Ready to make Nice?

[yeahwho]

I would like to gage the sentiments of the BBMB political boards view on how to deal with the Bush administration the next almost two years.

This poll is what you feel should be happening, not what you think will happen. So many people have convictions in their beliefs on our country, but compromise them by going with the mass media/population/political speaking points.

I am as guilty as the next person to want to just move on and get rolling with a new candidate and new set of ideological thinking for America, yet in my head there is a nagging constant feeling that I'm letting the Bush administration get away with too much damage without enough legal justification for their actions.

So here is poll, an honest poll, not what you think might happen, but what you really want to happen as a citizen of the USA or even as a citizen of Earth.

Impeachment Movement (http://www.impeachbush.org/site/News2?JServSessionIdr001=9m1w8y87v2.app13a&page=NewsArticle&id=5054&news_iv_ctrl=1061)

George W. Bush Libray (http://www.georgewbush.org/)

[JobDDT]

Investigations must always come before you can call for impeachment.

While Clinton got a raw deal, I don't think Democrats should try to impeach Bush for revenge. Sadly, being an awful president isn't against the law. But an invesigation about the Iraq war would be a good start.

[ToucanSpam]

Honestly, I'd like to pick two of those options; one, to build a library in memorial of the great and amazing President Bush, who lead us through Iraq and helped restore freedom in the Middle East through foreign intervention. I think all nations should avoid dealing with internal issues and just take the time to say 'Hey, maybe you should try the way we do things. Here, let me help you get started by demilitarizing your place'. One thing that strikes me is his amazing speech abilities. If you just cut out the ums, ers, uhs, and the dead air, you'd swear he was Cicero. I think a library in his honor would be the least we could do for this great man.

Two, I think the USA should change their rules so he can serve another term. My God, wouldn't it be magnificent to see him in office another four years? The American public would gladly re-elect him, as they did in 2004. It takes a real special guy to do that twice in his political career and he did it without controversy! Those silly left-wing hippie junkies tried but failed to topple him, but with the Good Lord on his side he came out on top.

God Bless George W. Bush. The greatest man ever to hold office. Three cheers for GW!

[fucktopgirl]

impeachement: there is enought evidences to seal the case.

[yeahwho]

Investigations must always come before you can call for impeachment.

While Clinton got a raw deal, I don't think Democrats should try to impeach Bush for revenge. Sadly, being an awful president isn't against the law. But an invesigation about the Iraq war would be a good start.

And the only way an investigation will come about is if You or I get serious about it, apathy and sheepish behavior is all many dems have. The fucking Republicans investigated Clinton's Christmas card list (http://www.boston.com/news/nation/washington/articles/2005/11/20/congress_reduces_its_oversight_role/), but the dems have the "nads of mite's" when it comes to questioning the deaths of thousands and thousands of humans.

Your newly elected senator should be contacted, one was here in WA. ST. in a traditionally Republican district (http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/local/6420ap_wa_xgr_iraq_resolution.html), he's doing his job.

The option of impeaching Bush on multiple charges is wrong, I know, in the allotted space I just wanted to put "multiple charges" in.

[DroppinScience]

I'm going with "investigation" but if I could have more than one vote, I'd put "Work on the 2008 election" as well.

If Bush can be impeached go ahead, but I'd want to see it down right: proper investigations so it doesn't look like revenge for Clinton. You can be a terrible, ineffectual leader, but it's not an impeachable offense. We need proper evidence that he broke the law (I mean a CONCRETE, clear-cut case, not some ambiguity that could be interpreted either way).

I want leaders held accountable, bottom line. And we need Pres. Obama to start doing his work on January 20, 2009. (y)

[ToucanSpam]

And we need Pres. Obama to start doing his work on January 20, 2009. (y)

First off, by we you mean the world? Because I thought you were Canadian.:mad:


Also, talk about counting your chickens before they hatch.

[yeahwho]

I'm going with "investigation" but if I could have more than one vote, I'd put "Work on the 2008 election" as well.

If Bush can be impeached go ahead, but I'd want to see it down right: proper investigations so it doesn't look like revenge for Clinton. You can be a terrible, ineffectual leader, but it's not an impeachable offense. We need proper evidence that he broke the law (I mean a CONCRETE, clear-cut case, not some ambiguity that could be interpreted either way).

I want leaders held accountable, bottom line. And we need Pres. Obama to start doing his work on January 20, 2009. (y)

There is a grassroots movement (http://www.democrats.com/cdic-find) that has been percolating for several years that just recently began gaining a new momentum. I've been highly interested in the way my country has changed the past 6 years, so are many millions of other folks, we want the truth to be investigated. I have absolutely nothing to lose and everything to gain by finding out why we went into Iraq. For the hundreds of Billions of Dollars I think we should stop and ask a few questions under oath.

Even Cheney (http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/dayart/20070214/Cartoon20070214.gif) knew this was a bad idea, over a decade ago. What motivated these guys to put my towns citizens at risk in this war?

Too many things are wrong just to blame it on the "Worst President Ever" something doesn't seem on the bubble if your asking me.

[Documad]

I am completely opposed to impeachment. I think that hearings on what went wrong are important, but I also want the democrats to move forward. Blaming Bush isn't going to get the country back on track. The war isn't even the most important thing to me. That's fucked up beyond my comprehension and I haven't seen a democrat who has convinced me he/she can fix that. Again, the hearings are important. I want the Bush/Cheney legacy to be trashed for all time. I want us to learn lessons and avoid this next time. But the number one priority is the 2008 election. We need to hold either the house or senate and we need to take the presidency.

So the domestic agenda is what I'm focusing on. We need to elect a democrat in 2008. We can't have another 4-8 years of a republican appointing our judges and US attorneys, picking the head of the EPA, making legislation for drug and oil companies instead of for citizens, etc.

[yeahwho]

I am completely opposed to impeachment. I think that hearings on what went wrong are important, but I also want the democrats to move forward. Blaming Bush isn't going to get the country back on track. The war isn't even the most important thing to me. That's fucked up beyond my comprehension and I haven't seen a democrat who has convinced me he/she can fix that. Again, the hearings are important. I want the Bush/Cheney legacy to be trashed for all time. I want us to learn lessons and avoid this next time. But the number one priority is the 2008 election. We need to hold either the house or senate and we need to take the presidency.

So the domestic agenda is what I'm focusing on. We need to elect a democrat in 2008. We can't have another 4-8 years of a republican appointing our judges and US attorneys, picking the head of the EPA, making legislation for drug and oil companies instead of for citizens, etc.

If there is an investigation on the road to the Iraq war and under oath it becomes obvious "We the People" were lied to, you just want to get on with the 2008 election?

I understand priorities but? History should not be given a free pass to repeat itself. Let that be part of our legacy.

[Ali]

Impeachment's too good for this guy.

[EN[i]GMA]

I don't think impeachment is a very practical course of action at this time.

One, it would take all kinds of political capital which could be better spent elsewhere. Two, it's time-consuming as hell and he's almost out of there anyway. Three, President Cheney.

While in theory it may not be a bad idea, and may in fact be what he deserves, I'm not certain it's actually the best course of action as a practical matter.

I mean, we'd all like to see him go, but we all know it won't happen.

Just the facts of politcal life. Shit, people wouldn't even get behind Feingold's censure.

[yeahwho]

Time? Time consuming? In what way? Saving face and a free pass for the next maniacal idiot to ruin ours and millions of others lives is all I see going on.

I am actually a bit baffled by the ferocity of which many fellow posters feel about the Bush administration and how they think it should be accounted for.

To each their own though, if it is how you truly feel then you own it and I will respect it while I respect my own.

As of this date the one item we'll be investigating is the hundreds of billions (http://costofwar.com/index.html) of dollars we've chipped in to go to Iraq and get WMD's (oops scratch that, I mean provide democracy (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/02/03/AR2007020301604.html)) and beat up the terrorist's (oops again we didn't quite (http://www.nytimes.com/2007/02/19/world/asia/19intel.html?pagewanted=2&_r=1) do that now did we?).

Oh well I'm sure this is just a short term situation and one of many completely legal actions that have been explained to many folks satisfaction.

We is dumb, lets face it, dumb as hell.

[yeahwho]

President Cheney is highly doubtful. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BvJYezckT6g&eurl=)

[Documad]

I think the investigation is a good idea. I want the Bush underlings and the heads of the corporations that have gotten the graft to be placed under oath and to have to admit what they did for the record.

But my first priority is making sure our next president isn't going to do the same thing. The investigations will help, but we can't begin to undo the damage unless we have a president with completely different priorities from Bush.

[synch]

I think "try and run the country" should be a poll option.

There has to be an America for any successor of Bush to take over. By now there are so many people wanting to blow you up that imploding is hardly a sound strategy. Although technically it would put you one step ahead of the tewwowists.

[yeahwho]

I think the investigation is a good idea. I want the Bush underlings and the heads of the corporations that have gotten the graft to be placed under oath and to have to admit what they did for the record.

But my first priority is making sure our next president isn't going to do the same thing. The investigations will help, but we can't begin to undo the damage unless we have a president with completely different priorities from Bush.

I know many of you are Gerald Ford admirer's from the previous "Ford Dead Now" (http://www.beastieboys.com/bbs/showthread.php?t=75456&highlight=Gerald+Ford) thread, I am of a complete different POV (http://www.thestranger.com/seattle/Content?oid=125360).

The system of checks and balances for those who should serve us is diminishing.

[yeahwho]

As I sift through the internet reading impeachment stories here and there I thought I would share this blast from the near past with you all.

During the year long investigation and scandal that led to President Clinton's impeachment, his approval ratings stayed at there high levels of 65 to 70%,

from this wicki (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Impeachment_of_Bill_Clinton)

In fact, shortly after his December 1998 impeachment his popularity attained its highest level ever with a 73 percent approval rating, and public perceptions of the Republican majority in Congress diminished . Such may have contributed to the surprise subsequent loss of five seats suffered by the Republican party in the United States House of Representatives in that year's congressional election .

[D_Raay]

Quite simply and plainly, Bush is defying the American people. If that is not deserving of impeachment, I would hate to see what is.

"Consent of the governed", lest any of you forgot. Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things that matter.

[fucktopgirl]

Bush is defying the world population and it's collective intellligence!

[EN[i]GMA]

Time? Time consuming? In what way? Saving face and a free pass for the next maniacal idiot to ruin ours and millions of others lives is all I see going on.

If we elect another quote 'maniacal idiot' we'll be getting exactly what we deserve.

First of all, a 'maniacal idiot' wouldn't exactly be deterred by this, or by anything else, would he? Look at terms: 'maniacal', doesn't give a shit. 'Idiot' is stupid.

Hmm.


I am actually a bit baffled by the ferocity of which many fellow posters feel about the Bush administration and how they think it should be accounted for.

To be perfectly honest, how anyone 'feels' is entirely irrelevant: what matters is what WILL happen, or rather, what WON'T happen.


To each their own though, if it is how you truly feel then you own it and I will respect it while I respect my own.

Again, I could be as gung-ho for his impeachment as possible and it wouldn't matter one bit.

We elected the Democrats, not the Bolsheviks. They don't give a shit about this war because half of them supported it. More than half. And most of them probably still think it was a 'good idea' that just was 'mismanaged.' Fuck them, they're as bad as Bush, if not worse: he's an idiot and a servant to the Neo-Cons (right?). They're supposed to be responsible and intelligent. They fucking voted to let him go prancing off to war, they're culpable. Shit, to be impeached you only have to violate the Constitution, right? Show me where in the Constitution Congress is given the ability to allow the President to start a war. Only Congress can declare war. They can no more allow the President to start a war then they can allow you or me, if you want to interpret the Constitution pedantically (which I actually don't.)

All I'm saying is, as good as this might feel, it's really nothing more than a hollow emotional victory, at best.


As of this date the one item we'll be investigating is the hundreds of billions (http://costofwar.com/index.html) of dollars we've chipped in to go to Iraq and get WMD's (oops scratch that, I mean provide democracy (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/02/03/AR2007020301604.html)) and beat up the terrorist's (oops again we didn't quite (http://www.nytimes.com/2007/02/19/world/asia/19intel.html?pagewanted=2&_r=1) do that now did we?).

Oh, there certainly should be investigations.

The problem is, even if they do slam Bush and portray him as the not-laughably bad leader he is, that's only to going to make the opposition look worse: "We let this idiot do THIS? We voted for THIS?"

Fucking idiots, the lot of them.


Oh well I'm sure this is just a short term situation and one of many completely legal actions that have been explained to many folks satisfaction.

Nothing will be explained to anyone's satisfaction. Period.

That's not a viable option. It's your pipe-dream, but it's not something that's going to happen in Washington D.C., at this time.


We is dumb, lets face it, dumb as hell.

Yes we are.

As always, my boy Taibbi has this sort of shit nailed: http://alternet.org/columnists/story/48278/

My exact sentiment:

"Shit, when you think about it that way, why not steal from us? People that dumb don't deserve to have money."

[yeahwho]

Maniacal Idiot is a poor choice of words on my behalf, I think President Bush is a highly educated elected official who may have taken liberties with his position that should be investigated.

What will happen is going to be a reflection on the electorate. I'm not concerned with what you think is going to happen, I'm not concerned with what is going to happen, I'm trying to see if you put action behind the anti-Bush sentiments posted here. A series of self balances and checks. I fucking feel as if my whole Country has been hijacked by this man.

Yes, yes and yes....Now Hilliary is saying it was her mistake, Edwards flatout said he was wrong and that Powell still believes the picture story he sold America on WMD tractor trailers driving all over Iraq. So What? My senator has introduced a resolution asking that Congress investigate the Bush administration's handling of the Iraq war and possibly consider impeachment of the president and vice president.

The crux of the whole investigation into Iraq is to you a hollow victory perhaps, but on the flipside of your thoughts are millions of other citizens that feel it is a necessary exercise to save this Country. Call it what you want but maybe we're wrong to investigate Bush, lets find out where it leads us. Nothing can be more hollow than the Clinton penis impeachment.

I would like to think if we begin at some point to actually try and hold our elected officials up to a higher standard we would also begin to generate a higher standard of elected official. Let's try it, get active and force the issue. Otherwise we have a very tragic future.

Nothing is going to happen at Washington DC at this time isn't my fault. I have done my part. This isn't a poll about what you think will happen, it is a poll about what you would honestly like to see happen with the Bush administrations last months.

Taibbi kicks ass, I've got nothing. We is dumb as all hell.

[EN[i]GMA]

I'm not opposed to investigation or to impeachment, really, I just don't think it would accomplish anything. Too little, too late.

Maybe fitting for the calamitious fuck-up they produced, but certainly nothing that's actually going to improve much.