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ericlee
01-18-2007, 08:48 AM
Is probably the best book I've ever read. It's a war book but it's historical non fiction. Even though war sucks, this book is very gripping in the fact that it tells the story of each individual "hero" flagraiser at the peak of Mt. Suribachi.

I for one as well as many others only knew of this (http://www.ibiblio.org/hyperwar/USMC/USMC-M-IwoJima/img/USMC-M-IwoJima-p74.jpg) picture when the Battle of Iwo Jima comes to mind. I never knew that it was only a replacement flag raising. That the marines on that island of that day paid very little to no attention to that flag while it was being raised. All attention paid was to was to this (http://www.grunt.com/images-bs/1st%20Iwo%20Flag%20Raising.jpg) flag for it was the first one to be raised to symbolize the taking over of Mt. Suribachi and was told to be taken down by a commanding officer who wanted to keep it in a safe for his troops to keep as a souvenir. The most famous photograph, the second flag raising photograph is just a replacement flag for the first one taken just a few seconds after the first flag has been taken down.

Anyway, enough of the flag crap. I'm sure some of you knew it already but as said, still alot of people didn't know about it and it's cool to actually know what really happened.

As I said though, the book talks about the lives before and after the battle of the flagraisers. Only 3 had survived and the author of the book is the son of one of the flagraisers, the only non-marine. His father was a corpsman, in other words, a medic in the Navy that deployed with the marines to the battlefields.

Clint Eastwood directed a movie for it just recently. I think I'll check it out but of course, I'm sure the book is better. I'll recommend this book to anybody, even if they are against the war because this book has a very anti war theme behind it as 2 of the surviving flagraisers didn't really want any publicity for the photograph taken and just wanted to live thier lives as normal citizens afterwards. That having interviews and going to events related to the war or the flagraising only triggered memories that they were better off trying to forget and not relive.

Good lord I just typed alot. It just means I really like this book.

abcdefz
01-18-2007, 09:50 AM
The movie doesn't really work. I'm glad the book is so good, though. (y)

ericlee
01-18-2007, 04:42 PM
My beautiful thread is dying.:(

MC Moot
01-18-2007, 05:21 PM
I enjoyed the movie,not as much as "The Thin Red Line" another great movie/book deal (James Jones)....can't wait to see "Letters from Iwo Jima"....I've been thinking about snaging the book (F.O.O Fathers) from the library for awhile,so I'll take your recomendation and move on it! I recently read "A Rumour of War" great book, terrible movie....but another great war movie/book combo is "A Midnight Clear" by William Wharton...(y)

"Call him, Drunken Ira Hayes, he won't answer anymore,Not the whiskey-drinking Indian or the marine who went to war..."

Loppfessor
01-18-2007, 08:54 PM
Still never saw it....it didn't last in theaters too long round here

ericlee
01-18-2007, 08:59 PM
I don't think I want to watch the movie and mainly for the fact that the three surviving flagraisers were tricked into some publicity stunt when they appeard on "The sands of Iwo Jima" with John Wayne.

abcdefz
01-19-2007, 09:47 AM
....but another great war movie/book combo is "A Midnight Clear" by William Wharton...(y)




God bless you. (y)

Wharton also scored big with Birdy in both incarnations.

ericlee
01-19-2007, 10:48 AM
"Call him, Drunken Ira Hayes, he won't answer anymore,Not the whiskey-drinking Indian or the marine who went to war..."

I think he's had it the worse, even compared to the ones who didn't make it back home because he just suffered and stayed in the bottle.

And when the fight was over
And when Old Glory raised
Among the men who held it high
Was the Indian, Ira Hayes

And see, that part of the lyrics I can't understand. The battle was just beginning when that flag was raised.

abcdefz
01-19-2007, 10:54 AM
Johnny took liberties now and again. That's where U2 got their MLK information.

His name wasn't really "Sue" either. Fucking liar.

ericlee
01-19-2007, 11:58 AM
Johnny took liberties now and again. That's where U2 got their MLK information.

His name wasn't really "Sue" either. Fucking liar.

Yeah, he sang it the way the public wanted him to sing it. I can't blame him. He didn't write the lyrics anyway, Peter Lafarge did. Even though the song was made in 64? I think.. Alot of people still believed that was the original flag raising photo and they also still believed that they were under heavy enemy fire, dodging bullets while raising it too.

MC Moot
01-19-2007, 01:44 PM
Yeah, he sang it the way the public wanted him to sing it. I can't blame him. He didn't write the lyrics anyway, Peter Lafarge did. Even though the song was made in 64? I think.. Alot of people still believed that was the original flag raising photo and they also still believed that they were under heavy enemy fire, dodging bullets while raising it too.

It’s funny.…I really actually thought Dylan wrote it and Cash covered Dylan’s version but I was wrong on all accounts!
:o

MC Moot
01-19-2007, 01:53 PM
Wharton also scored big with Birdy in both incarnations.

I’ll have to add it to the list of on deck reading materials......I doubt I can dig up the movie though…..84’….but I’ll have a look for it!

abcdefz
01-19-2007, 02:03 PM
I’ll have to add it to the list of on deck reading materials......I doubt I can dig up the movie though…..84’….but I’ll have a look for it!



GREAT movie. Matthew Modine and Nic Cage have arguably never been better.

Bruno Kirby's in there, too. Great, great Alan Parker film. Peter Gabriel did the soundtrack, rehashing some of his stuff. It's on DVD -- not hard to find.

MC Moot
01-19-2007, 02:07 PM
Don't mean to divert ericlee's thread but I might add that I love these "Japanese" themed conflict films as well:

"Empire of the Sun" (Spielberg)

"Hell in the Pacific" (Lee Marvin vs Toshiro Mifune!!)

"Bridge on the River Kwai" (Alec gone crazy Guinness)

"Merry Christmas Mr Lawerence" ( Bowies best )


(y) :cool: (y)

abcdefz
01-19-2007, 02:12 PM
Floating Weeds
Late Spring (y)

abcdefz
01-19-2007, 02:13 PM
"Merry Christmas Mr Lawerence" ( Bowies best )


(y) :cool: (y)



Did you see The Prestige? Bowie is terrific in that.

MC Moot
01-19-2007, 02:34 PM
Did you see The Prestige? Bowie is terrific in that.

no I'll have to wait on the DVD,did'nt even realize he was in it,from the promo's.....loved him as Warhol in "Basquiat",you have to know Andy loved that.....:)

abcdefz
01-19-2007, 02:36 PM
If you blink, you miss him in the trailer for The Prestige, but mainly because he doesn't look like David Bowie. He plays Tesla.

abcdefz
01-19-2007, 02:36 PM
loved him as Warhol in "Basquiat",you have to know Andy loved that.....:)



Now Guy Pierce plays him in Factory Girl.

TAL
01-19-2007, 02:42 PM
No flags, but my grandfather has a Russian WWII cannonball from the war here.

Randetica
01-19-2007, 07:11 PM
"Merry Christmas Mr Lawerence" ( Bowies best )


(y) :cool: (y)


i think most movies with bowie in it suck ass but this one is one of my favorite movies

ericlee
01-19-2007, 11:34 PM
i think most movies with bowie in it suck ass but this one is one of my favorite movies

Ohhh, it's soo nice to see you in the supportive hijacking efforts of my fine thread there, miss.

Woncha make your own threads for Mr. Bowie and keep him out of my Iwo Jima superthread.

Randetica
01-19-2007, 11:46 PM
ill own your thread with mug shots.. oh no wait thats the gayest idea i ever had

but in fact dont even know what this thread is about
i didnt read the first page, just saw the name david bowie and my alarm cock went off

ericlee
01-20-2007, 12:03 AM
ill own your thread with mug shots.. oh no wait thats the gayest idea i ever had

Here's a mugshot of Ira Hayes (http://hqinet001.hqmc.usmc.mil/hd/IMAGES/Whos_Who/Hi_Res/HayesIH.jpg). Yeah, I'm keeping this thread on topic. Randickica.:)

Randetica
01-20-2007, 12:05 AM
hey eriK you spelt my name wrong! :eek:

anyway labyrinth is my second favorite david bowie movie