The Soprano's Last Night (6/3/07)

[Brother McDuff]

Anybody watch this? damn good episode. i was hoping the two families would finally go to war. next week's final episode is a toss up, but i know the writers have cooked up something good for us.

[Yeti]

I kept hoping Silvio would make it. Tony sleeping with the machinegun was perfect.
Next week we say goodbye.

[Rock On]

My theory is that Paulie is in cahoots with Phil.

First of all, Paulie has tried this in the past playing both sides of the fence with Johnny Sac and Carmine but just from last night's episode:

1. They (the writers) went out of their way to twice bring up Paulie's name amongst the NY crew and wondering why Paulie's name wasn't listed. See, Phil knows Paulie is in cahoots, but Phil's guys don't. So first when Phil says "the top 3," they assume Paulie, Sil, and Tony. Phil has to jump in and say, "No Bobby Baccala." Then later, the NY guys are hanging out again this time without Phil and one says, "I wonder why we're not going after Goiteire. I mean come on, Bobby Baccala? Wasn't he Junior Soprano's driver just last year?" So like I said, they went out of their way twice to bring up the fact that Paulie isn't part of it even though everyone in the NY thinks he should be. Phil and Paulie have a deal that not even the NY guys know about at this point.

2. When Paulie was told that the hit was called out on Phil he got very defensive saying, "Does the Boss know about this?" Then when they told him to calm down he said something to the effect of how he survived through the all the cross-family bloodshed of the 70's and he's not looking to try his luck again. This shows how Paulie would be much happier cutting a deal and living then looking over his shoulder, engaging in war and dying.

3. He was supposed to be in charge of the Phil hit and Phil just happens to not show up at his goumare's on Friday night? Hmmmmm. I wonder if he was tipped off.

4. This one here is the kicker. Bobby and Sil were both shot dead less then 3 hours before Tony and Paulie go to Tony's house to collect food and supplies. Tony is a nervous wreck packing some canned food in garbage bags and scurrying around. What is Paulie doing? Paulie is looking out the window as calm as could be laughing and checking out AJ's girlfriend saying, "Look at the stems on blondie."

Paulie is a nervous wreck about everything! He is far too calm and collected when at that point, he would have every reason to believe that his life was in serious danger. He wouldn't know that Phil only put a hit out on Bobby, Sil and Tony. Just like all the NY guys, Paulie would of had to assume he would have a hit on him also. We've seen Paulie and how he acts when he's stressed. He wasn't stressed at all. He knows he is safe. How does he know? Because he is in cahoots with Phil.

[Rock]

My theory is that Paulie is in cahoots with Phil.

I agree. I don't want to, but I do.

Seeing my man Sil get shot fucked with me. I would have to say he is probably my favorite character.

I heard that Sunday's episode was actually Chase's original ending to the series, but HBO freaked out and told him that it was a shitty ending so they needed one more.

[Yeti]

The last 3 epeisodes Tony has been looking at Paulie like he is a pariah. I kept thinking that Tony was going to off him but now I agree that he has playing both sides of the fence. We will see.

The montage when Bobby got whacked was very cool. I liked the way they incorporated the screams of the miniature people and the train crashing.

I can see how this past episode was the original ending. The way Tony laid on the bed with the machinegun and his paranoid thoughts could have been a leave em hangin end to the series.

[beastiegirrl101]

was no one sad about Bobby Bacala? Man, he was such a sweetie...when did Tony make him his #3? I must have missed that episode.

Originally I thought AJ would take over when he was his his "hard ass" phase but in his recent state, um...no.

I have no clue whats going to happen next week, I don't think they would kill off Tony, I mean come on....I would hate to see the NY mobsters absorb up everything Tony and his crew have worked for. They really didnt give up anything in the previews either.

What did you guys think of Dr. Melfi? Total bitch move...IMO.

Edit: My P's have this theory that they will leave us hanging this sunday and then have the "final FINAL" episode be a movie.

[Rock]

Edit: My P's have this theory that they will leave us hanging this sunday and then have the "final FINAL" episode be a movie.
that would be gayer than vito all rob halforded up and sucking face with Johnny Cakes.

I did feel bad for Bobby since he seemed like a decent person, didn't cheat on his wife, had his first kill not too long ago, so forth and so on.
But then I was happy for him since he wouldn't have to hear Janice's annoying fat face speak.
It was also semi fitting since when Junior shot Tony, Bobby was playing with his Trains and got bulleted himself when he was all trained out.

As for Dr. Melfi...she should have done that about 4 season's ago. Those were the most boring parts of the series. Anytime I saw that waiting room or her office, I would use that as a cue to get something to drink or to drain my lizard.
Although it was a bitchy move, you can't blame her considering all the stuff she had been reading and hearing from colleagues. At first she tried to dismiss it, but it kept coming up and then when she did more research, it sealed the deal.

Oooo how cool was it when Tony offered up a 5er for Junior?

[beastiegirrl101]

Oooo how cool was it when Tony offered up a 5er for Junior?

Janice really has some nerve...oooh.

I kinda think that Tony will drag Carm into it somehow...she can hold her own and she's not a dumb ass. Meadow and AJ's story lines completly bore me, eh.

I really really have no clue...

[Rock]

I kinda think that Tony will drag Carm into it somehow...she can hold her own and she's not a dumb ass. Meadow and AJ's story lines completely bore me, eh.
I hope not. I actually kind of hope that we don't see anymore of them. I just want the last episode to be a blood bath.

[cosmo105]

i think rock on is right about Paulie. i was wondering to myself at the start of the last episode, just what has he been up to lately? makes perfect sense.

i really didn't want to see anything happen to Sil. :(

[Rock On]

The last 3 epeisodes Tony has been looking at Paulie like he is a pariah. I kept thinking that Tony was going to off him but now I agree that he has playing both sides of the fence. We will see.

The montage when Bobby got whacked was very cool. I liked the way they incorporated the screams of the miniature people and the train crashing.

I can see how this past episode was the original ending. The way Tony laid on the bed with the machinegun and his paranoid thoughts could have been a leave em hangin end to the series.


Bacala's assassination was a little masterpiece, with the cuts between the hitmen in the security mirror, Bobby studying the shiny Blue Comet model, the horrified figurines from the model train set, the terrified real-life patrons of the hobby shop, and finally Bobby and the train crashing in unison. For a character who was nothing more than a walking fat joke for years, Bacala got maybe the grandest death scene in the show's history. My first thought was "Of Mice and Men." He's the big nice guy. He gets whacked while dreaming of this great life that can't happen.

[Rock On]

What did you guys think of Dr. Melfi? Total bitch move...IMO.


Which was more of a bitch move:
Melfi taking out seven years worth of misgivings on Tony in a single session (and not even explaining the real reason she was dumping him before closing her door on him, literally and figuratively),

or

Charmaine Bucco's visit to Tony and Carmela's table to passive-aggressively mock them about Meadow and A.J.?

[Rock On]

i think rock on is right about Paulie. i was wondering to myself at the start of the last episode, just what has he been up to lately? makes perfect sense.

It's all in the shoes, White shoes = death.

Moments before Johnny Sack passed, Ginny finished cleaning up his favorite pair of white slippers.
Doc Santoro was sporting a pair when he got the "Moe Greene Special".
Burt Gervasi was wearing a pair of white shoes when Sil took him out.
Sil was buffing his own white shoes when Tony gave his orders to reach out to the "cousins" in Naples.
Now we all know who owns the biggest collection of white shoes on the entire show.

[yeahwho]

It's all in the shoes, White shoes = death.

Moments before Johnny Sack passed, Ginny finished cleaning up his favorite pair of white slippers.
Doc Santoro was sporting a pair when he got the "Moe Greene Special".
Burt Gervasi was wearing a pair of white shoes when Sil took him out.
Sil was buffing his own white shoes when Tony gave his orders to reach out to the "cousins" in Naples.
Now we all know who owns the biggest collection of white shoes on the entire show.

That is a very astute observation.

I give up on the ending, I've figured everything from thinking this whole Psychiatrist thing is going to play a major part in the end of this show.
After all, this guy seeing a shrink has been "the" constant theme thru the whole series.

Maybe he is "just a regular guy" with delusions of being a mob boss all this time.

Other thoughts,

AJ double suicide,
Feds arrest him in a move to the Federal Witness Program,

All I know for sure his options have been played. How it turns out will be more than likely, "Stark Raving Reality", which usually is pretty ugly.

Damn what a great 7 years.

[Rock On]

They had better not end this show without showing Janice get naked.
I've been waiting too long to see those melons.

[yeahwho]

Dr Melfi has really put the media (http://www.recordonline.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070606/ENTERTAIN/70607004/-1/LIFE)on the run, I've noticed more and more stories popping up Tony's outing and the consequent abrupt ending to Tony's therapy.

The Samuel Yochelson/Stanton Samenow study that started all this is real and one of the Dr.'s who wrote the paper back in the 70's responded to FOXNews (http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,278498,00.html) with his newfound notoriety.

Damn, what will compare to this type of TV next, extremely well written.

[Rock]

They had better not end this show without showing Janice get naked.

the thought of that almost made my breakfast come up.

[Documad]

I'm not as into it as I should be. I think that I'm holding myself back because I'm sad that it's ending. Also, Christopher was the best character for me, and when he died I immediately cared a lot less.

I'll really get into this when the DVDs are released. :rolleyes:

I loved the Raging Bull part though. And I thought the Dr. Melfi part nearly ruined the show. It didn't make sense and seemed out of character for her because it happened so suddenly with no real event to trigger it. It was like they knew that the show was ending that they couldn't just have her disappear quietly so they wrapped that storyline up too abruptly.

[GetYourWarOn]

it's not gonna be pretty

[yeahwho]

I'm not as into it as I should be. I think that I'm holding myself back because I'm sad that it's ending. Also, Christopher was the best character for me, and when he died I immediately cared a lot less.

I'll really get into this when the DVDs are released. :rolleyes:

I loved the Raging Bull part though. And I thought the Dr. Melfi part nearly ruined the show. It didn't make sense and seemed out of character for her because it happened so suddenly with no real event to trigger it. It was like they knew that the show was ending that they couldn't just have her disappear quietly so they wrapped that storyline up too abruptly.

Super Glad your all caught up!

Jeez, I liked Christopher too, but the Kennedy & Heidi episode in which Tony took him out was probably my favorite episode. The writing was over the top, especially the peyote trip in Vegas (http://img.slate.com/media/1/123125/123020/2156609/2156610/2163817/070522_TVC_sopranosEX.jpg).

Anyway I'm more into this series, especially these last 6 episodes than any other TV series I've ever watched. Come Sunday, Redemption or Death.

Point Blank.

[Documad]

My favorite episodes of the series have always been the ones where nothing much happens in the overall story line. Like when the priest shook Paulie down. I loved the first one for this last mini-season, where things got out of hand at the lake. But there's been too much AJ lately for my taste.

I've been watching the last couple of episodes without paying full attention, because I hate to admit how much I'm going to have invested in the last episode. I'm really funny that way. The episode where Christopher died brought it home to me that the show's over. I will re-watch the post-Christopher episodes this weekend to get ready for the final one. I'm going to have to watch the final one when it airs so that I don't hear anything to ruin it.

It's definitely been one of the better shows on TV. I'd have never dreamed that I'd be so hooked. I remember when I first heard about it, I was pretty skeptical.

[Rock On]

**Spoiler Alert**


Take it for what it's worth (which is absolutely nothing) but here's the scoop I heard.

Tony survives the war with Phil & NY and comes out alive and on top. In the end, he's at home with Carmella and the kids and everything appears as if it is going to be an "and everyone lived happily ever after" ending when Melfi storms into the home, struggling with the fact of believing she helped him become a better criminal through treatment, shoots Tony dead.

[cosmo105]

that doesn't make any sense.

[Rock On]

It makes some sense

[Rip Round'n Roc]

man that was a bad ending

[Documad]

man that was a bad ending

I was mad at first, but now I'm wondering whether it was the way to go. We can all write our own endings.

[GetYourWarOn]

We can all write our own endings.
those are the worst kind of endings

[kaiser soze]

I'm sure the movie will have a better ending

[kll]

I don't know how I feel at the moment. This show has consumed us for some time now and I hate it when shows I love end... bah.

[Brother McDuff]

i love how the last episode was shot. 75% of the time when someone gets wacked you can see it coming, by the way the camera shots focus on or follow the victim awkwardly. where they take up the whole frame and you can't really see what's going on in the immediate space around them, and then a gun or club or what have you just pops in the picture and does it. that being said, so much of the finale was filmed this way where you just know something bad's gonna happen (from experience) and then it doesn't. sure keeps you on the edge of your seat. like when paulie was at the bada bing alone, or when aj's picking up his girlfriend, or when that cockeyed guy from the ny family is walking down the block on the phone with phil, to name a few.

alot of it goes back to that flashback tony had last week from when they were at the lake house and bobby asks tony what he thinks it's like when you finally get clipped, and tony answers by saying that nothing happens. complete darkness and you don't hear a thing. i don't think tony got killed, per say, but that was a very important conversation to flashback to at this point. many feel that the so-called audience gets whacked at the end. who knows...

[Burnout18]

i'm pretty pissed,,, its like reading a whole book but realizing the last chapter was ripped out. If i wanted to imagine my own ending I wouldn't have wasted the time watching this whole season.

[yeahwho]

I had about four different things going through my head at the ending, the first is I was pissed because I thought I DVR'd it wrong and didn't even get the ending, then the credits rolled.

The second was it was just a reflection of the way the family lives.

Then briefly, because of the truck driver (as in Hoffa) and the Members Only jacket guy, a hit and it was over....

Then while taking a much needed leak it came to me, anxiety attack just as the show started. Dr. Melfi was the key, the sessions were working these past seven years. Beautiful.

[befsquire]

so i thought for sure tony was gonna get whacked. and i waited for it. then they're in the restaurant, waiting on meadow, and that one dude keeps looking at the table. meadow can't park for shit, and dude goes into the bathroom. i thought he was gonna get a gun he'd stashed in there and take them out, and you see meadow running toward the restaurant (i figured she'd get hit by a car running like that). and then nothing.

so i start yelling fuck you at the tv, as if david chase can hear me, and then i realize the last minute is david chase's little fuck you to all of us who complained that the sopranos was over, because he had a.j. say it, and then tony: life goes on, just remember the good parts.

[Rock]

Shit episode.

The only highlights...

- The cat.

- When the FBI agent says "We're gonna win this!" or something like that.

- When Phil's head gets run over.

- When they started playing Journey.

[GetYourWarOn]

i loved the scene where aj picked up his girlfriend at high school. lol he's such a tool

and i also thought it was funny that all his fake values went away the second he got what he wanted

[bigblu89]

While I didn't love the ending, I loved that everything wasn't just tied up in a nice little package.

Because, if it was, there'd be nothing for people to bitch about.

Now people can debate what happened for years.

To me, they tied up what needed to be tied up, and now life goes on.

[abcdefz]

...they cut just before the meteor hit. I loved it!

[kll]

^that's the great part - you can even debate the end of the world!

[abcdefz]

...plus, it keeps the doors open for A Very Soprano Christmas. (y)

[Rock]

Waaay to much focus on AJ. That fucking whiny pussy.

[abcdefz]

You men AJ and Pussy are the same guy?

I thought Pussy got whacked a long time ago.

[cosmo105]

taken from an HBO forum, spotted on yet another forum:


"> this is the best explanation:
>
> Remember when he was speaking with Bobby...basically
> saying that you don't see it happening?
>
> So here is what I found out. The guy at the bar is
> also credited as Nikki Leotardo. The same actor
> played him in the first part of season 6 during a
> brief sit down concerning the future of Vito. That
> wasn't that long ago. Apparently, he is the nephew of
> Phil. Phil's brother Nikki Senior was killed in 1976
> in a car accident. Absolutely Genius!!!! David Chase
> is truly rewarding the true fans who pay attention to
> detail.
>
> So the point would have been that life continues and
> we may never know the end of the Sopranos. But if you
> pay attention to the history, you will find that all
> the answers lie in the characters in the restaurant.
> The trucker was the brother of the guy who was robbed
> by Christopher in Season 2. Remember the DVD players?
> The trucker had to identify the body. The boy scouts
> were in the train store and the brothas at the end
> were the ones who tried to kill Tony and only clipped
> him in the ear (was that season 2 or 3?).
>
> Absolutely incredible!!!! There were three people in
> the restaurant who had reason to kill Tony and then
> it just ends. This was Chase's way of proving that he
> will not escape his past. It will not go on forever
> despite that he would like it to "don't stop". Not
> the fans!!! Tony would like it to keep going but just
> as we have to say goodbye, so does he. "

[bigblu89]

That theory has already been shot down.

There has never been a character on The Sopranos named Nikki Leotardo. And the guy in the Diner's real name is Paolo Colandrea (http://www.phillyburbs.com/pb-dyn/news/111-06092007-1360360.html), and has never acted before that one scene.


And the 2 Black guys that almost shot Tony, one was locked up, and the other got shot and killed in the gunfight.

[cosmo105]

ah. well, i didn't pay as close attention so i wouldn't know. good show, bigblu.

[bigblu89]

No problem.

I'm still trying to figure out what I liked more. How the show ended, or how pissed off people are about how the show ended.

[yeahwho]

You made me go to the Soprano's community board, the members there have really invested a lot of life into the series.

It's a great theory and there are many others over there which tells me Chase is a genius who really did TV justice. What a great show. What great writing. The music, the wardrobe, locations, cinematography and references are stellar.

The catalytic converter scene was great and Tony bitching out AJ was hilarious, "You could grill a steak on that thing"!

I have no bitches whatsoever with the ending, "Try to remember the times that were good."

[yeahwho]

I'm still trying to figure out what I liked more. How the show ended, or how pissed off people are about how the show ended.

Me too. If it had to end why not end it this way. No other ending could possibly generate as much speculation.

Some will win, some will lose
Some were born to sing the blues
Oh the movie never ends
It goes on and on and on and on
[Refrain]
Don't stop...

[Documad]

i loved the scene where aj picked up his girlfriend at high school. lol he's such a tool

and i also thought it was funny that all his fake values went away the second he got what he wanted

The catalytic converter scene was great and Tony bitching out AJ was hilarious, "You could grill a steak on that thing"!


I just loved these two scenes.

And Paulie nearly hitting the cat with the broom, and them playing Journey on the jukebox.

[b i o n i c]

we find out the 'real' ending(s):

a. at the next DVD release or
b. at the beginning of the movie.