Playstation 3 anticipation creates violence and bloodshed

[D_Raay]

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20061117/ap_on_re_us/playstation_shooting

This is very troubling.

A good example of how the corporate lunacy that is modern advertising creates rampant disregard for what is right and what is wrong.

What's ironic is that some of these people are actually carrying out the violence from the games they can't wait to simulate in their own homes.

[Echewta]

How often do people get mugged/robbed at an ATM. Does that create violence then?

[sam i am]

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20061117/ap_on_re_us/playstation_shooting

This is very troubling.

A good example of how the corporate lunacy that is modern advertising creates rampant disregard for what is right and what is wrong.

What's ironic is that some of these people are actually carrying out the violence from the games they can't wait to simulate in their own homes.

What corporation makes the Playstation?

Oh, yes....Sony. Damn those "GREEDY" Japanese corporations....let's make them pay higher minimum wages and take them to court for the behavior evidenced here!:rolleyes:

[sam i am]

How often do people get mugged/robbed at an ATM. Does that create violence then?

Go after those BANKS!!

Sue them! John Edwards will lead the way....he's an ambulance-chaser, after all:mad:

[Echewta]

*tire irons Sam*

[yeahwho]

Hey isn't violence and bloodshed supposed to be what gaming is all about anyway, nice to see the nerds in a real rumble.

[QueenAdrock]

Yay for lax gun control laws, the right to bear arms has certainly been vindicated today! Shooting over video games is a god-given right and we need our handguns for such things.

See, I can take news stories that were posted for informational purposes and turn it partisan too, Sam.

[kaiser soze]

I think the stores should be held responsible for not providing adequate security to protect the throngs of of people from each other and outsiders

these retailers should anticipate this kind of behavior and have a contigency plan

It's sad to see how some (walmart) make it a dangerous game by forcing a mob of people to run just to secure a spot to maybe score a console

[Bob]

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20061117/ap_on_re_us/playstation_shooting

This is very troubling.

A good example of how the corporate lunacy that is modern advertising creates rampant disregard for what is right and what is wrong.

What's ironic is that some of these people are actually carrying out the violence from the games they can't wait to simulate in their own homes.

i reeeeeeaaaallllly don't think those gunmen wanted the PS3's for the purpose of playing them

truth be told, i'd estimate that about 80%* of the people waiting in line didn't intend to play them. at this point, most people buying a PS3 intend to sell it on ebay. it always happens like that. the thugs just wanted the cash. and here's a bunch of nerds waiting in line with fat wallets. i'm having a hard time blaming video games or corporate lunacy for this one



*i pulled that number out of my ass, but alot of people who buy new consoles at launch intend to sell them at a marked up price

[QueenAdrock]

these retailers should anticipate this kind of behavior and have a contigency plan

See, I agree to a point. But sometimes people just have to realize that shit's gonna happen and dcide whether it's WORTH it or not. I guarantee you some crazy shit is going to break out next Friday during the day-after-Thanksgiving sales. I won't have to deal with any kind of behavior because I'm staying far away from it. I saw the videos of women being knocked down and TRAMPLED ON in order to get the good deals. And yet you KNOW that those assholes will be back there AGAIN this year for some "good deals."

There's gotta be a point where people take some responsibility and say "Hey. It's only a goddamn game console. I'd rather be in good health than risk my life by trying to save a few dollars/get material items that will be outdated in a few years anyways." I would never trust retailers to deal with this sort of behavior competently and have a plan to make sure everyone is safe - they haven't in the past and I don't see why they would start now.

[yeahwho]

i reeeeeeaaaallllly don't think those gunmen wanted the PS3's for the purpose of playing them

truth be told, i'd estimate that about 80%* of the people waiting in line didn't intend to play them. at this point, most people buying a PS3 intend to sell it on ebay. it always happens like that. the thugs just wanted the cash. and here's a bunch of nerds waiting in line with fat wallets. i'm having a hard time blaming video games or corporate lunacy for this one



*i pulled that number out of my ass, but alot of people who buy new consoles at launch intend to sell them at a marked up price

I think it's more like 73%* of those people in line, you should double check your ass or try to sell it online or something.

*I don't really know if you can sell your chili pipe online or not, 73% is a fucked up number I just yanked off my tallywhacker because you've been makin' me laugh all day.

But dammit anyhow, everybody knows Best Buy, Circuit City and Wal-Mart is ghetto, Video console's are the tennis shoes of the new millenium.

[D_Raay]

Sorry, I guess I was a bit too vague and my joke didn't go over like I had thought.

I think the media and corporations should absolutely be held responsible for the years of conditioning that has lead to this sort of behaviour.
As usual the blame is deflected to the unfortunate advocates.

Doesn't much matter whether any of the perpertrators actually play the console at all, the fact remains it is only valuable because someone else has to have it.
And that is what I would call conditioned.

[D_Raay]

What corporation makes the Playstation?

Oh, yes....Sony. Damn those "GREEDY" Japanese corporations....let's make them pay higher minimum wages and take them to court for the behavior evidenced here!:rolleyes:
You really think the Japanese are solely responsible for the marketing of their console here in the US? I didn't know conservatives fancied hemp.

[King PSYZ]

I think if eBay stepped up and did the right thing these kinds of things could be made a little better.

I think starting ASAP eBay needs to make new sellers confirm their address and banking info just like paypal does. They also need to start enforcing a rule to the effect that if you're reselling new in package items you can't list the item for more than MSRP. If the bid gets driven up by the market so be it. But when people post them for 5k all it does it hurt the actual market.

This is happening quite frequently lately, and most times with stolen goods. So if it's something like a gaming system or any other consumer electronics device that has a serial number on the package or reciept they need to include it in the listing and eBay needs to cross ref these with the manaufactuer to make sure it's not only a valid one, but not a stolen one as well.

I recall before eBay took over the world, during the PS2 launch, those were pretty hard to get too. But people weren't being mugged for them because really it was more trouble than it was worth since they could only resell it to pawn shops. Now with easy access in any library to a pc and the net these theives can make a quick turnaround.

[The Notorious LOL]

I think if eBay stepped up and did the right thing these kinds of things could be made a little better.

I think starting ASAP eBay needs to make new sellers confirm their address and banking info just like paypal does. They also need to start enforcing a rule to the effect that if you're reselling new in package items you can't list the item for more than MSRP. If the bid gets driven up by the market so be it. But when people post them for 5k all it does it hurt the actual market.

This is happening quite frequently lately, and most times with stolen goods. So if it's something like a gaming system or any other consumer electronics device that has a serial number on the package or reciept they need to include it in the listing and eBay needs to cross ref these with the manaufactuer to make sure it's not only a valid one, but not a stolen one as well.

I recall before eBay took over the world, during the PS2 launch, those were pretty hard to get too. But people weren't being mugged for them because really it was more trouble than it was worth since they could only resell it to pawn shops. Now with easy access in any library to a pc and the net these theives can make a quick turnaround.


Im too lazy to look it up but Ebay does have rules regarding ps3 sales. You have to have 98% feedback and 50 positives before you can even sell. You can ONLY sell with paypal...no checks or money orders.

the ONLY reason this happened is because everyone had the same idea...flip it and sell it for profit, and if the demand for them says $1500+ a system, what can Ebay do to regulate it? People will just flip them on craigslist or some other venue.

[The Notorious LOL]

along the same lines, it has little/nothing to do with ebay. Tickle Me Elmos people went apeshit for in what...mid 1990s? Ebay was tiny then...people sold them in newspapers and stuff.

It has more to do with a clever marketing gimmick done by Sony, which works. They build anticipation, ship low numbers of units, and voila...everyone suddenly wants a PS3 because the supply is limited.


However I think this will backfire on them, as the wii is out tomorrow, it'll be cheap and readily available, and the xbox 360 has a large library of software. People who cant get a PS3 right now will say fuck it and seek out other options.

[King PSYZ]

Im too lazy to look it up but Ebay does have rules regarding ps3 sales. You have to have 98% feedback and 50 positives before you can even sell. You can ONLY sell with paypal...no checks or money orders.

the ONLY reason this happened is because everyone had the same idea...flip it and sell it for profit, and if the demand for them says $1500+ a system, what can Ebay do to regulate it? People will just flip them on craigslist or some other venue.
I thought that was only in regards to pre-orders. Where as if someone has the unit they are completely unfettered by those restrictions.

And while yeah many would use craigslist if they couldn't gouge for the price they wanted to on eBay. Most of the lazy ones would just pass.

[Funkyfreshgrape]

i know i saw on 'Attack of the show' on G4. those people are crazy who wait in line:rolleyes:
i saw one on ebay for $25,000

[spacemac9000]

HEY MAN

your statement may of been off a bit....

but that article is troubling and stupid and intersting all in one...

thanks for your input on the situation....


QUOTE=D_Raay]Sorry, I guess I was a bit too vague and my joke didn't go over like I had thought.

I think the media and corporations should absolutely be held responsible for the years of conditioning that has lead to this sort of behaviour.
As usual the blame is deflected to the unfortunate advocates.

Doesn't much matter whether any of the perpertrators actually play the console at all, the fact remains it is only valuable because someone else has to have it.
And that is what I would call conditioned.[/QUOTE]

[Mr. Boomin'Granny]

no violence with the wii launch.

[QueenAdrock]

They're still gonna smash one though.

www.smashmywii.com

omgzlol

[yeahwho]

They're still gonna smash one though.

www.smashmywii.com

omgzlol

It would be cool to have a smashing of a marketing executive that launched this product, or at least put them out in November weather mid-line so they can see how fucked up their warped fried brains are.

This will go down as the generation that waited in lines for they're electronic game rations. It's pure hell.

[Ali]

What corporation makes the Playstation?

Oh, yes....Sony. Damn those "GREEDY" Japanese corporations....let's make them pay higher minimum wages and take them to court for the behavior evidenced here!:rolleyes:Quite unlike those honest to goodness Apple Pie Eatin' God Fearin' Folks who make the X-Box 360.

[QueenAdrock]

You know, I'm proud of how coherent I was when drunk in this thread.

*pats self on back*

[ms.peachy]

A cashier at Walmart told me yesterday that they had to call the police on this one woman who was camping out at the store overnight for a PS3, because it was like 30 degrees and raining, and she had a four month old infant with her.:rolleyes: Nice priorities.

[cj hood]

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20061117/ap_on_re_us/playstation_shooting

This is very troubling.

A good example of how the corporate lunacy that is modern advertising creates rampant disregard for what is right and what is wrong.

What's ironic is that some of these people are actually carrying out the violence from the games they can't wait to simulate in their own homes.


when nerds attack.....

[racer5.0stang]

A good example of how the corporate lunacy that is modern advertising creates rampant disregard for what is right and what is wrong.

Funny how people are so manipulated by corporations that they lose self control and find themselves waiting in a line for a game console for their child(ren) who would throw a temper tantrum if they didn't get what they wanted. Wouldn't it make more sense to blame the "adult", unless the corporation threatened the "adult" into submission and forced he/she into purchasing the game system.

It would be cool to have a smashing of a marketing executive that launched this product, or at least put them out in November weather mid-line so they can see how fucked up their warped fried brains are.

This will go down as the generation that waited in lines for they're electronic game rations.

There again, who's fault is it? Obviously not society's :rolleyes:

I think starting ASAP eBay needs to make new sellers confirm their address and banking info just like paypal does. They also need to start enforcing a rule to the effect that if you're reselling new in package items you can't list the item for more than MSRP. If the bid gets driven up by the market so be it. But when people post them for 5k all it does it hurt the actual market.

Why should Ebay set limitations. It isn't their fault that there are people who have extremely too much money and are willing to pay an enormous amount for something that will be out-dated in a year or so.

Your right, it does hurt the market but it is the market who places the value on such things.

Amazing what "adults" will do to please the children who rule their lives one fit at a time. You know the ones I'm talking about.

[D_Raay]

Funny how people are so manipulated by corporations that they lose self control and find themselves waiting in a line for a game console for their child(ren) who would throw a temper tantrum if they didn't get what they wanted. Wouldn't it make more sense to blame the "adult", unless the corporation threatened the "adult" into submission and forced he/she into purchasing the game system.

You actually think that the people in question are adults waiting in line for their children?

Everyone from generation x on down plays video games and have been conditioned to an alternative reality by corporations... as if they had the right.

How can you defend the corporation? They collectively are servants of greed not conscience.

[sam i am]

*tire irons Sam*

Violence is the last refuge of those with nothing left to say.

Maybe Bush should have followed that advice?:D

[sam i am]

Yay for lax gun control laws, the right to bear arms has certainly been vindicated today! Shooting over video games is a god-given right and we need our handguns for such things.

See, I can take news stories that were posted for informational purposes and turn it partisan too, Sam.


Isn't this a POLITICAL discussion board???:confused:

Partisanship is always encouraged, right?

[QueenAdrock]

Sure it is, to a point. But I do find it kinda lame to take a story that everyone can agree is a bad situation (people dying over video games) and using it for your political agenda. Just because we're a political board doesn't mean we need to act actually like politicians, because they for the most part suck.

Just my two cents.

[sam i am]

Sure it is, to a point. But I do find it kinda lame to take a story that everyone can agree is a bad situation (people dying over video games) and using it for your political agenda. Just because we're a political board doesn't mean we need to act actually like politicians, because they for the most part suck.

Just my two cents.

Fair enough.

As for the idiots doing what they did : well....they're asses.

[QueenAdrock]

Agreed.

I'm putting $20 down on someone getting stabbed in a Wal-Mart on Friday. Anyone wanna take me on?

[racer5.0stang]

You actually think that the people in question are adults waiting in line for their children?

Probably not all, but I would have to say that the majority would be. How many teenagers have the money to spend $500-600 on a video game? Or if you were to go on Ebay, how many have $1500 or more?

Everyone from generation x on down plays video games and have been conditioned to an alternative reality by corporations... as if they had the right.

You aren't serious, are you?

How can you defend the corporation?

It isn't hard to put the blame were it should be.

[D_Raay]

Probably not all, but I would have to say that the majority would be. How many teenagers have the money to spend $500-600 on a video game? Or if you were to go on Ebay, how many have $1500 or more?



You aren't serious, are you?



It isn't hard to put the blame were it should be.
Wow who are you and what planet are you from? The people in a tizzy over this game are most certainly not the adults you speak of. They are precisely what you claim they aren't. Young people who's life is in large part consumed by video games and in the anticipation of more and better video games. What makes you think they can't afford it? Because this is the first system that has been excessively expensive? You think young people don't work? Or for that matter, have too much responsibility to be able to blow money on video games?
I suppose those millions of young people who play World of Warcraft are illusions because computers are pricey, and the monthly fee is out of their price range? Young people WILL work to get what they really want.

I am quite serious about the effect of years of advertising to impressionable youths.

If the corporations were devoid of any blame here wouldn't they simply cut off the supply when incidents, such as what occured this week, happened? Other people in a position who have set themselves into a position where they believe they are calling the shots, for example your parents or your boss, most certainly would.

Like I said before greed.

[King PSYZ]

Why should Ebay set limitations. It isn't their fault that there are people who have extremely too much money and are willing to pay an enormous amount for something that will be out-dated in a year or so.

Your right, it does hurt the market but it is the market who places the value on such things.

Amazing what "adults" will do to please the children who rule their lives one fit at a time. You know the ones I'm talking about.
The market didn't set the value of a PS3 at 5k, oppertunists did. The market of people who honestly wanted to give their child or loved one (since GASP adults play video games too and it tends to be a good way to vent and relax for many people) a PS3, or Wii, or TMX, or Little Mermaid DVD, or whatever was popular at the moment sometimes are willing to sacrifice a few extra dollars because they don't want to disapoint somone but that doesn't make it right.

Fact is many of these "auctions" are clearing houses for criminals. In the days before everyone had made a purchase off eBay they had to stick to pawn shops and fences.

Now any asshat can rob a store and put up an auction within a few moments time. I live down the street from someone who I know steals from a Toys R Us. Because during the summer they'll have boxes on boxes of toys they're selling. These are brand new items not old enough to have "collected" and decided they weren't into it anymore. Also when the retail value in front of his house is worth more THAN his house one has to wonder.

I used to work night stocking for a KB Toy and let me tell you, the in house theft in a toy or collector store is INSANE. I have never seen anything come close to the wholesale disregard these people had.

So when I get on eBay and see someone with a kitchen full of PS3s or TMXs, or whatever I know they were stolen and will have their pal at Toys R Us or wherever to print up a reciept for the auctions sake only to void it out. If they did the simple thing which I described, verrifying accounts and making people uses Serial Numbers off products along with setting the prices at MSRP and letting THE ACTUAL MARKET drive the price up. Then the violence would be severely curbed. As it stands now it's so easy to make a quick buck it's amazing more havin't turned to crime.