Cindy Sheehan 'resigns'

[SobaViolence]

The most devastating conclusion that I reached this morning, however, was that Casey[her son] did indeed die for nothing [in Iraq].

it's always your own people...

Daily Kos (http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2007/5/28/12530/1525)

[abcdefz]

That speech she made was pretty blindly arrogant.

[Carlos]

That speech she made was pretty blindly arrogant.

little harsh dude...

She evidently has sacrificed a great deal, and even though I am in no way her biggest supporter, I feel she deservees respect and a fucking medal of honour for taking on the bush empire. Especially if she nearly died last yr...

I wouldn't be surprised if this had a tiny fraction to do with her resignation from the 'anti-war' movement too....

http://911blogger.com/node/9068

the anti-war/facist left are no better than the facist right when it comes to dismissing out of hand the blatently abundant evidence that Bush and the boys knew full well the threat, but did nothing.. Or even worse... (i know i know... weve been ove this one a lot)..... I am not trying to convice anyone in this thread, just pointing to the fact that Sindy is now openly questioning that fateful day too - somehting she could not have done at any anti-war rally - as the 'controllers' of the movement will not allow such 'dissent'...

obviously she is just another crazy retarded attention seeking whore though :rolleyes:...

[abcdefz]

Her rallies were drawing less and less people; that's the basic reason. Less attention.

So she says she's no longer in love with America and "no matter how much I sacrifice, I can't make you be the America I want you to be" or some such shit.

That's awfully arrogant, and also hardly the stuff of martyrdom. Hell, America has NEVER been what it was supposed to be from conception; pretty fucking naive of Sheehan to think she can change things around to her vision in a few years of publicity stunts, exploitation, and self-righteousness.

If she's getting frail, fine -- build a cabin on the piece of land and leave it for protests. There's plenty more to rail at the President about than just this one (however large) cause.

[yeahwho]

War Machine 1
Cindy Sheehan 0

Casey Sheehan has a Great Mom he can be damn proud of.

[abcdefz]

Right. A woman who, in her grief, estranges her husband, abandons her living children, and whose actions prompt her other relatives to release a statement saying that she is exploiting her son's death for her own gain... thinks Hurricane Katrina is "a little wind and rain." ...yeah. Lot to be proud of.

[saz]

the anti-war/facist left are no better than the facist right when it comes to dismissing out of hand the blatently abundant evidence that Bush and the boys knew full well the threat, but did nothing..

"the anti-war/fascist left"?

what are you talking about? there is hardly a left-wing in america, if there is one at all. the only really true left in america is dennis kucinich, ralph nader, and bernie sanders. "the fascist left"? that makes no sense whatsoever.

[BangkokB]

Damn A-Z
Lots of hate on that. I see a woman that lost her son in an unjust war that is mad as hell about why did he die in an unjust war

She shouldn't have been in a picture with Hugo Chavez. That was the career killer for her

[EN[i]GMA]

Appeal to emotion is a logical fallacy.

I think that frames the whole Sheehan debate nicely.

[abcdefz]

Cindy Sheehan is the Rosie O'Donnell of protesters.

[abcdefz]

Damn A-Z
Lots of hate on that. I see a woman that lost her son in an unjust war that is mad as hell about why did he die in an unjust war





Compare and contrast with how the Tillman family is going about it. Those folks have class, and they're getting the job done.

[Carlos]

"the anti-war/fascist left"?

what are you talking about? there is hardly a left-wing in america, if there is one at all. the only really true left in america is dennis kucinich, ralph nader, and bernie sanders. "the fascist left"? that makes no sense whatsoever.

I wasn't exclsuively talking about about the US - there is such a thing called the WORLD ;)

I'm from the UK and we do have extremist left wingers, just like there are extremist right wingers.. even though the lefties are far less offensive than nazi like facism of bush's right wing brigade.. but still not open for anything other than their own mindset.

the likes of Chomsky, and Monbiot - who i respect for his anti-war and to an extent environmentalist stances. But his aticles on 911 hysteria are verging on idiocy and definitely show ignorance of the facts.

[yeahwho]

So losing your son in a war based on a mistake that continues to kill at more elevated levels should be a message to parents,

Shut the fuck up we're busy spreading hate and discontent on a level that's going to destroy all diplomatic peaceful life for those relatives left alive, so please Shut the fuck up and let the slaughter continue.

She is not the "Whore" in this battle. She may have been propped up by the peace movement, so what?

Logic? Where is the logic in any of the Iraq War? The architect of this war is peddling a book on the corporate owned media system with his $4 million dollar advance, that is the logic. Twisted logic is the norm.

[yeahwho]

Compare and contrast with how the Tillman family is going about it. Those folks have class, and they're getting the job done.

One (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pat_Tillman) was friendly fire twisted into heroism, the other (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casey_Sheehan)was killed in action after volunteering as part of a Quick Reaction Force to rescue American troops.

Two different wars, two different countries, two completely different justifications used to invade.

Cindy Sheehan is in a different situation, having class, composure, finesse, or whatever is not part of the equation for a grieving parent....she was drawing attention to the fact that 56,000,000 voters did not agree with this Iraq War when she started her quest.

Now that number has jumped since 2005 (http://www.pollingreport.com/iraq.htm), 72% of the country now disagrees with Bush's handling of the Iraq War, 86,000,000 US voters.

She isn't really all that messed up in her thinking or ideology. Get mad at the people who created her situation, her dilemma, it's healthier.

[EN[i]GMA]

So losing your son in a war based on a mistake that continues to kill at more elevated levels should be a message to parents,

Why? Parents don't make the decision to join the military for their children, the children themselves have to sign up and do it.

Did her son support the war in Iraq? I don't actually know, but I think you could pick up on the obvious irony if he did.

That alone would destroy her credibility, in my mind.


Shut the fuck up we're busy spreading hate and discontent on a level that's going to destroy all diplomatic peaceful life for those relatives left alive, so please Shut the fuck up and let the slaughter continue.

You don't need to lose a son to oppose the war. The two things have NOTHING to do with one another. The idea that they do is that same pernicious fallacy trotted out again.

She is NOT an authority because she lost her son. Period. It's nothing but the basest attempt at emotional appeal, and I simply will not stand for it. There are numerous, numerous intellectuals who oppose the war for all the right reasons. Give them publicity. Make them figureheads.

Though really it isn't all her fault, the media is largely to blame, as always.


She is not the "Whore" in this battle. She may have been propped up by the peace movement, so what?

She had a position of fame that she did not really deserve.

That's my problem. What entitled her to constant news coverage, to countless interviews, a pulpit to much of the nation? A barefaced appeal to emotion.


Logic? Where is the logic in any of the Iraq War? The architect of this war is peddling a book on the corporate owned media system with his $4 million dollar advance, that is the logic. Twisted logic is the norm.

So the way to defeat ham-fisted patriotic rhetoric is ham-fisted emotional rhetoric?

[Bob]

"the anti-war/fascist left"?

what are you talking about? there is hardly a left-wing in america, if there is one at all. the only really true left in america is dennis kucinich, ralph nader, and bernie sanders. "the fascist left"? that makes no sense whatsoever.

i thought he meant "anti-war, anti-fascist left", the / was meant to separate the two things that the left are meant to be anti...i think, i dunno

[Documad]

Wow, that statement in the Daily Kos was a huge mistake. I'm sure that she is frustrated, and with good reason, but it appears that she's lost it. I agree with A to Z -- she comes across as a bitch. Many people supported her and she owes it to them to exit with some class.

She's always been humorless, and I understand why. But you can't hold national attention forever if you're humorless.

It does amuse me that she seems surprised to learn that the other peaceniks had an agenda. The most frustrating people at political events are the single-issue advocates for peace.

Hopefully, she will truly go back to a quiet life, and hopefully she will avoid future contacts with quasi-dictactors and with 9/11 conspiracy nuts.

[yeahwho]

You guys must of read alot more into Cindy Sheehan than I ever did. I do not believe she ever hired a publicist to package her into the classy lady you all yearn for, but now you all can rejoice in happiness, she's left the limelight.


Unfortunately the folks in the current administration who tried to demonize her will still be here, Fred Barnes of Fox News and the Weekly Standard called her a "crackpot"; Ann Coulter called her a "C-list celebrity trolling for a book deal or a reality show" - only won her allies. And it wasn't just Democrats who rallied to her. Matthew Dowd, a chief strategist of the Bush re-election victory in 2004, has since abandoned his support for the president, saying that a critical moment in his conversion was Bush's refusal to meet with Sheehan that summer.

"I had finally come to the conclusion that maybe all these things along do add up. That it's not the same, it's not the person I thought," he said of Bush.

So all of you smug classy people can feel much more comfortable knowing that Cindy Sheehan will be gone.

Bush and Fox go on and on and on and on and on.....

[yeahwho]

GMA;1471371']Why? Parents don't make the decision to join the military for their children, the children themselves have to sign up and do it.

Did her son support the war in Iraq? I don't actually know, but I think you could pick up on the obvious irony if he did.

That alone would destroy her credibility, in my mind.

All she wanted was a conversation with the Man who sent her son to war, an unjust war to die. That draws attention.



You don't need to lose a son to oppose the war. The two things have NOTHING to do with one another. The idea that they do is that same pernicious fallacy trotted out again.

She is NOT an authority because she lost her son. Period. It's nothing but the basest attempt at emotional appeal, and I simply will not stand for it. There are numerous, numerous intellectuals who oppose the war for all the right reasons. Give them publicity. Make them figureheads.

Though really it isn't all her fault, the media is largely to blame, as always.

Grassroot movements begin with real people and real situations, intellectualism and Bush is like oil and water, when the core voter turns against you, you've lost your policy. Which is the case with Iraq. Cindy Sheehan is part of that movement.


She had a position of fame that she did not really deserve.

That's my problem. What entitled her to constant news coverage, to countless interviews, a pulpit to much of the nation? A barefaced appeal to emotion.

Yes that seems to be part of everyones problem here, at least the truth is spoken. I could care less if it was emotion or whining, at least someone was being covered that opposed Iraq on a regular basis.

So the way to defeat ham-fisted patriotic rhetoric is ham-fisted emotional rhetoric?

Apparently.

[Bob]

So all of you smug classy people can feel much more comfortable knowing that Cindy Sheehan will be gone.


i thought being smug was ok

[EN[i]GMA]

All she wanted was a conversation with the Man who sent her son to war, an unjust war to die. That draws attention.


Didn't she get it?

I thought she spoke with Bush on 2 occasions?

And I ask again, did Casey Sheehan think the war was unjust? Again, I don't know, but again, I would like to point out the irony if he didn't feel that way.


Grassroot movements begin with real people and real situations, intellectualism and Bush is like oil and water, when the core voter turns against you, you've lost your policy. Which is the case with Iraq. Cindy Sheehan is part of that movement.

Oh, so she was 'grassroots'? She didn't have large segments of the left using her as a figurehead for their political ideas? She was the opposite of grassroots, she was manufactured by the media almost entirely.


Yes that seems to be part of everyones problem here, at least the truth is spoken. I could care less if it was emotion or whining, at least someone was being covered that opposed Iraq on a regular basis.

What type of coverage did she get?


Apparently.

And we're the worse off for it.

[Carlos]

in my book, anyone criticising her better be getting out and protesting themselves for something they are passionate about... cos to me it just looks like we got a lot of people who enjoy sounding (sickeningly) clever from their comfy computer chair.

i mean come on, nobody is perfect, i personally truly believe she did what she did because she thought it was what was best for your country, and the world too. That's the bottom line, not what it then gets turned into by your foul media machine!!

Hopefully, she will truly go back to a quiet life, and hopefully she will avoid future contacts with quasi-dictactors and with 9/11 conspiracy nuts.

yeah go back to bed america, your government is in control... :rolleyes:

[Documad]

So all of you smug classy people can feel much more comfortable knowing that Cindy Sheehan will be gone.

I'm glad that you're standing up for her. I don't want anyone to think I'm smug. That wasn't what I was after. I know that she's not a politician, but she's been engaging in politics -- however unwillingly. And she's run into typically polical problems, and made some politically dumb moves. I've heard her interviewed on liberal radio stations and what I liked about her was that she engaged in civil discourse with people who disagreed with her. She would say that she wanted the troops out immediately, but she respected the opinions of other anti-war people who worried about whether immediate trop withdrawal would hurt the Iraqis and people like me who wonder whether we have some responsibility to the Iraqis after we messed their country up. So having listened to her on the radio, I was surprised at the mean-spirited thing she wrote. It reminds me of Nixon's famous drunk exit speech after he lost the CA Governor's race. It's also a big thumb in the eye of people who did support her -- she's saying that she only met a handful of worthwhile people during her voyage.

I wish that she had someone in her camp who she trusted had sat her down and tried to make her edit that before it was published. Because now there is evidence that backs up the unfair things the right had been saying about her all along.

[SugarInTheRaw]

She may have moved to action because she was directly affected by the war with the death of her son. Many would contest, "Better late than never."

I think I've learned a powerful lesson from her sacrifices. I'm deciding now to draw my line in the sand, make a bunch of noise, and stand up for my rights before I'm caught off guard by a tragic event. That moment of truth will be different for everyone. I just hope we wake up before it's too late.

[yeahwho]

i thought being smug was ok

yeah, your right...I'm sorry. It is OK to be smug. If your right, it is OK to be smug. And of course I am, because throwing a volley of criticism at a woman who's son died in a war based on bad intelligence is not right. I have no clue why she behaves the way she does, but she spoke out and she made herself heard. Peace be with her.

Who will be the next target? Sean Penn (http://www.thespoof.com/news/spoof.cfm?headline=s4i19415)? Michael Moore? Bill Maher? Stephen Hawking? Dennis Kucinich? France? Norway? Mexico? Canada? Rosie O'Donnelll?

Being smug without compassion is ugly. Attacking those whom represent and have a general belief in your ideals is hypocritical. I am opposed to the war in Iraq. So are these people, Right the Fuck on!

[SobaViolence]

she tried.
that's a lot more than what most of us (the world over) can say.
history will judge her a hero.

[yeahwho]

she tried.
that's a lot more than what most of us (the world over) can say.
history will judge her a hero.

This is why I always liked you, the convictions you hold do not waver through the tremendous heaps of bullshit piled upon our generation, every effort has been made to stifle political points of view and turn the opposition to the Iraq war into a trainwreck. At some point standing up in unison and saying NO to the system that willingly perpetuates this modus operandi will be required.

The democratic congress has gone from overt protest of the war to resistance.

1-20-09 is a fuck of a long way off. This administration has put a whole new meaning into the words "damage control".

Seems like not to long ago (http://www.beastieboys.com/bbs/showpost.php?p=962088&postcount=34) everybody was fine at the party (http://www.beastieboys.com/bbs/showthread.php?t=54812&highlight=cindy+sheehan).

This is Not a Story About Cindy Sheehan (http://www.counterpunch.org/taylor06022007.html)