nirvana was just the right easily marketable package of angst, underground edge, image, and pop sensibility. Kurt knew he could never compare to the true heroes, and they deserved all his success and Nirvana were really just a pop band. Thats why he shot himself in the face.

[saz]

no, they got signed to geffen because they were pretty good and cobain was a solid songwriter.

i think what nirvana did suffer from was over exposure, and they were shoved down our throats. they deserved their deal with geffen. and it was great to see bad 80s rock, ie gnr, and hair metal put out of its misery. but we were led to believe that nirvana were the next beatles or whatever, which they weren't.

[DroppinScience]

I understand the Replacements, Pixies, Sonic Youth and the 70s punk music. I want a fucking record deal.

You see, it's one thing if some mainstream shitrock band all of the sudden came out with a surprisingly good album that includes the sensibilities of those bands and scenes.

It's an entirely different thing when a band who is supposed to be a peer of those other bands starts getting accolades because they "understand" those bands that they are supposed to be peers with.

Kurt didn't do anything spectacular compared to other underground acts that were alive and kicking around the same time. If anything, the reason Nirvana became so popular is because they were a watered down, more easily digestible fanboy version of the alternative scene with an edgier image.

I mean, sure, it probably rocked the mainstream world when a band like Nirvana broke huge, with all their angst and self loathing. It would have rocked their world even harder if one of the truly revolutionary bands broke through to the mainstream instead of Nirvana.

But then, maybe Nirvana was just the right easily marketable package of angst, underground edge, image, and pop sensibility. Kurt knew he could never compare to the true heroes, and they deserved all his success and Nirvana were really just a pop band. Thats why he shot himself in the face.

Well, then you can blame THURSTON MOORE because he pulled the strings to get them signed to Geffen.

And I don't think their peers like The Melvins had what it took to break huge into the mainstream (not that they needed to, anyways). As you said, Nirvana had all the right combinations of edginess and pop sensibility to make it big, however unexpected it was.

But I don't buy the fact that the others "deserved" the success and Nirvana didn't. If it were any other band, they'd be equally entitled and we'd be lamenting that bands like Nirvana should have gotten the accolades. The "Nevermind" phenomenon could have easily hit someone else. Nirvana were more or less randomly selected to be the rock saviors.

Nothing you can really do about it now.

[afronaut]

and it was great to see bad 80s rock, ie gnr, and hair metal put out of its misery.
truth, however you do have to take into account that if it weren't for Nirvana, we wouldn't have so many post grunge bland-metal groups singing about how their so tormented cuz their daddies didn't hug them, or hugged them too much. in the wrong places.

This is how I feel about Nirvana. I don't think Sonic Youth, the Melvins, or any of those guys should have been top 40 sensations like Nirvana. In fact, Nirvana were the band for that.

Where I disagree is that Nirvana were not the greatest band of the 90s, Nevermind, while I'm not saying is a bad album, is not a landmark because it's an amazing unparalleled piece of art, but because of what it represents in the history of music, and that Kurt was not a tortured genius. Just a fucked up kid from the underground on drugs with a knack for writing tunes the kids could relate to who achieved a level of fame he was unable to handle.

I was way off in saying his peers deserved all his success, I take that back. They don't deserve Nirvana's success, but they do deserve Nirvana's undeserved reverence.

[saz]

truth, however you do have to take into account that if it weren't for Nirvana, we wouldn't have so many post grunge bland-metal groups singing about how their so tormented cuz their daddies didn't hug them, or hugged them too much. in the wrong places.

yeah, i can see that. but with that in mind, you could also argue then that as a result of pearl jam, too many pearl jam wannabe-soundalike bands came along. ditto the brilliance of the stone roses, which at first brought forward some great psychedelic and shoegaze acts, but unfortunately also resulted in the monstrosity of britpop, ie menswear, blur, pulp et al.

[DroppinScience]

You could point any successful band/movement and blame them for countless imitations/watered-down versions. The un-original are leeches to anything that works.

[pshabi]

I understand the Replacements, Pixies, Sonic Youth and the 70s punk music. I want a fucking record deal.

You see, it's one thing if some mainstream shitrock band all of the sudden came out with a surprisingly good album that includes the sensibilities of those bands and scenes.

It's an entirely different thing when a band who is supposed to be a peer of those other bands starts getting accolades because they "understand" those bands that they are supposed to be peers with.

Kurt didn't do anything spectacular compared to other underground acts that were alive and kicking around the same time. If anything, the reason Nirvana became so popular is because they were a watered down, more easily digestible fanboy version of the alternative scene with an edgier image.

I mean, sure, it probably rocked the mainstream world when a band like Nirvana broke huge, with all their angst and self loathing. It would have rocked their world even harder if one of the truly revolutionary bands broke through to the mainstream instead of Nirvana.

But then, maybe Nirvana was just the right easily marketable package of angst, underground edge, image, and pop sensibility. Kurt knew he could never compare to the true heroes, and they deserved all his success and Nirvana were really just a pop band. Thats why he shot himself in the face.

Wow, you weren't even in Kindergarten when they came out.

[DroppinScience]

Wow, you weren't even in Kindergarten when they came out.

I was in 6th grade when Kurt Cobain shot himself, but I don't recall anyone in 3rd grade playing "Nevermind."

I was way off in saying his peers deserved all his success, I take that back. They don't deserve Nirvana's success, but they do deserve Nirvana's undeserved reverence.

I hear ya. Mudhoney, Screaming Trees and others deserve the reverence just as much as anything Nirvana did.

[Randetica]

same problem with all nirvana songs

they start good but get boring after 15 seconds



exactly 15 seconds, pay attention next time

[Waus]

I hear ya. Mudhoney, Screaming Trees and others deserve the reverence just as much as anything Nirvana did.


I dunno. Those bands just don't have the same personal legacy that Cobain had. I mean, most all of his songs are completely about himself and his situations - none are universal. Kurt Cobain the phenomenon is more of a cult of personality than a following of a band.

[Randetica]

nevermind (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cwag1A4bbMQ)

[OPINIONTRON 800]

OPINIONTRON COMPUTES MEAN AGE OF RESPONDENTS IS 23. THIS AGE IS INSUFFICIENT TO DEMONSTRATE ANYTHING MORE THAN A CURSORY UNDERSTANDING OF MUSICAL HISTORY PERTAINING TO UPWARDS OF 14 YEARS AGO. OPINIONTRON COMPUTES THAT MENTIONING QUASI-OBSCURE BAND NAMES DOES NOT PREVENT YOUR OPINION FROM BEING FAULTY.