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yeahwho
11-17-2006, 08:07 AM
Published today in most liberal leaning major city newspapers, I hope he doesn't decide to become too visible, he can really ruin shit fast for the democrats just by association. That said I thoroughly enjoy his POV and am adult enough to sort through the hubris.

LATIMES link (http://www.latimes.com/news/printedition/asection/la-oe-moore17nov17,0,3842827.story?track=mostviewed-homepage)

Michael Moore's pledge to disheartened conservatives,

1) We will always respect you. We will never, ever, call you "unpatriotic" simply because you disagree with us. In fact, we encourage you to dissent and disagree with us.

2) We will let you marry whomever you want (even though some among us consider your Republican behavior to be "different" or "immoral"). Who you marry is none of our business. Love, and be in love — it's a wonderful gift.

3) We will not spend your grandchildren's money on our personal whims or to enrich our friends. It's your checkbook too, and we will balance it for you.

4) When we soon bring our sons and daughters home from Iraq, we will bring your sons and daughters home too. We promise never to send your kids off to war based on some amateur Power Point presentation cooked up by men who have never been to war.

5) When we make America the last Western democracy to have universal health coverage, and all Americans are able to get help when they fall ill, we promise that you too will be able to see a doctor, regardless of your ability to pay. And when stem cell research delivers treatments and cures for diseases that afflict you and your loved ones, we'll make sure those advances are available to you and your family too.

6) When we clean up our air and water, you too will be able to breathe the cleaner air and drink the purer water. When we put an end to global warming, you will no longer have to think about buying oceanfront property in Yuma.

7) Should a mass murderer ever kill 3,000 people on our soil, we will devote every single resource to tracking him down and bringing him to justice. Immediately. We will protect you.

8) We will never stick our nose in your bedroom or your womb. What you do there as consenting adults is your business. We will continue to count your age from the moment you were born, not the moment you were conceived.

9) We will not take away your hunting guns. If you need an automatic weapon or a handgun to kill a bird or a deer, then you really aren't much of a hunter and you should, perhaps, take up another sport. In the meantime, we will arm the deer to make it a fairer fight.

10) When we raise the minimum wage, we will raise it for your employees too. They will use that money to buy more things, which means you will get the money back! And when women are finally paid what men make, we will pay conservative women that wage too.

11) We will respect your religious beliefs, even when you don't practice those beliefs. In fact, we will actively seek to promote your most radical religious beliefs ("Blessed are the peacemakers," "Love your enemies," "It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God" and "Whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers of mine, you did for me"). We will let people in other countries know that God doesn't just bless America, he blesses everyone. We will discourage religious intolerance and fanaticism — starting here at home.

12) We will not tolerate politicians who are corrupt and break the law. And we promise you we will go after the corrupt politicians on our side first. If we fail to do this, we need you to call us on it. Simply because we are in power does not give us the right to turn our heads the other way when our party goes astray. Please perform this important duty as the loyal opposition.

I promise all of the above to you because this is your country too. You are every bit as American as we are. We are all in this together. We sink or swim as one. Thank you for your years of service to this country and for giving us the opportunity to see if we can make things a bit better for our 300 million fellow Americans — and for the rest of the world.

Now pull yourself together and let's go have a Frappuccino.

QueenAdrock
11-17-2006, 10:03 AM
Yeah I saw that. Reading it, I felt it was just a circle-jerk for the left while he tries to come off as moderate. That's a lot of what he does, though.

I agree with majority of the points though. I'm all for cleaner environments and lower health care rates. (y)

The Notorious LOL
11-17-2006, 10:59 AM
he should just stop talking.

valvano
11-17-2006, 11:13 AM
its is not the govt's responsibility to balance my check book...or even be involved with my check book

sam i am
11-17-2006, 02:09 PM
12) We will not tolerate politicians who are corrupt and break the law. And we promise you we will go after the corrupt politicians on our side first. If we fail to do this, we need you to call us on it. Simply because we are in power does not give us the right to turn our heads the other way when our party goes astray. Please perform this important duty as the loyal opposition.

OK.....more to come on all the ethical, legal, and moral quagmires that top Democrats, who just this week were elected to leadership positions, are facing. Stay tuned...

D_Raay
11-17-2006, 02:44 PM
its is not the govt's responsibility to balance my check book...or even be involved with my check book
Well whether you like it or not, no matter who is in office or what they may say, they are...

Waus
11-17-2006, 02:48 PM
What a prick.

EN[i]GMA
11-17-2006, 04:28 PM
Published today in most liberal leaning major city newspapers, I hope he doesn't decide to become too visible, he can really ruin shit fast for the democrats just by association. That said I thoroughly enjoy his POV and am adult enough to sort through the hubris.

The problem is, he's just such a smug asshole. I mean really, what a bunch of bullshit.

I'm not even a 'conservative', I just hate this type of propaganda bullshit.


1) We will always respect you. We will never, ever, call you "unpatriotic" simply because you disagree with us. In fact, we encourage you to dissent and disagree with us.

Oh yeah, Democrats or leftists in general would NEVER call their opponents names...

What bullshit.


3) We will not spend your grandchildren's money on our personal whims or to enrich our friends. It's your checkbook too, and we will balance it for you.

Does he really believe this? Honestly? He thinks the Dems will balance the budget?

I don't think that's in the cards.


6) When we clean up our air and water, you too will be able to breathe the cleaner air and drink the purer water.

Yeah, that tap water is terrible as it is.

Oh wait, it isn't.

Tell me where in the Democrats agenda it is to clean up the local water supply around where I live.


7) Should a mass murderer ever kill 3,000 people on our soil, we will devote every single resource to tracking him down and bringing him to justice. Immediately. We will protect you.

Oh yeah, I can really imagine the Democrats taking no prisoners when chasing after a terrorist.

If Osama would have been hiding in Iraq, after we invaded Afghanistan, I take it Moore, and, by association, the rest of you, would have been in full support of an invasion, correct?

That is what he's saying, whether he realizes it or not. Basically, just restating the Bush doctrine.


10) When we raise the minimum wage, we will raise it for your employees too.

I'm sure small-business owners love to hear that!

Tell me, why is it very small businesses are exempt from Min. wage increases?

They will use that money to buy more things, which means you will get the money back!

Which means inflation! Yay!

And when women are finally paid what men make, we will pay conservative women that wage too.

Women, with the same experience and education already recieve the same average pay as men.


12) We will not tolerate politicians who are corrupt and break the law.

This is the Democratic party talking? The John Murthy Democrats? The Democrats of that guy in La. who was found with $90,000 in cash tucked in his freezer? THOSE Democrats? Or do they 'not count'? DINOs?


And we promise you we will go after the corrupt politicians on our side first.

He cannot be serious.

If we fail to do this, we need you to call us on it. Simply because we are in power does not give us the right to turn our heads the other way when our party goes astray. Please perform this important duty as the loyal opposition.

...since we didn't manage to do it!

Terrible.

yeahwho
11-17-2006, 05:18 PM
GMA']The problem is, he's just such a smug asshole. I mean really, what a bunch of bullshit.

I'm not even a 'conservative', I just hate this type of propaganda bullshit.

Is he any worse than Dennis Miller, at least Michael Moore is mildly funny and can make movies that entertain. I'm with you though on the propaganda bullshit, these proclamations by media gadfly's drive a bit looney, the media eats it up and the blind use these quips as speaking points.

A blast from the past

Here are 10 things to consider when voicing an opinion on this important issue: By Dennis Miller

1) Out of President Bush and Saddam Hussein . . . Hussein is the bad guy.

2) If you have faith in the United Nations to do the right thing, keep this in mind, they have Libya heading the Committee on Human Rights and Iraq heading the Global Disarmament committee. Do your own math here.

3) If you use Google Search and type in "French Military Victories," your reply will be "Did you mean French Military Defeats?"

4) If your only anti-war slogan is "No War For Oil," sue your school district for allowing you to slip through the cracks and robbing you of the education you deserve.

5) Saddam and bin Laden will not seek United Nations approval before they try to kill us.

6) Despite common belief, Martin Sheen is not the President. He plays one on TV.

7) Even if you are anti-war, you are still an "infidel" and bin Laden wants you dead, too.

8) If you believe in a "vast right-wing conspiracy" but not in the danger Hussein poses, quit hanging out with the Dell computer Dude.

9) We are not trying to kill Iraqi citizens. We are trying to liberate them.

10) Whether you are for military action or against it, our young men and women overseas are fighting for us to defend our right to speak out. We all need to support them without reservation.

he is an idiot for idiots

EN[i]GMA
11-17-2006, 07:06 PM
I don't know if you can really say Miller is an idiot, he's obviously of intelligence. His views, maybe not so much, but to pontificate at his level requires talent.

yeahwho
11-17-2006, 07:28 PM
GMA']I don't know if you can really say Miller is an idiot, he's obviously of intelligence. His views, maybe not so much, but to pontificate at his level requires talent.

If talent is measured by monetary, critical and financial awards Michael Moore (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_moore)may be a little less idiotic than Dennis Miller (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dennis_Miller).

just saying....I find both to be interesting, one of them is way more interesting and captivating than the other.

I would love to see Michael Moore do Monday Night Football, it would be a riot.

sam i am
11-22-2006, 11:42 AM
I would love to see Michael Moore do Monday Night Football, it would be a riot.

Only if he could be distracted from his profligate hot dog imbibation long enough to form coherent sentences

abcdefz
11-22-2006, 11:44 AM
What a presumptuous asshole he is.

QueenAdrock
11-22-2006, 11:46 AM
Now I understand disagreeing with him, but he CAN write coherent sentences. I wouldn't argue that.

It's like my friend who said "Coldplay sucks live" because she hates the band. I'm like, you can hate the music all you want but no one can deny that they put on a pretty goddamn good live concert for their fans.

sam i am
11-22-2006, 11:49 AM
Now I understand disagreeing with him, but he CAN write coherent sentences. I wouldn't argue that.

It's like my friend who said "Coldplay sucks live" because she hates the band. I'm like, you can hate the music all you want but no one can deny that they put on a pretty goddamn good live concert for their fans.


Write? Maybe.

Say? With a mouthful of hot dogs? Doubtful.

QueenAdrock
11-22-2006, 12:10 PM
HA! Did that actually happen?

If so, link pls.

sam i am
11-22-2006, 12:13 PM
HA! Did that actually happen?

If so, link pls.

Nope.....just bagging on the fat dude.

Sorry....ever since Roger and Me (which, BTW, I found to be brilliant and hillarious:eek: ) he's devolved into a caricature of himself and he deserves all the mocking one can muster (or mustard:p :rolleyes: ?)

Humiliation
11-22-2006, 06:43 PM
Only if he could be distracted from his profligate hot dog imbibation long enough to form coherent sentences
if your going to call someone incoherent; please; do it in a coherent way

sam i am
11-25-2006, 02:17 PM
if your going to call someone incoherent; please; do it in a coherent way

I was quite coherent. WTF you talking about:confused:

ms.peachy
11-25-2006, 07:05 PM
I really have no problem with anything in that piece, or with Moore himself. All fine with me.