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D_Raay
04-12-2007, 11:17 PM
I know we haven't really touched on this here, and the media coverage is akin to the Anna Nicole Smith coverage, but I just can't get around the singling out of this guy.

I don't listen to him regularly, and what he is reported to have said -both now and in the past- is certainly crossing alot of lines. However, I myself have been exposed to some equally flammatory remarks.

For example:

Glen Beck- On the March 21 broadcast of his nationally syndicated radio show, The Glenn Beck Program, Beck called Rosie O'Donnell, co-host of ABC's The View, a "fat witch," claimed that O'Donnell has "blubber ... just pouring out of her eyes," and asked, "Do you know how many oil lamps we could keep burning just on Rosie O'Donnell fat?" On the March 23 edition of his radio show, Beck said, "I'm a little ashamed" for calling O'Donnell "a fat witch" -- then added, "But she's so fat."

On the November 14, 2006, edition of his CNN Headline News program, Beck said to Rep. Keith Ellison (D-MN), the first Muslim ever elected to Congress: "OK. No offense, and I know Muslims. I like Muslims. ... With that being said, you are a Democrat. You are saying, 'Let's cut and run.' And I have to tell you, I have been nervous about this interview with you, because what I feel like saying is, 'Sir, prove to me that you are not working with our enemies.' "

On the September 9, 2005, edition of his radio show, Beck referred to survivors of Hurricane Katrina who remained in New Orleans as "scumbags." Also, after acknowledging that nobody "in their right mind is going to say this out loud," Beck attacked victims of the disaster and the families of victims of the September 11, 2001, terrorist attacks, saying: "I didn't think I could hate victims faster than the 9-11 victims."

Neal Boortz- On the August 3, 2006, edition of his nationally syndicated radio show, Neal Boortz asked his audience: "I want you to think for think for a moment of how incompetent and stupid and worthless, how -- that's right, I used those words -- how incompetent, how ignorant, how worthless is an adult that can't earn more than the minimum wage? You have to really, really, really be a pretty pathetic human being to not be able to earn more than the human wage. Uh -- human, the minimum wage."

On the July 19, 2006, edition of his radio show, Cox Radio Syndication's The Neal Boortz Show, Boortz claimed that "at its core," Islam is a "violent, violent religion," and said, "[T]his Muhammad guy is just a phony rag-picker." Boortz asserted that "[i]t is perfectly legitimate, perhaps even praiseworthy, to recognize Islam as a religion of vicious, violent, bloodthirsty cretins."

In a December 12, 2005, weblog post, Boortz predicted that California Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger (R) would commute the sentence of convicted murderer Stanley "Tookie" Williams to life imprisonment because "Schwarzenegger knows full well that as soon as Tookie's death is announced there will be riots in South Central Los Angeles and elsewhere." Boortz wrote that "[t]here are thugs just waiting for an excuse ... not a reason, an excuse" and explained that "[t]he rioting, of course, will lead to wide-scale looting." Boortz added: "There are a lot of aspiring rappers and NBA superstars who could really use a nice flat-screen television right now."

Rush Limbaugh- On the March 2 broadcast on his nationally syndicated radio show, Premiere Radio Networks' The Rush Limbaugh Show, Rush Limbaugh stated that "since [Sen. Barack] Obama [D-IL] has -- on his mother's side -- forebears of his mother had slaves, could we not say that if Obama wins the Democratic nomination and then wins the presidency, he will own [Rev.] Al Sharpton?"

On the August 23, 2006, broadcast of his radio program, Limbaugh commented on a season of CBS' reality TV program Survivor in which contestants were originally divided into competing "tribes" by ethnicity. Limbaugh stated that the contest was "not going to be fair if there's a lot of water events" and suggested that "blacks can't swim." Limbaugh stated that "our early money" is on "the Hispanic tribe" -- which he said could include "a Cuban," "a Nicaraguan," or "a Mexican or two" -- provided they don't "start fighting for supremacy amongst themselves." Limbaugh added that Hispanics have "probably shown the most survival tactics," that they "have shown a remarkable ability to cross borders," and that they can "do it without water for a long time, they don't get apprehended, and they will do things other people won't do." When the Survivor producers decided to dissolve the show's racially segregated "tribes" after only two episodes, Limbaugh declared that "[t]here can only be one reason for this ... that is the white tribe had to be winning."

On the March 1, 2005, edition of his nationally syndicated radio show, Limbaugh claimed that "[w]omen still live longer than men because their lives are easier."

I could go on for a while with this. The point is Imus should not have been singled out here. And what precedent does this set? Can we now go get rid of Limbaugh, Coulter, Beck, and others?

JobDDT
04-13-2007, 02:27 AM
He was singled out because it was a fad news story that race baiters like Al Sharpton decided to slurp up like slop in a pig pen.

Where is Al Sharpton's apology to the Duke players who he ranted and yelled and raved and screamed about, who were cleared of ALL charges just days ago?

EN[i]GMA
04-13-2007, 09:49 AM
I don't even know what the justification is for going after a 'shock jock' for saying something 'shocking'. Doesn't that mean he's doing his job?

How can a culture on the one hand readily consume this filth and yet, on the other hand manufacture some nonsense outrage at it? It's not like Imus, Stern, et al are 'underground' or something, they're as mainstream as can be (for some inexplicable reason.) So where does the blame ultimately lie? As always, with our sorry culture and consumer society.

Schmeltz
04-13-2007, 11:34 AM
How can a culture on the one hand readily consume this filth and yet, on the other hand manufacture some nonsense outrage at it?


That's the whole issue right there. It's like those fifth-graders who had group sex in front of their classmates a couple of weeks ago - they're bombarded virtually every second of the day with sex-drenched mass media, and then when they do what kids do and emulate the culture all around them suddenly it's a horrific and appalling social transgression and everybody's shaking heads and wagging fingers. North American culture is fucked up and individualism and "freedom" have been hyperextenuated to the point where nobody's sure about the exact direction of social sanctions and taboos, and people's increasingly poorly informed personal choices are the only guidelines as to what constitutes acceptable behaviour.

This, it seems to me, is a major problem that will contribute to nearly unprecedented cultural crises further down the road. I say nearly because I can still think of one historical example that approximates this sort of cultural breakdown, which is the very later Roman Empire. And we all know how that ended.

abcdefz
04-13-2007, 11:43 AM
Fifth graders have sex as a sign of their empowerment. Da Man is just trying to keep them down.

EN[i]GMA
04-13-2007, 01:37 PM
That's the whole issue right there. It's like those fifth-graders who had group sex in front of their classmates a couple of weeks ago - they're bombarded virtually every second of the day with sex-drenched mass media, and then when they do what kids do and emulate the culture all around them suddenly it's a horrific and appalling social transgression and everybody's shaking heads and wagging fingers. North American culture is fucked up and individualism and "freedom" have been hyperextenuated to the point where nobody's sure about the exact direction of social sanctions and taboos, and people's increasingly poorly informed personal choices are the only guidelines as to what constitutes acceptable behaviour.

It's almost like an arms race to nihilism. What, as a people, do we stand for anymore? What do our cultural icons represent? Vanity, money, and ostentation, not necessarily in that order. What are our politics now? "All politicians are the same", "Whoever isn't in power is better" or "Who cares?"?

It's almost like the evolution, the way peacocks waste so much energy making bushy tails just to prove to mates that they can afford all the extra calories. That's our society. "Look, I can piss away money because I have it." "Look, I can treat people like shit because I'm powerful." "I don't have any emotional ties because I don't need them."

yeahwho
04-13-2007, 03:32 PM
And every time we as a society empower stories of such real insignificance the mechanizations of our egotistical existence continue to ignore the byproduct (http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/WFP/025e0add994a81ed5963a5b513fbca4f.htm). I think what this really is about are how extremely outraged we are at ourselves.


Wayne Brady (http://www.ifilm.com/video/2795972) is a perfect example, for years he successfully carved out a squeaky clean personal public image and career through his various family-friendly projects and roles. I guess it all became too much for Wayne and one day he just snapped.

yeahwho
04-16-2007, 06:01 PM
Sort of off topic, but way to coincidental, Different Don, Different Ho (http://www.nytimes.com/2007/04/16/arts/16ho.html?_r=1&oref=slogin).

eerie shit watson

DroppinScience
04-17-2007, 12:44 AM
As far as I'm concerned, good riddance to Imus.

If Glenn Beck and Rush Limbaugh can go, I'd love that too!