have you listened to the leak?

[DeeJayZap]

vote!

[pip07]

I don't feel guilty as long as I buy it, which of course I will (y)

[DeeJayZap]

me neither, especially since ill be buying virtually every version.

[kleptomaniac]

i just started listening to it now, but i already voted for amaaaaazing! i'm so going to be buying the album on the 26th as well. ;)

[@water]

Wow... so it's leaked like a month before the release date...
As a person not into the music biz, it makes me wonder what they are waiting for, why not release it when it's finished already?

[Rock On]

I would just like to thank the people @ Mic2Mic blog for posting that it leaked and "It be everywhere".

I would have never known without them.
I'm sure the band appreciates you spreading the good news!

[DIGI]

Link?

[Rock On]

Link?

You've got to be kidding.

Unlike M2M, I will not promote the leak of the Beasties album, especially on the Beasties own website.

[Documad]

I won't be downloading it, that's for sure. I think it's horrible, no matter how commonplace it is. It doesn't matter whether you're also going to buy it.

[@water]

Ohmygod, this album is like 10 times better than TT5B! I'm predicting that the Mix Up will restore the general publics faith in the boys as musicians.
In my country anyhow, the boys aren't really known as great rappers as much as they are considered excellent musicians. The last album didn't really go over so well but I'm guessing this will bring back many of the "older" fans. Great!

Oh, and I hope they catch the motherfucker that leaked it and that he may go to jail and get what's coming to him.

[Knuckles]

Record companies should be more careful about who gets advanced copies of upcoming albums.

[kleptomaniac]

as long as we're planning on buying the mix up later, it doesn't make a huge difference that we have the opportunity to listen to it now as opposed to waiting till later. there were always going to be people who were going to download the album after it was officially released. beastie boys' music is getting out there at least! we are just the overexcited ones who couldn't wait any longer, but we are still supporting the band we love. the mix up is wonderful, i love it! i'm trying not to spoil myself silly before the album actually comes out, beastie boys have done it again. it feels like they are making love to you with their instruments, it's awesome. hehe so i hope everyone enjoys it as much as i do. however, don't forget, the 26th! :)

[dr.spock]

it seems to be on soulseek, most advance copies appear there.

[DIGI]

You've got to be kidding.


Some of us aren't complete nerds for the shit. Maybe 10 years ago.

[JasonP]

I would have prefered vocals. But it is solid, and I do love "The Melee".

[dust monkey]

it seems to be on soulseek, most advance copies appear there.

Yup....and I got it from a little site with the initials R.S.. Actually pulled the direct download link out of a 1st page google search (I was clever in my keyword selection!).

It's a variable bit rip but it sounds nice; the first Bad Brains copy was variable and it didn't sound so nice but eventually I found a version on soulseek ripped at 320 bits which sounds much nicer.

Don't be a dick now; I will be the first to buy both albums on the day they are released, both are amazing, both sound old and new at the same time. The Beastie stuff sounds like CYH and Ill Communication era to me minus the vocal interludes so that makes me happy. And the Bad Brains sounds raw and fast and actually has hardly any vocals on the hardcore songs, but HR is awesome and there is 5 reggae songs, full on without crossover rock infusion....I couldn't be more satisfied right now.

Honestly I was pissed about the instrumental only thing and took it very personally as the Beasties are my hero's right along side Han Solo and Sandy Koufax but........I feel like it's early to mid 90's again after listening, they really hit the mark. Honestly honestly also though, mixing it up even more and complimenting these songs with vocals or infusing samples and other beats into other songs and/or hardcore songs and adding them to this album would have resulted in something just like CYH or IC, and that just would have been awesome. But I can live with this because the album is and feels old and new and it's just good.

[Brother McDuff]

is it good sound quality? wavs? aiffs?

i'd like to peep it, but i don't know if i want my first listen to be some mp3 bullshit.

[MIKEtotheD]

Nahh, I'm not gonna listen to it (as tempting as it is).
I intend to drag my ass out of bed on the 26th (my first day of summer) and go get a copy.
I want to be all suprised when I put the new rekkid on.
(y)

[dave790]

I won't be downloading it, that's for sure. I think it's horrible, no matter how commonplace it is. It doesn't matter whether you're also going to buy it.

(y)

damn straight. respect the fucking beasties. and music is general. but particulary music by bands you supposedly love. shameful.

[Kid Presentable]

Fucking losers.

[balohna]

I listened to that streaming MTV leak last time, but this time I want to buy it and bring it home and shit. They be hawt autists, I'ma cop da new rekkid.

[Kid Presentable]

I bet the Mystery Machine is rockin right about now.

[Nomen Nescio]

It's out there. Yes I listened to it. I'm not a "fucking loser", thanks.

[pshabi]

Downloaded it. Listened to it twice so far. Don't feel bad about it one bit. I'll buy it when it comes out and the band's wallet won't suffer one bit from me.

What's it matter if I have it now or then?

[jennyb]

Yippeeee! I'm listening my lil heart out. I don't care what anyone says, I've spent and will spend more dough on bboy shit than any other artist. Tiz a weird climate out there in the record industry with this internetz and all.

I think Gala Event is my fave cut so far. WOO! YAY! :D

[piede grande]

i'm gonna wait till it's out then buy it..so, i have no intention on listening to it before it's released..

[Laver1969]

I would just like to thank the people @ Mic2Mic blog for posting that it leaked and "It be everywhere".

I would have never known without them.
I'm sure the band appreciates you spreading the good news!

You remind me of a rock. Did M2M promote the link on this messageboard?

Hmmm...You're promoting M2M and telling folks where to find the link. But guess what? M2M reported that the album leaked. They didn't leak it or even provide the link. But now thanks to you, folks that didn't even know about M2M will be checking out M2M and pestering them to provide the link. Good job Rock!

And for the folks that are in the downloading/leaking circles, I'm sure they didn't need M2M to tell them it leaked.

All that being said, I still say competitive cheerleading is not a sport.

And....I'll cosign the pshabimeister. I'll listen to the download and I'll buy multiple copies and mucho stuffo this tour.

[Monsieur Decuts]

ya I really don't feel bad, especially about the beastie boys seeing as I'm on my 7th purchased liscence to ill version. Seeing as they leaked the last album themselves really what's the worry here.

Excellent album!! I can't wait to get the CD in my hands.

[dust monkey]

(y)

damn straight. respect the fucking beasties. and music is general. but particulary music by bands you supposedly love. shameful.

Yeah, take your bra's off. Burn baby burn.......

[dust monkey]

Fucking losers.

Go get em K.P., you da man!!

Fight the Power

[JohnnyChavello]

I told the guy at my corner deli that I'm taking all the shit I want now because, after all, I buy more stuff from them than anywhere else so I'm entitled to it God damn it. Just give me what I fucking want and I'll rationalize it in my own way.

Adrock's luggage - check
Yauch's potential new address - check
Free unreleased album - check

Thanks Mic-to-Mic for everything you do to "support" the Beastie Boys, you're the "greatest."

[pip07]

I told the guy at my corner deli that I'm taking all the shit I want now because, after all, I buy more stuff from them than anywhere else so I'm entitled to it God damn it. Just give me what I fucking want and I'll rationalize it in my own way.

Adrock's luggage - check
Yauch's potential new address - check
Free unreleased album - check

Thanks Mic-to-Mic for everything you do to "support" the Beastie Boys, you're the "greatest."

WRONG!

This is more like taking a sandwich from the deli, and paying the guy back later.

[Nomen Nescio]

WRONG!

This is more like taking a sandwich from the deli, and paying the guy back later.

I think there's bigger problems in the world.

[JohnnyChavello]

WRONG!

This is more like taking a sandwich from the deli, and paying the guy back later.

First of all, it's only even arguably like that if you actually end up paying the guy back. What percentage of people who download this album now do you think are going to be stoked to pay $9.99 on iTunes or $14.99 at their local record store a month from now? Some, but not many. What about the people who download it and find out that they're not really into an instrumental album sans vocals? Do you really think their conscience is going to compel them to pay? By publishing news of the leak, Mic-to-Mic has contributed to some extent to the number of people who will get a copy of the album illegally (yes, illegally). Some proportion of the people who heard about it from them would have paid for it if they didn't know they could get it pre-release and a large proportion of them won't be paying for it when it does come out. Mic-to-Mic, like it or not, will have been responsible for taking money directly out of the pockets of the Beastie Boys. They seem like pretty easy-going guys, but if you took five dollars out of my pocket I'd be taking it out of your ass the next time I saw you.

Second, go ahead and try taking something from someone's shelf. When you're getting pinched for it be sure to tell the judge you were going to pay the guy back. If he manages not to laugh himself to death over your overwhelming ignorance of the law, he will explain to you that you do not have that option.

[pshabi]

ZOMG LOLZ @ Chevello!

YSSCKY! FA REALZ!!!

KTHXBYE

[JohnnyChavello]

ZOMG LOLZ @ Chevello!

YSSCKY! FA REALZ!!!

KTHXBYE

I'm sure your family is proud to know that their son grew up to be a teenage girl.

[pip07]

First of all, it's only even arguably like that if you actually end up paying the guy back. What percentage of people who download this album now do you think are going to be stoked to pay $9.99 on iTunes or $14.99 at their local record store a month from now? Some, but not many. What about the people who download it and find out that they're not really into an instrumental album sans vocals? Do you really think their conscience is going to compel them to pay? By publishing news of the leak, Mic-to-Mic has contributed to some extent to the number of people who will get a copy of the album illegally (yes, illegally). Some proportion of the people who heard about it from them would have paid for it if they didn't know they could get it pre-release and a large proportion of them won't be paying for it when it does come out. Mic-to-Mic, like it or not, will have been responsible for taking money directly out of the pockets of the Beastie Boys. They seem like pretty easy-going guys, but if you took five dollars out of my pocket I'd be taking it out of your ass the next time I saw you.

Second, go ahead and try taking something from someone's shelf. When you're getting pinched for it be sure to tell the judge you were going to pay the guy back. If he manages not to laugh himself to death over your overwhelming ignorance of the law, he will explain to you that you do not have that option.

Wow, I hope you NEVER downloaded a b-side...

Every album is leaked now a days. No shit. No one was waiting for MtM to announce a leak. Only Beastie fans (I'm assuming) even know that MtM exists, so fans know what they're getting into in regards of the content of the album. If someone was planning on downloading this album they would have been searching for it on all the "sites" anyway.

The point is, I'm going to buy the album leak or not so it doesn't make a bit of difference money-wise. (Although money isn't really a problem anyway, do you think this album is expected to sell a lot? No, they're making it because it's what they want to make. I'm also pretty certain that the Beasties aren't going to go bankrupt either) It is morally wrong but I'm making it right by buying it. What other people do with the leak is not my problem.

Oh and lets get off the deli analogy, it really doesn't work here.

[JohnnyChavello]

Oh and lets get off the deli analogy, it really doesn't work here.

You're right. Sandwiches are not a public good, i.e., if you download music it doesn't decrease the number of available copies of that music, making it more difficult for others to get it; whereas if you take a sandwich there's one less sandwich in the world. Even still, I stand by my position.

[pshabi]

I'm sure your family is proud to know that their son grew up to be a teenage girl.

wHaTeV!!!!!

[pip07]

You're right. Sandwiches are not a public good, i.e., if you download music it doesn't decrease the number of available copies of that music, making it more difficult for others to get it; whereas if you take a sandwich there's one less sandwich in the world. Even still, I stand by my position.

That's fine. Of course I don't think its fair that others are going to download and not buy it but thats just what happens.

[JobDDT]

I am not going to listen to illegally pirated music, and I will not seed a torrent that has the bands music when the majority of the people downloading it (not belonging to this message board) are not going to buy the album because of this.

Anyone encouraging pirating of this album, especially Mic-To-Mic, should be ashamed. I guess they found time in between traveling from city to city to go listen to music to email people information about something that is against the law.

[Rock On]

You remind me of a rock. Did M2M promote the link on this messageboard?

Hmmm...You're promoting M2M and telling folks where to find the link. But guess what? M2M reported that the album leaked. They didn't leak it or even provide the link. But now thanks to you, folks that didn't even know about M2M will be checking out M2M and pestering them to provide the link. Good job Rock!

And for the folks that are in the downloading/leaking circles, I'm sure they didn't need M2M to tell them it leaked.

All that being said, I still say competitive cheerleading is not a sport.

And....I'll cosign the pshabimeister. I'll listen to the download and I'll buy multiple copies and mucho stuffo this tour.

Baaaah said the sheep.

You and Pshabi defending M2M is as predictable as it gets around here. Let me know when you guys strat thinking for yourselves and not following the queens orders.

Promoting that the album leaked was wrong, PERIOD.
Reporting Yauch's potential new address was wrong, PERIOD.
Handling Adrock's luggage was wrong, PERIOD.

I don't expect you guys to admit that to yourselves, you have your agenda and you'll continue to defend her and rationalize excuses for her.

[pshabi]

You and Pshabi defending M2M is as predictable as it gets around here. Let me know when you guys strat thinking for yourselves and not following the queens orders.



You're out of your fucking mind and you don't know a god damned thing about me. Think for myself? What the fuck is that supposed to mean? Kiss my grits.

The only orders I've recieved from "The Queen" was "get thy ass up here" in reference to Sasquatch last weekend. Unfortunately, I was unable to carry out those orders. I now post to this board via my wireless connection in the dungeon.

The gimp says hello.

[Mr. Smacktackle]

NO

[Lambrettara]

Yes I have downloaded and listened to it and I feel no remorse because I know I'll be first in line to buy the actual thing when it comes out. I've done the same for artists I care about before and I have faith in myself that I'll do it again.

Anyone sitting on their high horse proclaiming what a saint they are for not downloading it needs to get over themselves and maybe step away from the internet for a while. If you don't want to download it, then don't, but don't get all righteous on other people who do. Advance downloads happen, deal with it. The majority of the people downloading it in advance are fans who are anticipating the album anyway. It's unlikely that it's going to be any huge loss for the Boys. Hell, it might make people even more excited for its physical release. I know I'm even more hyped after hearing it, anyway.

B For My Name is totally the sound of my summer. I love it!

[Randetica]

i need to hear more but so far i would say it's better than tt5b but worse than the 'the in sound from way out'

[dave790]

Although money isn't really a problem anyway, do you think this album is expected to sell a lot? No, they're making it because it's what they want to make.


In which case you could say the same for every Beasties record...

[Laver1969]

Baaaah said the sheep.

You and Pshabi defending M2M is as predictable as it gets around here. Let me know when you guys strat thinking for yourselves and not following the queens orders.

Promoting that the album leaked was wrong, PERIOD.
Reporting Yauch's potential new address was wrong, PERIOD.
Handling Adrock's luggage was wrong, PERIOD.

I don't expect you guys to admit that to yourselves, you have your agenda and you'll continue to defend her and rationalize excuses for her.

YOU are the one who brought the subject up. I'm not defending M2M or M, I am just pointing out that YOU are wrong.

YOU are the one who brought up M2M and the leak in the same sentence.

Why don't you attack Zap for starting the thread? You appear to have a hard-on for M, just like your boyfriend. Just take a deep breath and let it go. Now doesn't that feel better.

[Lambrettara]

You're all retarded for even daring to talk about this on the Beastie Boys' own boards. Shame on you.

Saying shit like 'They don't care' is like you know them. You don't.

You could say the same for saying they do care. Unless the Beastie Boys themselves come out and say "please don't download the album leak," (and if they did I would gladly remove it from my computer until the release) then I'm going to assume they're not bothered by it.

As for M2M, if you have such a problem with it, get your news from another source. Easy enough decision.

[Lambrettara]

I would regard anyone saying anything like this as being a freak.

Why don't you go and burn someones house down while they are out. I'm sure so long as they didn't give their permission, you could take liberties as much as you like, under the ASSUMPTION that they don't care.

Please, that analogy doesn't work at all in this situation. Nice to know I'm freakish, though.

Why are you so upset about other people downloading the album, anyway? If you don't want to, then don't. No one's forcing anyone to do it, it's all a personal choice. Avoid all threads that mention people listening to it if it gets your back up so much. It's not your business and you're not obligated to spread your righteous rage around the fanbase in the name of all that is good and upstanding. You know everyone on this board is a big enough fan to buy the album when it comes out proper, so what's the big deal if they happen to decide to download a leak a few weeks early to ready themselves for it?

[DeeJayZap]

beasties get money once the record shop buys the cds to sell. so even if we dont buy it, they still get the money.

[dave790]

beasties get money once the record shop buys the cds to sell. so even if we dont buy it, they still get the money.

not to get drawn into the whole 'beasties making money anyway argument', which to me isn't the wholepoint, but in regards to your theory, people wouldn't buy the album in the shops as they'd downloaded it, so the amount the shops continually order and re-order would be affected.

[b-grrrlie]

Didn't even know it had leaked...

[Rock On]

beasties get money once the record shop buys the cds to sell. so even if we dont buy it, they still get the money.

Number ten: a strong word called consignment
Strictly for live men, not for freshmen
If you ain't got the clientele say hell no
Cause they gon want they money rain sleet hail snow

[Rock On]

YOU are the one who brought the subject up. I'm not defending M2M or M, I am just pointing out that YOU are wrong.

YOU are the one who brought up M2M and the leak in the same sentence.


I had to bring up the fact that M2M was promoting the leak in order to point out what a hypocritical bunch of douchebags they are. They don't allow posts of differing opinion on that blog, they are editided out if it doesn't follow the company line. Since you all want to sing the blog's praises everytime they post something, they also deserve to be criticized when they "report" something they shouldn't. You can call all the attention, negative and positive, "promotion" for the site. Doesn't mean someone shouldn't criticize because they might inadvertently "promote".

You appear to have a hard-on for M, just like your boyfriend.

And you and your board girlfriend have your head so far up M2M's ass you can see what she had for lunch today.
BTW, how's that YELLOW t-shirt look that he bought for you this past weekend. It was very YELLOWY!

[JohnnyChavello]

beasties get money once the record shop buys the cds to sell. so even if we dont buy it, they still get the money.

It's charming to see someone so confident abut something that's so plainly wrong. As Rock On stated, record companies release physical albums to record stores on a return and consignment basis, which means that artists don't get paid for any copy of the album that doesn't actually leave the shelves of the record store.

[Rock On]

Please, that analogy doesn't work at all in this situation. Nice to know I'm freakish, though.

Why are you so upset about other people downloading the album, anyway? If you don't want to, then don't. No one's forcing anyone to do it, it's all a personal choice. Avoid all threads that mention people listening to it if it gets your back up so much. It's not your business and you're not obligated to spread your righteous rage around the fanbase in the name of all that is good and upstanding. You know everyone on this board is a big enough fan to buy the album when it comes out proper, so what's the big deal if they happen to decide to download a leak a few weeks early to ready themselves for it?


Ok, how about this analogy,

Imagine the Beasties were going to play a special "secret" gig at a very small club that only holds around 300 people. Now you want to get tickets for this show but there is only going to be approx. 300 tickets. So you wouldn't want the word to get out, you would want to keep it a secret as much as possible so that you could better your odds.
Then some radio station comes on the air and PROMOTES the hell out of the show, and the Beasties themselves send out e-mails to everyone on their mailing list about it and announcing when tickets would go on sale.
Would you be pissed? Would you chew out a representative of the radio station if you got the chance, you'd probably say something like
"You're the guys who announced the show before the band could notify their fans. More fans might have gotten into this show if you hadn't done that," even though you and all your "friends" managed to get tickets anyway.

Now explain to me why promoting an illegal record leak and stealing something from your favorite band is ok, but promoting a secret show isn't?

[dirtydan11]

Awesome work guys! Can't wait to buy it. Tell anyone who's bitching that it's all instrumental to make a mix cd with their favs from this, with their favs from Aglio E Olio and TT5B!

As far as the leak is concerned, screw it! When it comes out i'll buy 2 copies anyways (one i keep sealed, like all your other releases).. and the vinyl is gonna be nice, too! So there's 3 for me, anyway

Remember that Dead Kennedys album that was released on cassette with the whole second side blank? it said it go ahead and record any album on this side! Help destroy corporate America! hahaha

Again, awesome, awesome, awesome!!! thanks for the 20th anniversary of being my fav band (!)(!)

[JobDDT]

Yes I have downloaded and listened to it and I feel no remorse because I know I'll be first in line to buy the actual thing when it comes out. I've done the same for artists I care about before and I have faith in myself that I'll do it again.

Anyone sitting on their high horse proclaiming what a saint they are for not downloading it needs to get over themselves and maybe step away from the internet for a while. If you don't want to download it, then don't, but don't get all righteous on other people who do. Advance downloads happen, deal with it. The majority of the people downloading it in advance are fans who are anticipating the album anyway. It's unlikely that it's going to be any huge loss for the Boys. Hell, it might make people even more excited for its physical release. I know I'm even more hyped after hearing it, anyway.

B For My Name is totally the sound of my summer. I love it!

Congratulations on not getting it!

You see, there isn't a huge problem with you downloading it because you're going to buy it (although you are doing something illegal), but the problem is when "fansites" promote torrent downloads that are available to the masses, including everyone who DOESN'T post here, who WON'T buy the album now because it is leaked.

You're wrong if you think the majority of people going to that torrent website are downloading it as "fans" and that they will buy it anyway. Thousands of people go to that site and they download things so they don't have to buy them.

Furthermore, if anyone from that shitty fansite had anything to do with the album being leaked, they should be federally prosecuted.

[JobDDT]

Why don't you go and burn someones house down while they are out. I'm sure so long as they didn't give their permission, you could take liberties as much as you like, under the ASSUMPTION that they don't care.

What about potential future houses? I hear its okay to burn those down! :)

[pshabi]

Job,

You don't have a SINGLE piece of downloaded music on your computer? Not one???

[JobDDT]

Job,

You don't have a SINGLE piece of downloaded music on your computer? Not one???

Nope, unless you count iTunes.

[Lambrettara]

Congratulations on not getting it!

You see, there isn't a huge problem with you downloading it because you're going to buy it (although you are doing something illegal), but the problem is when "fansites" promote torrent downloads that are available to the masses, including everyone who DOESN'T post here, who WON'T buy the album now because it is leaked.

You're wrong if you think the majority of people going to that torrent website are downloading it as "fans" and that they will buy it anyway. Thousands of people go to that site and they download things so they don't have to buy them.

Furthermore, if anyone from that shitty fansite had anything to do with the album being leaked, they should be federally prosecuted.

I can see why people would be worried about that, but I don't see how any of that would be M2M's fault. The kind of people who are going to download the album without intending to buy it are hardly big fans of the band, so it's unlikely they'd be reading M2M in the first place. Also, those types of people don't need a band-centric blog to tell them when something's been leaked - they're perfectly capable of finding it on their own. There are hundreds of warez sites and sharing boards out there that are on the ball faster than anyone. That is a legitimate concern, certainly, and I don't condone that sort of thing at all - but that's not what anyone here is promoting. This is one album by a band that everyone on this board is clearly a fan of and willing to spend their money on. So why do we get called "reprehensible" and the like? Save those words for the people you know are really pirating stuff.

I just don't understand why some people here have such a hate-on for M2M and its contributors. Is there some kind of backstory I'm missing here? Some people seem to be using the leak as an excuse to bitch about it in general. :(

[pshabi]

Nope, unless you count iTunes.

There's a special seat in heaven, waiting just for you.

[JobDDT]

There's a special seat in heaven, waiting just for you.

As long as it isn't a seat in jail.

[Documad]

I don't believe that I have any music on my computer that I didn't purchase, except for things that I'm confident are legal (primarily podcasts from the band or opera company or radio show itself or free CDs from magazines). I wish that more bands followed Pearl Jam's example and allowed fans to purchase high quality product directly from the band.

[Documad]

EDIT: Fuck it. I need a break.

[Baseline]

Almost everything on my hard has been burned, downloaded...
on the other hand almost everything on my shelves has been bought!

True Fan, not part timer ;)

[Brother McDuff]

m2m didn't promote the leak, they reported it. they didn't say where to get it or "download this now", they just said it had leaked. they report the news, and that is news regardless of what you choose to do with that information. big news.

at this point, rock on, almost any statement you make about m2m holds no water because you've already proven that you have some creepy, personal venedetta towards the blog. not only do you always have to get and repeat your word in edgewise about the site, you just won't shut the fuck up about it. you'll post the same complaint, in different words, in every single thread that mentions it. it makes me question if you really dislike the site as much as you want people to think, or if you just convinced yourself you do and you just enjoy being a dick. there's nothing wrong with disagreeing with and disliking their operation at m2m, but keep your pants on for chrissakes, you act like they're threatening your way of life or something. you make such a big deal out of nothing.

[Friis gal]

I really don't care if other people feel they need to blame others for downloading. I just want to have it in my hans before I want to hear it. I don't like to download things that I can get, and I understand peeps who can't wait anymore, but I hope it will be more fun for me to hear it, when I get my LP and CD.

[Rock On]

Maybe BeastieBoys.com should just post a report on the homepage about the album leaking. Hell, send out a mass e-mail to everyone on the mailing list announcing it. I mean, I'm sure everyone on the mailing list will buy a copy anyway, right?

While we're at it, we should write to our local newspapers and TV news station and urge them to go ahead and report all info they have on any unsolved murder investigations and ongoing drug trafficing investigations. I'm sure the police will solve the cases anyway. Besides, they have no ethical reason not to. I promise, I buy a copy of the newspaper EVERYDAY, no matter what, I even bought a t-shirt so I support them as much as anyone, so it's OK.

[Randetica]

thanks for the drama (y)

[freetibet]

4 tracks so far.. B for my name - sounds a lot like Sabrosa [?], 14th st break - like The Doors, Suco de somethin' - NOICE :D Gala event - Radiohead?

[freetibet]

I really don't care if other people feel they need to blame others for downloading. I just want to have it in my hans before I want to hear it. I don't like to download things that I can get, and I understand peeps who can't wait anymore, but I hope it will be more fun for me to hear it, when I get my LP and CD.

Yo've made a strong point there.. I'm on track 4. Maybe I should stop now? [seriously considering it]

[Thunder D]

Wow! This album is fantastic. I cant believe I'm stoked to go into to work tomorrow so I can play this all day long. Cant wait for the vinyl to drop as well. Pure Sexy Funk! I would think it would be a hot idea to drop a 45 vinyl box set after the Mix Up comes out again with vocals. They could box up a nice little 60's style box with 45's of each of the 12 tracks. A side, vocals, B side, instrumental. What do you think?

[Brother McDuff]

Maybe BeastieBoys.com should just post a report on the homepage about the album leaking. Hell, send out a mass e-mail to everyone on the mailing list announcing it. I mean, I'm sure everyone on the mailing list will buy a copy anyway, right?

While we're at it, we should write to our local newspapers and TV news station and urge them to go ahead and report all info they have on any unsolved murder investigations and ongoing drug trafficing investigations. I'm sure the police will solve the cases anyway. Besides, they have no ethical reason not to. I promise, I buy a copy of the newspaper EVERYDAY, no matter what, I even bought a t-shirt so I support them as much as anyone, so it's OK.

why does this bother you so much? there are so many other things in life to be infuriated about, and for better reasons. sure, it's a bummer the album's leaked, but a) it was inevitable, and b) m2m was at no fault, they were just telling it like it is.

[DeeJayZap]

look at it like this: beastie fans read m2m. beastie fans who dont still stay up to date on beastie news. therefore, they would know if it leaked.

[dust monkey]

Yo've made a strong point there.. I'm on track 4. Maybe I should stop now? [seriously considering it]

Don't do it, finish it, love it, absorb it....then repeat. Don't listen to them, they are all insane. The music business is dead from the perspective of profitability on cd purchases. Who gives a shit, support the band by spreading the good word, get people to listen, drag them to the theater to see AIFST, force them to listen while driving to go play golf; eventually they will buy a hat, a shirt, a ticket, or go to itunes to download the back catalog.

All you people need to shut the fuck up before I actually post the link just to really piss you off.

I had a copy of IC a month and a half before it was released on a cassette tape and that to me was the coolest shit in the world and something I was very proud of. I played and played and played it non-stop for 6 fucking weeks to whoever would listen; and I personally know of 10 people who bought the official cd on the release date because they loved what they heard; I know because we all were waiting outside Warehouse at 10am to be the first to own it.

So all of you can kiss my ass; and those of you on the fence I would encourage you to find it and listen to your hearts content. Play it for Mom, Dad, brother, sister, friend, boss, etc; who cares, just get it out and generate some buzz....you have four weeks. It would certainly be more productive to the band than bitching about your so-called morals and ethics to people who really don't give a shit anyway.

Download it now!!!!!

[DandyFop]

I don't give a poop because I know I'm buying it so I see no harm. Usually I don't make a point to DL albums early, but I figgered, why not. Good stuff so far, but Off the Grid is still my favorite.

[DandyFop]

actually that really didn't have the excitement of going to get the CD, opening it up, putting it on in the car on the way back home. I think I'm gonna hold off listening to the rest of it till I go buy it.

[sercomdj01]

god your all pretenious

[Kid Presentable]

LOL I don't expect anybody to share my point of view. But Beastie Boys are the only artists I would never do this to.

[fonky pizza]

On one hand, it spoils the fun a little if I hear it before I buy it on vinyl and on cd->for back up and hoping 4 some videos.
I like to open the fresh product and have my first listen while looking at the cover. This could seem very old school but I like to take my time with things I like.
On the other hand if some friends have it leaked, I'd definitely want to listen to it.

I don't look for it before it comes out, just get the little bits around- I especially love to hear the live versions of new songs I don't know yet.

[Lo_Lyfe]

On reflection.....Let's not open our christmas presents early...

[jennyb]

God Rock, shut the fuck up. You're giving so much credibility to M2M. You're talking as if the world looks at it as the be all and end all on Beastie knowledge. No offense to M2M but I doubt many people really read it outside of our comfy little circle of die hards. Don't ever visit that site again if it pisses you off so much, it's a personal fan site and it's a free fuckin internet out there. Go make your own site if you know how it 'should' be done. Take all the time and energy you devote to dissing that site and go ... Do. It. Yourself.


*sigh* It's just human nature to fight and resist change. I wasn't old enough to really know or remember, but imagine when cassette tapes came out. The record industry I'm sure was all sorts of freaked out due to this new technology. You can literally just copy another cassette tape and omg, not BUY one! I dunno, I tend to embrace change and the future and the unknown. The availability of music on the internet is absolutely titilating to me to say the least. I live right here in Hollywood, and until I see record execs cruising around in Yugos instead of their cushy Mercedes Benz' I may feel bad, but until then... meh. I see the live music scene really blossoming in this environment. It's like bands are forced to tour more or sell more creative things to the fans to make a buck and that's really cool. One of the most intriguing ways of bands selling themselves in this new era is this 'fan club' membership. Like where you get exclusive pre-sales, merch no one else can get, etc... The times, they are a changin'.

[Documad]

I agree with Jenny's first paragraph and disagree with the second. Mic to Mic has nothing to do with this discussion. That was a fan diary reporting a fact.

I know what you're all doing, and I know that I can't stop it. I just wish you would all quit admitting to criminal activity in a public forum. :(

I'm not going to hear the album till mid-July and I have to say that at this point I don't give a shit.

[Lo_Lyfe]

I know what you're all doing, and I know that I can't stop it. I just wish you would all quit admitting to criminal activity in a public forum. :(


Listening to something surely isn't illegal? :confused: :( :o

[Documad]

Listening to something surely isn't illegal? :confused: :( :o

Not if you got it from the record company. I'm sure you all got it from the record company. Now I won't have to worry about you all. :)

[CHECKHEAD2004]

Haven't tried finding it, and haven't run across it.
I'll wait til June 26th.
More exciting that way.. I remember getting Hello Nasty a couple months early and it ruined it for me....

[MIKEtotheD]

LOL I don't expect anybody to share my point of view. But Beastie Boys are the only artists I would never do this to.

Lol I share your point of view 100%.
(y)

[Laver1969]

BTW, how's that YELLOW t-shirt look that he bought for you this past weekend. It was very YELLOWY!

For the last time, competitive cheerleading is not a real sport. Now leave me alone.

[JobDDT]

m2m didn't promote the leak, they reported it. they didn't say where to get it or "download this now", they just said it had leaked. they report the news, and that is news regardless of what you choose to do with that information. big news.

If you looked at the comments section, which they encouraged people to do, they were collecting emails to send out links to illegal torrents. They also provided cryptic hints on where to look, since outright linking is against Blogspot's policy.

If it wasn't against policy, they would've directly linked to it.

[JobDDT]

All you people need to shut the fuck up before I actually post the link just to really piss you off.

Do it, and I hope you get banned.

Fuckhead.

[YoungRemy]

If you looked at the comments section, which they encouraged people to do, they were collecting emails to send out links to illegal torrents. They also provided cryptic hints on where to look, since outright linking is against Blogspot's policy.

If it wasn't against policy, they would've directly linked to it.

I went ahead and looked where you said to look and I couldnt find the following...

1. a direct link
2. a collection of e-mails
3. encouragement of anything


I saw 5 words mentioning the new album-"beastie boys new album leaks"
and I saw people posting their own e-mail address requesting the link... nowhere did anyone promote, encourage, or cryptically give anything away..


so the album leaked.... and?

so a random blog reported that the album leaked... again....and?

whats the fuss? get of the high horse and take the agenda elsewhere...

I also have a suggestion to those who dont like reading independent blog sites..

STOP READING THEM

[Laver1969]

I'm interested to know what the Beasties think about their music leaking? Do they care? Are they pissed? Or is just the nature of beast these days and they know that fans will still buy it.

TT5B leaked about a week or so before the drop date and that album still when platinum. Although I have no facts to back it up, I would assume the album and Touring Pageant were financial successes.

Seriously, they could make this thread disappear, they could take down the board until the album drops.

Furthermore, even if the Beasties don't care about the leak, Capitol could step in and make this thread disappear or pull the board down.

[Rock On]

First off, just let me clarify things here.

I don't give a fuck if you download it.
I don't give a fuck if you buy 100 copies of it when it drops and every t-shirt they are selling.
I don't give a fuck if you DON'T download it and wait for the official release.

There was no reason to Publicize the fact that it was all over the internet. Like many people have already said, most of the die-hards would have found it anyway, so do the band a favor and keep your fucking mouth shut and keep the leak to a minimum.


I see people heaping praise on M2M, making threads devoted to thanking them for the gossip they spread. That's fine by me, but when you promote things that shouldn't be promoted, like an album leak, or Yauch's potential home address, I will point out that that is ethically and morally wrong, and I really don't care who's toes I step on.

Question and Challenge Authority.

[Laver1969]

There was no reason to Publicize the fact that it was all over the internet. Like many people have already said, most of the die-hards would have found it anyway, so do the band a favor and keep your fucking mouth shut and keep the leak to a minimum.


Man, you just keep baiting me in to respond. (y)

Like you said above, most of the die-hards would have found it. But YOU were the first person to bring up M2M and the leak in the same sentence. You are just as guilty.

If you wanted to keep the leak to a minimum, why tell the entire messageboard about M2M? So do the band a favor and keep your fucking mouth shut and keep the leak to a minimum, Mr. Competitive Cheerleader.

A recent study led by researcher, Hermann Engels of Wayne State University, concluded that competitive Cheerleaders are in the same league physically as Olympic soccer and gymnastic contenders.

[bigfatlove06]

If you don't have much time on your hands, don't bother reading this....

From a statistical standpoint the possibility that this leak will effect the album sales is marginal. What I mean is that if you look at the market as a whole (like someone from marketing would do) the people who are on this board plus the people who have the opportunity to even hear about the leak from someone who is on the board represent less than .0001% of the music buying community (this by the way is a WAY conservative estimate). What this means is that if EVERY member of this board alerted 10,000 other people that the album was available for download for free and EVERY ONE of those persons downloaded the album and EVERY ONE of those persons decided not to buy the album because they could download it for free, that would reduce the overall market by less than 1%.

Even if you take into account that the internet propagates dissemination by a value of 100% (Which is absurd) then only 2% of the music buying market would be impacted. Basically any way you cut it up the numbers do NOT indicate that the album sales (or money in the Beasties pocket) will be impacted by the leak. On the other side of the coin...

Feedback is crucial to marketing. Why do movie makers prescreen movies, and then change the ending? Why do major restaurant chains roll out new products in limited markets. It is because they understand that that no matter how much passion, effort, and ingenuity went into producing the product they wish to sell, they can learn from the feedback of a test audience and INCREASE THE MARKET SHARE.

I am not suggesting that DJ Zap (shout out 2 ya) is somehow on the payroll at Nasty Little Man, and that by starting this thread his intention was to collect data for marketing, BUT if you don't think that the people who are marketing this release are reading this thread are using US as a focus group to decide how to amp up sales then you are (insert obscenity laden insult questioning ones ability to reason here).

Just as an afterthought. Anyone who ever bought a "legal" copy of a CD from someone else on ebay who had previously duplicated said copy is just as guilty of taking money out of the Beasties pockets as someone who downloads the new album (and more guilty than those who intend to buy it legally after downloading it).

BFL

[Laver1969]

^Now that's an interesting perspective, BFL. (lb)

[dirtydan11]

well put, and i agree!! i've heard that downloading doesn't effect the album sales at all.. like the shit i download i never would buy in the first place..i am far from rich.. and i support all of my fav bands anyways by buying thier albums.. i have the belief that most downloaders are the same as me.. like i wouldn't buy the new guns-n-roses cd but i would download it to check it out.. Now the new smashing pumkins, i will buy that cd becasue i have the first single from it (which i downloaded) and i like it.

And Zap, you little sneaky double agent spy, you! haha ;)

edit.. that gnr example is frickin funny to me... i dont think i would even dl that to check it out lol, i was just sayin'!

[brooklyndust]

PLEASE READ!!!!

First off I have it and I think the album is incredible. Now I could have downloaded it or I could have got my hands on one of the thousands of promo albums that capitol gives away for free (maybe knuckles is right about how the record companies should be more careful).

All I know is that me being a dj myself, I am going to play this as dinner music or background music at parties and promote the album.

For those worried about how much you are supporting the beasties when you buy one of their albums, this is how it breaks down.

$0.17 Musicians' unions
$0.80 Packaging/manufacturing
$0.82 Publishing royalties
$0.80 Retail profit
$0.90 Distribution
$1.60 Artists' royalties (this is what beasties get)
$1.70 Label profit
$2.40 Marketing/promotion
$2.91 Label overhead (capitol gets this)
$3.89 Retail overhead (Wal-Mart, hmv, music world, fye, gets this)
http://www.almightyretail.com/music_retail/cd_sales_chart.php
It’s pretty clear that you’re not going to be contributing to Losel’s college fund by buying this album. Bands make more money of t-shirts and touring. All these summer festivals that the beasties are headlining are going to line there pockets pretty good. So I wouldn’t worry

And beasties if you have beef, you should check my record collection, (I have added a few records and aifst since this pic was taken) http://img82.imageshack.us/img82/5013/10000736nj.jpg
And its not like you guys got the money for half of those since I bought the majority of those second hand.

BUT dont worry I am planning on buying this album. The dirty and clean version!!!!jj

For those of you out there who still have bad feelings about downloading music check this book out: http://www.amazon.com/Playback-victrola-Years-Music-Machines/dp/0306813904/ref=pd_bbs_sr_3/104-2721982-3257532?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1180928109&sr=1-3

Did you know that opera singers and musicians thought that records were going to kill the music biz?

Shit like this has been going on for a century. Record companies just got lazy and didn’t keep up with the technology, but don’t worry they are finding a way to tax that too (itunes)

Most artists don’t make music to make money, they make it cause it’s art. Sure a little cash never hurts now and then, but I have a couple of friends who are in bands and they actually support downloading music.

[brooklyndust]

check out BFL post he put it better than i could (y)

[dust monkey]

Do it, and I hope you get banned.

Fuckhead.

Careful or I'll give the link to those pics.....yes you know which ones Shirley.

[b i o n i c]

BFL looks like an alias

[b i o n i c]

i just took a leak.

[pshabi]

I know what you're all doing, and I know that I can't stop it. I just wish you would all quit admitting to criminal activity in a public forum. :(



I've consumed alcohol underage, smoked weed, jaywalked, and broken the speed limit.

There, I feel better.:D

[Lambrettara]

Flippin' heck, a lot more drama happened while I was asleep...

First off, just let me clarify things here.

I don't give a fuck if you download it.
I don't give a fuck if you buy 100 copies of it when it drops and every t-shirt they are selling.
I don't give a fuck if you DON'T download it and wait for the official release.

There was no reason to Publicize the fact that it was all over the internet. Like many people have already said, most of the die-hards would have found it anyway, so do the band a favor and keep your fucking mouth shut and keep the leak to a minimum.


I see people heaping praise on M2M, making threads devoted to thanking them for the gossip they spread. That's fine by me, but when you promote things that shouldn't be promoted, like an album leak, or Yauch's potential home address, I will point out that that is ethically and morally wrong, and I really don't care who's toes I step on.

Question and Challenge Authority.

Okay, first off for me, it's lovely that you apparently don't care whether people are or are not downloading it. Yeah, I can see you not caring all over this thread. Good job. But again, that seems to be beside the point. This thread is about whether people had heard the leak or not, and if they were going to. M2M weren't even mentioned until you and your fiery righteous rage brought them up.

What exactly is your deal with that site? If you hate it so much, maybe it's time to stop reading it. M2M is a personal news blog and is not obligated to operate in any particular way. It is not an official site and is not going to act as such. I don't know what you expect from it, but it seems to me that you should just start getting your news from other sources if M2M bothers you so much.

You can be all indignant and "question authority" (:rolleyes:) as much as you like, but don't be surprised when other people are offended by it. I don't see how you benefit from it anyway. Let people enjoy M2M if they want, it's not your business. If M2M is too much for you to take anymore, go somewhere else. It sounds pretty simple to me.

[balohna]

I said I wouldn't but I did. Listening now.

[Kid Presentable]

If you don't have much time on your hands, don't bother reading this....

From a statistical standpoint the possibility that this leak will effect the album sales is marginal. What I mean is that if you look at the market as a whole (like someone from marketing would do) the people who are on this board plus the people who have the opportunity to even hear about the leak from someone who is on the board represent less than .0001% of the music buying community (this by the way is a WAY conservative estimate). What this means is that if EVERY member of this board alerted 10,000 other people that the album was available for download for free and EVERY ONE of those persons downloaded the album and EVERY ONE of those persons decided not to buy the album because they could download it for free, that would reduce the overall market by less than 1%.

Even if you take into account that the internet propagates dissemination by a value of 100% (Which is absurd) then only 2% of the music buying market would be impacted. Basically any way you cut it up the numbers do NOT indicate that the album sales (or money in the Beasties pocket) will be impacted by the leak. On the other side of the coin...

Feedback is crucial to marketing. Why do movie makers prescreen movies, and then change the ending? Why do major restaurant chains roll out new products in limited markets. It is because they understand that that no matter how much passion, effort, and ingenuity went into producing the product they wish to sell, they can learn from the feedback of a test audience and INCREASE THE MARKET SHARE.

I am not suggesting that DJ Zap (shout out 2 ya) is somehow on the payroll at Nasty Little Man, and that by starting this thread his intention was to collect data for marketing, BUT if you don't think that the people who are marketing this release are reading this thread are using US as a focus group to decide how to amp up sales then you are (insert obscenity laden insult questioning ones ability to reason here).

Just as an afterthought. Anyone who ever bought a "legal" copy of a CD from someone else on ebay who had previously duplicated said copy is just as guilty of taking money out of the Beasties pockets as someone who downloads the new album (and more guilty than those who intend to buy it legally after downloading it).

BFL


The only thing wrong with your argument is that the feedback received would offer a basis for the band/label reconsidering the release of the album. It's doubtful that is the case. There wouldn't be any other beneficial data gleaned from leaking the album and collecting the thoughts of hardcore fans, firstly in terms of promotion, and secondly in repsonse to the content of the album.

[Randetica]

i just took a leak.

ew
wew
weew
ewew!

[Laver1969]

I've consumed alcohol underage, smoked weed, jaywalked, and broken the speed limit.

There, I feel better.:D

Hmmm...I wonder what you edited out. :D

[Rock On]

Okay, first off for me, it's lovely that you apparently don't care whether people are or are not downloading it. Yeah, I can see you not caring all over this thread. Good job. But again, that seems to be beside the point. This thread is about whether people had heard the leak or not, and if they were going to. M2M weren't even mentioned until you and your fiery righteous rage brought them up.

Yes. I brought up M2M. I kind of had to do that in order to call them on their bullshit. Everytime someone talks about M2M positively or negatively, it's all promotion for the site. If you think someone shouldn't bring up M2M's name to criticize their paparazzi-like news stories then you sir, just don't get it.

What exactly is your deal with that site? If you hate it so much, maybe it's time to stop reading it. M2M is a personal news blog and is not obligated to operate in any particular way. It is not an official site and is not going to act as such. I don't know what you expect from it, but it seems to me that you should just start getting your news from other sources if M2M bothers you so much.

You can be all indignant and "question authority" (:rolleyes:) as much as you like, but don't be surprised when other people are offended by it. I don't see how you benefit from it anyway. Let people enjoy M2M if they want, it's not your business. If M2M is too much for you to take anymore, go somewhere else. It sounds pretty simple to me.


I don't care who is offended by it, that's their problem. Maybe they shouldn't be so sensitive. If the people at M2M think no one is ever going to criticize their work, then maybe they shouldn't make it for public consumption. That's part of the territory.

And YES, it's not an official site, it's just a blog of a super-fan. But that doesn't excuse them from excersizing some ethics when they post something for the public. M likes to paint herself as some kind of journalist, maybe she should take a course on ethics in journalism.

[bigfatlove06]

The only thing wrong with your argument is that the feedback received would offer a basis for the band/label reconsidering the release of the album. It's doubtful that is the case. There wouldn't be any other beneficial data gleaned from leaking the album and collecting the thoughts of hardcore fans, firstly in terms of promotion, and secondly in repsonse to the content of the album.

Forget everything I said, I was drunk when I wrote that;)...

Seriously though, you're right for the most part. I don't think that the band intentionally leaked the album to try and glean information, but if I was trying to decide whether or not there is a market for a single, what kind of b-sides to put on it, which track to put out first, whether or not people were excited about a limited edition vinyl etc... I would be reading this thread.

[Lambrettara]

Yes. I brought up M2M. I kind of had to do that in order to call them on their bullshit. Everytime someone talks about M2M positively or negatively, it's all promotion for the site. If you think someone shouldn't bring up M2M's name to criticize their paparazzi-like news stories then you sir, just don't get it.

Then I guess I "just don't get it" since I don't understand why you feel the need to bring up M2M here still. If you're so bothered by it, take your complaints and email them straight to Hotsauce if you want her know how you feel so badly. If you want M2M to "reform" or something then letting her know is the only way. Dragging its name through the mud on the board does nothing. I think you just like being angry in public.


I don't care who is offended by it, that's their problem. Maybe they shouldn't be so sensitive. If the people at M2M think no one is ever going to criticize their work, then maybe they shouldn't make it for public consumption. That's part of the territory.

And YES, it's not an official site, it's just a blog of a super-fan. But that doesn't excuse them from excersizing some ethics when they post something for the public. M likes to paint herself as some kind of journalist, maybe she should take a course on ethics in journalism.

Well it's all well and good if you disagree with something on M2M, I can't fault anyone if they find something they don't like on it - it's not going to be perfect for everyone. The only thing I have a problem with is how much you seem to like to let everyone know. I don't think you really have a generic problem with the site - plenty of people have complained about certain articles on it but in a perfectly polite and normal manner without getting worked up about it and people have managed to work things out without problems. You just seem to have a personal vendetta. And that, sir, is what I think you don't get about this. If you have an issue, take it to gmail if you really want things to change. Until then, ranting and raving about it in public isn't going to do much except divide people.

[Kid Presentable]

not saying

[Kid Presentable]

Not saying

[Kid Presentable]

Not saying

[Laver1969]

Laver, I doubt you believe me, but I got 4 C.D's worth of shit to send you now. Should be in the post by the end of the week. Sorry it's taken so long.

I am a believer! I have faith.

[Kid Presentable]

Not saying

[@water]

The record companies think they can count 1 "illegal" download = 1 missed sale.

When in reality it would make more sense to count 1 "illegal" download = 1 person that would otherwise not listen to the album at all.

[Kid Presentable]

Serious folks, don't do it.

I am a giant hypocrite. Respect nothing I post.

[mik]

I love the music in this album. Here's to the next album being of this quality, with lyrics. If this album had lyrics, it would have become an instant classic

[Monsieur Decuts]

I love the music in this album. Here's to the next album being of this quality, with lyrics. If this album had lyrics, it would have become an instant classic

I would love that to be the "Mix Up" of it all. leak some cut tracks and drop an album with new joints and lyrics. Why don't more bands clown on us sheep like this??? PUTS did it...

[Kid Presentable]

It's a horrible feeling, waiting to be 'clowned'.

[b-grrrlie]

Wow! This album is fantastic. I cant believe I'm stoked to go into to work tomorrow so I can play this all day long. Cant wait for the vinyl to drop as well. Pure Sexy Funk! I would think it would be a hot idea to drop a 45 vinyl box set after the Mix Up comes out again with vocals. They could box up a nice little 60's style box with 45's of each of the 12 tracks. A side, vocals, B side, instrumental. What do you think?
Now there's a great idea!!!!

[NeuroticPassion]

where the fuck can I hear the album???

[JohnnyChavello]

If you don't have much time on your hands, don't bother reading this....

From a statistical standpoint the possibility that this leak will effect the album sales is marginal. What I mean is that if you look at the market as a whole (like someone from marketing would do) the people who are on this board plus the people who have the opportunity to even hear about the leak from someone who is on the board represent less than .0001% of the music buying community (this by the way is a WAY conservative estimate). What this means is that if EVERY member of this board alerted 10,000 other people that the album was available for download for free and EVERY ONE of those persons downloaded the album and EVERY ONE of those persons decided not to buy the album because they could download it for free, that would reduce the overall market by less than 1%.

Even if you take into account that the internet propagates dissemination by a value of 100% (Which is absurd) then only 2% of the music buying market would be impacted. Basically any way you cut it up the numbers do NOT indicate that the album sales (or money in the Beasties pocket) will be impacted by the leak. On the other side of the coin...

Feedback is crucial to marketing. Why do movie makers prescreen movies, and then change the ending? Why do major restaurant chains roll out new products in limited markets. It is because they understand that that no matter how much passion, effort, and ingenuity went into producing the product they wish to sell, they can learn from the feedback of a test audience and INCREASE THE MARKET SHARE.

I am not suggesting that DJ Zap (shout out 2 ya) is somehow on the payroll at Nasty Little Man, and that by starting this thread his intention was to collect data for marketing, BUT if you don't think that the people who are marketing this release are reading this thread are using US as a focus group to decide how to amp up sales then you are (insert obscenity laden insult questioning ones ability to reason here).

Just as an afterthought. Anyone who ever bought a "legal" copy of a CD from someone else on ebay who had previously duplicated said copy is just as guilty of taking money out of the Beasties pockets as someone who downloads the new album (and more guilty than those who intend to buy it legally after downloading it).

BFL

First of all, from a statistical standpoint, there are few real statistics in your argument, or information about where you came up with the ones you do throw around. The size of the overall music buying population isn't particularly relevant to this issue. What is relevant is the sample of the music buying population that is at least marginally likely to want to listen to this new album. I agree that the number of people who visit this site and who visit Mic-to-Mic is probably small in relation to that sample, but you have no way of knowing how many people have been to the boards or to the blog between now and the time the news leaked.

Second, in your discussion of the effect of the news, you assume that the people who are told, or who find out about the leak, tell nobody else about it. That's not how it happens. If you've ever played the little game where you imagine one person telling two people about something, who then each tell two people, and so on, you know that something close to the world population is reached within something approaching a factor of 30. It's the domino effect. We do know, based on the comments in Mic-to-Mic, that people found out about the leak from the blog, that they then found and downloaded the album, and in all likelihood, the news of the leak has not been completely contained within the barriers of this message board or that weblog.

As to the issue of whether illegal downloading affects album sales, statisticians have actually done some real research on the issue. The relationship isn't conclusive, but there is data that at least strongly suggests that illegal downloads hurt recod sales. For example, when peer-to-peer technology was beginning to take off between 1999 and 2003, record sales in the U.S. contractd by around 26%. See Bridget Finn, Can Rip-Proof CDs Save the Music Biz?, CNN.COM (Sept. 10, 2003); Press Release of Senator Coleman, Coleman Releases Music Industry Response to File-Sharing Inquiry (Aug. 18, 2003) (quoting Letter from Cary H. Sherman, RIAA President and General Counsel, to Senator Norm Coleman, August 14, 2003). There is also evidence that drops in record sales tend to correlate with a particular country, or region's, bandwidth penetration. See Report of Michael Fine, CEO of SoundScan, on the Effect of Online File Sharing (2000), available at http://www.riaa.com/news/filings/pdf/napster/fine.pdf. Moreover, when the RIAA first began bringing lawsuits against consumers for uploading and downloading music in the summer of 2003, record sales began to increase immediately thereafter. See Alex Veiga, U.S. Album Sales up 5.8 Percent in First Nine Months of 2004, SILICONVALLEY.COM (Oct. 3, 2004) (on file with the Cardozo Arts & Entertainment Law Journal). If downloading does hurt record sales, then guess whose record sales you're hurting by downloading The Mix Up and promoting its pre-release leak.

Finally, as to your eBay argument, the U.S. Copyright Act includes something called the first-sale doctrine in Section 104 of the Act. That doctrine says that an individual who purchases a legal copy of a copyrighted work is entitled to all of the rights of a property owner in the physical copy of the work. That of course means that if you buy a CD, you are entitled to sell that CD without violating the laws of copyright. It does not give you the right to duplicate your copy, as in your hypothetical, and therefore it would be the seller, not the buyer, of the copy that would be taking money out of the artists' pockets because he's trying to have his cake and eat it, too.

[Brother McDuff]

Not saying

It's a horrible feeling, waiting to be 'clowned'.

what're you gettin at, p?

Maybe they shouldn't be so sensitive.

maybe you should take your own advice.

[YoungRemy]

did anyone (Rock On, Johnny C, etc...) even bother to read that the m2m operator has actually helped stop the illegal downloads by sending a list of torrent sites and websites offering "The Mix-Up" on download?

I have disagreed in the past about the "Gawker Stalker" listings on that site(m2m)...

it was only because of the George Clooney scandal, in which he urged celebrities and their publicists to report fake sightings to the website, thereby ruining the sites credibility... in turn, if other blogs and independent sites report this false info, it ruins the credibility across the board...

so i sent an e-mail and started a dialogue with my concerns...

its not hard to let go of all that negativity and try a little constructive feedback and criticism...

as far as the Brooklyn house for sale, if you did a Google News search of Adam Yauch, that article would have come up and when you clicked the story, the address would have been listed ( I used to live right there on Washington and Willoughby in Fort Greene)... journalism ethics:rolleyes: its a fucking blog site with News alerts and some inside information every once in a while...

let it go

[Thunder D]

Lets get back to the original topic. Everything is leaked these days. You can buy Rambo 6 on the street corner right now. I got it, it is "off the grid". I plan on buying it on the release day as well, on CD and vinyl.
Enjoy!

[adrock1988]

FUNKY SHIT YOU CAN GROOVE TO!

[JohnnyChavello]

did anyone (Rock On, Johnny C, etc...) even bother to read that the m2m operator has actually helped stop the illegal downloads by sending a list of torrent sites and websites offering "The Mix-Up" on download?

its not hard to let go of all that negativity and try a little constructive feedback and criticism...

let it go

I'm all about constructive criticism, that's the point of these posts. I think there's an issue raised when a fan promotes pre-release downloading of an album by their favorite band. One option is to say nothing and allow the echo-chamber of "everyone downloads music for free...", "screw the record companies...", "I already spent enough money on this stuff...", etc. to dominate the discussion. The second option is to bring up the other side of the argument and give people the chance to actually think critically about what they're doing instead of just reinforcing their pre-conceived ideas.

I'll say it again - I don't have a personal opinion about the operators of Mic-to-Mic. I only bring them up when I feel like they've crossed a line. That's happened twice recently. Criticizing them for legitimate reasons is not an attack on them personally.

I did see the screen shot of the email Miramanee sent to EMI/Capital. Apparently she had a change of heart. She was, as an administrator and editor of the comments section, allowing people to post hints about where to find the leak, telling people that she would post links if she could, laughing about enjoying waffles with her new Beastie Boys album, seconding one poster's comment that an anonymous poster should send his email so he could send him information about where to get the album, and then allowing that person to post his email to the comments section so he could actually get that information. She facilitated others getting the album illegally by determining what got posted to the comments section. I, for example, posted a comment indicating that she shouldn't be doing it and my comment - surprise, surprise - never appeared, so you know she was making editorial decisions about what goes up and what doesn't. Before she changed her mind and after she downloaded the album (she said she might have had it before that, but I ain't so sure) and made it much easier for others to do so, she decided to contact the record company. That's fine, but let's be honest about the role she played in the early going.

This is all just costructive criticism. I won't make any moral judgments, apart from my own, about downloading music. I can agree that it's not 100% clear cut one way or the other, but I think it helps to hear both sides.

[dirtydan11]

hi!!!! i listened to the leak and i liked it :D .. lets move all that crap to beastie free or something(lb)

[robthesuperking]

Nahh, I'm not gonna listen to it (as tempting as it is).
I intend to drag my ass out of bed on the 26th (my first day of summer) and go get a copy.
(y)




hail that

[KevG]

Yeah.. I downloaded it. I played it 1000 times already. I love it. I will be buying it when it comes out. What is the big deal? Why do people feel like they are robbing the band if they KNOW they are going to buy it anyway?

[gorilla]

who killed the rebel? lot of uptight people round here.

fuck the ethics, it's music, play it enjoy yourself. staticians....... reference points...... god this place is a drag......

anywho...... i'm digging 14th street break...you know that beat that drives the song..... what is that? high notes of a bass??????

booom boom dap boom dap dap..........booom boom dap boom dap dap.....

[YoungRemy]

I's like to change my answer from "not yet" to "yeah, its amazing"

I'm digging the organ break in Suco... sounds very Beck-like..

is anyone else feeling Beck and Radiohead when they hear some of these tracks?

[Kid Presentable]

I don't really like it. It's fun in parts, and there's some good ideas. It sounds like a half finished album; I couldn't help think how far through a deeper album I'd be at the point where The Kangaroo Rat starts. That's not to say it's crap.

Somebody else has the Lo_lyfe account now, btw. Not me anymore. But I completely agree with their appraisal of the album.

[-T-]

Originally Posted by MIKEtotheD http://www.beastieboys.com/bbs/images/buttons_mixup/viewpost.gif (http://www.beastieboys.com/bbs/showthread.php?p=1471668#post1471668)
Nahh, I'm not gonna listen to it (as tempting as it is).
I intend to drag my ass out of bed on the 26th (my first day of summer) and go get a copy.
(y)


I'm with you.(y)

[dottley]

what's up with us tour dated? no I have not heard it.

[brooklyndust]

Just to reiterate to people who think downloading is bad.

When you download you hurt record companies and retail stores more than artists themselves (not encouraging breaking the law, just saying)

Records and pre recorded/pre packaged music was created to sell record players.

Artists make music for the sake of art
Britney spears and her producers make music for the sake of record companies and money

If you want to support the beasties, see them when they tour or buy a t-shirt from the online store

Check my post on page 4

[Brother McDuff]

I don't really like it. It's fun in parts, and there's some good ideas. It sounds like a half finished album;


i felt similar for the first day i was peeping it, though today i've been finding that it grows on ya. the mix really threw me off the most, i think. the bass is really loud and the drums are real far back in the mix. suprisingly, i've found i dig the headphone listen more than on the stereo or in the car.

you can definitely tell that mario is absent though. as much as i enjoy the record (thus far), it really makes me miss mario's work all the more. i think his contributions would have turned this collection of nice grooves into and actual album and experience.

[Kid Presentable]

i felt similar for the first day i was peeping it, though today i've been finding that it grows on ya. the mix really threw me off the most, i think. the bass is really loud and the drums are real far back in the mix. suprisingly, i've found i dig the headphone listen more than on the stereo or in the car.

you can definitely tell that mario is absent though. as much as i enjoy the record (thus far), it really makes me miss mario's work all the more. i think his contributions would have turned this collection of nice grooves into and actual album and experience.

It put me in a mood where I couldn't even enjoy Off The Grid. But I'm picking up moments that I like here and there. Sadly for the most part it's just Break or Build, or Build-Break-Build-Build.

They should have sat on these for a few more months. There's more to be done, but fuck it if they want this out there, more power. The response seems positive, so that's something. It's just such a little album.

[SickFreak]

No, I will have the decency to at least wait until the album is released to download.

I have only downloaded one Beastie album from a website, Check Your Head, as I never got around to getting it for some reason.

But I have bought LTI, PB, IC, HN, TT5B, The Anthology, The Criterion Collection, Agilo e Olio, In Sound, and the rare CD versions of Cookie Puss and Pollywog Stew. So I think I have more than made up for it.

[balohna]

Buy CYH. Shit's cheap.

[Cheeky1025]

I answered too quickly on this one. I assumed the "leak" was the video clip "Off the Grid" posted under audio/video? on this site. I know, I'm old...I'm still learning...

I'm very old school. I remember waiting in line to buy cassettes of Beastie Boys albums. I wouldn't know how to download if I came across it.

"Off the Grid" (the studio video) has been played at least a dozen times a day since I got back from the Gorge. I can't wait for the album to released!

So, I change my vote to I haven't & I won't.

[Chicka B]

I don't care what anyone else does, but I'm waitin until it comes out because I wanna be suprised. I downloaded Off the Grid, The Rat Cage, and the sampler thing, so that should hold me over until the actual album in what...17 days!

[Jitters]

I have not and won't download it.

I'll just wait until it comes out and enjoy it then (y)

[Mookie Blaylock]

I couldn't resist downloading it.

So, I voted for 'It's Good'. It's actually slightly better than good, but short of amazing.

Overall I'm really happy they released an album like this - I think it's damn cool of them. After hearing "Alive" and TT5B I was worried the Beasties may retire their instruments. The album is cool - it's not superb, and it's far from terrible. On an A to F scale, I'd give it a B. It's a fun listen, and I can't wait to play it on my stereo and really crank it up. So far, I've kept the download on my computer, and have only heard it through mediocre (at best) speakers.

[MaestroDenis]

The fact is, if it's there, people will download it. For various reasons too, perhaps to stick it to the man, or because they're mass random downloaders so they download everything, or maybe because they're cheap fuck teenagers or because they can't keep their dicks in their pants til 26th or so they can start stupid-ass threads like this and lure imbeciles into an argument over a petty issue such as should we be downloading a leaked beastie album. No shit we will, see above for reasons.

A (true) fan will also always BUY the album because he/she wants to own the shit, so get over it, damn it to hell.

MD

[Taco Zip]

I'm not listening to the leak.
Just like last album, I'll be waiting for the real shit.

[Randetica]

*slaps taco zip around a bit with a huge ass trout

[Taco Zip]

*slaps taco zip around a bit with a huge ass trout



Ooh, more please :rolleyes:

[Randetica]

stfu! you know you love it :rolleyes:

[dr.spock]

man, we did the same in the disco era, with the casette.

[Taco Zip]

man, we did the same in the disco era, with the casette.

You slapped around people with cassettes? :eek: