B-boys the next Dead

[writerpoetgenus]

Could the Beastie Boys be the next Grateful Dead. Representing an era, a sound, a following.

[camo]

...an ice cream

[roosta]

the essence of moisture?

[balohna]

We are a pretty dedicated fanbase. Especially the people that are flying out to gigs and stuff.

[Brother McDuff]

the dead played different shit every night between the jams and random setlists, while the beasties play nearly the same setlist every night on tour and hardly jam out. touring with the beasties could get old pretty quick, that is if you're in it strictly for the music and not just to be in the same room as them.

that said, i'd tour with the beasties any day over the dead.(y)

[mcamuto]

Beyond the jams the dead were also a 'lifestyle' and the band that could have
been the 'next dead' really was Phish and they had a following much the same. Beyond just the jams it was the 'lifestyle' of the dead and constant touring that
made up the 'culture' which included as much 'touring' as it did partying and taking/selling drugs at shows. The beasties are not a 'touring' band at all nor a 'jam band' either. Very few rap acts could possible do something like that. Maybe the roots could since they are 'live hip hop' but ultimatly its the culture.

Half of my friends in college that were 'into the dead' did not know a damn thing
about them besides jerry garcia and really were just into going to the shows to say they did and taking as much acid they could. Towards the end their
live shows were just terrible from all reports. That was a sad thing that divided the true dead heads with the 'new-school dead' crowd.

Most Beastie fans are really into the music I would say, with a smaller percentage in the 'going to say you went' crowd. I would much rather see the beasties do the same show 20 times over then go to another jam band show in my life!

[3pakbonanza]

Beyond the jams the dead were also a 'lifestyle' and the band that could have
been the 'next dead' really was Phish and they had a following much the same. Beyond just the jams it was the 'lifestyle' of the dead and constant touring that
made up the 'culture' which included as much 'touring' as it did partying and taking/selling drugs at shows. The beasties are not a 'touring' band at all nor a 'jam band' either. Very few rap acts could possible do something like that. Maybe the roots could since they are 'live hip hop' but ultimatly its the culture.

Half of my friends in college that were 'into the dead' did not know a damn thing
about them besides jerry garcia and really were just into going to the shows to say they did and taking as much acid they could. Towards the end their
live shows were just terrible from all reports. That was a sad thing that divided the true dead heads with the 'new-school dead' crowd.

Most Beastie fans are really into the music I would say, with a smaller percentage in the 'going to say you went' crowd. I would much rather see the beasties do the same show 20 times over then go to another jam band show in my life!

Nothing against your friends but those are the kind of people that ruined the scene... I say this because I've been to my far share of dead shows dating back to the late 80's.. Towards the end people started to just go for the drugs.. That's not what it was about.. Were there drugs there? Yeah, alot of em but that's not why people went.. It was more a a gathering of an extened family.. People would travel to see the Dead and to meet up with people that they only saw at a show.. A Dead show was an experience not a concert. Yeah there were times the music was a little on the bad side because Jerry was to fucked up to get it right.. But if you were lucky enough to get them on a good night they would bring the house down..

The funny thing about this thread is that people are comparing the 2.. It's so black and white. I've been a B-Boy fan since LTI and I've been to many many shows. There's no comparison.. Dead = Experience, B-Boys = Entertainment...

Someone mentioned in a earlier response about setlists.. They said that the Dead's were always different but the B-boys was always the same.. I have to agree.. That's the one complaint I have about a B-Boy show.. You can go to 2 shows in different places and hear the same songs in the same order.. With as many songs as they have they can afford to mix it up a little bit.. I mean how cool would it be to be able to say you heard Hey Ladies at a show in Atlanta but your friend in NY didn't..

Sorry for my ramble.. It just bothers me when people talk about the Dead but don't know anything about it...

[mcamuto]

Nothing against your friends but those are the kind of people that ruined the scene... I say this because I've been to my far share of dead shows dating back to the late 80's.. Towards the end people started to just go for the drugs.. That's not what it was about.. Were there drugs there? Yeah, alot of em but that's not why people went.. It was more a a gathering of an extened family.. People would travel to see the Dead and to meet up with people that they only saw at a show.. A Dead show was an experience not a concert. Yeah there were times the music was a little on the bad side because Jerry was to fucked up to get it right.. But if you were lucky enough to get them on a good night they would bring the house down..

The funny thing about this thread is that people are comparing the 2.. It's so black and white. I've been a B-Boy fan since LTI and I've been to many many shows. There's no comparison.. Dead = Experience, B-Boys = Entertainment...

Someone mentioned in a earlier response about setlists.. They said that the Dead's were always different but the B-boys was always the same.. I have to agree.. That's the one complaint I have about a B-Boy show.. You can go to 2 shows in different places and hear the same songs in the same order.. With as many songs as they have they can afford to mix it up a little bit.. I mean how cool would it be to be able to say you heard Hey Ladies at a show in Atlanta but your friend in NY didn't..

Sorry for my ramble.. It just bothers me when people talk about the Dead but don't know anything about it...

I have no qualms with you harping on my friend, because I thought they
were wacko as well for 'hopping on the bandwagon'. I knew a lot of
people who were really 'into it' before they came popular with the jeep
driving frat boy crowd and it seems like their experience was on par
with yours. The ironic thing is a lot of the 'new school' dead heads I knew
were mostly in frats and the made fun of me for being way into the beastie
boys and listening to pauls boutiqu all the time. This was PRE 1994. Then sabotage dropped and all these same people were like 'beasties rule'. Totally annoying. Any jam band is about 'experience' and 'bonding' and the beasties are basically a really good concert.

The beasties, however do not play the exact same setlist every night. However they used to 'switch it up' a lot more. It seems like they have like 2/3 of their core songs and then sub a few in and out. During the pagent tour they honestly were more lazy then in the past. Every instrument interlude was the same and every encore was pretty much the same. I saw them back to back two nights in san francisco and they probably had 5 or 6 different songs per night maybe. But I think its rare the the set is exact, but the core is always the same for the most part

[balohna]

Whoever saw them in Seattle and Vancouver (I know paulb did and a few other people at the Vancouver show were talking about how they were at the Seattle show the night before) on the last tour got a pretty good deal. The first hip-hop set and the instrumental set were different. The second hip-hop set and encore were exactly the same through the whole tour though.

[3pakbonanza]

I wasn't harping on your friends.. Just the Jeep driving frat boys the you eluded to.. Which is pretty funny by the way... I can't stand bandwagon fans.. You are either a fan or not.

Chillin at the beach with the Grateful Dead....

[Brother McDuff]

The funny thing about this thread is that people are comparing the 2.. It's so black and white. I've been a B-Boy fan since LTI and I've been to many many shows. There's no comparison.. Dead = Experience, B-Boys = Entertainment...

that's it that's all right there. i think this thread was kind of nullified on conception considering the two bands and their shows haven't the slightest in common. a major stretch from the start.

[mathcart]

Not to mention that this has been a prolific period for the beastie's of late (last 3 years) but they ebb and flow through being out there and being on haitus. The dead toured all the time with very few extended breaks(like 2 shows between end of HN tour in 2000 and the Pagent in 2004!).
But there iss something about the experience of attending a Beastie Boys show that is indescribable, so minus the gaps of time and the mostly consistent set lists, I sort of see what the thread starter was saying. Also the Gala events are deadlike in that the are digging deep into their catalogue for the weird shit and mixing up how they present some standards (sure shot), which is sort of kinda like jammin for this band. So I'm clearly agreeing with everyone.:D

[cookiepuss]

my opinion on this matter is no. no comparison. they just aren't the same.

[alikat]

whole different vibe, whole different experience.

though i must say this instrumental incarnation of the beastie boys will find some new best friends among those of us in the fan base with a history of dancing through 17 minutes of "drums & space" with zero chatter. we know how to rock instrumentals!!!

[3pakbonanza]

whole different vibe, whole different experience.

though i must say this instrumental incarnation of the beastie boys will find some new best friends among those of us in the fan base with a history of dancing through 17 minutes of "drums & space" with zero chatter. we know how to rock instrumentals!!!

Amen my friend....

[Bobtwi]

What would we call ourselves?

[BangkokB]

Speaking of Lazy. The Beastie Boys should be ashamed of themselves playing the same played out songs night after night. They should shake up their playlist...I can't believe they can sleep at night knowing they have a huge playlist of songs that are basically ignored. Look at Beasiemania.com and you'll see they zombie though the same tired songs night after night. Snore zz
Where's Car Thief, Dedication, Rhyming & Stealing, Shadrach, Slow Ride, Johnny Ryall, BBoys w/ the Freak Freak, Finger Linking, & Bootzilla?

and Jimmy James~Oh that's right. You have to pay to play that song.

If only I owned an advertising company and could throw $300K their way. Then I might be able to design a playlist w/o having to hear Intergalactic, Shake, Pass, and Sabotage

Real fans aren't bandwagon junkies and want to hear more than that played out mess

Face it: They're Lazy and don't know how to skip off the beat of Mix Masters LP on the platter. It's like the Band Stand but only their singing to their music lip synch

I don't like the Dead but respect that they flipped their script night after night instead of going through the motions(n)

[Bank Cashier]

Everyone is going to say I'm crazy, but I always thought the Beasties were most similar to the Beatles.

Why?

1) The genre bending and such. Every album brought something different and moved the music scene and popular culture in a different direction.

2) Each member wrote songs and lyrics. Every member had songs completely all their own and brought something different to the band. Yet they were still one cohesive unit.

3) Both bands are responsible for bringing black music to a larger white audience. Elvis brought it to white American kids kinda like RUN DMC did, but the Beasties and the Beatles brought it to a global audience.

4) They were both a phenomenon when they broke. Big difference was the Beasties had more longevity and the Beatles went their separate ways.

Their are more examples, but that's my general comparison.

Anyone agee?

[alikat]

Everyone is going to say I'm crazy, but I always thought the Beasties were most similar to the Beatles.

Why?

1) The genre bending and such. Every album brought something different and moved the music scene and popular culture in a different direction.

2) Each member wrote songs and lyrics. Every member had songs completely all their own and brought something different to the band. Yet they were still one cohesive unit.

3) Both bands are responsible for bringing black music to a larger white audience. Elvis brought it to white American kids kinda like RUN DMC did, but the Beasties and the Beatles brought it to a global audience.

4) They were both a phenomenon when they broke. Big difference was the Beasties had more longevity and the Beatles went their separate ways.

Their are more examples, but that's my general comparison.

Anyone agee?

Yep, I hear you. Obviously we're not saying "oh, they're the next Beatles!" but the analogies are there.

I would add that the Beasties are the only longstanding act around these days to come close to capturing that "Fab Four" thing -- the lovable personalities, the humor, the movies. The cheeky interviews. The trend-setting outfits. The cool wives . . . YES.

If you really wanna extend the analogy, The Mix Up marks their post-India sitar period. :) And don't forget, both bands begin with B-E-A and end with E-S, making them easily confused on the iPod.

I think I even know which Beastie is which Beatle . . . but that's maybe another thread (and maybe a little creepy). Anyway, no I don't think you're crazy.

[mathcart]

Everyone is going to say I'm crazy, but I always thought the Beasties were most similar to the Beatles.

Why?

1) The genre bending and such. Every album brought something different and moved the music scene and popular culture in a different direction.

2) Each member wrote songs and lyrics. Every member had songs completely all their own and brought something different to the band. Yet they were still one cohesive unit.

3) Both bands are responsible for bringing black music to a larger white audience. Elvis brought it to white American kids kinda like RUN DMC did, but the Beasties and the Beatles brought it to a global audience.

4) They were both a phenomenon when they broke. Big difference was the Beasties had more longevity and the Beatles went their separate ways.

Their are more examples, but that's my general comparison.

Anyone agee?

I've always felt this a little- but not for any obvious reasons, though all the ones you posted are valid. the Beatles were a huge inovative and influental band both musically AND culturally. Look at where popular music and culture were in the begining and end of the 60s. The beatles had a lot to do with, while maybe not the events that shaped the decade, the mass of people coming out of a conformist sleep of the 50s. They matter in a way to the maturity and evolution of a generation. More personally my parents grew up with the beatles music in much the same way I did with the Beasties and found their music very meaningful to them. Just as rock and roll was my parents music, because it came about in their lifetime and was their generations musical achievment, I always felt the same way about hip-hop. It was created in my lifetime. The evolutionary steps are very intertwined with who I am and what I believe. The evolution of the Beastie Boys musically and personally mirrored very much my growth and maturity and felt like they were the soundtrack to my life in much the same way my parents described feeling about the Beatles. Theres a connection thats about the love of the music but its also about a little more than that. Its a connection the music gives you to times in your life and to other people who feel similarly- or even just have love for the Beasties.

[Shadrach]

Definitely our Beatles. Revolutionized music.

As for the set lists, I was thinking that they should definitely break out some of the lesser played songs. BB making with the freak freak, all of B-Boy Boulliabase, Sounds of Science, you know, the stuff that the hardcore fans would love to see/hear live.

I also think that they should definitely do a show where they play all of Paul's Boutique from beginning to end a la dark side of the moon. Greatest album of all time. maybe take some of the tracks and put them to instruments.

[mathcart]

Definitely our Beatles. Revolutionized music.

As for the set lists, I was thinking that they should definitely break out some of the lesser played songs. BB making with the freak freak, all of B-Boy Boulliabase, Sounds of Science, you know, the stuff that the hardcore fans would love to see/hear live.

I also think that they should definitely do a show where they play all of Paul's Boutique from beginning to end a la dark side of the moon. Greatest album of all time. maybe take some of the tracks and put them to instruments.

Couldn't agree more, especially with your PB idea. I think I would spontaneously combust due to the awesomeness of that scenario. Actualy, now I'm a little frightened of that happening. But in a good way...