if there really is no hip-hop on this record...

[roosta]

...i think i'm gonna be pretty dissapointed.

ive always been of the school of thought that said that artists should really do what they feel like, and for the most part when my all-time fave's have done something different from the norm its worked out cuz i dig it. And that's not to say this record won't be great, but I can't see myself not being slightly let down if there's not the ol' boom bap on the new record.

To me the beastie's are a hip-hop group who dabble in other forms. A radical shift from this is scary to me.

[Deep_Sea_Rain]

...i think i'm gonna be pretty dissapointed.

ive always been of the school of thought that said that artists should really do what they feel like, and for the most part when my all-time fave's have done something different from the norm its worked out cuz i dig it. And that's not to say this record won't be great, but I can't see myself not being slightly let down if there's not the ol' boom bap on the new record.

To me the beastie's are a hip-hop group who dabble in other forms. A radical shift from this is scary to me.

Preach.

[cj hood]

...i think i'm gonna be pretty dissapointed.

ive always been of the school of thought that said that artists should really do what they feel like, and for the most part when my all-time fave's have done something different from the norm its worked out cuz i dig it. And that's not to say this record won't be great, but I can't see myself not being slightly let down if there's not the ol' boom bap on the new record.

To me the beastie's are a hip-hop group who dabble in other forms. A radical shift from this is scary to me.

agree..

[DrunkenMantis]

they've got to throw us a bone soon, i'm dying to hear something.....a sound bite, please

[DeeJayZap]

yo we ddont know what we're dealing with yet. patience.

[Kid Presentable]

Co-Sign. But we'll live.

[Brother McDuff]

yeah, it's been almost a decade now that we've not gotten one of those full-on crunchy bboy hip-hop tracks. many excellent tracks since, many classics, but departures from that distinct, free-for-all hip-hop style I love the most (circa '89-'98).

[canucklehead200]

yeah, it's been almost a decade now that we've not gotten one of those full-on crunchy bboy hip-hop tracks. many excellent tracks since, many classics, but departures from that distinct, free-for-all hip-hop style I love the most (circa '89-'98).


agreed, bring back the experimentalism of hello nasty for rap/hip hop songs AND funk/jazz material

[JobDDT]

Some of us were disappointed when there were no instruments on TT5B. So I guess what goes around comes around.

I'd love to see them do both though, and they probably will.

[DrunkenMantis]

sounds good to me

[pshabi]

...i think i'm gonna be pretty dissapointed.

ive always been of the school of thought that said that artists should really do what they feel like, and for the most part when my all-time fave's have done something different from the norm its worked out cuz i dig it. And that's not to say this record won't be great, but I can't see myself not being slightly let down if there's not the ol' boom bap on the new record.

To me the beastie's are a hip-hop group who dabble in other forms. A radical shift from this is scary to me.
Church

[YoungRemy]

how come no one has brought up the idea that they might be fucking with whoever is interviewing them?

either that or I'm still waiting for Yauch's energy drink with snake vomit and turtles blood...

[Funkyfreshgrape]

either that or I'm still waiting for Yauch's energy drink with snake vomit and turtles blood...
LOL!



why the hell do you guys sound so depressed???:(

[Kid Presentable]

LOL!



why the hell do you guys sound so depressed???:(
lol you can't hear us.

[Justin]

Remember CYH was going to be all instrumental until right before they finished the record!

[pm0ney]

My gut reaction is telling me that if this is an official 7th studio album from the Beastie Boys, there will be hip hop on it. Regardless of how many different styles and shit they put on an album, theres always at least a large handful of hip hop songs. Otherwise, how are they going to be able to promote it?

[Kid Presentable]

Otherwise, how are they going to be able to promote it?
As the new album from the Beastie Boys. That's a very simple conclusion.

[balohna]

Plus it is possible to have a non hip-hop hit. It would probably be hard without vocals, but I would assume there's vocals on the album.

[manwich]

yeah, it's been almost a decade now that we've not gotten one of those full-on crunchy bboy hip-hop tracks. many excellent tracks since, many classics, but departures from that distinct, free-for-all hip-hop style I love the most (circa '89-'98).

this is funny, so basically no go on the first album or last album they put out. The eleven years that you dig is when they released the most albums (four) PLUS an all instrumental record (in sounds from way out). The only thing they released since '98 was TT5B (not including greatest hits stuff). I know where you are coming from. it is good to hear that the time period you liked encapsulates the most records released:p I like all of em. I'm just biased like that though haha

[Brother McDuff]

this is funny, so basically no go on the first album or last album they put out. The eleven years that you dig is when they released the most albums (four) PLUS an all instrumental record (in sounds from way out). The only thing they released since '98 was TT5B (not including greatest hits stuff). I know where you are coming from. it is good to hear that the time period you liked encapsulates the most records released:p I like all of em. I'm just biased like that though haha

yeah, i guess i was a bit vague there. but what i mean about that timespan, is the heavy experimentation they did with hip-hop in those years. not that the other two albums weren't fresh at all, but I liked when there was just tons of wild shit going on within a single song, where the track changes from one thing to something completely different then back, and so on. weird sounds and instruments comin' in and out for like 2 seconds and never to be heard from again.

I don't doubt that it's a real challenge for them to find new things to do with their hip-hop tracks these days, let alone feel satisfied that they're being different. if you look at the hip hop tracks throughout their career, i mean, they've mastered so many different styles of hip-hop, not to mention have mix and matched the F outta these styles as well. they've rocked the old school, electro, sample-heavy, sampled themselves, rock-rap, conscious rap, commercial type stuff, spacey, machine-heavy arrangements, etc. not that they feel they need to be different to satisfy fans, but just for their own satisfaction as artists in trying new things and not dwelling on some shit they've already flipped really hard.

[pshabi]

There will be vocals on the album. There's no way they're going to put out an all-instrumental album. The question is whether or not there will be hip hop.

[funk63]

i have a feeling its gonna be a great album.

[Pootytang]

The craziest thing happened to me today. I was working in this ladies house. She had this parrot, right. Out of the clear blue, this parrot starts going off talking some crazy shit. I start ignoring it until it said "Beastie Boys rock". I was like "WOE! What in the fuck do you know about the Beastie Boys mr. parrot?" It answers back "I know the Beastie Boys next album is going to be an instrumental one, errrrrrk". I got to believe what a parrot tells me.

[pshabi]

The craziest thing happened to me today. I was working in this ladies house. She had this parrot, right. Out of the clear blue, this parrot starts going off talking some crazy shit. I start ignoring it until it said "Beastie Boys rock". I was like "WOE! What in the fuck do you know about the Beastie Boys mr. parrot?" It answers back "I know the Beastie Boys next album is going to be an instrumental one, errrrrrk". I got to believe what a parrot tells me.

You believe a parrot over moi?

Fuck that boo-shit.

[Deep_Sea_Rain]

It answers back "I know the Beastie Boys next album is going to be an instrumental one, errrrrrk". I got to believe what a parrot tells me.

Pooty, shoot that parrot right away. :)

[martijn]

Otherwise, how are they going to be able to promote it?

ehm, they don't need hip hop to promote it. i think a lot of people will apreciate a full album with instruments, when they played in the melkweg amsterdam in 2004 a lot of people in the crowd where punk / rock guys and girls and not only hip hop, i think they will be happy with a non hip hop album...

[balohna]

I heard it's going to be an eclectic sounding album with little similarity to their past work, combining several cutting edge styles of music to create an unusual experimental soundscape. It's going to be two and a half hours long and titled Jihad! because of the overtly political lyrics.

[Brother McDuff]

The craziest thing happened to me today. I was working in this ladies house. She had this parrot, right. Out of the clear blue, this parrot starts going off talking some crazy shit. I start ignoring it until it said "Beastie Boys rock". I was like "WOE! What in the fuck do you know about the Beastie Boys mr. parrot?" It answers back "I know the Beastie Boys next album is going to be an instrumental one, errrrrrk". I got to believe what a parrot tells me.


damn you pooty, you really had me going there until the ending.

boy do i feel like an ass.:o

[OJ Simpson]

Pooty, shoot that parrot right away. :)

Make sure you put your gloves on first!

[KENNY GUIDO]

Listen folks,



Ive been hearing for a while now that HIP HOP is losing its strength and popularity. This just proves it.

[DrunkenMantis]

maybe this one will be their Dark Side of the Moon.

[Sir SkratchaLot]

Hip hop isn't really a style of music. Its a culture and a mindset. Everything the Beasties do has that hip hop mindset behind it, even the instrumentals, even the punk rock. People always try to catagorize shit based on the deviders at the music store. I think that's a really limited way to look at music. Unless they approach from a vastly different angle it will be a hip hop album, it just sounds like it won't be the type of hip hop that people are used to.

[DJ Pioneer]

yeah, it's been almost a decade now that we've not gotten one of those full-on crunchy bboy hip-hop tracks. many excellent tracks since, many classics, but departures from that distinct, free-for-all hip-hop style I love the most (circa '89-'98).

I agree with you.(y)

I've been listening to Hello Nasty a lot lately. The late 90s were probably my favorite era for the Beastie Boys. Adrock was working hard, messing around with beats all the time. The remixes were cool, the B-sides were mostly decent. I just liked the old school, yet creative side to the beats. They were banging, and the guys were on top of their game as far as rhyming. I liked Mike D's Drums of Death with DJ Shadow and Mike D and Adrock with De La Soul on "Stomp." It was a good time for them.

[DJ Pioneer]

Hip hop isn't really a style of music. Its a culture and a mindset. Everything the Beasties do has that hip hop mindset behind it, even the instrumentals, even the punk rock. People always try to catagorize shit based on the deviders at the music store. I think that's a really limited way to look at music. Unless they approach from a vastly different angle it will be a hip hop album, it just sounds like it won't be the type of hip hop that people are used to.

Yeah, hip hop is more of a mindset and culture definitely. When asked in interviews, all 3 of them respond the same way to the question "Who do you consider you peers in the music industry?" They always say rappers and hip hop guys. I don't ever see them making an album with absolutely no hip hop influence.

[pm0ney]

ehm, they don't need hip hop to promote it. i think a lot of people will apreciate a full album with instruments, when they played in the melkweg amsterdam in 2004 a lot of people in the crowd where punk / rock guys and girls and not only hip hop, i think they will be happy with a non hip hop album...

I dont know, its a huge a risk. Mainstream doesn't give a shit about instruments, they want to hear something like Intergalactic or Ch Check It Out.

[JasonP]

Hip hop isn't really a style of music. Its a culture and a mindset. Everything the Beasties do has that hip hop mindset behind it, even the instrumentals, even the punk rock. People always try to catagorize shit based on the deviders at the music store. I think that's a really limited way to look at music. Unless they approach from a vastly different angle it will be a hip hop album, it just sounds like it won't be the type of hip hop that people are used to.

wurd...there may be no rapping on the album, but the Beastie Boys are Hip Hop.

[cj hood]

not that this matters......but the beasties aren't as popular to the main stream...(especially hiphop fans)...as they once were......so all it would take is one weak album to throw them off the radar.....and they can't afford that at this stage in their careers.....

so the few people on here who wouldn't mind an all instrumental record aren't enough to keep them (and that record) above water......

[abcdefz]

not that this matters......but the beasties aren't as popular to the main stream...(especially hiphop fans)...as they once were......so all it would take is one weak album to throw them off the radar.....and they can't afford that at this stage in their careers.....




Pffft. They're artists who've made one of the inarguable masterpieces on vinyl. They can "afford" to do whatever they want as long as none of them develops, say, a really nasty coke habit or whatever and burns through their millions.

Hell, did you ever hear some of Dylan's worst albums? And then, about 45 years into his career he still pops out an album that goes to #1. Get serious.

[cj hood]

Pffft. They're artists who've made one of the inarguable masterpieces on vinyl. They can "afford" to do whatever they want as long as none of them develops, say, a really nasty coke habit or whatever and burns through their millions.

Hell, did you ever hear some of Dylan's worst albums? And then, about 45 years into his career he still pops out an album that goes to #1. Get serious.

so this album will be instrumental and the next cd will be hiphop? they'll be close to their 50s by then.....if it was 15 years ago they could f' around like that......how they end their career will be an important part of their legacy.....

[abcdefz]

I don't know that this album will be all-instrumental, but who knows?

They're around 40 right now; I don't think any rap artists have mapped out what rapping in your 40's looks like. Kind of like how bands like the Who and the Rolling Stones struggled with aging in rock. Hell, for the longest time, Springsteen didn't snag a wife because he insisted he wasn't ready to write "married music" yet.

I'd think the only way the Beastie Boys can continue to age but still make anything resembling hip hop is if they do it from the gut. Anything without that sort of integrity would be either too self-conscious (TT5B) or smack of parody, posing, or insincerity (LTI).

The best thing they could do is not give a fuck about fans' expectations. (y)

[JobDDT]

Hip Hop isn't dead, but for sure the mainstream doesn't care as much about it lately as they did a few years ago. Maybe the egotistical MCs talking about bling and how much money they have in every single track caused hip hop to become a parody of itself.

[phinkasaurus]

The best thing they could do is not give a fuck about fans' expectations. (y)


i read the entire thread and that's the best line...


the new album will be whatever it will be.
chances are that a beastie fan will like it.
mainstream can go fuck themselves.
a non commercially successful record is not going to put them in the poor house.

[abcdefz]

....on that tip, let's not forget that Paul's Boutique was a huge bust when it came out. Capitol spent a ton on the packaging and print ads and it tanked.

Fast forward a few years and Check Your Head debuts at #1, but it's not much like either earlier album.

[Late-Night Lion]

^ And Check Your Head's success was more organic, there wasn't much of a push for that.

Beastie Boys are established enough now that they really can do whatever they want and not worry, I'd rather have an album where they really care about the music they make, instead of trying to please the mainstream/record company.

[KENNY GUIDO]

Hip Hop isn't dead, but for sure the mainstream doesn't care as much about it lately as they did a few years ago. Maybe the egotistical MCs talking about bling and how much money they have in every single track caused hip hop to become a parody of itself.


its not "dead" but its slowly losing its popularity, like i had previously said.

[KENNY GUIDO]

I mean, what do we want from the boys? An album that we can all love and making a success like LTI & CYH or do we want them to experiment and come out with another PB & HN and slowly wither away?

[KENNY GUIDO]

not that this matters......but the beasties aren't as popular to the main stream...(especially hiphop fans)...as they once were......so all it would take is one weak album to throw them off the radar.....and they can't afford that at this stage in their careers.....

so the few people on here who wouldn't mind an all instrumental record aren't enough to keep them (and that record) above water......

I concur. I have friend in the biz and most of them hung up thier hats because they see what reality. One artist told me "were in out 40's.....how much longer can we keep releasing material that people will or will not like?"

[abcdefz]

One artist told me "were in out 40's.....how much longer can we keep releasing material that people will or will not like?"




You never know what people will or won't like, unless you're Timbaland or something. And an artist shouldn't be second-guessing the audience in the first place, anyway. That's the surest way to be stale.

[melonhead]

...i think i'm gonna be pretty dissapointed.

ive always been of the school of thought that said that artists should really do what they feel like, and for the most part when my all-time fave's have done something different from the norm its worked out cuz i dig it. And that's not to say this record won't be great, but I can't see myself not being slightly let down if there's not the ol' boom bap on the new record.

To me the beastie's are a hip-hop group who dabble in other forms. A radical shift from this is scary to me.


i think the beastie boys are a punk rock band,who started dabbling in other forms starting in '83...cookie puss hey!;)

[roosta]

i think the beastie boys are a punk rock band,who started dabbling in other forms starting in '83...cookie puss hey!;)

I really don';t think you can describe the beastie boys (right now) as a punk band. they once were a punk band, but they don't resemble a punk band at all now.

they are a hip-hop band.

[melonhead]

i agree. they still harness that punk attitude though. i think mike d said something like (paraphrase) "if people don't like the new record...oh well" or something to that extent.

[KENNY GUIDO]

they are a hip-hop band.

actually, theyre "pop!" :)

[KENNY GUIDO]

You never know what people will or won't like, unless you're Timbaland or something. And an artist shouldn't be second-guessing the audience in the first place, anyway. That's the surest way to be stale.


well, when it comes to the fans of the beastie boys, were pretty much predictable. some of us to hear them rap, some want them to go grunge, some punk rock and the others jam sessions.

[Deep_Sea_Rain]

not that this matters......but the beasties aren't as popular to the main stream...(especially hiphop fans)...as they once were......so all it would take is one weak album to throw them off the radar.....and they can't afford that at this stage in their careers.....

so the few people on here who wouldn't mind an all instrumental record aren't enough to keep them (and that record) above water......

'Nuff said.

Haha, and I love the OJ Alias, whoever you are.

[abcdefz]

You people were the ones crying "JUDAS!" when Dylan went electric, weren't you?

[Johnny Railroad]

...i think i'm gonna be pretty dissapointed.

ive always been of the school of thought that said that artists should really do what they feel like, and for the most part when my all-time fave's have done something different from the norm its worked out cuz i dig it. And that's not to say this record won't be great, but I can't see myself not being slightly let down if there's not the ol' boom bap on the new record.

To me the beastie's are a hip-hop group who dabble in other forms. A radical shift from this is scary to me.

So for me they are a Hardcore Band ....... bring back the old days ! :rolleyes:

[Brother McDuff]

I mean, what do we want from the boys? An album that we can all love and making a success like LTI & CYH or do we want them to experiment and come out with another PB & HN and slowly wither away?


definitely the latter. i can care less if they remain popular or not, as long as they're making new music. and i'm sure when they finally do quit creating it's going to be on their own terms, not on whether or not they're getting invited to TRL or not.

[DrunkenMantis]

they are chameleons

[balohna]

I mean, what do we want from the boys? An album that we can all love and making a success like LTI & CYH or do we want them to experiment and come out with another PB & HN and slowly wither away?

HN is quadruple platinum and Check Your Head is double platinum.

[JohnnyChavello]

Check Your Head debuted in the top ten, not at #1. The lack of mainstream success of Paul's Boutique is, ironically, one of the major reasons why Check Your Head debuted even that well. PB gave the Beasties a new "alternative" audience because college radio stations and underground word of mouth got that record out into the cultural landscape. So, when CYH dropped, hipsters were waiting for it and bought it in droves; neither the hip-hop community, nor the mainstream audience, was checking for it at all.

[abcdefz]

Check Your Head debuted in the top ten, not at #1.


You're right -- CYH topped at #10 (in America). My bad.


Ill Communication hit #1. I guess because of Sabotoge?


The lack of mainstream success of Paul's Boutique is, ironically, one of the major reasons why Check Your Head debuted even that well. PB gave the Beasties a new "alternative" audience because college radio stations and underground word of mouth got that record out into the cultural landscape. So, when CYH dropped, hipsters were waiting for it and bought it in droves; neither the hip-hop community, nor the mainstream audience, was checking for it at all.


Yeah -- that's how I stumbled onto it.

[KENNY GUIDO]

HN is quadruple platinum and Check Your Head is double platinum.

CYH was a more memorable album than HN. CYH bought them to another level.

[abcdefz]

I think Hello Nasty is better. It's my favorite record of theirs, though PB is a wee bit better.

[Brother McDuff]

I think Hello Nasty is better. It's my favorite record of theirs...


i agree. though hello nasty gets a lot of credit for it's successful sales and all, I think it's a bit underrated when it comes to just how quality a record it really is.

[balohna]

CYH was a more memorable album than HN. CYH bought them to another level.
Yes, but you put "HN and PB" together as if they barely sold or something.

[canucklehead200]

I think Hello Nasty is better. It's my favorite record of theirs, though PB is a wee bit better.

it's my favourite too, on HN they redefined "ahead of their time" as far as the creativity of their sound, truly groundbreaking, sadly it often gets looked over as a beasties classic album

[phinkasaurus]

PB gave the Beasties a new "alternative" audience because college radio stations and underground word of mouth got that record out into the cultural landscape... neither the hip-hop community, nor the mainstream audience, was checking for [CYH] at all.


i beg to differ.
the commercial success of PB had no bearing on the hip hop community's respect and embracing of the album. many hip hop groups of the nineties were greatly influenced by PB and it's amount and style of sampling.

[KENNY GUIDO]

Yes, but you put "HN and PB" together as if they barely sold or something.

in comparison to LTI and CYH.

Alls I know is when CYH was dropped, "SO WACHA WANT" had all the metal heads and grunge fans excited because of its raw feel to it. HN didnt seem to excite those same people. Im going by expierence. :)

[KENNY GUIDO]

i beg to differ.
the commercial success of PB had no bearing on the hip hop community's respect and embracing of the album. many hip hop groups of the nineties were greatly influenced by PB and it's amount and style of sampling.

commercial success? It had no success. It bombed.

[roosta]

So for me they are a Hardcore Band ....... bring back the old days ! :rolleyes:

so, you've been doing something else for the last 25 years?

[Johnny Railroad]

so, you've been doing something else for the last 25 years?

i like the SOB and AEO very much ... no don`t take me not too seriously...

i like the Beastie Boys because of here ability to play different roles and styles in Music and look ...

so they never get boring and I really like all of the BB stuff , also BS200 and Country Mike ......

so I have a big spectrum in music taste DrumandBase to Jazz to Experimental pop everything - so not every shit but i pick up the music pearls of every style so the beasti Boys feed my hunger for relief (y) :)

[Kid Presentable]

i agree. though hello nasty gets a lot of credit for it's successful sales and all, I think it's a bit underrated when it comes to just how quality a record it really is.
It's my least favourite album. The lyrics (barring 2 or 3 songs) are comparatively average, and the whole 'So dorky we're cool' thing was a real let-down to me at the time. I was checking for the styles prevalent on TT5B much more when that dropped. I also don't like the filler, or the fact that although the beats are impressive, you can tell it was pretty much all Adrock on most of the other tracks (barring maybe Song For Junior and I Don't Know and Remote Control because some idiot will try and pick my opinion apart). And I fucking can not stand Song For the Man.

Yes, I know there's filler on other albums, but to me it worked in those instances (Blue Nun, yup yup). Now, HN is good enough for me to give it a listen and enjoy it, but it's definitely the first time I was let down by them.

Whatever about the new album. I think it will be good. But maybe it won't. Who cares?

[JohnnyChavello]

i beg to differ.
the commercial success of PB had no bearing on the hip hop community's respect and embracing of the album. many hip hop groups of the nineties were greatly influenced by PB and it's amount and style of sampling.

The hip-hop community, in general terms, did not "embrace" the album when it was released. I'm sure it's true that many hip hop groups of the 90s were influenced by it, but they, like just about everyone else, came to the album late.

[Jitters]

Listen folks,



Ive been hearing for a while now that HIP HOP is losing its strength and popularity. This just proves it.

Hip-Hop isn't losing it's strength..... it's been dead for a while now hasn't it?

[Jitters]

CYH bought them to another level.

Am I the only one on here that thinks CYH is just O.K....? Nothing mindblowing but still solid I guess you could say.

[Kid Presentable]

Am I the only one on here that thinks CYH is just O.K....? Nothing mindblowing but still solid I guess you could say.
Check Your Head was incredible if you were there at the time.

[Jitters]

Check Your Head was incredible if you were there at the time.

Good point. I was only 2 years old when it was released and if you were into that style of music at the time I'm sure it was interesting to hear at the very least.

[JobDDT]

I mean, I was born in '88, but even I consider the early 90s to be one of the best periods for music ever. Gangsta rap, grunge, etc...

[dana]

I don't know, they've always put albums out that haven't really fit in with whatever the mainstream music is of the time, but relevant enough to appeal to the masses. Mainstream hip hop is dying, but does that mean they will stray from hip hop? I don't know. I can see something reminiscent of CYH coming in the future, for some reason. A good balance of melody/instrumentals and hip hop. CYH still sounds very experimental to me. I'd like that.

[cj hood]

in comparison to LTI and CYH.

Alls I know is when CYH was dropped, "SO WACHA WANT" had all the metal heads and grunge fans excited because of its raw feel to it. HN didnt seem to excite those same people. Im going by expierence. :)

totally......freshman year in college.....heads going f'in nuts for 'sww'......

[Chachi]

There should be hip hop on this album. If there is not.. it is a big let down. It's because of hip hop they have the fame they have. It is what they are best known for. It's because of hip hop they have been able to do all these other things, from Tibetan benefits and on. I mean they were Hip Hop honorees last year, what more does that tell you.
I don't care if they use there instruments or play instrumetals, I just hope they don't completly abandon their rhymes.

[KENNY GUIDO]

Hip-Hop isn't losing it's strength..... it's been dead for a while now hasn't it?


lmao!

[KENNY GUIDO]

Check Your Head was incredible if you were there at the time.


it was incredible!

[KENNY GUIDO]

I mean, I was born in '88, but even I consider the early 90s to be one of the best periods for music ever. Gangsta rap, grunge, etc...

actually, the early 90's was the worst. the 80's was the best.

[JobDDT]

actually, the early 90's was the worst. the 80's was the best.

You're joking, right?

There were some good joints in the 80s, but it was dominated by generic hair band songs and other cliche tracks that sucked to the ninth degree. People look back on "Final Countdown" kindly, but it and many other songs from the 80s were lyrically pathetic and generic.

[cj hood]

"hiphop's not dead; just hibernatin"



this record has to have rhymes.....whether they're good or bad is for another thread.....but mc'in is a must!

[pm0ney]

For real. I need my beasties hip hop fix.

As for the CYH vs Hello Nasty argument, I gotta agree with Kid Presentable with the fact that for some reason on Hello Nasty the Boys were like ultra conservative in what they said and shit. The "so dorky we're cool" quote was funny as hell. If Hello Nasty was 12 tracks long with just the hip hop cuts on there, it'd easily be one of my favorites. But you gotta look at the album as a whole. Theres 22 fuckin tracks on that thing. Thats why for what it was, I thought TT5B was a better album. And Check Your Head blows both of them out of the water.

[KENNY GUIDO]

You're joking, right?

There were some good joints in the 80s, but it was dominated by generic hair band songs and other cliche tracks that sucked to the ninth degree. People look back on "Final Countdown" kindly, but it and many other songs from the 80s were lyrically pathetic and generic.



um RAP became MAINSTREAM in the 80's.

yea, the 80's sucked.:rolleyes:

[JobDDT]

um RAP became MAINSTREAM in the 80's.

yea, the 80's sucked.:rolleyes:

Rap was mainstream in the 1980s.

Rap was phenominal in the 1990s.

[balohna]

Rap has been on and off no matter the time period.

[Chicka B]

Ok so from all the clues and hints we been givin it's gonna be some kinda spy soundtrack music that sounds similar to Check Your Head...maybe they'll add a little hip hop twist to it, like beats or something? And just because it's gonna be mostly instrumental don't they can't rap over it right? Well I have no idea what I'm talkin about, we'll just have to see. I'm sure it'll be amazing though. :p

[Spanky1]

Ok so from all the clues and hints we been givin it's gonna be some kinda spy soundtrack music that sounds similar to Check Your Head...maybe they'll add a little hip hop twist to it, like beats or something? And just because it's gonna be mostly instrumental don't they can't rap over it right? Well I have no idea what I'm talkin about, we'll just have to see. I'm sure it'll be amazing though. :p


(y) Agree's

[funk63]

K-Fed
is the antichrist

[AdRockGRL]

Well... reading all your posts (or the most of) i recognized that y'all seem very very worried about this new incoming album. I ask: WHY!?
Did 'em ever disappointer us!? In my case I can say: NO, they didn't...
So i guess it would be better to wait patiently and as much rrelaxed as possible, and judge AFTER the album came out! :)
It's the only way, in my opinion! :D

and i guess the album will be great!

[KENNY GUIDO]

Rap was mainstream in the 1980s.

Rap was phenominal in the 1990s.


and its dead in 00's.

what your point?

[AdRockGRL]

and its dead in 00's.

what your point?
I could say that i agree... because at least the Hip Hop music that we play now is good only when it's "Old School"... the "modern Hip hop" sucks...

[KENNY GUIDO]

I could say that i agree... because at least the Hip Hop music that we play now is good only when it's "Old School"... the "modern Hip hop" sucks...


definetly! rap is a joke now. its so friggin commercial and watered down now.

[PaddyBoy]

I am not particularly bothered about whether or not there is hip-hop on the new album, all I care about is that whatever they produce is good!

If they released TT5B 2 now with rhymes from Mike D about being a Scorpio, I would be pissed off. So as long as they keep things fresh and the quality up, I'll be happy with whatever style.

Anyway, I doubt that the new album will be all instrumentals, you can't really have BBoy singles released without any vocals, they'd sink without trace.

[MC Boulangerie]

If they released TT5B 2 now with rhymes from Mike D about being a Scorpio, I would be pissed off.
:D :D :D

[dave790]

I'm so ready for the Beastie Boys to blow my mind with something different!

I feel sorry for the fans who only listen to their hip-hop songs. To me, you're missing out on what makes the Beastie Boys special: their musical diversity. How many bands in the last 50 years have recorded hardcore, hip-hop/rap, funk instrumental, and country albums? I'm excited to see what more they can add to the list!

It's been said, but it's because of the diversity and how they've evolved over time that they've been around so long, and remained popular.

[KENNY GUIDO]

I am not particularly bothered about whether or not there is hip-hop on the new album, all I care about is that whatever they produce is good!



I concur. And for the record, I enjoyed the beasties other material that wasnt rap. :D who can really say that they hate "so wacha want" and "sabotage?"

[Documad]

I'm not sure they're even putting out an album this year.

[roosta]

I dont just listen to their hip-hop stuff. I dont usually skip tracks when listening to their albums (maybe the hardcore stuff), for instance i love most of hello nasty. its just that the overwhelming bulk of the beastie's catalogue has been hip-hop, and i always look forward to a new album (as we all do) but if the new record is completely hip-hop free it might'nt have the impact for me previous records have, and i just worry.

as I said, this album could be great, and i love the diversity, but I just really want to keep hearing the beastie's make hip-hop.....

[balohna]

You skip the hardcore? Those are some of my favourite songs! Every fan is different though, I guess that's part of what makes this board so interesting.

[pshabi]

I concur. And for the record, I enjoyed the beasties other material that wasnt rap. :D who can really say that they hate "so wacha want" and "sabotage?"
What do you classify "So Whatcha Want" as, if not "rap?":confused:

[Lex Diamonds]

definetly! rap is a joke now. its so friggin commercial and watered down now.
Real hip-hop is still alive, you just have to know where to find it.

[Brother McDuff]

Real hip-hop is still alive, you just have to know where to find it.


amen.

people who claim that there's no good hip-hop anymore just haven't looked for it. there's plenty of good stuff going on out there, and it's not that hard to find.

[KENNY GUIDO]

What do you classify "So Whatcha Want" as, if not "rap?":confused:

Its got a little rap but its not a rap song. I dunno what I would classify it though. the beasties are in thier own catagory.

[KENNY GUIDO]

amen.

people who claim that there's no good hip-hop anymore just haven't looked for it. there's plenty of good stuff going on out there, and it's not that hard to find.


its crap. Ive heard it.

[KENNY GUIDO]

Real hip-hop is still alive, you just have to know where to find it.


I know where to find it. it sounds like shit. thus, rap is losing its steam.

[Kid Presentable]

LOL. I see a lot of arguments on other hip-hop forums under the topic "Are the Beastie Boys hip-hop?", and they usually feature all of those quotes from 98 that Sean Wiggunz and Raekwon and somesuch put forward. But one dude said: "If they were really considered hip-hop, people wouldn't need to ask.". And although that pained me a little, it was a good point.

[Kid Presentable]

And co-sign Paster. Guido, I'm happy you got to witness the old-school.

[Lex Diamonds]

I know where to find it. it sounds like shit. thus, rap is losing its steam.
I guess ignorance is bliss.

[KENNY GUIDO]

I guess ignorance is bliss.

I know shit when I hear it.

[abcdefz]

I'm so ready for the Beastie Boys to blow my mind with something different!

I feel sorry for the fans who only listen to their hip-hop songs. To me, you're missing out on what makes the Beastie Boys special: their musical diversity. How many bands in the last 50 years have recorded hardcore, hip-hop/rap, funk instrumental, and country albums? I'm excited to see what more they can add to the list!


They remind me of The Clash in that way -- they can pretty comfortably move all over the map, and (overall) they're not satisfied putting out music that's kind of a stale imitation of what they did last.

[Lex Diamonds]

I know shit when I hear it.
You're saying that there is no such thing as good hip-hop being made anymore. Whichever way you wanna slice it, that's one big fat Ignorance Pie.

[roosta]

But one dude said: "If they were really considered hip-hop, people wouldn't need to ask.". And although that pained me a little, it was a good point.

nah, i dissagree.

in fact, i'd say "if you need to ask, your an idiot".

of course they are.

[abcdefz]

How funny.

From CNN today:


"Has rap music hit a wall?" (http://www.cnn.com/2007/SHOWBIZ/Music/03/05/music.rapbacklash.ap/index.html)


Rap insider Chuck Creekmur, who runs the leading Web site Allhiphop.com, says he got a message from a friend recently "asking me to hook her up with some Red Hot Chili Peppers because she said she's through with rap. A lot of people are sick of rap ... the negativity is just over the top now."

The rapper Nas, considered one of the greats, challenged the condition of the art form when he titled his latest album "Hip-Hop is Dead." It's at least ailing, according to recent statistics: Though music sales are down overall, rap sales slid a whopping 21 percent from 2005 to 2006, and for the first time in 12 years no rap album was among the top 10 sellers of the year.

[cj hood]

i agree with both sides here.....as far as radio/tv goes: hiphop is dead.......its a joke and has been for a while.......

that being said....the best mc's on earth aren't even signed to a label yet......or are on indie labels......

although i didn't dig HHID.....i think nas is the truest mc of all radio/tv 'rappers'...

edit: one of the reasons why CYH was so good cuz the instrumentals were just as good as the hiphop trax........that and the fact that it was brand new for them.....

[KENNY GUIDO]

nah, i dissagree.

in fact, i'd say "if you need to ask, your an idiot".

of course they are.


Fine, there are probably a handful of rap acts out there that are good, but it doesnt make up for all the rest of the shit thats out there. the shit smell is making rap look and sound bad.

[Brother McDuff]

I know shit when I hear it.



so do I...

its crap. Ive heard it.

[Lex Diamonds]

Fine, there are probably a handful of rap acts out there that are good, but it doesnt make up for all the rest of the shit thats out there. the shit smell is making rap look and sound bad.
Mainstream rap and hip-hop are not the same thing. Mainstream rap is shit and for the most part always has been. But there is still plenty of good hip-hop being made.

[KENNY GUIDO]

I suggest you join in a discussion where we talk about hip hop being dead:

http://www.beastieboys.com/bbs/showthread.php?t=77641