Greatest Indie Anthems...

[Parkey]

NME have done one of their utterly arbitary lists - this time on the 'Greatest Indie Anthems... EVEV!'. In my opinion it's a bag of shite, but here it is anyway;

1. Oasis - 'Live Forever'
2. Nirvana - 'Smells Like Teen Spirit'
3. Pulp - 'Common People'
4. The Smiths - 'There Is A Light That Never Goes Out'
5. The Libertines - 'Don't Look Back Into The Sun'
6. The Libertines - 'Time For Heroes'
7. The Smiths - 'How Soon Is Now?'
8. The Stone Roses - 'I Am The Resurrection'
9 The Strokes - 'Last Nite'
10 Arctic Monkeys - 'I Bet You Look Good On The Dancefloor'
11. The Smiths - 'This Charming Man'
12. The Stone Roses - 'She Bangs The Drums'
13. The Libertines - 'Can't Stand Me Now'
14. Oasis - 'Don't Look Back In Anger'
15. Blur - 'Song 2'
16. Franz Ferdinand - 'Take Me Out'
17. The Stone Roses - 'I Wanna Be Adored'
18. The Verve - 'Bitter Sweet Symphony'
19. Joy Divison - 'Love Will Tear Us Apart'
20. Joy Division - 'Transmission'
21. The Smiths - 'Panic'
22. The Breeders - 'Cannonball'
23. The Gossip - 'Standing In The Way Of Control'
24. Babyshambles - 'Fuck Forever'
25. Oasis - 'Supersonic'
26. Radiohead - 'Creep'
27. Oasis -' Wonderwall'
28. Pavement - 'Cut Your Hair'
29. Arcade Fire - 'Rebellion (Lies)'
30. Manic Street Preachers - 'A Design For Life'
31 Oasis - 'Cigarettes & Alcohol'
32 The Stone Roses - 'Fool's Gold'
33 The Killers - 'Mr Brightside'
34 Radiohead - 'Just'
35 Pixies - 'Monkey Gone To Heaven'
36 Kaiser Chiefs - 'I Predict A Riot'
37 Kasabian - 'LSF'
38 Pixies - 'Gigantic'
39 Oasis - 'Champagne Supernova'
40 Klaxons - 'Golden Skans'
41 Blur - 'Parklife'
42 The Cribs - 'Hey Scenesters'
43 Suede - 'Animal Nitrate'
44 The Stone Roses - 'Love Spreads'
45 The La's - 'There She Goes'
46 Dinosaur Jr - 'Freak Scene'
47 The Libertines - 'Up The Bracket'
48 Sonic Youth - 'Bull In The Heather'
49 The Rapture - 'House Of Jealous Lovers'
50 My Bloody Valentine - 'You Made Me Realise'

Twats.

[afronaut]

Errrr, if there is any song that outright defines "indie anthem," that song is Where Is My Mind. You can't make a list about indie anthems without that song being number one. And it wasnt even mentioned! and hold on, they put Bull in the Heather, but no Teenage Riot?


See, this is what I hate about british music magazines. They load all their lists and shit with their complete crap britpop and britpop influenced bands.


Pete Doherty must be giving the editors at NME a discount on blow.

[saz]

i don't know why people even bother with these lists. we're all going to disagree with them, and we all know that these 'writers', or 'journalists' from the nme don't know shit. i was pleasantly surprised though when i saw the list though. given the title of the thread, i thought it was gonna be interpol this, bloc party that, et al.

[DroppinScience]

It's a tad too Brit-centric (honestly now, Oasis as #1 "indie anthem"? WTF?).

I dunno, if they REALLY wanna have "indie anthems" where's Jesus & Mary Chain, Beat Happening, the Dischord Records bands (Fugazi, Minor Threat, Rites of Spring), Meat Puppets, Velvet Underground, et al.

[Caribou]

Come on people, this is the NME we're talking about. When did they ever have a valuable opinion on music?
It's just a list og the greatest hits of the bands they mention in every single issue. Libertines are in there 4 times. So are the Klaxons with a song that's only just been released. (How many weeks before a song becomes an 'anthem' anyway?)

I'm really surprised there arn't more Arctic Monkeys songs in there, because they were the saviours of british music and were on every cover and you got huge posters on which you could count all of Alex Turner's spots and oh he's so young and gifted blahblah....

Yeah anyway, It took me only 3 times reading to realise NME was hypey poop and I would never waste my money on it again.

[Documad]

I enjoy lists as a rule. They're disposable but you get to bitch and once in a while they remind you of a good song you forgot.

But why are the british music magazines always obsessed with lists? Q is nothing but lists.

[Dans Boutique]

These type of lists do my head in - NME are a joke these days and are influenced by "knee jerk" flavour of the month voting. Joy Division lower than the Libertines??? :mad: This alone proves the futility of pointless lists like this.

Where are the Pixies / The Cure / A Certain Ratio / The Happy Mondays??? to name a few.............

[Parkey]

It made the BBC (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/6623715.stm).

[Dans Boutique]

It made the BBC (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/6623715.stm).

John Cravens Newsround......?

[Parkey]

John Cravens Newsround......?
Ha! Dexter Fletcher's Press Gang actually...

[sercomdj01]

the NME is for kids isn't it. lol.

[camo]

I can't believe that NME cover the Gallows.

Don't spoil my fave band you fucking cunting twats.

[abcdefz]

By posting their list, the terrorists have already won.

[dave790]

Live Forever's a tune. Should be, and generally is, in many postive music lists.

[afronaut]

no "indie anthem" list can be credible if it has the libertines, the babyshambles, arctic monkeys, and the kaiser chiefs and omits where is my mind, teenage riot, i wanna destroy you by the soft boys, and totally wired by the fall. i mean, we all know nme is complete trash, but i find this list to be extra perplexing.

[Parkey]

I think it was voted for by the readers. A bunch of twats with haircuts they downloaded off the internet...

[afronaut]

Well, this is a perfect example of why democracy is no good.

[pshabi]

Can someone define "indie" for me please.

Srsly.

[saz]

a band or artist that is signed to an independent record label. however there are kids out there who think it is actually a particular genre of rock.

[King of Rock $]

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[DroppinScience]

Can someone define "indie" for me please.

Srsly.

It has evolving "definitions" all the time, but it's supposed to be more of an ethic, than a particular distinct style (though a "style" of sorts has emerged, like it or not).

Anyways, lemma bust out the AllMusic.com definition:

Indie rock takes its name from "independent," which describes both the do-it-yourself attitudes of its bands and the small, lower-budget nature of the labels that release the music. The biggest indie labels might strike distribution deals with major corporate labels, but their decision-making processes remain autonomous. As such, indie rock is free to explore sounds, emotions, and lyrical subjects that don't appeal to large, mainstream audiences -- profit isn't as much of a concern as personal taste (though the labels do, after all, want to stay in business). It's very much rooted in the sound and sensibility of American underground and alternative rock of the '80s, albeit with a few differences that account for the changes in underground rock since then. In the sense that the term is most widely used, indie rock truly separated itself from alternative rock around the time that Nirvana hit the mainstream. Mainstream tastes gradually reshaped alternative into a new form of serious-minded hard rock, in the process making it more predictable and testosterone-driven. Indie rock was a reaction against that phenomenon; not all strains of alternative rock crossed over in Nirvana's wake, and not all of them wanted to, either. Yet while indie rock definitely shares the punk community's concerns about commercialism, it isn't as particular about whether bands remain independent or "sell out"; the general assumption is that it's virtually impossible to make indie rock's varying musical approaches compatible with mainstream tastes in the first place. There are almost as many reasons for that incompatibility as there are indie-rock bands, but following are some of the most common: the music may be too whimsical and innocent; too weird; too sensitive and melancholy; too soft and delicate; too dreamy and hypnotic; too personal and intimately revealing in its lyrics; too low-fidelity and low-budget in its production; too angular in its melodies and riffs; too raw, skronky and abrasive; wrapped in too many sheets of Sonic Youth/Dinosaur Jr./Pixies/Jesus & Mary Chain-style guitar noise; too oblique and fractured in its song structures; too influenced by experimental or otherwise unpopular musical styles. Regardless of the specifics, it's rock made by and for outsiders -- much like alternative once was, except that thanks to its crossover, indie rock has a far greater wariness of excess testosterone. It's certainly not that indie rock is never visceral or powerful; it's just rarely -- if ever -- macho about it. As the '90s wore on, indie rock developed quite a few substyles and close cousins (indie pop, dream pop, noise-pop, lo-fi, math rock, post-rock, space rock, sadcore, and emo among them), all of which seemed poised to remain strictly underground phenomena.

So yeah, have at it.

[yeahwho]

How does somebody actually get make a living making such a shoddy list. Just off the top of my head I can come up three songs that kill "Live Forever"

What about these songs........

Undertones "Teenage Kicks"

Elvis Costello "Welcome to the Working Week"

All the teenage angst seems a tad manufactured on some of those songs, if your going to that, add some death rock.

The Shangri-Las "Leader of the Pack (http://www.minibite.com/oldies/leaderofpack.htm)" (1964....rumored that a motorcycle was brought into the hall just outside the recording studio, and the sound of its revving engine was incorporated into the mix.)

[EN[i]GMA]

Shit, now that you bring it up, 'Teenage Kicks' beats the hell out of nearly every song on there.

[camo]

how about jj72 - snow?