John Lennon or Jim Morrison??

[ggirlballa]

i say johnny

[cosmo105]

are you fucking KIDDING? john. duh.

[RaZoRbLaDe KiSs]

Morrison = God

[Auton]

Morrison = silly drunk

[-T-]

Morrison = silly drunk

Perverted drunk... But I did vote for him.(y)

[cosmo105]

if he hadn't died when he did he would be exactly where don henley is today.

[Helvete]

if he hadn't died when he did he would be exactly where don henley is today.
Who?

[Auton]

we're talking about jim morrison.

[Documad]

Morrison = silly drunk
<3

[afronaut]

if he hadn't died when he did he would be exactly where don henley is today.

If he hadn't died he'd have trouble getting gigs at county fairs.


Jesus, this is by far the most retardedly idiotic poll ever. Jim Morrison cannot even begin to compare to John Lennon, or any other icon of that generation. Jim Morrison was a silly pretentious talentless drunk little fuck. The best thing that this man ever did was influence Iggy Pop.

[DipDipDive]

if he hadn't died when he did he would be exactly where don henley is today.

I think I just shat a load of lolz in my pants.

Someone shut this thread down, please.

[ggirlballa]

fuck u guys got all pissy with replies like "what a stupid thread "shut this thread down" etc

*sticks out tounge*

i was having a "wanna bet who's better" thingy with RBK & i obviously was right HA!:p

[cosmo105]

ALL SHE WANTS TO DO IS

DANCE DANCE

[Bob]

Who?

you said exactly what i was thinking at exactly the same time i was thinking it

[Knuckles]

if he hadn't died when he did he would be exactly where don henley is today.
Dooooooown at the Sunset Griiiiiiiiiiill!

[Bob]

jim morrison more like jim norcen

[DroppinScience]

The comparison is very silly, but the hate for Morrison/The Doors is always mystifying. If Morrison weren't so pretentious, I doubt there'd be the same divisiveness if we're just judging them by their musical output alone.

[QueenAdrock]

I HART LENNON MOREZ

[Waus]

Morrison never really aimed at a solo career I don't think...aside from some admittedly pretentious poetry (An American Prayer) I think he was done with music when he was done with the Doors.

I'm pretty convinced that both men were just generally assholes - but as a front man I think Jim carried more weight. Lennon was great in the Beatles, but I never really got into his solo stuff as much. That's just my preferences though, not some sort of quantitative fact.

[DandyFop]

Now c'mon. This can only be solved scientifically - by comparing lyrics side by side, of a well-known song of each respective artist.

Here we go

Imagine there's no heaven........................People are strange when you're a stranger
It's easy if you try...................................Faces look ugly when you're alone
No hell below us.....................................Faces seem wicked when you're unwanted
Above us only sky...................................Streets are uneven when you're down
Imagine all the people..............................When you're strange
Living for today.......................................Faces come out of the rain

Imagine there's no countries......................When you're strange
It isn't hard to do.....................................No one remembers your name
Nothing to kill or die for............................When you're strange
And no religion too...................................When you're strange
Imagine all the people..............................When you're strange
Living life in peace...................................People are strange when you're a stranger

[Drederick Tatum]

but as a front man I think Jim carried more weight.

lol. literally.

[Drederick Tatum]

the only thing Morrison might have over Lennon is the voice, but even that's debatable.

[DandyFop]

lol. literally.

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[AtoD]

Jim Morrison sucks. Fucking garbage writer.

[Auton]

Morrison never really aimed at a solo career I don't think...aside from some admittedly pretentious poetry (An American Prayer) I think he was done with music when he was done with the Doors.

yeah i think he would have had to be done with music, since, you know, he died and all.

it's like saying "Kennedy was done with politics when he was done being president."

He was never "done" with the Doors, he died right after recording "LA Woman" with them in 1971, their sixth album in four years. "An American Prayer" was essentially a collection pretty much home recordings he did while with them, released in 1978 or whatever, when the band/label wanted some cash.

[Randetica]

george harrison

[Waus]

yeah i think he would have had to be done with music, since, you know, he died and all.

I read one of his biographies a while ago, and I was under the impression that the Doors kind of broke up and he moved to Europe for a while (France...?) just before he died. I don't really feel like looking it up again, but I think the Doors were done before he died anyways.

[Waus]

lol. literally.

Whatever.

It's two different artistic aims entirely if you ask me. Lennon was a singer songwriter and Morrison just wasn't. Lennon had more talent. I think the Doors were interesting because of their (then) unique vision of a sort of rock theatre and darker psychedelia.

I should have just said nothing.

[Auton]

that was a vacation.

[Waus]

that was a vacation.

I thought it was kind of understood that it was more like an indefinite hiatus. I could be wrong on that.

Doesn't matter, no one agrees with me.


edit: I think I was wrong. I'm glad he died then anyways - they were moving away from their early weird/cool stuff and into more of a tired blues direction that I think only half suited them.

[Drederick Tatum]

I thought it was kind of understood that Morrison was a fatty.

[The Notorious LOL]

lol. literally.



haha yeah he got all fat and dead in Paris.

[-T-]

I read one of his biographies a while ago, and I was under the impression that the Doors kind of broke up and he moved to Europe for a while (France...?) just before he died. I don't really feel like looking it up again, but I think the Doors were done before he died anyways.

It was basicly a vacation, he was in contact with the other group members and was indeed working on new music. He planned on putting out another album when he went back. I read a biography too, I cant recall the name but it was a very good book.

[abcdefz]

I wouldn't even mention them in the same breath.

[afronaut]

Now c'mon. This can only be solved scientifically - by comparing lyrics side by side, of a well-known song of each respective artist.

Here we go

Imagine there's no heaven........................People are strange when you're a stranger
It's easy if you try...................................Faces look ugly when you're alone
No hell below us.....................................Faces seem wicked when you're unwanted
Above us only sky...................................Streets are uneven when you're down
Imagine all the people..............................When you're strange
Living for today.......................................Faces come out of the rain

Imagine there's no countries......................When you're strange
It isn't hard to do.....................................No one remembers your name
Nothing to kill or die for............................When you're strange
And no religion too...................................When you're strange
Imagine all the people..............................When you're strange
Living life in peace...................................People are strange when you're a stranger


/thread

[abcdefz]

I wouldn't trot out "Imagine" as some work of genius, actually. That's a poorly-considered, willfully naive song. Here's a man who spent years crusading for peace; you'd think he'd realize that laws and borders and philosophies aren't the things which are the inherent cause of conflict. I mean, the dude beat his first wife and cheated on his second; you'd think someone as self-aware as he is would recognize the human condition for what it was without trying to externalize.

It's catchy and it sounds real pretty, but in the end, it's just shy of vapid.

[saz]

it's easily lennon, hands down. comparing the two is rather silly, considering that lennon was one of rock's finest singer-songwriters, and was a key driving force behind the beatles. morrison meanwhile was just a decent frontman, who wrote some decent lyrics.

however, simply arguing that lennon is superior, because morrison was a 'fat drunk' or whatever is also silly, considering that lennon had mental problems, a volatile and unpredictable personality, was a pretty crappy father to julian, poor husband to cynthia, and reportedly abused yoko, ie pulling her across a room by her hair. i don't hold it against lennon, but there are much more worthwhile ways of debating lennon's superior talent.

[Waus]

it's easily lennon, hands down. comparing the two is rather silly, considering that lennon was one of rock's finest singer-songwriters, and was a key driving force behind the beatles. morrison meanwhile was just a decent frontman, who wrote some decent lyrics.

Well said.

[Waus]

?? double post

[cosmo105]

I wouldn't trot out "Imagine" as some work of genius, actually. That's a poorly-considered, willfully naive song. Here's a man who spent years crusading for peace; you'd think he'd realize that laws and borders and philosophies aren't the things which are the inherent cause of conflict. I mean, the dude beat his first wife and cheated on his second; you'd think someone as self-aware as he is would recognize the human condition for what it was without trying to externalize.

It's catchy and it sounds real pretty, but in the end, it's just shy of vapid.
agreed. and agreed with sazi too. he was no saint, but motherfucker could write.

[freetibet]

Jim was a stupid alcoholic or drug addict but still beter than a weirdo Mr "imagine there's no possesion". And he didn't date that guy... Yoko?

[abcdefz]

I used to hate Yoko until I went to an exhibit of her stuff at the SF MOMA. There was a bunch of stuff that was just meh, but a few things were so great that I finally have respect for her.

But, yeah, she could also be a dork. Still, Lennon that drunken buffoon posing as a poet shouldn't even be mentioned in the same breath.

[afronaut]

I wouldn't trot out "Imagine" as some work of genius, actually. That's a poorly-considered, willfully naive song. Here's a man who spent years crusading for peace; you'd think he'd realize that laws and borders and philosophies aren't the things which are the inherent cause of conflict. I mean, the dude beat his first wife and cheated on his second; you'd think someone as self-aware as he is would recognize the human condition for what it was without trying to externalize.

It's catchy and it sounds real pretty, but in the end, it's just shy of vapid.
And even still, it holds more weight than "when you are strange, no one remembers your name, when you are strange, when you are strange, when you are strange, people are strange, when you're a stranger."

i mean come on, the guy fancied himself as some kind of a poet?

[abcdefz]

And even still, it holds more weight than "when you are strange, no one remembers your name, when you are strange, when you are strange, when you are strange, people are strange, when you're a stranger."



I don't think it holds weight at all, which is the problem.

But the "People are Strange" lyrics are like failed Dadaism, so it's almost apples and oranges.

[cosmo105]

i think the people that buy those fucking swap meet shirts and blankets with that iconic picture of jim and parade around with them (and draw pictures of mushrooms on their notebooks) occupy one of the lowest circles of my personal hell.

[abcdefz]

A guy at the BART station this morning had a Zeppelin shirt with the watcher dude from the fourth album. That's such a cliche, but he's a good kid.

But that's the second Zeppelin shirt he's worn this week.

[-T-]

When your comparing Lennon and Morrison Lennon will come out ahead pretty much everytime. He has talent and has proven it. But Jim Morrison is not that bad. If you take an unbiased approach and listen to some of the doors music or Jim Morrisons poetry some of its pretty darn good. All i'm saying is Jim Morrison was not that bad.

[afronaut]

I don't think it holds weight at all, which is the problem.

You're missing my point, guy. It holds no weight.....yet it still holds more weight than "people are strange"....get what I'm saying now....People are strange's weight holding capacity has to be in the negative numbers.


See what I'm doing there?

[saz]

i'd voice the exact same sentiments about people who think that 'imagine' is lennon's greatest work. or better yet, ditto those people who wear those beyond cheese lennon t-shirts, with this (http://imagecache2.allposters.com/images/pic/PYR/MPP0879-John-Lennon-(NYC)~John-Lennon-Posters.jpg) image on it. however, it doesn't matter what band or artist it is, cliche rock t-shirts are generally a no-no. anyways, not all of morrison's work was as terrible as everyone is making it out to be. his 'ode to la while thinking of brian jones, deceased' was pretty good.

[abcdefz]

You're missing my point, guy. It holds no weight.....yet it still holds more weight than "people are strange"....get what I'm saying now....People are strange's weight holding capacity has to be in the negative numbers.


See what I'm doing there?

*scales fall from eyes*

[afronaut]

And also you have to admit, naive or not, Lennon is at least attempting to say something worthwhile. As opposed to the Nietzsche influenced Dionysian fantasy bullshit Morrison spewed.

[cosmo105]

his 'ode to la while thinking of brian jones, deceased' was pretty good.
you just like it because of brian jones. :p

[cosmo105]

And also you have to admit, naive or not, Lennon is at least attempting to say something worthwhile. As opposed to the Nietzsche influenced Dionysian fantasy bullshit Morrison spewed.
yeah. it had something of a message, simplistic and underdeveloped though it may have been. played it at my dad's funeral. i can't imagine playing LA Woman at mine. :confused:

[afronaut]

"Break on Through" could be a rocking way to send someone off at their funeral, however.

[abcdefz]

And also you have to admit, naive or not, Lennon is at least attempting to say something worthwhile. As opposed to the Nietzsche influenced Dionysian fantasy bullshit Morrison spewed.



Don't worry -- I have little but contempt for Jim Morrison.

Not the one I knew in real life -- the Doors hack.

[abcdefz]

"Break on Through" could be a rocking way to send someone off at their funeral, however.



Actually, that was going to be my next post. (y)

That's one of about three of their songs I truly liked.

[saz]

you just like it because of brian jones. :p

well, duh lol. but come on. he took a great subject, as opposed to any other doors song with mediocre lyrics which has been ripped to shreds in this thread, and wrote something good and worthwhile.

bottom line:

jim morrison: okay

john lennon: brilliant

[AtoD]

I used to like the Doors, and I still think their band was pretty good... but I hate Morrison's voice/lyrics/persona.

[Documad]

i think the people that buy those fucking swap meet shirts and blankets with that iconic picture of jim and parade around with them (and draw pictures of mushrooms on their notebooks) occupy one of the lowest circles of my personal hell.
I think it's all the Morrison worshipers I knew in school who made me hate The Doors so much. They would go on and on about how DEEP he was. :rolleyes: I blame the Danny Sugarman book.

I went through a similar aversion to U2 because I had to work next to a guy who looked (and I'm guessing smelled) just like Joshua-Tree-era Bono.