The protocole of Kyoto!

[fucktopgirl]

Well, i want to have your opinion on the matter.

Do you think it is possible to achieve the goal set by it?

Do you think it's enought to deal with the pollution problem, like what about sea pollution and all the others?

SHould there be a protocole too for the water pollution and for the forest massive cutting?

Do you believe it is a bit of a scam and can beneficiate the rich countries at one extent ?

I think it is a step forward in the good direction to deal with the climat change but i failed to comprehend why countries such as Australia and USA did not ratified the protocole. And why, since our super HArper president is on duty, has he backoff from it. Three of the biggest polluating country in the world dont agree with it, that is a bit scary.

So , again, i tend to be pessimistic on the issue although it is a pretty honorable thing and show that the conscience of the people are getting awake....i have my doubt ; it is just a bit of a show and dust or something that will really be achieve.

[icy manipulator]

we aren't part of it because our prime minister is a dickhead and has his tongue up george bush's ass. But the reason he claims we're not part of it is because he believes we're too insignificant to make a difference. and he also believes that why should we be part of it if our emission levels are less than the annual emissionb level increases of China

[Pres Zount]

Does anyone actually know off the top of their head what the Kyoto Protocol entails? I don't.

[abcdefz]

I think it is a step forward in the good direction to deal with the climat change but i failed to comprehend why countries such as Australia and USA did not ratified the protocole. And why, since our super HArper president is on duty, has he backoff from it. Three of the biggest polluating country in the world dont agree with it, that is a bit scary.




An interesting column in Newsweek just covered this. (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/16960409/site/newsweek/)


Feb. 12, 2007 issue - Enough already. It is time to call some bluffs. John Kerry says that one reason America has become an "international pariah" is President Bush's decision to "walk away from global warming." Kerry's accusation is opaque, but it implies the usual complaint that Bush is insufficiently enthusiastic about the Kyoto Protocol's binding caps on emissions of greenhouse gases. Many senators and other experts in climate science say we must "do something" about global warming. Barack Obama says "the world" is watching to see "what action we take."

Fine. President Bush should give the world something amusing to watch. He should demand that the Senate vote on the protocol....

It could cost tens of trillions (in expenditures and foregone economic growth, here and in less-favored parts of the planet) to try to fine-tune the planet's temperature. We cannot know if these trillions would purchase benefits commensurate with the benefits that would have come from social wealth that was not produced.

In 1997, when the Kyoto Protocol's essential provisions were known, a "sense of the Senate" resolution declared opposition to any agreement that would do what the protocol aims to do....

The Senate's resolution expressed opposition to any agreement that "would result in serious harm to the economy of the United States," which the Senate correctly thought Kyoto would do....

President Clinton and his earnest vice president knew better than to seek ratification of Kyoto by a Senate that had passed its resolution of disapproval 95-0. Fifty-six of those 95 senators are still serving. Two of them are John Kerry and Barbara Boxer. That is an inconvenient truth.

[Johnny Railroad]

they want to fool us around , everyone with a small or big brain knows that they discuss and sit together talking trash and do nothing !

the German regime put the finger on china and say - emissionen ? that`s a nischt nischt !!

but in the back they sell the old Heavy-Steal-Industrie MAchines to them , they have no filters and build in 1960 - 1970 , make that sense ?

I think the most part of all the shit takes the Car-Industrie and the Aircraft Industrie , when I think of all that sick shit ... it`s no wonder that I smoke my pot everyday ! otherwise i get insane :(

[saz]

An interesting column in Newsweek just covered this. (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/16960409/site/newsweek/)


Feb. 12, 2007 issue - Enough already. It is time to call some bluffs. John Kerry says that one reason America has become an "international pariah" is President Bush's decision to "walk away from global warming." Kerry's accusation is opaque, but it implies the usual complaint that Bush is insufficiently enthusiastic about the Kyoto Protocol's binding caps on emissions of greenhouse gases. Many senators and other experts in climate science say we must "do something" about global warming. Barack Obama says "the world" is watching to see "what action we take."

Fine. President Bush should give the world something amusing to watch. He should demand that the Senate vote on the protocol....

It could cost tens of trillions (in expenditures and foregone economic growth, here and in less-favored parts of the planet) to try to fine-tune the planet's temperature. We cannot know if these trillions would purchase benefits commensurate with the benefits that would have come from social wealth that was not produced.

In 1997, when the Kyoto Protocol's essential provisions were known, a "sense of the Senate" resolution declared opposition to any agreement that would do what the protocol aims to do....

The Senate's resolution expressed opposition to any agreement that "would result in serious harm to the economy of the United States," which the Senate correctly thought Kyoto would do....

President Clinton and his earnest vice president knew better than to seek ratification of Kyoto by a Senate that had passed its resolution of disapproval 95-0. Fifty-six of those 95 senators are still serving. Two of them are John Kerry and Barbara Boxer. That is an inconvenient truth.

george f. will is so full of shit, and is now arguing that global warming and climate change will be good for our civilization. ditto the fact that most of these right-wing clowns are nothing but mouthpieces for corporations and the energy/oil industry. their campaign that we can't combat global warming due to economic damage or whatever, ditto the fact that they're challenging scientists (and in the process sounding just like bible thumpers who challenge evolution), is just like how the tobacco industry initiated their own advertising campaign in the mid 1960s, that smoking wasn't a threat to one's health.

[abcdefz]

I think the point he was making was that there's a certain arrogance in assuming we know that climate must never, ever change. I'm not sure I buy that myself, but I do know we kind of meddle with species to a certain extent, as if extinction cannot be part of the environmental process.

Yeah, I mean, I think we need to get a grip on our ridiculous energy consumption, because, on our watch, we're making the world less habitable. But the original post was asking why some countries didn't ratify the protocol, and since I had just read this essay, I thought it would be interesting kindling for the fire.

George Will is usually a pretty good thinker, though. In this case, he probably should have just gone after the hypocrisy of senators who had overwhelmingly voted against the protocol now trying to get some mileage out of how bad the President or the USA are for not ratifying it.

[fucktopgirl]

HUman are the ones who accelerate climat change , since the industrialization, it just have sky rocket, the nasty gaz emission that is.

Energy consumption and production have to become more green and clean. But with the oil reign, it will be hard. Fossil combustible is our downfall on every level; war and pollution.

I know why HArper, canada prime misnister and major dickhead, did back off from kyoto; because of our tar sand. This black gold is situated in Alberta, 3 big company are digging up this black sand and the process to extract the oil from it is super dirty and create a lot of pollution, in the air as well as in the ground and his ecosystem. We have more oils then IRAk, the second largest oil productors in the world. COuld you imagine that...i want to cry , they will ravage alberta.

no way we will be able to meet kyoto requirements....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UQyRx8M9BZo
Good publicity of the tar sand, american vision...bullshit

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bC5so2T-YrA
:( , it really make me sad!

[fucktopgirl]

http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=-7408504973132978571&q=Global+warming

BUsh on global warming!



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3n31Y3Eeqic

[DroppinScience]

we aren't part of it because our prime minister is a dickhead and has his tongue up george bush's ass. But the reason he claims we're not part of it is because he believes we're too insignificant to make a difference. and he also believes that why should we be part of it if our emission levels are less than the annual emissionb level increases of China

How interesting. This is a common argument used in Canada for those opposed to Kyoto (Canadian efforts alone won't make a difference). Idiots. If we ALL did something (whether "significant" or "insignificant"), it'd make an impact. Power in numbers.

[ToucanSpam]

If we ALL did something (whether "significant" or "insignificant"), it'd make an impact. Power in numbers.

This sounds like commie-speak.



Kill him.

[phinkasaurus]

the only reason countries haven't ratified the Kyoto Protocol is because it will cost money, in the form of lost revenue. that is it. usa especially will lose loads of money, and all the corporations that our gov't represents are making sure the administration never ratifies it.

and as long as money and profit are the deciding factors in our policies, the Protocol as it stands now will not be ratified.

but the truth is all the costs we would incur now will pale in comparison to what it will cost down the line when action is forced due to real world conditions, i.e. sea levels rising and creating hundreds of thousands of refugees

and here is the UN's page (http://unfccc.int/resource/docs/convkp/kpeng.html) with the text of the entire Kyoto Protocol