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speedtouch
01-01-2007, 12:39 PM
In his last message…Ayman al-Zawahri addressed both us ( the Americans) and Bush, and both the Republicans and Democrats…and these are excerpts from this message…what is your opinion?

Excerpts from the message of Ayman al-Zawahri:

I would like to talk to the American people , and to tell them: You did not realize the failure of the administration and you did not topple the Republicans candidates until the Mujahedeen defeated you, and you did not follow the principles of justice morals and rationality, the Mujahedeen still taking up their arms by the grace of Allah.

The equation of your safety is: Don't dream of security until we live it really in Palestine and all Islam's lands, and it is not the wrong equation given to you by Bush and cheating you when he says that we fight the terrorists in their countries for not targeting and hitting us in our country, on the contrary, if we were stroked in our countries we will not stop hitting you in your country by Allah willing and might.

And as our leader Sheikh Oussama Ben Laden –may Allah protect him- said to you: On the same way you bombard , you will be bombarded, and like you kill, you will be killed.



My message to the Democrats in America, I say to them, you should realize two facts:

-First: It is not you who won in the elections, neither the Republicans who lost, it is the Mujahedeen – vanguard of the Islamic nation in Afghanistan and Iraq- who were victorious, and the American forces with its allies who lost and were defeated.



Second:The Mujahedeen still –by the grace of Allah- in the battlefield , and their arms which made the Republicans defeated still taken up and legal, the Mujahedeen will not stop defeating you until you leave our lands , stop robbing our riches and stop supporting the rotten governors in our countries.




If you do not stop the stupid American policy in supporting Israel, occupying the Islam's lands and robbing the Muslims riches, then be awaited for the same fate.




You should realize that a new stage of the history has been started, the stage of Aabd al-Aziz Al Sood's progeny , al-Sharif Hussain's grandsons, al-Sadat ,Mubarak and Aarafat , this stage expired, and it started the stage of Khaled al-Islamboli, Abd Allah Aazzam, the commandant Abu Hafs, Khattab, Muhammad Atta, Muhammed Sadeek Khan and Shahzad Tanweer "mercy of Allah upon them all", and if you are not able to understand and realize this change, do not blame none but yourselves.
Get out of our countries, Stop supporting the rotten governors, and do not prevent the Islamic nation to found its Legal State .




And I say to both of the Republicans and Democrats: You are trying in this panicked situation to find an egress from disasters encircling you in Iraq and Afghanistan, and you still reason with the same stupid rationality, you try to negotiate some parties to assure your getting out , but these parties can not help you and your trials will not bring to you nothing except the frustration –by Allah willing- , because you do not negotiate the real forces in the Islamic world, and it seems that you will enter in a painful trip of failing negotiations, and you will return –by Allah willing- obliged to negotiate the real forces.




And I tell them that Bush represent the level of thinking of the American nation despite all what they have from research's centers, researchers , experts and historians, a nation choosing Bush as a president is a weak nation in morals and rationality and thinking, and it is sufficient to see what's happened in the last meeting of Bush with the mendicant al-Maleki in Aamman, and what disagreements and quarrels happened in this meeting and exposed in public in spite of their need to show it as a successful meeting.

yeahwho
01-01-2007, 05:27 PM
That message seems sort of convoluted and hard to discern. The actual video footage has the straight poop (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6giPVcLz8jI) in a much clearer context.

sam i am
01-02-2007, 12:33 PM
And we should all listen to the ramblings of a murderous (personally) "man" like this....:rolleyes:

Echewta
01-02-2007, 01:19 PM
We should listen to some of the points because they are made by other non murderous people.

On the other hand, islamic people really need to get a grip and clean house. One thing to attack the west but now they are getting a strong foothold in the middle east.

Christian people are getting rid of Bush by term limits. :(

Schmeltz
01-02-2007, 01:25 PM
Of course you should listen to him. It's became painfully clear that he can't be defeated by conventional means, so in order to defeat him you will have to begin to understand him. Not agree with him, but understand him.

sam i am
01-02-2007, 05:59 PM
Of course you should listen to him. It's became painfully clear that he can't be defeated by conventional means, so in order to defeat him you will have to begin to understand him. Not agree with him, but understand him.

Did we have to "understand" Hitler or Mussolini or Tojo to defeat them?

Schmeltz
01-02-2007, 06:03 PM
I would have thought that with your background in history you would refrain from drawing such painfully inept, inappropriate, irrelevant analogies.

sam i am
01-02-2007, 06:08 PM
I would have thought that with your background in history you would refrain from drawing such painfully inept, inappropriate, irrelevant analogies.

I was referring to the idiotic comment you made that we need to "understand" him.

Screw that. His ideology, just like the aforementioned idiots, is defeatable by dint of arms and force of will, not through kumbaya hand holding and "understanding."

yeahwho
01-02-2007, 06:15 PM
Of course you should listen to him. It's became painfully clear that he can't be defeated by conventional means, so in order to defeat him you will have to begin to understand him. Not agree with him, but understand him.

Very true. What if we as Americans took a more respectful view of the planet around us and actually took an honest crack at reducing our compulsive consumption and practiced true peace.

A sort of olive branch approach instead of a World Police approach.

Schmeltz
01-02-2007, 06:16 PM
His ideology, just like the aforementioned idiots, is defeatable by dint of arms and force of will


For you to truly believe that, after all that's happened in the last five years, demonstrates a monumental lack of understanding of - or even connection with - reality. That's absolutely mind-boggling, sam.

I didn't mean you have to understand al-Zawahri so you can come around to his point of view and arrive at some sort of compromise with his fanaticism (although your superficial take on the idea doesn't surprise me in the least). I meant you have to understand him as Sun Tzu said you have to understand an enemy - to know him better than he knows himself. That means thoroughly understanding his position and where it comes from. Thinking that you can defeat an enemy like al-Zawahri - an enemy that fields no formal army, that has no nation, that thinks irrationally, that fights from the shadows, that grows new limbs every time you cut one off - with the blunt force of arms is idiocy. Look where it's gotten you in Iraq and ask yourself how many times you'd prefer to see that pattern repeated.

Edit: as yeahwho said: to truly defeat an enemy like al-Zawahri, your government could try something like, I don't know, not constantly interfering in the affairs of Muslim nations and letting Islam sort itself out. Although it might be too late for that already.

Ali
01-03-2007, 01:04 AM
And we should all listen to the ramblings of a murderous (personally) "man" like this....:rolleyes:
Well, you seem to be quite happy to listen to the ramblings of a murderous (personally) "man" like this (http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/42404000/jpg/_42404319_bush2_ap203.jpg)....:rolleyes:

sam i am
01-05-2007, 05:57 PM
Well, you seem to be quite happy to listen to the ramblings of a murderous (personally) "man" like this (http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/42404000/jpg/_42404319_bush2_ap203.jpg)....:rolleyes:


Yes.

Prove W has "personally" killed people and we'll talk about this being an apt comparison.

Else....

you're selling yet another pig in a poke.

Schmeltz
01-06-2007, 01:58 PM
you're selling yet another pig in a poke.


No, that would be you, comparing apples to oranges and trumpeting obsolete and irrelevant ideology as a substitute for informed and realistic thinking.

sam i am
01-08-2007, 02:17 PM
No, that would be you, comparing apples to oranges and trumpeting obsolete and irrelevant ideology as a substitute for informed and realistic thinking.

I believe I pointed out that comparing al-Zawahiri to Bush is apples to oranges, not the other way around.

Your interpretation of "informed and realistic" is far from what everyone believes or thinks. Be open-minded and you'll see far more than your narrow ideology has (thus far) allowed you to.

Funkaloyd
01-09-2007, 12:55 AM
You'll see that terrorists are actually nothing but Napoleonic line infantry, in turbans.

sam i am
01-09-2007, 10:37 AM
You'll see that terrorists are actually nothing but Napoleonic line infantry, in turbans.

What an interesting assertion you posit.

Schmeltz
01-10-2007, 02:28 AM
Comparing al-Zawahri to Hitler or Tojo is worse than apples and oranges - like Maeby Funke said, that's like comparing apples and some fruit that nobody's ever heard of. It's so laughable to hear somebody like you lecture me about narrow-mindedness that I'll do you the favour of pretending you never made that ridiculous remark, and perhaps we can go back to a more serious discussion. For example, which elements of the American military strategy in Iraq do you think are actually working? What are the American forces doing that is contributing in a real way to the security of the nation they have destroyed and are now catastrophically occupying? Do you consider that it is possible to alleviate the burden on Iraq's security by simply injecting more troops into the country? Or will the horrific level of violence in Iraq, which I am sure you yourself would not be able to stand for even a day, simply increase in scale while American troops ride around in convoys attempting to react to stealthy attacks by IEDs and masked gunmen who have successfully infiltrated the general population?