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DroppinScience
03-04-2007, 04:26 AM
I love my dad and all, but the dude gets on my nerves. I'd like to hear your input on this.

Okay, so ever since 9/11 happened, he's cast a suspicious eye towards the Middle East, much like a lot of people. Specifically, I'm referring to Muslims more than anything.

I wouldn't consider him a racist person by any means. For example, in his dental practice, the staff and dentists he hires on are almost all non-white (mostly Asians) and he's respectful of everyone. However, the one exception that's persisted (sometimes subtly, sometimes not as subtly) as of late is towards Muslims.

Before I go on, by no means is he a hateful person. He never participated in any hate-crimes against Muslims during the 9/11 aftermath nor does he shout slurs or anything of the sort. He's a well-educated and articulate person. However, I think he's become brainwashed by the mass media and more or less equates Islam with terrorism.

Now, he knows like everyone else, that not every Muslim is a terrorist, but he said "they've got enough bad people anyway."

I'll give you two very recent examples:

Friday night, we went to go see the French film "Days Of Glory (Indigenes)" which is a story of France's colonies (Algeria and others) fighting to free France from German occupation in World War II. So the story shows how hard these Muslim soldiers fought and gave their lives for a country that treated them with indifference or contempt. He enjoyed the movie, but he said "it's got an agenda" and made the flippant remark that it could incite the Muslims of today to "rise up" or some such nonsense (I don't think they needed this film to get that inspiration :rolleyes: ), and mentioned the terrorism of today and so forth.

Next is dealing with the TV sitcom "Little Mosque on the Prairie" (about a Muslim community in small-town rural Canada which pokes fun at Muslim stereotypes and the paranoia that Islamic people are all terrorists). I showed him the first episode of the series and he thought it was pretty funny, but then his own personal paranoia came in. Once again, he stated that the show "has its own agenda" and wishes to show the Muslim community as normal people and so forth. Basically, he was kind of insinuating that the reality is the opposite of this depiction. He then went on to say one of the stupidest statements imaginable: he said shows like these in their own way "help the terrorists." In other words, shows that could help encourage cooperation, tolerance, understanding towards Muslims would help the terrorists' plans because the population at large would no longer be suspicious towards Muslims, so then the terrorists can go and carry out their plans and infiltrate and attack Western society because we all have our guard down. Something really ridiculous like that. :rolleyes:

I got so pissed off at this remark that I refused to talk to him for the rest of the evening. I shut the door and bid him good night.

I really don't know where the hell this verbal diarrhea comes from. I'd like to blame it on FOX News, but he doesn't watch that and he found them ridiculous.

That last remark was really the final straw for me and I don't know what to do about his warped vision. It almost makes me want to convert to Islam to piss him off or something. GAH! :mad:

Polly_Wog_Stew
03-04-2007, 04:40 AM
You can be pissed but your dad comes from a different generation...he views things different than you, and you can't change that....

DroppinScience
03-04-2007, 04:42 AM
You can be pissed but your dad comes from a different generation...he views things different than you, and you can't change that....

Yeah, but the thing is... for the life of me, I can't recall him saying/thinking any of this until post-9/11 though.

Polly_Wog_Stew
03-04-2007, 04:47 AM
I'm not saying that he doesn't like Islamics, but in his eyes the 9/11 attacks were performed by Islamics it gives him someone to be mad at for what happened...

DroppinScience
03-04-2007, 04:49 AM
And one other thing that doesn't add up: WW2 propaganda was very fierce in playing up how evil the Japanese were at that time, right? He's acutely conscious and sensitive of the fact that that bigotry and suspicion towards the Japanese-Americans/Canadians was wrong. Yet somehow he'll cast a similarly suspicious eye towards Muslims (albeit more nuanced, but it's there).

:confused:

Dorothy Wood
03-04-2007, 04:50 AM
wait, you live with your parents? heh.

my friend just told me like an hour ago that her parents love ann coulter and that her mom really respects dick cheney. she's pretty upset about the whole thing because like, NOBODY likes dick cheney! haha! :( parents.

DroppinScience
03-04-2007, 04:53 AM
my friend just told me like an hour ago that her parents love ann coulter and that her mom really respects dick cheney. she's pretty upset about the whole thing because like, NOBODY likes dick cheney! haha! :( parents.

Cheney AND Coulter? Somehow I'm feeling better. (y)

Polly_Wog_Stew
03-04-2007, 04:53 AM
I understand what you're saying, I know what I want to say but can't type it out, ya know?...I think that the US has their own secret propaganda department and they're the ones who glorify this in some way. I think its the news...

Polly_Wog_Stew
03-04-2007, 04:55 AM
Are you a Democrat or a Republican..?

Dorothy Wood
03-04-2007, 04:56 AM
Cheney AND Coulter? Somehow I'm feeling better. (y)

yeah, we had to have a hug because it's just hopeless really. like the two most evil people in america...her parents think are a-okay. it's scary. :(

g-mile7
03-04-2007, 04:58 AM
Just talk with him man and drop science on him...or have our mother talk sense ;)

DroppinScience
03-04-2007, 04:59 AM
Are you a Democrat or a Republican..?

Canadian here, so technically neither. ;)

If in the States, I'd be a Democrat, and I'm most certainly a liberal. My dad is more or less a fence-sitter when it comes to that. He's not a Bush fan though.

Polly_Wog_Stew
03-04-2007, 05:02 AM
Is Canada cool to live in?....and I'm liberal too...not a Bush fan as well....

DroppinScience
03-04-2007, 05:03 AM
Just talk with him man and drop science on him...or have our mother talk sense ;)

Haha! I'll se what i can do. ;)

ms.peachy
03-04-2007, 07:43 AM
I remember once in 2002, my mom said something like "I'm just so glad we have a strong leader like President Bush to help guide our country through these troubled times." I couldn't even think how to respond to that, as I was too busy trying to pick my jaw up from off the floor. (Bear in mind that my mother was, when I was a kid, a big hippie who refused to let me own a barbie doll, took us on No Nukes marches, and didn't allow soda in our house because it was 'too artificial'.) I just stood there staring at her, trying to figure out who the hell this pod person was that had invaded my mother's body.

I think it came from having moved to the Midwest. Fortunately she kinda came to her senses before she died.

QueenAdrock
03-04-2007, 09:47 AM
Peachy, I think post 9/11 stuff has made everyone a little crazy. I admit, on 9/12, even though I hated Bush, when I saw him making speeches and it looked like he was actually going to lead and put his foot down I got a sense of relief and thought "Maybe things are going to be okay." You can try to convince yourself of anything, really.

Anyways, it's hard to convince parents of anything. If he's got this notion that Muslims have an agenda, I agree he's probably seen one too many sensationalistic news pieces and probably just needs to be dragged to a Canadian mosque so he can see for himself that they're peaceful people and like anyone else. The agenda thing is silly because chances are the TV show and movie weren't created by terrorist sympathizers. The producers and writers weren't thinking "Hey, let's go ahead and make this movie and pull the wool over everyone's eyes so we can send our boys out worry-free" they probably thought "This bullshit of being stereotyped and shat on needs to be over, let's put ourself in a good light." There's a huge difference.

Also, he should know the difference between Muslims and terrorists, though quite a few people have a hard time differientiating between the two. He watched Breach with us, bring up that; Hansen was a "true-blue" American and he sold what, $50 billion worth of secrets to the Russians and compromised 50 people's positions and ended up being the cause for 3 certified deaths? No one suspected him because he was an old Catholic white boy, who was therefore definitely on our side...wrong. You can't racially profile because it doesn't work. Anyone can be a terrorist, anyone can sell secrets to the Russians, Breach proved that. Tim McVeigh, Ted Bundy, all people who went under the radar because they didn't fit the right profile. Yet we don't have ANY "guard up" for them. Why not? Why aren't we suspicious of those people?

Tell your pops that he's racial profiling. And racial profiling doesn't work because anyone can do anything nowadays, regardless of race, religion, or ethnicity, and you have to be suspicious of everyone or no one.

roosta
03-04-2007, 09:51 AM
well...did your dad ever fly planes into buildings? DID HE?

Lyman Zerga
03-04-2007, 10:03 AM
maybe your mum should give better head

DroppinScience
03-04-2007, 02:23 PM
maybe your mum should give better head

Uh, they're divorced. Gross. :(

cosmo105
03-04-2007, 02:30 PM
toward the end of his life my dad started leaning more to the right and saying really homophobic and racist remarks about everyone. as he got older he just got more and more conservative. i remember him once saying i couldn't go to lilith fair with my friend because it was all dykes, and sarah mclachlan was one of them. i said, uh, actually she's married, and he wouldn't believe me. i remember him once getting into some legal trouble at work for allegedly saying some racist remarks about a nigerian dude he managed...he swore he didn't say it, but nobody really believed him. it was weird. :confused:

my mom, on the other hand, is about as liberal as a baby boomer can get and she rules. she volunteers for moveon.org, is involved in the sierra club and is totally awesome. :cool:

Lyman Zerga
03-04-2007, 08:18 PM
Uh, they're divorced. Gross. :(

and now you know the reason why :(

Dorothy Wood
03-04-2007, 08:35 PM
christ, I just talked to my mom earlier about this kid I like in a platonic or perhaps romantic way (we shall see) from the internet and she was asking what he looked like and I said he looks sort of eastern european...maybe croatian, maybe part asian, black hair, thicker eye brows...whatever, something vaguely "ethnic". and she said, "he's not a suicide bomber, is he?" and I was like, "uhh, mom, you're a racist." and she was like, "no no, I'm just kidding, I'm on cold medication, I'm all messed up." and I said, "uh, okay mel gibson".

she was pretty groggy. she couldn't remember cort's name for a second and she kept asking me stupid questions. I think that hot arizona sun has baked her brain.

edit: she was also really suspicious of me meeting someone on the internet and wanted to know how (myspace, which I didn't tell her because I never ever want her to see my profile) and why and yadda yadda....but, she met her last husband AND her current boyfriend on the internet! and I dated someone I met on the internet for a bit 5 years ago and she didn't think it was weird at all. also my dad has black hair and dark skin! he's a spaniard for fuck's sake!

Loppfessor
03-04-2007, 10:54 PM
You gotta be kidding me....DS get a hobby or something

QueenAdrock
03-04-2007, 11:33 PM
^That doesn't even make sense.

Dorothy Wood
03-05-2007, 01:09 AM
loppfessor is actually brett's dad. surprise everyone!