the holocaust concert

[drizl]

i really dont know much about this guy david duke, other than he was into the KKK...but it sounds like he's no longer a part of that. so i cant say i believe everything he says, but he sure handed it to wolf blitzer!

video clip from cnn (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-v2f-WC4cjo)

[drizl]

AIPAC campaign contributions 2005-2006 (http://www.wrmea.com/archives/May-June_2006/0605031.html)

[drizl]

time warner (warner brothers, castle rock, new line cinema, AOL, HBO, cinemax, CBS)
Disney (touchtone, buena vista, miramax, caravan pictures, hollywood pictures, ABC*,Walt Disney Company Book Publishing, Hyperion Books, and Miramax Books, 6 newspapers, and publishes 20 magazines)
Viacom(3 largest TV networks, CBS**,owns 39 television stations, paramount pictures, MTV, showtime, nickelodeon, BET, largest owner of billboards, publishers Simon & Schuster, Scribner, The Free Press, Fireside, and Archway Paperbacks, and blockbuster movie stores)
NBC(universal studios, interscope records, polygram, philips, USA network, Expedia, Ticketmaster, The Home Shopping Network, Lending Tree, Hotels.com, CitySearch, Evite, and Match.com)
others: Fox is not jewish but heavily zionist (and fox owns harper collins, directv, new york post, tv guide)
dreamworks
geffen
spyglass
sony (BMG)

thats just what i found in 30 minutes of searching for jewish controlled media. im not saying that all these companies are zionist, but that they might have a tendency to be partial to zionism:(


*225 affiliated tv stations across the country, 2900 affiliated radio stations, produces 7,200 radio programs, owns 54 radio stations and operates 57
**200 tv station affiliates, 1500 affiliated radio stations,

[drizl]

(!) i meant fox's owner rupert murdoch is not officially jewish.

[drizl]

and let me say this before this gets out of hand...i dont hate jews and im not anti-semetic. i do believe that there is such a thing as AIPAC and jewish controlled media. and i think the holocaust was a terrible event that is taken advantage of by many on both sides. and i think that jailing people who speak out against zionism is a terrible crime. and why do you care so much about mel gibson?

[DroppinScience]

drizl, you're such an easy, easy dupe.

David Duke is a repellent, digusting figure who deserves every sort of ridicule imaginable.

[DroppinScience]

Seriously, are you the valvano of the left? I can't believe how unbelievably lame you are.

[DroppinScience]

You idiot, David Duke is a "white nationalist," which is just code for a kindler, gentler white supremacist!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Duke

Stop watching The X-Files and start embracing reality!

[QueenAdrock]

Stop watching The X-Files and start embracing reality!

But...but...the truth is OUT there! :(

[Bob]

i really dont know much about this guy david duke, other than he was into the KKK...but it sounds like he's no longer a part of that. so i cant say i believe everything he says, but he sure handed it to wolf blitzer!

video clip from cnn (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-v2f-WC4cjo)

if by "into the KKK" you mean "founded it in louisiana" then yes! david duke was into the KKK for a time!

[DroppinScience]

Dammit, are you that gullible you're going to believe any little nugget of misconstrued information from them "anti-Zionists"?

Speaking of Jewish-run media, why didn't you add Jon Stewart? Surely, he's a part of the conspiracy! How about the Beastie Boys? Heck, beastieboys.com is Ground Zero of the Zionist conspiracy, maaaan.

You're giving me a headache!

[drizl]

you ask me if i believe in david duke, i say no, i dont take him as my personal savior. all i was saying was that i agree with his points on this cnn show, and i also believe wolf blitzer is a tool and that the media in this country and in any pro-israel country is owned by jews.

and like i stated later on, i dont believe that all jews are evil. i do, however, believe that one of the reasons there is so much pro-jew zionist bent, is because there are only a few large corporations that are at the top, owning almost all tv, radio, and newspaper outlets....and that the owners of such large corporations are probably evil whether they are jewsh or not.

now, when you observe the zionist propaganda in the media- the reaction to mel gibsons drunk ranting and raving, the way the conflict in lebanon was handled with little to no mention of the innocent palestinian and lebanese deaths, which vastly outnumbered those in israel who were glorified and we all cried for them all day and night...when you look at the way media is spun, and see who controls them, then it becomes clear what is going on.

are the beastieboys evil, fuck no. is john stewart evil? fuck no. is jerry seinfeld evil, fuck no. but why do we have so many jewish "role models" presented too us. why dont we hear about palestinians? why is everything about israel. why do we dump billions of dollars into our military spending so that israel can continue to have a military?

[drizl]

Dammit, are you that gullible you're going to believe any little nugget of misconstrued information from them "anti-Zionists"?

Speaking of Jewish-run media, why didn't you add Jon Stewart? Surely, he's a part of the conspiracy! How about the Beastie Boys? Heck, beastieboys.com is Ground Zero of the Zionist conspiracy, maaaan.

You're giving me a headache!

so tell my DS. do you believe in the jewish lobby?:D

are you gullible enough to believe in the media?

is there anything that david duke said in that interview that is wrong?

[QueenAdrock]

are you gullible enough to believe in the media?

No way man. His eyes have been open. I told him yesterday he should listen to conspiracy theories instead because they're credible sources of information. So now he only listens to .org websites because that's what people who think outside the box do, man.

is there anything that david duke said in that interview that is wrong?

So you're saying you agree with a white supremicist ex-leader of the KKK?
Well, to each his own. I personally don't want to hear anything the man has to say because I find him to be a sick human being.

[DroppinScience]

now, when you observe the zionist propaganda in the media- the reaction to mel gibsons drunk ranting and raving, the way the conflict in lebanon was handled with little to no mention of the innocent palestinian and lebanese deaths, which vastly outnumbered those in israel who were glorified and we all cried for them all day and night...when you look at the way media is spun, and see who controls them, then it becomes clear what is going on.


So outrage at your hero Mel Gibson's "Jews are responsible for all wars" comment was out of the line for the media to attack? Please. :rolleyes:

And you know what? The media mentioned LOTS of innocent Lebanese deaths this summer. They even discussed the environmental impact the beaches would have on all this bombing, etc. I saw it all on the Zionist network of CNN.

Your "I'm no anti-Semite, buuuuuuut... there's an international Jewish conspiracy going down" reeks of gullible idiocy. (n)

[MC Moot]

DroppinScience i don't have the energy to address this child today,but I appreciate that you do,killing them softly with the science so obvious,nice work,friend....hicks don't mix with politics.....(y)


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[The Notorious LOL]

I find it strange that anytime anyone raises any sort of a "but how do we know?" point of view regarding the holocaust, its strongly frowned upon even though the same attitude is generally encouraged when it comes to anything else in history.

I also find it strange that we build memorials for the holocaust but try very hard to pretend that we didnt do the same shit with native americans or blacks for hundreds of years. The numbers of those slaughtered is far higher considering both of those went on for hundreds of years.

[EN[i]GMA]

I find it strange that anytime anyone raises any sort of a "but how do we know?" point of view regarding the holocaust, its strongly frowned upon even though the same attitude is generally encouraged when it comes to anything else in history.

I think the problem is, any serious attempt to question the Holocaust is, for or better or worse, automatically associated with Holocaust denial and Nazism, because most of the people questioning it ARE of that persuasion.

It's perfectly understandable, really, if not ideal.

Ideally, you could respond with basic facts and persuade doubters.


I also find it strange that we build memorials for the holocaust but try very hard to pretend that we didnt do the same shit with native americans or blacks for hundreds of years. The numbers of those slaughtered is far higher considering both of those went on for hundreds of years.

The fact that it was recent and that people who lived through it are still alive and influential plays into a lot of it.

When popular books and movies are made about constantly, it stays in the public conscience more.

Again, unfortunate, but the way things worked out.

[The Notorious LOL]

civil rights act was passed in 1964, the holocaust was in the 1940s...yet, people seem to have this "you're still complaining about racism?" attitude.

[saz]

nazi germany's holocaust, the extermination of approximately eleven million people is the most documented genocide to have ever occurred in the history of our civilization. i really don't see the need to question it, but rather the motives of those who are bent on questioning, and in even some cases attacking the victims and those who were victimized by nazi germany.

i respect that nations such as germany and austria acknowledge, don't run away from it, and take full responsibility for the holocaust. and meanwhile it's appalling that america, and other nations that participated in the slave trade and slaughter of indigenious people, have done nothing of the sort.

[drizl]

queen, i never said that i agree with everything david duke says, just that his points made regarding zionism, AIPAC and wolf blitzer are very true. i think all KKK members are peices of shit.

it is so beaten in to us, to recognize the holocaust as the worst thing that has ever happened in the universe, and that anyone who questions the holocaust should be shunned and denied freedom of speech....

if you look at how the rothschilds funded both sides of the war when all those innocent people (jews) were murdered, you see the hypocracy, and you see why people say such comments as "jews are responsible for this and that".

Now, i dont categorize all jews as one. just as i dont categorize all christians as one, or blacks, or asians etc...

THERE ARE ALWAYS GOOD AND BAD PEOPLE, of every color race creed religion.

what i am referring to is that there is a small group of highly connected and rich jewish people who own the media conglomerates of this country, and of england and many other countries, and that THEY are responsible for us being so sensitive on the jewish issue, THEY are responsible for the public being so judgemental of islamic people, THEY are responsible for persuading us that we need to go to war with iraq. THEY (this small number of rich and well connected media owners who happen to be jewish and push the zionist agenda) are the ones who seek total control over what we see and hear on TV, radio, newspapers, billboards etc....


fuck you for attacking me. i am just speaking my truth.

[drizl]

sazi- i have a mint copy of that humble pie fillmore show on vinyl- good shite!

[Auton]

no, people are sensitive about it because it terrible. and who takes anything on televised news seriously anyway?

[The Notorious LOL]

it would be absolutely ridiculous to deny outright that it happened...my point is more from the perspective of the who/what/when/why aspect. The "official" story isnt always the truth, so thats why I bring it up.

[saz]

fair enough, but it's pretty clear cut that hitler was hell bent on exterminating the jewish race, and others he viewed as unfit to live within the greater german living space. anti-semitism was rife throughout europe during that period and even more so beforehand. czarist russia was a hostile environment toward jews, and it's where the protocols of the elders of zion was first published.

and there are certain media, film, and publishing outlets that are owned by jewish people, but big deal. to suggest that there is some sort of international zionist conspiracy, or that jews are bent on taking over control of the world is completely absurd and extreme right-wing bullshit. the only dilemma which does exist is a pro-israeli slant in some portions of the media, but it's really not that blatant, unless of course you turn on fox news. individual cnn reporters do show a little bias towards israel at times, however that is countered by other correspondents who do not ignore the plight, squalor and utter poverty of the palestinians, or the killing of lebanese civilians this past summer.

[drizl]

fair enough, but it's pretty clear cut that hitler was hell bent on exterminating the jewish race, and others he viewed as unfit to live within the greater german living space. anti-semitism was rife throughout europe during that period and even more so beforehand. czarist russia was a hostile environment toward jews, and it's where the protocols of the elders of zion was first published.

and there are certain media, film, and publishing outlets that are owned by jewish people, but big deal. to suggest that there is some sort of international zionist conspiracy, or that jews are bent on taking over control of the world is completely absurd and extreme right-wing bullshit. the only dilemma which does exist is a pro-israeli slant in some portions of the media, but it's really not that blatant, unless of course you turn on fox news. individual cnn reporters do show a little bias towards israel at times, however that is countered by other correspondents who do not ignore the plight, squalor and utter poverty of the palestinians, or the killing of lebanese civilians this past summer.


i would argue that most all media outlets in this country are biased towards israel and against iran and palestine (two enemies of the israeli state). that is an attempt to persuade the american public to support the jewish state...in almost every corner in the mainstream media, and that is, shall i say, zionistic.

[drizl]

do some research and youd be suprised what you find when it comes to the media and the israeli lobby.

[drizl]

Carter Decries Zionist
Control Over Discourse
Speaking Frankly About Israel And Palestine
By Jimmy Carter
Los Angeles Times (Excerpt)
12-15-6


I signed a contract with Simon & Schuster two years ago to write a book about the Middle East, based on my personal observations as the Carter Center monitored three elections in Palestine...

The many controversial issues concerning Palestine and the path to peace for Israel are intensely debated among Israelis and throughout other nations - but not in the United States.

For the last 30 years, I have witnessed and experienced the severe restraints on any free and balanced discussion of the facts. This reluctance to criticize any policies of the Israeli government is because of the extraordinary lobbying efforts of the American-Israel Political Action Committee and the absence of any significant contrary voices.

It would be almost politically suicidal for members of Congress to espouse a balanced position between Israel and Palestine, to suggest that Israel comply with international law or to speak in defense of justice or human rights for Palestinians. Very few would ever deign to visit the Palestinian cities of Ramallah, Nablus, Hebron, Gaza City or even Bethlehem and talk to the beleaguered residents.

What is even more difficult to comprehend is why the editorial pages of the major newspapers and magazines in the United States exercise similar self-restraint, quite contrary to private assessments expressed quite forcefully by their correspondents in the Holy Land.

...Although I have spent only a week or so on a book tour so far, it is already possible to judge public and media reaction. Sales are brisk, and I have had interesting interviews on TV, including "Larry King Live," "Hardball," "Meet the Press," "The NewsHour With Jim Lehrer," the "Charlie Rose" show, C-SPAN and others.

But I have seen few news stories in major newspapers about what I have written.

Book reviews in the mainstream media have been written mostly by representatives of Jewish organizations who would be unlikely to visit the occupied territories, and their primary criticism is that the book is anti-Israel.

Two members of Congress have been publicly critical. Incoming House Speaker Nancy Pelosi for instance, issued a statement (before the book was published) saying that "he does not speak for the Democratic Party on Israel." ...Alan Dershowitz called the book's title "indecent."

Out in the real world, however, the response has been overwhelmingly positive. I've signed books in five stores, with more than 1,000 buyers at each site. I've had one negative remark - that I should be tried for treason - and one caller on C-SPAN said that I was an anti-Semite.

My most troubling experience has been the rejection of my offers to speak, for free, about the book on university campuses with high Jewish enrollment and to answer questions from students and professors.

...The book describes the abominable oppression and persecution in the occupied Palestinian territories, with a rigid system of required passes and strict segregation between Palestine's citizens and Jewish settlers in the West Bank.

An enormous imprisonment wall is now under construction, snaking through what is left of Palestine to encompass more and more land for Israeli settlers. In many ways, this is more oppressive than what blacks lived under in South Africa during apartheid.

...the motivation is ...the desire of a minority of Israelis to confiscate and colonize choice sites in Palestine, and then to forcefully suppress any objections from the displaced citizens.

...in (Arab) East Jerusalem...under severe Israeli restraints, only about 2% of registered voters managed to cast ballots (in the last election)...

Jimmy Carter was the 39th president of the United States. His newest book is "Palestine: Peace Not Apartheid," published last month.

[D_Raay]

What is ironic is that equating Zionism with Jewishness, is adopting the very tactic favoured by anti-semites.

[D_Raay]

Pointing fingers at the world for its indifference to the genocide of the Jews, while busy using the Holocaust for political gains at the expense of the Palestinians, Zionists have a lot to hide about their indifference, even collaboration, with the Nazis and the Fascists, as their fellow Jews were being sent to concentration camps. It seems that this finger-pointing by the Zionists is nothing more than a smoke screen to hide their dark past of allowing other Jews to die, while the Zionists were lobbying to rob Palestinians of their country. Excellent books on the topic are Zionism in the Age of the Dictators by Lenni Brenner and The Seventh Million by Tom Segev; (both authors are Jews).

[Funkaloyd]

...the reaction to mel gibsons drunk ranting and raving...'Cause if he had said "crime is the result of black people", he would have got off scot-free

[afronaut]

Hey guy, I'm no fan of Zionism, but you make us all look bad when you start using shit David fucking Duke says for your arguments. It should be fairly obvious that someone who used to dress up in Nazi costumes and celebrate Hitler's birthday probably doesn't have anything really reliable to say about Jews, some Zionist conspiracy, or the holocaust. Seriously, research this guy. Look at that wikipedia article, you actually think that anything that guy says is not dripping with his own spin on the truth? His days of dressing like a Nazi and being a member of the KKK may have been a long time ago. But David Duke fails to mention that he is the exact same person and believes in the exact same things that he did back then.

Anyway, I'm glad you believe in the Five Jew Bankers. Hey dude, theres this book, I think sazi mentioned it. "The Protocols of the Elders of Zion." I think you'd dig it, brah.

Let me ask you something though, why is it a few well connected rich Jews that are running America? You have to be Jewish to be a Zionist? I'd say a lot of people in our government who are running things are Zionist, and are not Jews, and are not victims of some evil Jewish mind control majikkk. Could it just be that Washington is corrupt, we have had huge investment in backing Israel for a very long time, Israel is one of our biggest allies, and it's more of a we scratch your back and you scratch ours deal? Come on, we're corrupt. I'd say that if it doesn't have anything to do with the fact that Israel are one of our biggest and oldest allies, it has to do with greed. I'm sure it's more fun to think there's some huge jewspiracy going on. Listen, you think that we'd really turn on our biggest ally to *gasp* actually do the RIGHT thing for once? Fuck no. Greed. If not greed, some lame ass sense of loyalty. Oh, but I forgot. Greed is a Jewish invention.

Israel is what, our only ally in the middle east and the biggest beacon of capitalism in the middle east? Come on, we have a strong foothold over there with Israel. Of course we want to bomb everyone over there and ensure Israel's continued success, and expand her and our influence in the middle east. Israel and the US are closely linked, and you know what? It has nothing to do with the US being the "Jewnited States of America" or some huge Jewish conspiracy.

Sure, we could try to work things out over there with the existing governments and try diplomacy. But that doesn't ensure any kind of foothold of ours over there. That doesn't ensure a McDonalds and Starbucks on every block. That doesn't ensure any real, strong, or steady allies. That doesn't ensure the spread of US styled "democracy" and capitalism. So what, we should try diplomacy and the peaceful way because it's the right thing to do?

If Jewish lobbyists are behind the war in Iraq and our aggression towards the middle east, then the fast food lobbyists are just as much to blame and just as much as part of the conspiracy.

[drizl]

again, brah,
im never said i endorsed this guy, and i never said that david duke was a hero. as you can see by the title of the post, i thought it was just another peice to the concierto that is going on right now in the media with this whole "holocaust deniers, iranian nuke wanting sympathizers" and blah blah blah. turn on the tv, its the hottest topic.
and i can post whatever i want. this is the fucking internet. for now, its free.

i dont know the five jewish bankers, but i have read a few things about the rothschilds and the whole nazi funding gig. and i dont really want to read the protocols of zion right now.

for me, the point i am trying to make is that AIPAC is within our government, is within our media, and we are all suckers for it. andanyone who speaks differently is shunned and pushed in a corner. and that i thought it was funny how david duke handed it to wolf blitzer.

everything else you said i think is right on(y)

[drizl]

except for the fast food comment. what do you mean by that?:confused:

[DroppinScience]

for me, the point i am trying to make is that AIPAC is within our government, is within our media, and we are all suckers for it. andanyone who speaks differently is shunned and pushed in a corner. and that i thought it was funny how david duke handed it to wolf blitzer.

You may not have openly embraced David Duke, but you should be highly aware that even REMOTELY siding with David Duke automatically cancels you out of this discussion.

It's stuff like that that will make you the biggest laughing stock there is. While you can say whatever you feel on the internet, you should know you have to expect to be put on blast, and ESPECIALLY for "Here's a link of David Duke, he sure showed Blitzer!"

And I've seen that clip, and Duke didn't hand ANYTHING to Blitzer. Duke was an utter joke, and if there is some Zionist conspiracy or none at all, Duke more than deserves being ripped to shreds on national television. The man just attended a Holocaust denial convention.

Afronaut's on point, it's corruption that is universal and crosses religious lines. Your alarmist "Jewish conspiracy!" mantra is just that, sensationalism. You're like fucktopgirl, only with a better handling of the English language.

While you quoted some Carter, I admire what he's trying to do with his new book, and if it opens up more debate (which it has), all the better.

[afronaut]

except for the fast food comment. what do you mean by that?:confused:
The fast food is an example. McDonalds, Starbucks, Wal Mart, Wendy's, Kraft Food etc etc have as much to gain from the conquest of the middle east than anyone else.

And I'll repeat. There is no conspiracy. America is Zionist. There is no secret about that. We make no secret about it. We've backed Israel for a long time. Israel backs us. Our one real foothold in the Middle East. It is no secret that America is run by Zionists. Not Jews. Zionists. If supporting the state of Israel = Zionist, then yes. No one makes a secret about being Zionist, and it's no huge secret why we are Zionist. Our leaders, our presidents, our politicians make no secrets about supporting Israel. What is to blow open? Are we supporting Israel because of some huge Jewish lobby? No. Supporting Israel is as American as apple pie and baseball.

America isn't Israels puppet. Israel is America fortress in the middle east. Our little Oasis of capitalism and American styled democracy, one of our biggest allies, smack dab in the middle of a very hostile region.

Religion has a big part to play in it too. I've heard direct quotes from Christians that they believe if we turn our backs on Israel, god will reign his vengeance upon us.

And unfortunate as it may be, America is a Christian nation. Whether our forefathers intended it that way or not in the beginning, we sure are now.

[sam i am]

Carter Decries Zionist
Control Over Discourse
Speaking Frankly About Israel And Palestine
By Jimmy Carter
Los Angeles Times (Excerpt)
12-15-6


I signed a contract with Simon & Schuster two years ago to write a book about the Middle East, based on my personal observations as the Carter Center monitored three elections in Palestine...

The many controversial issues concerning Palestine and the path to peace for Israel are intensely debated among Israelis and throughout other nations - but not in the United States.

For the last 30 years, I have witnessed and experienced the severe restraints on any free and balanced discussion of the facts. This reluctance to criticize any policies of the Israeli government is because of the extraordinary lobbying efforts of the American-Israel Political Action Committee and the absence of any significant contrary voices.

It would be almost politically suicidal for members of Congress to espouse a balanced position between Israel and Palestine, to suggest that Israel comply with international law or to speak in defense of justice or human rights for Palestinians. Very few would ever deign to visit the Palestinian cities of Ramallah, Nablus, Hebron, Gaza City or even Bethlehem and talk to the beleaguered residents.

What is even more difficult to comprehend is why the editorial pages of the major newspapers and magazines in the United States exercise similar self-restraint, quite contrary to private assessments expressed quite forcefully by their correspondents in the Holy Land.

...Although I have spent only a week or so on a book tour so far, it is already possible to judge public and media reaction. Sales are brisk, and I have had interesting interviews on TV, including "Larry King Live," "Hardball," "Meet the Press," "The NewsHour With Jim Lehrer," the "Charlie Rose" show, C-SPAN and others.

But I have seen few news stories in major newspapers about what I have written.

Book reviews in the mainstream media have been written mostly by representatives of Jewish organizations who would be unlikely to visit the occupied territories, and their primary criticism is that the book is anti-Israel.

Two members of Congress have been publicly critical. Incoming House Speaker Nancy Pelosi for instance, issued a statement (before the book was published) saying that "he does not speak for the Democratic Party on Israel." ...Alan Dershowitz called the book's title "indecent."

Out in the real world, however, the response has been overwhelmingly positive. I've signed books in five stores, with more than 1,000 buyers at each site. I've had one negative remark - that I should be tried for treason - and one caller on C-SPAN said that I was an anti-Semite.

My most troubling experience has been the rejection of my offers to speak, for free, about the book on university campuses with high Jewish enrollment and to answer questions from students and professors.

...The book describes the abominable oppression and persecution in the occupied Palestinian territories, with a rigid system of required passes and strict segregation between Palestine's citizens and Jewish settlers in the West Bank.

An enormous imprisonment wall is now under construction, snaking through what is left of Palestine to encompass more and more land for Israeli settlers. In many ways, this is more oppressive than what blacks lived under in South Africa during apartheid.

...the motivation is ...the desire of a minority of Israelis to confiscate and colonize choice sites in Palestine, and then to forcefully suppress any objections from the displaced citizens.

...in (Arab) East Jerusalem...under severe Israeli restraints, only about 2% of registered voters managed to cast ballots (in the last election)...

Jimmy Carter was the 39th president of the United States. His newest book is "Palestine: Peace Not Apartheid," published last month.

And yet Jimmy Carter is afraid to debate the Holocaust or Zionism with Alan Dershowitz.

Hmmm....must not believe too strongly in what he writes about if he's afraid to defend his idiotic ideology.

[sam i am]

Religion has a big part to play in it too. I've heard direct quotes from Christians that they believe if we turn our backs on Israel, god will reign his vengeance upon us.

And unfortunate as it may be, America is a Christian nation. Whether our forefathers intended it that way or not in the beginning, we sure are now.

This is actually pretty good insight.

EXCEPT....

Remember when Carter and Clinton sold Israel out during their terms? Remember when the US asked Israel to give up the Sinai to secure peace with Egypt, a Muslim nation? Remember when Jordan signed a peace accord with Israel and recognized it's right to exist? Remember when Israel became a member of the United Nations with votes from the vast majority of countries around the world? Remember when the UN Resolution equating zionism to racism was rescinded in 1992?

No?

Because it doesn't fit into the narrow, bigoted, ridiculous, retarded nature of the views of those who are so strangled with their conspiracy delusions that they can't view or embrace reality anymore. Know where people like that usually end up? With white jackets in rubber rooms....

[drizl]

You may not have openly embraced David Duke, but you should be highly aware that even REMOTELY siding with David Duke automatically cancels you out of this discussion.

It's stuff like that that will make you the biggest laughing stock there is. While you can say whatever you feel on the internet, you should know you have to expect to be put on blast, and ESPECIALLY for "Here's a link of David Duke, he sure showed Blitzer!"

And I've seen that clip, and Duke didn't hand ANYTHING to Blitzer. Duke was an utter joke, and if there is some Zionist conspiracy or none at all, Duke more than deserves being ripped to shreds on national television. The man just attended a Holocaust denial convention.

Afronaut's on point, it's corruption that is universal and crosses religious lines. Your alarmist "Jewish conspiracy!" mantra is just that, sensationalism. You're like fucktopgirl, only with a better handling of the English language.

While you quoted some Carter, I admire what he's trying to do with his new book, and if it opens up more debate (which it has), all the better.

oh fuck you, im not concerned about my image on the internet. david duke did handle it to wolf blitzer. you are a fucking blind ass.

[DroppinScience]

oh fuck you, im not concerned about my image on the internet. david duke did handle it to wolf blitzer. you are a fucking blind ass.

If by "fucking blind ass" you mean not swallowing bullshit from people who celebrate Hitler's birthday, then, why yes, I sure am.

[drizl]

blind ass as in this post was how david duke handed it to wolf blitzer and why he handed it to him, what AIPAC is, and how they work. if you werent so unable to comprehend the facts, then you would see the point in all of it.

but instead you want to focus on his past, and how you interprit my post to be one which glorifies the KKK and hitler.

zionism is real, so was the holocaust. wolf blitzer had duke on just to discredit him, and instead, duke faught back and won the battle, discrediting and shaming wolf blitzer. they are probably both sonsabitches. but that was never my point.

[Pres Zount]

Yeah. We know zionism is real. Read afronauts post, it was really good.

[DroppinScience]

but instead you want to focus on his past, and how you interprit my post to be one which glorifies the KKK and hitler.


His past is ever-present today. You realize he's a very popular figure of STORMFRONT, the biggest white nationalist/supremacist internet group out there. Yeah, he may not officially be part of the KKK today, but a leopard never changes his spots. He's the furthest thing from a tolerant and inclusive individual. I'm sure some of his best friends are Jews.

I must echo Zount and say to read afronaut's post. To save you some scrolling, I'll quote it for you and even bold the important parts:

The fast food is an example. McDonalds, Starbucks, Wal Mart, Wendy's, Kraft Food etc etc have as much to gain from the conquest of the middle east than anyone else.

And I'll repeat. There is no conspiracy. America is Zionist. There is no secret about that. We make no secret about it. We've backed Israel for a long time. Israel backs us. Our one real foothold in the Middle East. It is no secret that America is run by Zionists. Not Jews. Zionists. If supporting the state of Israel = Zionist, then yes. No one makes a secret about being Zionist, and it's no huge secret why we are Zionist. Our leaders, our presidents, our politicians make no secrets about supporting Israel. What is to blow open? Are we supporting Israel because of some huge Jewish lobby? No. Supporting Israel is as American as apple pie and baseball.

America isn't Israels puppet. Israel is America fortress in the middle east. Our little Oasis of capitalism and American styled democracy, one of our biggest allies, smack dab in the middle of a very hostile region.

Religion has a big part to play in it too. I've heard direct quotes from Christians that they believe if we turn our backs on Israel, god will reign his vengeance upon us.

And unfortunate as it may be, America is a Christian nation. Whether our forefathers intended it that way or not in the beginning, we sure are now.

[drizl]

call it conspiracy theory, call it zionism, call it reality! whatever you want to call it, it is real and it needs to be understood so that we can put an end to it.

[D_Raay]

I think afronaut's post is dead on as well; I believe the deeper problem is the aggression shown and undertaken on behalf of Israel and in conjunction with this Zionist agenda. The American people are not made privy to this agenda, or it's outcome, or whether it is something that should be supported at all. The American people, largely, are not zionist by relation to their government.

Make no mistake about it either, the engine runs on the people's blood and money. Certainly, they should have a say in it.

[sam i am]

I think afronaut's post is dead on as well; I believe the deeper problem is the aggression shown and undertaken on behalf of Israel and in conjunction with this Zionist agenda. The American people are not made privy to this agenda, or it's outcome, or whether it is something that should be supported at all. The American people, largely, are not zionist by relation to their government.

Make no mistake about it either, the engine runs on the people's blood and money. Certainly, they should have a say in it.

D -

How is ANY of the following "Zionist?" :

Remember when Carter and Clinton sold Israel out during their terms? Remember when the US asked Israel to give up the Sinai to secure peace with Egypt, a Muslim nation? Remember when Jordan signed a peace accord with Israel and recognized it's right to exist? Remember when Israel became a member of the United Nations with votes from the vast majority of countries around the world? Remember when the UN Resolution equating zionism to racism was rescinded in 1992?

No?

Because it doesn't fit into the narrow, bigoted, ridiculous, retarded nature of the views of those who are so strangled with their conspiracy delusions that they can't view or embrace reality anymore. Know where people like that usually end up? With white jackets in rubber rooms....

[D_Raay]

D -

How is ANY of the following "Zionist?" :
I wasn't responding to your post sam :)

[drizl]

zionism is real. the suffering of the jews and the palestinians is real. the u.s. makes it worse because we keep funding the jews in this war. the public support for the israe-lies is a result of media and education feeding it to the people. the people are at fault for eating it up and supporting such a disaster (the continued occupation and war between israel and palestine).

zionism is just a word. its all a big fucking game and no one wins. innocent people are more often than not, the victims.

[sam i am]

zionism is real. the suffering of the jews and the palestinians is real. the u.s. makes it worse because we keep funding the jews in this war. the public support for the israe-lies is a result of media and education feeding it to the people. the people are at fault for eating it up and supporting such a disaster (the continued occupation and war between israel and palestine).

zionism is just a word. its all a big fucking game and no one wins. innocent people are more often than not, the victims.

Why not actually read the above posts instead of staying on your single-minded mission of ineptitude?

[sam i am]

I wasn't responding to your post sam :)

K. ;)