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mikizee
11-26-2006, 05:06 AM
Tomorrow marks the day that we will have been in Iraq longer than we were in all of World War II.

That's right. We were able to defeat all of Nazi Germany, Mussolini, and the entire Japanese empire in LESS time than it's taken the world's only superpower to secure the road from the airport to downtown Baghdad.

And we haven't even done THAT. After 1,347 days, in the same time it took us to took us to sweep across North Africa, storm the beaches of Italy, conquer the South Pacific, and liberate all of Western Europe, we cannot, after over 3 and 1/2 years, even take over a single highway and protect ourselves from a homemade device of two tin cans placed in a pothole. No wonder the cab fare from the airport into Baghdad is now running around $35,000 for the 25-minute ride. And that doesn't even include a friggin' helmet.

Is this utter failure the fault of our troops? Hardly. That's because no amount of troops or choppers or democracy shot out of the barrel of a gun is ever going to "win" the war in Iraq. It is a lost war, lost because it never had a right to be won, lost because it was started by men who have never been to war, men who hide behind others sent to fight and die.

Let's listen to what the Iraqi people are saying, according to a recent poll conducted by the University of Maryland:

** 71% of all Iraqis now want the U.S. out of Iraq.

** 61% of all Iraqis SUPPORT insurgent attacks on U.S. troops.

Yes, the vast majority of Iraqi citizens believe that our soldiers should be killed and maimed! So what the hell are we still doing there? Talk about not getting the hint.

There are many ways to liberate a country. Usually the residents of that country rise up and liberate themselves. That's how we did it. You can also do it through nonviolent, mass civil disobedience. That's how India did it. You can get the world to boycott a regime until they are so ostracized they capitulate. That's how South Africa did it. Or you can just wait them out and, sooner or later, the king's legions simply leave (sometimes just because they're too cold). That's how Canada did it.

The one way that DOESN'T work is to invade a country and tell the people, "We are here to liberate you!" -- when they have done NOTHING to liberate themselves. Where were all the suicide bombers when Saddam was oppressing them? Where were the insurgents planting bombs along the roadside as the evildoer Saddam's convoy passed them by? I guess ol' Saddam was a cruel despot -- but not cruel enough for thousands to risk their necks. "Oh no, Mike, they couldn't do that! Saddam would have had them killed!" Really? You don't think King George had any of the colonial insurgents killed? You don't think Patrick Henry or Tom Paine were afraid? That didn't stop them. When tens of thousands aren't willing to shed their own blood to remove a dictator, that should be the first clue that they aren't going to be willing participants when you decide you're going to do the liberating for them.

A country can HELP another people overthrow a tyrant (that's what the French did for us in our revolution), but after you help them, you leave. Immediately. The French didn't stay and tell us how to set up our government. They didn't say, "we're not leaving because we want your natural resources." They left us to our own devices and it took us six years before we had an election. And then we had a bloody civil war. That's what happens, and history is full of these examples. The French didn't say, "Oh, we better stay in America, otherwise they're going to kill each other over that slavery issue!"

The only way a war of liberation has a chance of succeeding is if the oppressed people being liberated have their own citizens behind them -- and a group of Washingtons, Jeffersons, Franklins, Ghandis and Mandellas leading them. Where are these beacons of liberty in Iraq? This is a joke and it's been a joke since the beginning. Yes, the joke's been on us, but with 655,000 Iraqis now dead as a result of our invasion (source: Johns Hopkins University), I guess the cruel joke is on them. At least they've been liberated, permanently.
The responsibility to end this war now falls upon the Democrats. Congress controls the purse strings and the Constitution says only Congress can declare war. Mr. Reid and Ms. Pelosi now hold the power to put an end to this madness. Failure to do so will bring the wrath of the voters. We aren't kidding around, Democrats, and if you don't believe us, just go ahead and continue this war another month. We will fight you harder than we did the Republicans. The opening page of my website has a photo of Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid, each made up by a collage of photos of the American soldiers who have died in Bush's War. But it is now about to become the Bush/Democratic Party War unless swift action is taken.

This is what we demand:

1. Bring the troops home now. Not six months from now. NOW. Quit looking for a way to win. We can't win. We've lost. Sometimes you lose. This is one of those times. Be brave and admit it.

2. Apologize to our soldiers and make amends. Tell them we are sorry they were used to fight a war that had NOTHING to do with our national security. We must commit to taking care of them so that they suffer as little as possible. The mentally and physically maimed must get the best care and significant financial compensation. The families of the deceased deserve the biggest apology and they must be taken care of for the rest of their lives.

3. We must atone for the atrocity we have perpetuated on the people of Iraq. There are few evils worse than waging a war based on a lie, invading another country because you want what they have buried under the ground. Now many more will die. Their blood is on our hands, regardless for whom we voted. If you pay taxes, you have contributed to the three billion dollars a week now being spent to drive Iraq into the hellhole it's become. When the civil war is over, we will have to help rebuild Iraq. We can receive no redemption until we have atoned.

In closing, there is one final thing I know. We Americans are better than what has been done in our name. A majority of us were upset and angry after 9/11 and we lost our minds. We didn't think straight and we never looked at a map. Because we are kept stupid through our pathetic education system and our lazy media, we knew nothing of history. We didn't know that WE were the ones funding and arming Saddam for many years, including those when he massacred the Kurds. He was our guy. We didn't know what a Sunni or a Shiite was, never even heard the words. Eighty percent of our young adults (according to National Geographic) were not able to find Iraq on the map. Our leaders played off our stupidity, manipulated us with lies, and scared us to death.

But at our core we are a good people. We may be slow learners, but that "Mission Accomplished" banner struck us as odd, and soon we began to ask some questions. Then we began to get smart. By this past November 7th, we got mad and tried to right our wrongs. The majority now know the truth. The majority now feel a deep sadness and guilt and a hope that somehow we can make make it all right again.

Unfortunately, we can't. So we will accept the consequences of our actions and do our best to be there should the Iraqi people ever dare to seek our help in the future. We ask for their forgiveness.

We demand the Democrats listen to us and get out of Iraq now.

Yours,

Michael Moore

You have to admit, he does have a point.

Pres Zount
11-26-2006, 05:22 AM
I demand that someone point out the differences between WWII and Iraq! Pronto!

mikizee
11-26-2006, 06:22 AM
Yeah, he kinda fails to point out that England did most of the work or all of the work in Africa and Europe. The US refused to get involved until Japan bombed Pearl Harbor and MADE them get involved. It was really England and Australia and the rest of the Commonwealth that did the hard yards in WWII.

Pres Zount
11-26-2006, 07:38 AM
Sarcasm never pays off NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

DroppinScience
11-26-2006, 02:16 PM
Yeah, he kinda fails to point out that England did most of the work or all of the work in Africa and Europe. The US refused to get involved until Japan bombed Pearl Harbor and MADE them get involved. It was really England and Australia and the rest of the Commonwealth that did the hard yards in WWII.

Hey man, the Iraq war has a coalition toooooooooo!

QueenAdrock
11-26-2006, 02:29 PM
Though I do agree with some of MM's points, his self-righteousness really fuckin' bothers me.

ms.peachy
11-26-2006, 10:26 PM
Yeah, he kinda fails to point out that England did most of the work or all of the work in Africa and Europe. The US refused to get involved until Japan bombed Pearl Harbor and MADE them get involved. It was really England and Australia and the rest of the Commonwealth that did the hard yards in WWII.
Whilst true, it's not entirely germane to his central argument.

Bob
11-26-2006, 10:39 PM
Yeah, he kinda fails to point out that England did most of the work or all of the work in Africa and Europe. The US refused to get involved until Japan bombed Pearl Harbor and MADE them get involved. It was really England and Australia and the rest of the Commonwealth that did the hard yards in WWII.

i think the USSR might have gotten in a scrap or two as well, i'm not sure

QueenAdrock
11-26-2006, 10:52 PM
Bob, you communist.

EN[i]GMA
11-26-2006, 11:27 PM
Yeah, he kinda fails to point out that England did most of the work or all of the work in Africa and Europe. The US refused to get involved until Japan bombed Pearl Harbor and MADE them get involved. It was really England and Australia and the rest of the Commonwealth that did the hard yards in WWII.

Reeeeaaaaaallllyyy it was the Soviets who did the hard work, by far.

But of course they were nearly as bad, if not as bad, if not worse, than the Nazis themselves, so it sort of deadens the whole "victory for the good guys" slant on WWII.

mikizee
11-27-2006, 01:25 AM
Oh yeah, i forgot about those guys

Damn commies!

Pres Zount
11-27-2006, 02:31 AM
Whilst true, it's not entirely germane to his central argument.
Exactly. He's talking to the american people, he's trying to make a point, it doesn't matter.

If he had said that the US had won WWII along with the soviets and the rest of the allies, it wouldn't change the point he made.

And the USSR was way more progressive than the nazis.

Whatitis
11-28-2006, 08:17 PM
It was really England and Australia and the rest of the Commonwealth that did the hard yards in WWII.

The soldiers that raided the beaches at Normandy might have a bit to say about that.

Bob
11-28-2006, 09:45 PM
the british and canadian ones too

sam i am
11-29-2006, 06:19 PM
We demand the Democrats listen to us and get out of Iraq now.

OK.

Only the Democrats.

Get out now.

Go on.

Get.

sam i am
11-29-2006, 06:20 PM
Yeah, he kinda fails to point out that England did most of the work or all of the work in Africa and Europe. The US refused to get involved until Japan bombed Pearl Harbor and MADE them get involved. It was really England and Australia and the rest of the Commonwealth that did the hard yards in WWII.

Plus, the Germans and Italians declared war on the US, not the other way around.

Pres Zount
11-30-2006, 01:23 AM
I might start a WWII thread.

TimDoolan
12-03-2006, 08:50 PM
I might start a WWII thread.

Hammerzeit!