Old School Rap is gay

[The Notorious LOL]

Im talking like 1977-1985. I realize its cool to really tout MCs who were in their prime when everyone here was between the ages of 3 and -10, but overall its completely retarded. The rapping consists of nothing but talking about how they're rapping, pointing out how good they are at rapping, followed with crowd chants for about a minute and a half. The second verse typically illustrates how the person who is creating the sounds they are rapping over is a DJ, and not only is he a DJ, but he is the VERY BEST DJ EVER and then the remainder of the verse is spent talking about their DJ.


retarded.

[ggirlballa]

yea it was corny & the beats weren't that hard untill run dmc came along

[Nygel]

generic crunk rap though, that shit is banging :)

[EN[i]GMA]

Im talking like 1977-1985. I realize its cool to really tout MCs who were in their prime when everyone here was between the ages of 3 and -10, but overall its completely retarded. The rapping consists of nothing but talking about how they're rapping, pointing out how good they are at rapping, followed with crowd chants for about a minute and a half. The second verse typically illustrates how the person who is creating the sounds they are rapping over is a DJ, and not only is he a DJ, but he is the VERY BEST DJ EVER and then the remainder of the verse is spent talking about their DJ.


retarded.

You're leaving out the important genre of rapping about Basketball.

[Helvete]

There was nothing else to rap about in them days.

[kaiser soze]

looks like the shit is coming full circle with the wack beats and crap they rap about now

[Deep_Sea_Rain]

generic crunk rap though, that shit is banging :)

Word...who needs Kurtis Blow when you have Fiddy?

[ToucanSpam]

I always wondered what the guy from the B-52s would sound like if he was rapping.

[DroppinScience]

Of course it's simplistic, but that's why it was fun.

Same reason I enjoy lots of '50s rock.

[kleptomaniac]

looks like the shit is coming full circle with the wack beats and crap they rap about now

i prefer the old school :cool:

however i do agree with what you're saying about rap music nowdays...it's played out.

[ggirlballa]

There was nothing else to rap about in them days.

yes there was but they just didn't bother to rap about it, it wasn't untill "The Message" came out that somebody was talking about how hard it is to live in the ghetto

the 80's was the crack decade remember?

[koolBASD]

Scoolly D was rappin' about how he's proud to be a black man.In every song:eek:

[mickill]

STFU^

I don't really like rap from before 1983, but there are a handful of (true) old school groups I like quite a bit. Namely the Treacherous 3, who didn't rap anything like their peers, such as the Furious 5 or Funky 4+1 or whoever. They were way ahead of the pack. And the New Rap Language is still one of my favorite songs EVAR.

However, by lumping '84 and '85 in with the old(er) school, you're shitting on classics by Doug E. Fresh/Slick Rick, Juice Crew, LL, Run DMC, Mantronix, T-La Rock and THE BEASTIE BOYZ. And that is NOT cool man. NOT COOL.

[mickill]

That being said, Rapper's Delight is one of the my most hated rap songs ever.

[saz]

generally speaking, i think that a lot of music from the 80s is pretty bad. it just sounds way too dated, ie cheese synthesizers, those guitar keyboard thingys (http://www.dorkingout.com/images/keytard.jpg), bad drum machines, and of course the electronic drums (http://content.answers.com/main/content/wp/en/thumb/d/d0/200px-SimmonsKit.jpg).

[yeahwho]

Put a pink triangle and lock on this thread.

[Jitters]

generally speaking, i think that a lot of music from the 80s is pretty bad. it just sounds way too dated, ie cheese synthesizers, those guitar keyboard thingys (http://www.dorkingout.com/images/keytard.jpg), bad drum machines, and of course the electronic drums (http://content.answers.com/main/content/wp/en/thumb/d/d0/200px-SimmonsKit.jpg).

I couldn't agree more, almost nothing from the 80's really holds up well especially when compared to music from other decades.

The only stuff that holds up well is SOME of the stuff by Prince and a few of the better rap acts.

[ggirlballa]

However, by lumping '84 and '85 in with the old(er) school, you're shitting on classics by Doug E. Fresh/Slick Rick, Juice Crew, LL, Run DMC, Mantronix, T-La Rock and THE BEASTIE BOYZ. And that is NOT cool man. NOT COOL.

the classic songs i <3

[DroppinScience]

I couldn't agree more, almost nothing from the 80's really holds up well especially when compared to music from other decades.

The only stuff that holds up well is SOME of the stuff by Prince and a few of the better rap acts.

Ludicrous. The 1980s was home to some of the best underground/DIY/college rock music there ever was, which set the stage for '90s "alternative."

Sure, there was some terrible commercial stuff, but you can't let that speak for the decade as a whole.

[g-mile7]

This thread is classic LOL material. It was the begining man, people were just learning the craft its only right that it would sound dated compared to later songs and your argument of predictablity can be implied to the raps today. To call it retarded is retarded. At least respect a time where hoes, dough and dope werent the defining aspects of this Black/Hispanic (to an extent) artform.

[Documad]

I'm horrible at remembering what happened in what year, but back then, I had a very difficult time figuring out what to buy. I'd have to go downtown on a bus just to buy a magazine from NYC that might even mention rap records. And then I'd have to buy the 12" (without ever hearing it) at a college record store which would have a small section for such odd ball records. At the time, it felt like I was plugging into something exotic (frankly everything coming out of NYC seemed exotic at the time). Today, Stevie Wonder's stuff from the early 1970s sounds fresher to my old ears, but it was fun at the time.

P.S. 1982 was a great year for non-rap music. :p

[Documad]

This thread is classic LOL material.
Did you mean for that to have a double meaning? Because I think you were quite clever to put it that way.

[Drederick Tatum]

Rappers Delight may have no credibility, but you put that on at a party, the crowd goes bananas.

[ggirlballa]

Rappers Delight may have no credibility, but you put that on at a party, the crowd goes bananas.

thats true thats probally the only old skool song i could play at a party of mine cuz the crowd would actually know it, if i put on some kurtis blow or treacherous three or doug e fresh & slick rick they'd be all "WTF is that?"

the only rap song from the 80's i think they would know would be "Brass Monkey" "Girls" & "Push it" & maybe "walk this way" & thats when rap music was blowing up not when it was still in NY or as some people call it "middle skool"?



*this being a crowd of 13 & 14 year-olds my age

[Brother McDuff]

Im talking like 1977-1985. I realize its cool to really tout MCs who were in their prime when everyone here was between the ages of 3 and -10, but overall its completely retarded. The rapping consists of nothing but talking about how they're rapping, pointing out how good they are at rapping, followed with crowd chants for about a minute and a half. The second verse typically illustrates how the person who is creating the sounds they are rapping over is a DJ, and not only is he a DJ, but he is the VERY BEST DJ EVER and then the remainder of the verse is spent talking about their DJ.


retarded.

that's a pretty ignorant thing to say, honestly.

[nypb]

Back in the late 70’s/early 80’s music was contrived, either Disco or top 40 crap. Rap music was like nothing we ever heard before. It may sound corny to you now but back then it was revolutionary. Run DMC, Whodini, LL, Kurtis Blow, the Treacherous Three, the Crash Crew, Grandmaster Flash were all pioneers. Kool DJ Red Alert on Friday and Chuck Chillout on Saturday. Are you even from New York? If not then you probably wouldn’t understand anyway.

So are you saying that you prefer the violence, degradation of women and homophobia (nice thread title BTW) that is so prevalent in hip hop today?

[icy manipulator]

everything on the GTA Vice City Wildstyle FM soundtrack kicks ass

[gorilla]

the abacus came before the computer you fool, yet I don't hear you knocking the abacus..... wtf is wrong with you?

[The Notorious LOL]

that's a pretty ignorant thing to say, honestly.


nah.

[g-mile7]

Did you mean for that to have a double meaning? Because I think you were quite clever to put it that way.
Yes and thanks

[g-mile7]

the abacus came before the computer you fool, yet I don't hear you knocking the abacus..... wtf is wrong with you?
genuis.

[pshabi]

genuis.
moran

[g-mile7]

moran
Who?

[roosta]

abacuses were wack

[cj hood]

you can't know the future unless you know the past........i just got a Bobbito cd "Vinyl Exams"......the shits nuts.....ultramagnetic mc's, treachorous 3, just-ice, funky 4 + 1....ill!!!

i'll take that over today's bullshit anyday!

[saz]

The only stuff that holds up well is SOME of the stuff by Prince and a few of the better rap acts.

i'd say that prince, along with bob ezrin's production for the wall, set the precedent for that dated 80s cheese sound. although i given some slack and exception to prince, because he is a great talent, and there were a lot of prince imimators. the wall demos were great, but ezrin butchered it. pretty much everything he did after school's out for summer was bunk. i'd say that spacemen 3 and the stone roses stand up very well.

[Auton]

boo.

peter gabriel 1 (with the exception of excuse me and here comes the flood) has great production, as does lou reed's berlin.

[ggirlballa]

hey now this is about old school rap not 80's popular music

i've been watching clips of Wildstyle on youtube lately, i really want to see that movie, the famous hip hop jam at the end almost made me cry tears of happiness:o

[DeeJayZap]

yeah i cant find that flick anywhere.

[kleptomaniac]

yeah i cant find that flick anywhere.

amazon.com (http://www.amazon.com/Wild-Style-Charlie-Chase-II/dp/B00006L938/sr=1-1/qid=1167625996/ref=pd_bbs_1/103-1203858-0338254?ie=UTF8&s=dvd) (lb)

[Otis Driftwood]

I always only like one or two songs at most from any HipHop or Rap album old school or new...

[BangkokB]

You Are Wrong~~


Stickem blows that out of the Water

Fatboys, UTFO, Mantronix ~ Think before you say something as ignorant as that again

[DroppinScience]

Right now I'm listening to this (http://www.souljazzrecords.co.uk/releases/?id=4973), which chronicles THE very beginning of rap in NYC from '79-'82, and it made me think back to this thread.

I don't think there's a better demonstration to show how wrong you are.

[yeahwho]

Super Fly the soundtrack (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AmZjD2UWoso) by Curtis Mayfield, amazing bass, percussion and sort of a preachy talky singing style that kicks ass, Fred is Dead. Old School before old school, shit is wicked.

[RhythmAce]

Was it gay because it was simplistic to you compared to the beats and verses of today? The early tracks of any genre were all stripped in comparison to today's hits, thats just natural. But as mentioned, they rapped about what they were living and doing at the time. There was The Message, and White Lines which did have some substance. The difference is, the message wasn't "busting a cap into niggaz" mainly until NWA came around. I'd rather get rid of all that shit together because as much as I liked NWA, when they came out no one really lived that way so it was a different vibe to go on. NOW, highschool kids solve problems with guns and hardcore rap lives more what it preaches and we applaud and admire criminals. Beside less songs to download or concerts to feel unsafe at, it wouldn't hurt society one bit if all the hardcore rappers of today vanished. Quite the opposite in my opinion. But what about if the same happened to those "gay" rappers of the early 80's? This message board wouldn't exist. Sure old school is simplistic and just for fun, but I respect it for what it is. Compare "Girls" to your favorite recent BBoys track, you'll see what I mean.

[Lex Diamonds]

I think what Notorious LOL was actually saying was that while the music was revolutionary and full of merit, those performing it were invariably homosexual. It is a little known fact that in the beginning rap was a predominantly gay artform.

[adam_f]

Originally posted by The Padster
I think what Notorious LOL was actually saying was that while the music was revolutionary and full of merit, those performing it were invariably homosexual. It is a little known fact that in the beginning rap was a predominantly gay artform.

Case in point. (http://musicselections.files.wordpress.com/2006/12/whodini04.jpg)

[The Notorious LOL]

I think what Notorious LOL was actually saying was that while the music was revolutionary and full of merit, those performing it were invariably homosexual. It is a little known fact that in the beginning rap was a predominantly gay artform.

basically.

[marsdaddy]

Another little known fact is playing basketball is as close you can get to partially clothed, sweaty, man-on-man action and not be labeled gay out the box.

Speaking of, didn't Sprewell say something about party and bananas?

[King PSYZ]

In hindsight, I guess you could say that a lot of hip hop is pretty dopey.

I mean really does rapping about how much of an advance they got on the song your listening to make any more sense about rapping about how well one raps?

I always laugh to myself when I hear a new artist who will obviously disapear once their record is out of rotation talk about what a big truck they got and how much their advance was when they don't have anything to show why they should earn such a thing. If anything it makes me wonder why the recording industry blames piracy for the reason it's bleeding money when it needs to look closer at the act of advancing unproven mediocre rap acts.

Maybe it's why it's so hard to explain to people who don't like rap why you do.

Like when I told my girlfriend I was gonna see Wu Tang this thursday and she asked who the fuck where they, some racist group like the Klu Klux Klan? I explained no, they're a rap group from new york/long island. She asked what they rapped about and I had to pause and think about it... They rap about how well they rap, kung fu movies, and growing up poor as fuck.

Amazingly this didn't convince her to sync all my Wu Tang tracks to her MP3 player...

[Kid Presentable]

On the whole, rappers are fuckheads. Mouthing off like we're lucky to be listening. Hip-hop would be great if I could escape the sheer embarrassment of listening to some of these self-important shits.

blah blah you don't know me but after this you will/ something about my past, a prediction about the future and a simile about my skill/ repeat ad nauseum

[easy 3]

blah blah you don't know me but after this you will/ something about my past, a prediction about the future and a simile about my skill/ repeat ad nauseum


Skills!

[AceFace]

Back in the late 70’s/early 80’s music was contrived, either Disco or top 40 crap. Rap music was like nothing we ever heard before. It may sound corny to you now but back then it was revolutionary. Run DMC, Whodini, LL, Kurtis Blow, the Treacherous Three, the Crash Crew, Grandmaster Flash were all pioneers. Kool DJ Red Alert on Friday and Chuck Chillout on Saturday. Are you even from New York? If not then you probably wouldn’t understand anyway.

This kinda shit really bugs me. i am in love with old school hip hop. i LOVE it, always have. but i am not from New York nor have i ever even VISITED NYC. NEW YORK is not the only place that understands rap or ANY OTHER KIND OF MUSIC. jeez. give the rest of the country a little credit here.

edit* i agreed with that whole post up until that question/statement.

[Lex Diamonds]

This kinda shit really bugs me. i am in love with old school hip hop. i LOVE it, always have. but i am not from New York nor have i ever even VISITED NYC. NEW YORK is not the only place that understands rap or ANY OTHER KIND OF MUSIC. jeez. give the rest of the country a little credit here.

edit* i agreed with that whole post up until that question/statement.
I was thinking "yeah, she's got a point" and agreeing with everything you said until you said "give the rest of the country a little credit". You were making a good point, but that was ignorant as fuck.

Fuckin' Americans.

[Randetica]

oh shit, ace pissed off a real G

my prayers are with her

[AceFace]

Damnit! i AM lame. ok, give the rest of the world a break.

you know i love you Paddy, no matter how tough you may seem. :p

[Knuckles]

Damnit! i AM lame. ok, give the rest of the world a break.

you know i love you Paddy, no matter how tough you may seem. :p
So beings from other planets can't understand old school hip hop?

Yet another ignorant post. (n)

[Lex Diamonds]

Why are you leaving out lifeforms from other dimensions, you racist fuck?

What an asshole. (n)

[AceFace]

i learned long ago that i can not please everyone. but piss on those aliens man. their green skin offends me.

(n)

[King PSYZ]

PLANETIST!