US is leaving Iraq!

[SobaViolence]

WASHINGTON - Senate majority leader Harry Reid said yesterday that the war in Iraq is ‘‘lost,” triggering an angry backlash from Republicans who said the top Democrat had turned his back on the troops.0420 01The bleak assessment, the sharpest yet from Reid, came as the House voted 215 to 199 to uphold leglislation ordering troops out of Iraq next year. Reid said he told Bush on Wednesday that he thought the war could not be won through military force, but only through political, economic, and diplomatic means.

Soon...but not soon enough (http://www.commondreams.org/archive/2007/04/20/642/)

[QueenAdrock]

I wouldn't be so hasty with that title, Soba. Anything Bush doesn't agree with regarding the war, he'll veto. And there won't be enough votes to overturn a veto, since they need 2/3.

I hope they come back soon, but I doubt they will.

[kaiser soze]

highly doubt it....they are building the biggest "embassy" in the world

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/iraq/article712424.ece

plus they're planning on building a big wall.....I wonder if it's from the concrete left in Berlin?

http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/world/la-fg-wall20apr20,0,5085656.story?coll=la-home-headlines

Now that's Freedom on the March!

[Ali]

Another US Soldier leaves Iraq. (http://www.ocregister.com/newsimages/news/2007/04/24marine1_md.jpg)

[sam i am]

We all know nothing will measurably change until Bush is out of office.

Perish the thought that crazy John McCain wins the White House.

I'd vote for Obama before McCrazy.

Even Obama is smart enough to realize the US can't leave without making things somewhat better (at a minimum) than they are now.

[QueenAdrock]

But McCain told us that Iraq is really safe now. I mean, he was surrounded by heavily armed vehicles and twice the amount of Secret Service during that press conference just to show us how safe it is. Why, I bet you could take a family picnic in Fallujah if you really wanted to.

McCain is living in a silly little world. And it's interesting to me how he can say a few months ago that simply committing 21,000 more troops would be too little too late, but now he's saying their strategy in Iraq is working. I'd like to know how it's working, and if it's working, why can't we set up a timetable for withdrawing some troops? Like "If things keep going as well as they are now, we'll be out of there by September 2008," or something. I mean, can't intelligence gauge that kind of thing? The only way I can see us NOT knowing when we'd be out of there was if it was a shitstorm of insurgency and civil wars breaking out and we're struggling for control of the country, but McCain has assured us that's not the case.

[DroppinScience]

If Bush vetos all the anti-war legislation, he's gonna make sure no Republican gets the White House for the next 20 years. (y)

[Ali]

October 2007, isn't it?

[sam i am]

It ain't gonna happen.

Bush will veto it.

The Dems will come up with another bill sans the deadline...more likely a "guideline" with no "hard" dates, but rather "soft" benchmarks.

Both sides will claim victory and the US (with it's few remaining coalition partners) will be out when the next Prez after Bush takes office.

Bank it.

[Schmeltz]

^Yep, once two thousand more Americans and countless thousands more Iraqis have died for no reason whatsoever in the most hideously bungled foreign policy misstep in American history.

[Ali]

It ain't gonna happen.

Bush will veto it.Ahhh. Smell the Democracy. ALL HAIL EMPEROR BUSH (batteries not included).

[sam i am]

If Bush vetos all the anti-war legislation, he's gonna make sure no Republican gets the White House for the next 20 years. (y)

That's wishful thinking at best.

Bush will allow for "benchmarks" but not set timetables.

The Demos will cave, as usual.

Harry Reid will crawl back to Searchlight with his tail between his legs....slouching towards the desert.

Republicans will back in charge of the House/Senate in 2010 if Hillary gets the White House.

[sam i am]

Ahhh. Smell the Democracy. ALL HAIL EMPEROR BUSH (batteries not included).

Do you not know about the veto power?

I'd be willing to bet a fortune that you'd support a "Liberal" American President wielding his/her veto power to block legislation to outlaw abortions from a Conservative Congress, but you wince at the opposite?

Hypocrite :-)

[sam i am]

^Yep, once two thousand more Americans and countless thousands more Iraqis have died for no reason whatsoever in the most hideously bungled foreign policy misstep in American history.

I'll go out on a limb here with you, Schmeltz, and state that you would rather not see either more Americans nor more Iraqis dead.

However, the casualties incurred, I predict, will be far less (at least American) deaths and doubtlessly more Iraqi deaths if the US withdrew under the "deadlines."

[Schmeltz]

I'll go out on a limb here with you, Schmeltz, and state that you would rather not see either more Americans nor more Iraqis dead.

However, the casualties incurred, I predict, will be far less (at least American) deaths and doubtlessly more Iraqi deaths if the US withdrew under the "deadlines."

You are correct, I would rather see no more of either. But at this point it seems like it doesn't matter if your troops withdraw in a month or in a century; the damage your dimwitted fool of a President has done, the appalling horror he has unleashed upon the world through his idiotic bumbling in the Middle East, will afflict humanity for generations all the same. And we have people like you to thank for that.

[sam i am]

You are correct, I would rather see no more of either. But at this point it seems like it doesn't matter if your troops withdraw in a month or in a century; the damage your dimwitted fool of a President has done, the appalling horror he has unleashed upon the world through his idiotic bumbling in the Middle East, will afflict humanity for generations all the same. And we have people like you to thank for that.


Not just me, but everybody in the "coalition of the willing," the Democrats in the US House and Senate who voted top authorize the use of force AFTER seeing the EXACT same EVIDENCE that the Bush White House did, all of the Iraqi exiles who pushed for US intervention when Sadaam was still in power, etc., et al.

BTW, BOTH Hillary and John Edwards (aka the "Breck Girl") voted to give Bush the power and funds to wage war. Hillary has continued to vote to fund the war.

Guess you have no dogs to back in the US, eh?

[yeahwho]

Now now you two, take sometime and reflect....it's the 4th anniversary of "Mistake Accomplished"

[Schmeltz]

Guess you have no dogs to back in the US, eh?


I do not, and I say it with pride.

[QueenAdrock]

Obama FTW. (y)

And Sam, more evidence is coming out that the Bush administration manipulated evidence to get support for the war. So while they saw the same "evidence" one party knew it was faulty or exaggerated, while the other were simple pawns.

[Ali]

Do you not know about the veto power?

I'd be willing to bet a fortune that you'd support a "Liberal" American President wielding his/her veto power to block legislation to outlaw abortions from a Conservative Congress, but you wince at the opposite?

Hypocrite :-)
Rather that than Bush using his veto to sacrifice more American lives to save his face.

As for hypocrisy. Are you happy with the current conservative government in Iran, or would you prefer somebody more liberal?

[QueenAdrock]

If the hypothetical Conservative Congress was elected the November before by voters who were specifically upset with the current abortion policies and wanted to see a change and the Liberal president decided to veto the legislation brought forth, I'd think that'd be pretty shitty. The American public voiced their discontent with the current handling of the war and stated they want a change, thus all the Democrats picking up House and Senate seats last year. It's a slap in the face to have President Bush go against what majority of the people in this country want (http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/03/28/opinion/polls/main2619034.shtml) because of his own selfish purposes. What ever happened of a government of the people, by the people, for the people? I guess that's only when people agree with you.

[Carlos]

highly doubt it....they are building the biggest "embassy" in the world

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/iraq/article712424.ece


makes you sick :mad: