i can't believe you haven't seen...

[Bob]

this thread is for posting "must-see" or particularly classic movies that you've either never seen or have just recently gotten around to seeing or that you know other people haven't seen. basically, i have a netflix account and i'm trying to catch up on seeing all of these movies and i'm hoping people will name a lot of them for me.

citizen kane is a good one, a lot of people haven't seen that, i just saw it the other week. rocky, too, i just saw that not too long ago.

i've never seen the goonies but i don't honestly think that i want to. it sounds like one of those movies that everyone saw when they were a kid, and now they all talk about it for the nostalgia, but if you were to see it for the first time as an adult it wouldn't be so hot. kind of like playing oregon trail for the first time at the age of 30 or something, there's no point. but correct me if i'm wrong!

[NicRN77]

I can't believe I've never seen This is Spinal Tap before. I just watched it tonight thanks to Netflix and it was CLASSIC.

[trailerprincess]

I saw Donnie Brasco for the first time yesterday. It was good.

I have never seen the Sound of Music. Thankfully.

[Yorkshire~Rose]

I have never seen the Sound of Music. Thankfully.

Ditto

I have never seen Fight Club. Or The Usual Suspects.

[roosta]

i've never seen the goonies but i don't honestly think that i want to. it sounds like one of those movies that everyone saw when they were a kid, and now they all talk about it for the nostalgia, but if you were to see it for the first time as an adult it wouldn't be so hot.

nah..your right. I was lamenting the fact that my girlfriend hadn't seen the Goonies before, but as I was describing it to her i realized that you probably had to have grown up with it to enjoy it now.

She wasn't mad on "The Karate Kid" so I decided she shouldn't see the Goonies.

[Lex Diamonds]

Donnie Brasco
True Romance
The Long Good Friday
Citizen Kane
Mean Streets


Which should I watch first?

[abcdefz]

I saw Donnie Brasco for the first time yesterday. It was good.

I have never seen the Sound of Music. Thankfully.




1) (y)(y)(y)(y)(y)

2) see #1

[ScarySquirrel]

I hadn't seen The Neverending Story until recently and I thought it kind of sucked. I guess it's another one of those things like The Goonies.

Just last night I watched Requiem for a Dream which I also thought kind of sucked. Everyone I talked to said I would love it. Eh... whatever. I get it. Drugs are bad and can fuck your life up. They should just start showing that for D.A.R.E.

[trailerprincess]

Donnie Brasco
True Romance
The Long Good Friday
Citizen Kane
Mean Streets


Which should I watch first?

I'd go for True Romance

[roosta]

Donnie Brasco
True Romance
The Long Good Friday
Citizen Kane
Mean Streets


Which should I watch first?

True Romance

The Warriors. The Omega Man. Wallace and Grommit: The Curse of the Were-Rabbit. Big Trouble in Little China. Beautiful Girls. Flash Gordon. The Fish That Saved Pittsburgh. Yentel.

Those are some suggestions. I have yet to see the third/six Stars Wars movie.

I watched the Omega Man on Saturday. Great film. Will Smiths going to ruin it.
Watch The Warriors. Big Trouble In Little China might be the same deal as Goonies..if you didn't grow up with it...i dunno if you can like it now.

[abcdefz]

Donnie Brasco
True Romance
The Long Good Friday
Citizen Kane
Mean Streets


Which should I watch first?


You don't deserve at least three of those movies.

So, yeah -- True Romance.

[DIGI]

nah..your right. I was lamenting the fact that my girlfriend hadn't seen the Goonies before, but as I was describing it to her i realized that you probably had to have grown up with it to enjoy it now.

She wasn't mad on "The Karate Kid" so I decided she shouldn't see the Goonies.

Damn, dude, your girlfriend sucks.:D



Seriously.


Hmmmmm, how about The Dancin' Outlaw??

[abcdefz]

:eek:!!!!

Say it ain't so.....

http://iamlegend.warnerbros.com/

:(

Oh God, why? Why are good people punished so unjustly, and so severly.

Didn't they learn anything from "Wild, Wild West"?

Can someone please poop on Will Smith for me? Please?


He was good in Happyness [sic]. Maybe he's getting --


























nah.... you're right. Full cynicism ahead. :(

[roosta]

Smith will only be able to play it one of two ways; Either as a one-line-quiping smart-arse action hero or the I-AM-THE-SERIOUS furrowed brow anguished "lost-my-wife-and-kids" guff he tried during I, Robot. Both of which will ruin it.

[roosta]

Damn, dude, your girlfriend sucks.:D



Seriously.


Well...she liked "The Karate Kid' she just didn't see why I liked it so much.... :(

[Planetary]

i know some people who havn't seen goodfellas. and i know some people who don't like dumb and dumber

[Randetica]

from this list i only saw

fight club
true romance
and the never ending story



bob you copydawg! :eek:

[abcdefz]

Well...she liked "The Karate Kid' she just didn't see why I liked it so much.... :(




So it's all relative, then.

Yeah -- if you're stuck a rowboat in your above-ground swimming pool so you can climb in and do stork moves every morning at dawn, her sense of proportion is probably better than yours.

[Randetica]

and karate kid

[na§tee]

shit brrraaaahhh i fucking love me some karate kid actshun. have i told people this before? i once bought a karate kid action figure on ebay from back in the day, it came with a pair of chopsticks with YES, THAT'S RIGHT, an oversized rubber FLY attached to it JUST LIKE IN THE MOOOVEEZ! the daniel-san came with what is commonly referred to as a 'hiiiiii-yah!' arm action and blocks to CRUSH. it was FUCKING DOPE.

i've seen them all. yes, even that shite one with hilary swank.

[Randetica]

karate kid is in the top boring list right next to black beauty and tron

[abcdefz]

karate kid is in the top boring list right next to black beauty and tron



Pfft. Tron is a shit movie. Karate Kid is good.

[na§tee]

no way, rands. mr miyagi got a fucking oscar nomination (serious!), what did black beauty ever do for anyone? EEEEEExactly. horses can't get academy awards.

[roosta]

shit brrraaaahhh i fucking love me some karate kid actshun. have i told people this before? i once bought a karate kid action figure on ebay from back in the day, it came with a pair of chopsticks with YES, THAT'S RIGHT, an oversized rubber FLY attached to it JUST LIKE IN THE MOOOVEEZ! the daniel-san came with what is commonly referred to as a 'hiiiiii-yah!' arm action and blocks to CRUSH. it was FUCKING DOPE.

i've seen them all. yes, even that shite one with hilary swank.

Karate Kid 3 is that rare breed, a film that is so bad it is genuinely entertaining. But yeah parts 1 and 2 are the bomb.

Yeah, I had a Rocky action figure and on the back was the add for that Karate Kid action figure...always wanted it. must have a peek on eBay.

[abcdefz]

what did black beauty ever do for anyone? EEEEEExactly. horses can't get academy awards.




...wasn't there a cinematography nomination or something? That was a Carrol Ballard movie that Coppola produced -- nothing to dismiss so handily.

[Randetica]

no way, rands. mr miyagi got a fucking oscar nomination (serious!), what did black beauty ever do for anyone? EEEEEExactly. horses can't get academy awards.

and? i use my oscar as an anal dildo
and the oscar is THE lucky one in this game

my mother allowed us back then to watch movies of our choice which means i saw karate kid (thanks to my brother) every third day and all 3 kk movies in one piece :(

karate kid trauma big time!
i had a dirty dancing trauma (thanks to my sister) as well but i got over it but i think the kk wound is unhealable

love me :(

[MC Moot]

I recently finally saw:

"Ray".....although I felt Fox did a great job of portrying the physical charactertistics of Charles the movie did little for me,plus playing blind is alot easier when you can use glasses....great continuity in the movies exterior/or street scenes with regards to time chronology but hradly warranted the acclaim it recieved.....(n)

"Curse of the Golden Flower"...the best use of color in a film in probably the past 5 years,stunning stuff,the costuming/wardrobe was incredible...undoubtedly Asian but with a bizarre Euro courtesan thing going on......best use of Ninja's in recent martial arts based flicks as well....(y)

"Children of Men"......why Clooney and Pitt choose this as their fave movie of last year escapes me but it was pretty good nevertheless......:confused:

[MC Moot]

oh,oh,oh....I also recently saw "THE KILLING" by Kubrick....(y).....my local never had until they bought the box set.......now the only one I have yet to see is "Barry Lyndon" cause I've heard very little positive about it....

[abcdefz]

oh,oh,oh....I also recently saw "THE KILLING" by Kubrick....(y).....my local never had until they bought the box set.......now the only one I have yet to see is "Barry Lyndon" cause I've heard very little positive about it....


Barry Lyndon. Man, just adjust yourself for "slow."

That's a fucking FANTASTIC movie, but it's pretty much an immersion into that world. So be prepared for a 3 hour long 5mph carriage ride and you'll be fine.

You know he had NASA (I think) develop lenses so he could shoot indoor scenes by candlelight for added realism?

Fuck. If it'd been a better actor than Ryan O'Neal, man. Oh, man.

I love this movie. Some days, it's my favorite Kubrick of all.

[Otis Driftwood]

I can't believe you haven't seen Confessions of a trick baby. You will never die in peace!

[MC Moot]

You know he had NASA (I think) develop lenses so he could shoot indoor scenes by candlelight for added realism?.

I think there's also story with NASA and the shots of earth from orbit he used in 2001 as well....maybe something to do with the fact that NASA had never released such concise images of the planet from space and were very interested to know how Stanley did/imagined it.....

[DIGI]

shit brrraaaahhh i fucking love me some karate kid actshun. have i told people this before? i once bought a karate kid action figure on ebay from back in the day, it came with a pair of chopsticks with YES, THAT'S RIGHT, an oversized rubber FLY attached to it JUST LIKE IN THE MOOOVEEZ! the daniel-san came with what is commonly referred to as a 'hiiiiii-yah!' arm action and blocks to CRUSH. it was FUCKING DOPE.

i've seen them all. yes, even that shite one with hilary swank.


YEAH, JOHNNY, PUT 'EM IN A BODYBAG!!!!! YEAAAAAAAAAH, HAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAA!!!!

[abcdefz]

I think there's also story with NASA and the shots of earth from orbit he used in 2001 as well....maybe something to do with the fact that NASA had never released such concise images of the planet from space and were very interested to know how Stanley did/imagined it.....



The government got on Hitchcock's tail regarding uranium in Notorious. It was a wild guess he and his screenwriter came up with, and they wound up being followed for quite a while because of it.

[MC Moot]

The government got on Hitchcock's tail regarding uranium in Notorious. It was a wild guess he and his screenwriter came up with, and they wound up being followed for quite a while because of it.

It's all cause Kazan was a dirty rat fink bastard.....he even perverted Chuck Heston.....:mad:

[abcdefz]

I blame Edison and the Lumieres.

[MC Moot]

J Edgar Hoover and John Wayne used to spend weekends together dressed in drag,inhaling nitrous oxide and doing the jitterbug at Waynes ranch just outside Alameda Ca......it's allll true,Oliver Stone told me so.....:D

[Lex Diamonds]

You don't deserve at least three of those movies.

So, yeah -- True Romance.
...are you being serious?

[abcdefz]

How often does that happen.

[Lex Diamonds]

I dunno man, just seemed a bit catty that's all.

I do know and love film ya know, it's one of the few things I'm passionate about.

[abcdefz]

I'm just in a pissy mood.

Throwing True Romance in with those others was just kind of... whoa. It's a hip movie and all, but it's not worth mentioning in the same breath. So my knee jerked. Nothing personal.

Sorry for being a dick.

[Lex Diamonds]

I like a bit of trashy cinema, it's like the filmic version of junk food, it has its place.

[abcdefz]

Oh, it's better than trash. There are some trashy moments in it, but it's not trash by a long shot.

[Lex Diamonds]

I thought Tarantino dialogue would be enough to make even the classiest premise for a movie trashy (in a good way). Regardless, I'll check it out and let you know what I think.

[MC Moot]

I like a bit of trashy cinema, it's like the filmic version of junk food, it has its place........

To that end I watched almost all of "Red Dawn" this weekend,bust a gut laughable.....Patrick Swaze is like a thespian greek god,throwing thunder and lightening from the top of Mount Olympus, down upon fiendish cuban and russian commie invaders...a B movie classic....(y)

WOLVERINES!!!!

[abcdefz]

Back in the day there was a marquee that listed the three movies playing as an equation:



RED DAWN
+
BLUE THUNDER
=
PURPLE RAIN





:)

[MC Moot]

RED DAWN
+
BLUE THUNDER
=
PURPLE RAIN





:)

My mother made us leave "Blue Thunder" at the theatre,because she felt the violence was inessential to the plot line....I had a friend with me and it was the height of embarrassment......I kid you not.....the first movie I ever had to walk out on and it wasn't even by choice.....:o

[abcdefz]

I haven't seen it, but is anything with Schieder (sp) all that bad?

[skinnybutphat]

Have any of you racist bastards seen Birth of a Nation?

I hear it's interesting even though it's propaganda for the KKK.

[MC Moot]

I haven't seen it, but is anything with Schieder (sp) all that bad?

"Jaws:The Revenge".....:eek:....It’s a shame when alimony and property taxes dictate an actors repertoire….and ”Seaquest”,geez,what a guy has to do for a regular paycheque…..Tarantino should mercy cast him and Ralph Macchio in sumthin.....:D

[abcdefz]

"Jaws:The Revenge".....:eek:....




Was that the third one?

I remember seeing the second one as a kid and thinking it wasn't embarrassing. I'm kind of embarrassed to see it again, though. I liked the Amityville Horror back then, too. :o

[MC Moot]

Was that the third one?



It was the 4th installment sadly, Roy turned down the 3rd (in 3D at that!) and Michael Caine stepped in to shine his resume up...then Chief Brady came back....that had to be hard on the man's ego......;)

[abcdefz]

It was the 4th installment sadly, Roy turned down the 3rd (in 3D at that!) and Michael Caine stepped in to shine his resume up...then Chief Brady came back....that had to be hard on the man's ego......;)


Dennis Quaid was in the third one, too.

Yeah -- Caine missed out on picking up his best supporting actor Oscar because he was off filming the Jaws movie.

[HEIRESS]

I used to be obsessed with ralph macchio. and I totally have a tshirt with his face on it that says "heart throb" that i bought when i was in highschool

[Rock]

It was the 4th installment sadly, Roy turned down the 3rd (in 3D at that!) and Michael Caine stepped in to shine his resume up...then Chief Brady came back....that had to be hard on the man's ego......;)

Jaws - Schneider
Jaws II - Schneider
Jaws III - Quaid
Jaws IV - Caine with Schneider in flashbacks from the first two films, no extra filming for him in that one.

Just sayin'.

But its better to not know that, than it is to know it, so you win.

[Rock]

I used to be obsessed with ralph macchio. and I totally have a tshirt with his face on it that says "heart throb" that i bought when i was in highschool

I would have put that T-Shirt on my pillow and made out with it every night before bed.

[MC Moot]

Jaws - Schneider
Jaws II - Schneider
Jaws III - Quaid
Jaws IV - Caine with Schneider in flashbacks from the first two films, no extra filming for him in that one.

Just sayin'.

But its better to not know that, than it is to know it, so you win.

I think Quaid actually refers to his Jaws performance as a direct result of his coke habit on I.T.A Studio...but its better to not know that, than it is to know it, so it's a draw.....

[MC Moot]

^whomever has yet to see "Mean Streets" look for the "bar room brawl" scene as the fisticuffs/wrestling and smashing were all real.....(y)

[Lex Diamonds]

I would have put that T-Shirt on my pillow and made out with it every night before bed.
Yo mayne, you forgot to say "NO HOMO".

[Bob]

i know some people who havn't seen goodfellas.

ooh, that's a good one. if anyone here hasn't seen goodfellas, go see it, do it now. you don't even have to like crime movies to like it, it's so damn good. i think i'm gonna watch it again, actually...

[na§tee]

I used to be obsessed with ralph macchio. and I totally have a tshirt with his face on it that says "heart throb" that i bought when i was in highschool
shit hot.

make mine a corey feldman (http://www.tlchicken.com/db_images/3_4_feldman.jpg) one though, hrrmm?

[MC Moot]

How bout some lesser known crime capers like:

"At Close Range" Sean and Chris Penn play brothers with Christopher Walken as Dad....

"Mortal Thoughts" How Demi Moore met Bruce Willis,film noir....

"State of Grace'" Sean Penn and Gary Oldman as irish american mobsters.....

"Romeo is Bleeding" Gary Oldman get's it....

(y)

[b i o n i c]

what do you mean "remember"? he's still in the michael jackson phase.

[BangkokB]

I still haven't been able to see*sorry for this but my intertubes are clogged and I can only access this site
Soylient Green(sp)
The Latest David Lynch movie
That movie about the kid and the machine from the 80's
Rollover
Manhunter
Electric Booglaloo~ any of them
that horror movie where she was a he
that love story turned horror movie where you found out in the end she was a he

Great Movies that are a Must
The Gambler
Touch of Evil
Boiler Room
HardCandy

Overrated Hoopla
8 and a half
That movie that was in black and white where the guy is playing Death a game of chess for his life
And the foreign movie that was all in reverse

[abcdefz]

Overrated Hoopla
8 and a half
That movie that was in black and white where the guy is playing Death a game of chess for his life




8 1/2 is overrated but still awfully fuckin' good.

And The Seventh Seal is a stone masterpiece.

Go back three spaces.

[beastieangel01]

i've never seen the goonies but i don't honestly think that i want to. it sounds like one of those movies that everyone saw when they were a kid, and now they all talk about it for the nostalgia, but if you were to see it for the first time as an adult it wouldn't be so hot. kind of like playing oregon trail for the first time at the age of 30 or something, there's no point. but correct me if i'm wrong!

I didn't see it until I was 19. That was pretty much the case.

[MC Moot]

I still haven't been able to see*sorry for this but my intertubes are clogged and I can only access this site
The Latest David Lynch movie




It's just under 3 hours and you have to be a Lynch afficianado to really dig it,Laura Dern is wicked,shades of Wild At Heart........I wish I would have waited and viewed it in da home theatre environment.....

[abcdefz]

It's just under 3 hours and you have to be a Lynch afficianado to really dig it,Laura Dern is wicked,shades of Wild At Heart........I wish I would have waited and viewed it in da home theatre environment.....


Inland Empire?

It actually played here, funny enough. But even the positive reviews made it sound so fucking self-indulgent, I couldn't imagine spending three hours with it. :(

[MC Moot]

Inland Empire?

It actually played here, funny enough. But even the positive reviews made it sound so fucking self-indulgent, I couldn't imagine spending three hours with it. :(

I'd definetly recommend it for a cold,dark,stormy Sunday afternoon in the comfort of ya crib....(y)

[BangkokB]

A-Z~ I was hoping to get a response from you

So tell me this: Have you seen
Rollover~Cause I hear it's the cats ass. Is it worth $25///And Soylient Green while we're at it bc I can't rent these movies I'd have to buy them

And have you seen
The Gambler
Touch of Evil
HardCandy

If not I strongly suggest you see them

[abcdefz]

A-Z~ I was hoping to get a response from you

So tell me this: Have you seen
Rollover~Cause I hear it's the cats ass. Is it worth $25///And Soylient Green while we're at it bc I can't rent these movies I'd have to buy them

And have you seen
The Gambler
Touch of Evil
HardCandy

If not I strongly suggest you see them

Rollover -- is that Jane Fonda and James Caan? I remember it got horrible reviews when it came out, circa 1982? Never seen it.

Never seen Soylent Green, actually.

The Gambler -- you're not talking about the Kenny Rogers made for TV movie thing, are you?

Touch of Evil -- if you can get over Charlton Heston as a Mexican, it's a fantastic movie. Lots of black humor, Orson's great, what's his name who plays the mob leader is great, Marlene Dietrich is fantastic with all of about twelve lines.

A-. (y)



Hard Candy -- I couldn't watch it, because the dialogue is pretty stagebound, stilted. I just couldn't believe what was happening onscreen, because everything was a device.

[BangkokB]

Rollover is where the Saudi's decide they don't want to trade with the US$ anymore and the panic that it causes when they dump it. It has Kris Kristopherson so it's safe as fuck
I haven't seen it but if KK is in it then it's got to be Law!

The Gambler is a Michael Mann joint. About a digenerent Gambler that's owes large. He can't stand to win. Stars James Cann and Faye Dunaway side appearance with Freddie Boom Boom Washington from Welcome Back Kotter.

[MC Moot]

oh...I want to add "Albino Alligator" to my list of lesser known crime caper suggestions.....based on a play,entire movie takes place in a bar,1 set,directed by Kevin Spacey featuring Matt Dillon,Faye Dunaway,Gary Sinise and Viggo Mortensen.....(y)

[abcdefz]

Rollover is where the Saudi's decide they don't want to trade with the US$ anymore and the panic that it causes when they dump it. It has Kris Kristopherson so it's safe as fuck
I haven't seen it but if KK is in it then it's got to be Law!





I sincerely hope you've see Pat Garrett and Billy the Kid, then.

Kristoferson, Coburn, Slim Pickens. Arguably Peckinpah's best movie.



The Gambler is a Michael Mann joint. About a digenerent Gambler that's owes large. He can't stand to win. Stars James Cann and Faye Dunaway side appearance with Freddie Boom Boom Washington from Welcome Back Kotter.


You're kidding me. I've never even heard of it. That's weird.

Did you know Freddie Boom Boom was one of Lucas' first choices for Han Solo? True story. :eek:

[BangkokB]

I sincerely hope you've see Pat Garrett and Billy the Kid, then.

Kristoferson, Coburn, Slim Pickens. Arguably Peckinpah's best movie.





You're kidding me. I've never even heard of it. That's weird.

Did you know Freddie Boom Boom was one of Lucas' first choices for Han Solo? True story. :eek:

No, I haven't and unfortunately I'd have to buy it. I love the cast~Is it worth the $25? So far the turntable is set for Rollover, Soylient Green but Pat Garret and Billy the Kid are more than ready to jump on that $ train.

And Freddie Boom Boom as Han Solo would have been Law! He'd flown the Mellinum Falcom buck whillin'

I was thinking about this the other day: Did Lando join the Rebels bc his heart was in it or bc he was pissed off that Darth Vader kept changing the lines in the sand? Do you remember where Lando says That wasn't part of the deal to Lord Vader and Darth says something to the effect of Perhaps you would like to change the deal then? A Question Challenging his manhood bc someone as pimp as Lando would say "You're Goddamn Right! The Deal is off" I think he joined the rebels more bc he was pissed at what they did to his cloud city than to any cause. He was driven by his loss of Cloud City

[abcdefz]

No, I haven't and unfortunately I'd have to buy it. I love the cast~Is it worth the $25? So far the turntable is set for Rollover, Soylient Green but Pat Garret and Billy the Kid are more than ready to jump on that $ train.

And Freddie Boom Boom as Han Solo would have been Law! He'd flown the Mellinum Falcom buck whillin'

I was thinking about this the other day: Did Lando join the Rebels bc his heart was in it or bc he was pissed off that Darth Vader kept changing the lines in the sand? Do you remember where Lando says That wasn't part of the deal to Lord Vader and Darth says something to the effect of Perhaps you would like to change the deal then? A Question Challenging his manhood bc it's not like as pimp as Lando was he'd say "You're Goddamn Right! The Deal is off" I think he joined the rebels more bc he was pissed at what they did to his cloud city than to any cause. He was driven by his loss of Cloud City


1) PGandBtK -- yes yes yes yes yes. (It's worth it to me, anyway.) I had it on videocassette, laserdisc, and then DVD. There are a few different versions out there milling around, but if you get the DVD set you'll have two versions that are just fine. the only one you don't want is the original studio cut which sucks sucks sucks.

Also has: Dylan, Harry Dean Stanton, and Charles... Charles... damn. The dude with the big teeth and glasses who was in Buddy Holy Story. Charles Martin Smith? Maybe that's it.

2) I think Lando basically beat it when he realized Cloud City (and all the mining) was now fucked. I'm not sure he really had anywhere to go. Despite thinking of himself as a lady's man, he didn't seem to have much sack.

But a lot of things could've been better explained if Return of the Jedi hadn't started the quality slide in the Star Wars universe. I mean, that's when continuity really started getting fucked. They even managed to make Han Solo look like a buffoon.

And what was up with that "you're my sister"/"Yes! Somehow I've always known...." bullshit. Yeah, you've always known -- something about tongue-snaking your brother will do that for ya. :rolleyes:

[BangkokB]

That's because Empire wasn't written by Lucas

Ugnaughts not cute cudely Ewoks. I hated RotJ when I first saw it: ask me what I think about it now.

Off Topic: I know that I'm going against the grain on this one but Return of the Sith sowed up all the loose ends nicely. And it was Dark and I loved it

Execute Order 66 was a nice way to let everyone know how that went down

[abcdefz]

Gary Busey was in the Buddy Holly story. Atleast that's the version I think of.



Yeah -- he played Buddy. Charles Martin Smith was one of the Crickets.

He was in American Graffiti, too. He was the guy who was trying to buy liquor for the platinum blonde girl.

[Bob]

i watched donnie brasco based on the first page of this thread and wow, that was pretty damn good.

i'm not a film expert by any means at all, but i thought it was really clever how they made it so that donnie brasco is his main identity in the movie, and joe pistone is sort of his secondary identity. they did it fairly subtly i thought, but i think it really got to the...well i dunno, but it got to something, and i loved it, i think i'm gonna watch it again before i return it. to see that ridiculous mustache again if nothing else

[paul jones]

MEANTIME (1983)

starring Gary Oldman, Tim Roth, Alfred Molina, Pam Ferris, Phil Daniels etc etc

part 1
http://youtube.com/watch?v=BgFLbDkXeuQ
part 2
http://youtube.com/watch?v=RINjMrDGxeM
part 3
http://youtube.com/watch?v=pf-7n9SJNHI
part 4
http://youtube.com/watch?v=EZENbOpk3AA
part 5
http://youtube.com/watch?v=yzLdb9Ecc1E
part 6
http://youtube.com/watch?v=dMw4QXkBSrI
part 7
http://youtube.com/watch?v=6yYNMSHFio8
part 8
http://youtube.com/watch?v=0EM-vgodMbo
part 9
http://youtube.com/watch?v=IOmfmoTj_N8
part 10
http://youtube.com/watch?v=wlQiD1KYtTw
part 11
http://youtube.com/watch?v=12uEhDQiMDw

[Bob]

what's a good james woods movie?

i know him almost exclusively from guest appearances. i know him from the simpsons, i know him from family guy, and i know him from GTA: san andreas and i love him in all 3 things. the only actual movie i've seen him in is casino, and he was good, but it wasn't a big role

so what's he in that i should watch, i love that guy

[TAL]

Salvador
Videodrome

[Bob]

*updates netflix queue*

that'll do

[TAL]

Did you read something about them so you know what you're getting yourself in on?

[Kid Presentable]

i watched donnie brasco based on the first page of this thread and wow, that was pretty damn good.

i'm not a film expert by any means at all, but i thought it was really clever how they made it so that donnie brasco is his main identity in the movie, and joe pistone is sort of his secondary identity. they did it fairly subtly i thought, but i think it really got to the...well i dunno, but it got to something, and i loved it, i think i'm gonna watch it again before i return it. to see that ridiculous mustache again if nothing else
I know people always say this shit, so forgive me; but the book is amazing. The lines between the two personas and the effect of drawing a line are explored in greater depth.

[Tompz]

Donnie Brasco was really, really good.

Finally watched The Wizard of Oz the other week after years anticipation. It was bizarre but I enjoyed it. So many references and lines in pop culture out of this film, seeing it was neat.

[abcdefz]

Salvador
Videodrome


Those were the first two I thought of.

I know he's in The Onion Field, too, which a lot of people like.

Decent cameo on Entourage.


He does a fairly decent job in My Name is Bill W., but the movie's kind of sentimental and not so good. It's okay, just... eh.

[Nuzzolese]

I can't believe I never saw Die Hard until last week. You guys, it was REALLY good, you should check it out if you haven't already. You know how sometimes the hype and collective nostalgia of a popular movie of the past is really just the enthusiastic refusal of people to admit that the time of society they enjoyed has past? Well, Die Hard isn't like that. It's really cute.

[Nuzzolese]

I hate when classic movies are listed as one of the best movies of all time just because it was the first of its kind, or influenced later movies, or was especially important for its time.

I watched It Happened One Night and In Cold Blood.

They were good, and I understand they were important movies both for audiences at the time and for later movies they influenced. To enjoy them on their own, without real intentional recognition of their cultural significance, they're just decent. That's how you have to enjoy some of these old classic movies. Because they are outdated, I think they can be tedious. And especially with It Happened One Night, they have been so imitated that it's hard to appreciate them just because they were the original or one of the first, or one of the best of the first. Not to say it's bad, because it's very cute.

What I find REALLY tedious are the old movies that originated the arthouse style, becuase they became just SO overdone and I don't blame the old movies or say they're bad. You can't blame Jennifer Aniston for 50 million women getting "The Rachel" haircut. But it ruins them.

I hated Slapshot but I guess it's one of the classics.
Night of the Hunter : goodish
THX 1138 : good

[Bob]

I can't believe I never saw Die Hard until last week. You guys, it was REALLY good, you should check it out if you haven't already. You know how sometimes the hype and collective nostalgia of a popular movie of the past is really just the enthusiastic refusal of people to admit that the time of society they enjoyed has past? Well, Die Hard isn't like that. It's really cute.

i bet that a lot of people that haven't seen die hard write it off as just an action movie. but it's not. it's THE action movie

[Nuzzolese]

Thanks, Cmute! Slapshot: I didn't even finish watching because it was so unexeptional and I got bored with it. I guess my expectations were high. I think at the time that it was released, it was considered shockingly raunchy and outrageous.



Bruce Willis wasn't an action star until AFTER Die Hard, right? Before that he was mostly known for Moonlighting, where he was funny and couldn't even throw a punch.

Then I watched Die Hard 2. Next I need to see Die Hard with a Vengeance. I don't know if I'm going to see Live Free. I guess I'll kind of have to now. The Fifth Element was really like the 4th Die Hard anyway, right?

[banzai]

I have never seen:

The Shawshank Redemption
The Usual Suspects
Shindler's List
Gladiator
Braveheart
Amelie
American Beauty
American Psycho
Memento
LA Confidential
Apocalypse Now
Unbreakable
Heat
Seven Samurai
The Untouchables
Breakfast at Tiffany's
Citizen Kane
Boogie Nights
Soylent Green
Donnie Brasco

I especially get crap for Braveheart and Gladiator ALL THE TIME. :(

[Randetica]

I have never seen:

The Shawshank Redemption
The Usual Suspects
Gladiator
Braveheart
American Psycho
Memento
LA Confidential
Apocalypse Now
Unbreakable
Heat
Seven Samurai
The Untouchables
Breakfast at Tiffany's
Citizen Kane
Boogie Nights
Soylent Green
Donnie Brasco

I especially get crap for Braveheart and Gladiator ALL THE TIME. :(

same here
well i saw a few minutes of quite a few movies in your list but thats it
yes. im addicted to channel switching.

[paul jones]

I have never seen:

The Shawshank Redemption
The Usual Suspects
Shindler's List
Gladiator
Braveheart
Amelie
American Beauty
American Psycho
Memento
LA Confidential
Apocalypse Now
Unbreakable
Heat
Seven Samurai
The Untouchables
Breakfast at Tiffany's
Citizen Kane
Boogie Nights
Soylent Green
Donnie Brasco

I especially get crap for Braveheart and Gladiator ALL THE TIME. :(

out of those I haven't seen..
Memento
Seven Samurai
Soylent Green
Donnie Brasco
Unbreakable

[Bob]

I have never seen:

The Shawshank Redemption
The Usual Suspects
Shindler's List
Gladiator
Braveheart
Amelie
American Beauty
American Psycho
Memento
LA Confidential
Apocalypse Now
Unbreakable
Heat
Seven Samurai
The Untouchables
Breakfast at Tiffany's
Citizen Kane
Boogie Nights
Soylent Green
Donnie Brasco

I especially get crap for Braveheart and Gladiator ALL THE TIME. :(

i think gladiator's kind of overrated, even as a "dude" movie. there are way better dude movies out there, if you ask me. see some of the other ones on your list first, i say.

braveheart's pretty cool though. it's 3 hours long but it's surprisingly action-packed, i thought. and i think there's a plot in there too somewhere, i forget, i just watched it to see mel gibson die

[Nuzzolese]

Don't bother with Soylent Green unless you really don't know the ending, and who doesn't?

Unbreakable, Donnie Brasco, and Heat. Are those supposed to be classics or essentials? I bet a lot of people haven't seen those. Have you seen Cool Hand Luke?

[paul jones]

Don't bother with Soylent Green unless you really don't know the ending, and who doesn't?

Unbreakable, Donnie Brasco, and Heat. Are those supposed to be classics or essentials? I bet a lot of people haven't seen those. Have you seen Cool Hand Luke?

where the fuck have you been?(y)

[icy manipulator]

my life wasn't complete until i saw Gayniggers from Outerspace

[paul jones]

my life wasn't complete until i saw Gayniggers from Outerspace

what's it about?

[icy manipulator]

http://imdb.com/title/tt0274518/

Capt. B. Dick: I know you're afraid ArmInAss, but my son- this is just step on the long road to becoming a GayNigger.
Capt. B. Dick: It started when you're father gave birth to you... and who knows, maybe after this mission, you'll get the sign of the brown ring- and can truly call yourself a GayNigger.
Capt. B. Dick: And that's what you've been preparing for since you went to GayAgent School.
ArmInAss: You really think so sir?

starring the great characters
Coco C.P. Dalbert ... ArmInAss
Sammy Salomon ... Capt. B. Dick
Gbatokai Dakinah ... Sgt. Shaved Balls (as Gbartokai Dakinah)

[Bob]

Don't bother with Soylent Green unless you really don't know the ending, and who doesn't?

Unbreakable, Donnie Brasco, and Heat. Are those supposed to be classics or essentials? I bet a lot of people haven't seen those. Have you seen Cool Hand Luke?

i dunno if they're supposed to be classics exactly, but they're those movies that everybody seems to have seen. i dunno much about classics though.

i thought heat was overrated. i love deniro (by mostly coincidence, the past 5 or so movies i've rented have had him in it), but i thought even he was kinda lame in it. and that goatee was gross, i can't stand it when people have goatees, i have trouble with those. and if it's supposed to be a cool action movie, i think it falls kinda short; not enough action in it. but then, i set the bar at die hard, so i guess most action movies fall a little short for me.

then again i was pretty drunk when i saw it, maybe it wasn't as lame as i think.

unbreakable was great though

i've seen cool hand luke once, but it was a while back. i think i remember all the important scenes, though

i've been meaning to see miller's crossing. i watched it once when i was stupid, but i don't think i appreciated it enough, and i only remember a few things from it. i think i need to see that again.

[Drederick Tatum]

Night of the Hunter is awesome.

[mikizee]

Ive never seen any of the Star Wars movies.

Or Empire Records.

[banzai]

Ive never seen any of the Star Wars movies.

Or Empire Records.

get on it.

although, I haven't seen Episode 2 or 3.

[abcdefz]

I hate when classic movies are listed as one of the best movies of all time just because it was the first of its kind, or influenced later movies, or was especially important for its time.

I watched It Happened One Night and In Cold Blood.

They were good, and I understand they were important movies both for audiences at the time and for later movies they influenced. To enjoy them on their own, without real intentional recognition of their cultural significance, they're just decent. That's how you have to enjoy some of these old classic movies. Because they are outdated, I think they can be tedious. And especially with It Happened One Night, they have been so imitated that it's hard to appreciate them just because they were the original or one of the first, or one of the best of the first. Not to say it's bad, because it's very cute.




Boy, I really go "meh" over It Happened One Night.

To me, something's still got to have its entertainment value to be "great." I can watch something purely for historical value (Griffith's Biograph short films, for instance), but just because it "got there first" doesn't mean we have to imbue it with deification or anything.

I'm not sure that cultural context alone should either elevate or level the evaluation of something. Influence it, maybe, in a cultural context, but I think the thing is: does it stand?

So, for instance -- The Big Chill is sort of a rip off of Return of the Secaucus Seven, yeah, but it's better. The acting and camera in Secacus Seven are anywhere from passable to awful, and yet some folks will take a position that SS is better because it did it first.

Yeah, there are reasons to take points off The Big Chill, and you could argue that artistic theft is one of them, but put them side by side and BC is clearly way, way better, its flaws notwithstanding.

I'm semi-convinced of this: you take any piece of art. Does it work, or doesn't it? (Assuming someone has a fundamental ability to "receive" it: eyes to see, ears to hear, or whatever.) As soon as you have to explain the hell out of something to make it work, it's clearly not art to that "receiver." If you're going to argue context for why It Happened One Night is such a revelatory masterpiece, why not argue context for why Birth of a Nation or Triumph of the Will aren't abhorrent?

Education plays into this, too, though -- that's the trick. I don't think art appreciation is objective, but I also don't believe that just because an artistic Neanderthal doesn't "get" Matisse or Ozu or Man Ray doesn't invalidate the work.

[abcdefz]

Night of the Hunter is awesome.



It's kinda painful that Naughton never directed another movie.

[abcdefz]

...as long as we're in this thread -- and yesterday being what it was -- I can't believe you guys haven't seen Bergman's Persona.

Watch the first few non-narrative minutes here (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RLR5_xeqOqM) before the story starts.




































...there is a story, don't worry. :D Just be patient.

[Bob]

get on it.

although, I haven't seen Episode 2 or 3.

you aren't missing much; you're probably better off not seeing them. remember the happy times.

they aren't as bad as episode one, but if that's the strongest praise i can think of for them, then that can't be a good sign.

episode 3 wasn't terrible though. maybe see that eventually. it's cool at least for how they tie it up at the end so that it flows into episode 4.

i wish there were some way to actively FORGET seeing episode one. jesus christ

[Nuzzolese]

Oh come on, you really can't believe we haven't seen a Bergman movie? Maybe if we were film school students it would be an obvious one but network TV doesn't really play much Bergman on Sunday afternoons, does it?

[cookiepuss]

I haven't seen Titanic and I don't intend to.


I can't beleive I haven't seen the Big Lebowski. but I will very soon. it's on my list.

[Bob]

what's a bergman

she was in casablanca right

[banzai]

you aren't missing much; you're probably better off not seeing them. remember the happy times.

they aren't as bad as episode one, but if that's the strongest praise i can think of for them, then that can't be a good sign.

episode 3 wasn't terrible though. maybe see that eventually. it's cool at least for how they tie it up at the end so that it flows into episode 4.

i wish there were some way to actively FORGET seeing episode one. jesus christ

yeah, not really a priority for me. I actually did see parts of Ep. 2, but it wasn't enough to hold my interest for more than a few minutes.

add Big Lebowski to my list, too.

[Bob]

has anyone ever seen the film version of slaughterhouse five? it's one of my favorite books, but i've never heard anything at all about the movie. is it worth watching?

[abcdefz]

It's interesting; partly good.

George Roy Hill directed it, and he's no slouch. He also did Garp and, I think, Slap Shot.

Frankly, I'd take the film version of S5 over the Catch 22 film.

*shrugs*

[hpdrifter]

Slap Shot?!?

I haven't seen that movie for years.

I can't believe I haven't seen

Easy Rider
One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest
Glengarry Glen Ross
American Graffiti
Raging Bull

I know, I am a cinematic idiot. I haven't seen these but I've watched Desperado about 100 times.

[paul jones]

Slap Shot?!?

I haven't seen that movie for years.

I can't believe I haven't seen

Easy Rider
One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest
Glengarry Glen Ross
American Graffiti
Raging Bull

I know, I am a cinematic idiot. I haven't seen these but I've watched Desperado about 100 times.

I can't believe you've never seen those films! SEE THEM YOU MUST!

yeah,I love Slap Shot....I'll have to go and get the dvd I think(y)

[Randetica]

I can't believe I haven't seen

Easy Rider
One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest
Glengarry Glen Ross
American Graffiti
Raging Bull

I know, I am a cinematic idiot.

same here and same here

except for the ofotcn one
one of my favorite movies and jack nicholson was hot in it (y) didnt see the shining though but it's on my to do list

[Bob]

i've been feeling like a bit of a nerd, because i finished my exams last week, and i've been on vacation as of saturday. i have this entire week to do whatever i want, no homework, no exams, no reading, no nothing. so what do i want to do?

i want to watch law movies!

since saturday i've seen

a few good men
...and justice for all
12 angry men

and i've got anatomy of a murder coming tomorrow, and the firm is somewhere on my netflix queue too, but it's towards the bottom, i guess that doesn't count.

12 angry men was really good. i love how the entire movie takes place in one room and, if i'm not mistaken, it's essentially entirely one scene, too. i really don't remember any act breaks, it felt like one continuous scene. maybe it wasn't, i forget. anyway it was great, you should all watch it. even though it's about jurors, not lawyers

i guess it's kind of about lawyers too. you never see them, but their roles in the process are heavily implicated. henry fonda represents the defense de facto

[Bob]

look at me

look at me using terms like "de facto"

what have i become

[hpdrifter]

I love courtroom movies. I haven't seen the Shining either.

Bob, everyone uses de facto in everyday speech. You're fine.

[abcdefz]

i've been feeling like a bit of a nerd, because i finished my exams last week, and i've been on vacation as of saturday. i have this entire week to do whatever i want, no homework, no exams, no reading, no nothing. so what do i want to do?

i want to watch law movies!

since saturday i've seen

a few good men
...and justice for all
12 angry men

and i've got anatomy of a murder coming tomorrow, and the firm is somewhere on my netflix queue too, but it's towards the bottom, i guess that doesn't count.

12 angry men was really good. i love how the entire movie takes place in one room and, if i'm not mistaken, it's essentially entirely one scene, too. i really don't remember any act breaks, it felt like one continuous scene. maybe it wasn't, i forget. anyway it was great, you should all watch it. even though it's about jurors, not lawyers

i guess it's kind of about lawyers too. you never see them, but their roles in the process are heavily implicated. henry fonda represents the defense de facto



Check out The Verdict sometime, Bob. It's pretty good, and Paul Newman's great in it. Lumet directed that one, too. (Along with 12 Angry Men.)

There's a movie that might interest you also called The Paper Chase. Timothy Bottoms and John Houseman are in it. And... Lindsay Wagoner? Someone like that. Anyway, it's about law students and it's not bad. You might get a kick out of it. Showtime turned it into a series in the '80's, and it used to get me really really hyped to go to college and stay up in study groups and write for the Law Review and stuff.

[hpdrifter]

Do you consider My Cousin Vinny a courtroom movie? I like that one.

[hpdrifter]

Btw I watched the first half of Raging Bull on TV last night. Must see the rest of it. That shot of Cathy Moriarty's legs in the water? It must have taken some skill to get that in black and white and bright sunlight. Beautiful.

[abcdefz]

It's a great shot.

What's funny is that when Siskel & Ebert did their "best of the decade" list and got to Raging Bull, they showed that clip, and Siskel kept stuttering on and on about how beautiful "the color! the color!" was. :D

[Bob]

Check out The Verdict sometime, Bob. It's pretty good, and Paul Newman's great in it. Lumet directed that one, too. (Along with 12 Angry Men.)

There's a movie that might interest you also called The Paper Chase. Timothy Bottoms and John Houseman are in it. And... Lindsay Wagoner? Someone like that. Anyway, it's about law students and it's not bad. You might get a kick out of it. Showtime turned it into a series in the '80's, and it used to get me really really hyped to go to college and stay up in study groups and write for the Law Review and stuff.

i've seen the paper chase. i'm a law student, i think it's required that every law student see it at some point. in fact, one of the questions on several of my applications was, "have you seen the paper chase?"

i was smart enough to not watch it until AFTER i started school though. it probably would have given me bad ideas if i'd seen it before coming, but it's not so scary after you've actually had a few months of school.

i've never seen the TV series though

[abcdefz]

The TV series turned (James Hart?) into a kinda law school Alan Alda goofball of sorts, but with a little more testicularity, as Zane would say.

But Houseman hung in for the whole run. I'm surprised it hasn't been on DVD. It lasted about three years, I think. Maybe longer; seems like Hart wound up getting an office just off campus, and a new batch of students sort of became the focus, then it died.

My 17-18 year old version remembers it being good 'til that last season.

[Drederick Tatum]

I just watched 16 Blocks last night. pretty entertaining actually. though seemingly playing a washed up drunk cop, Bruce Willis is basically reprising John Mclane, but when he's a bit tired. Mos Def talks through his teeth the entire film, but is strangely endearing. a little bit sentimental, though a smooth little pursuit film.

not so much 'I can't believe you haven't seen it', rather 'worth a rental/download if you're stuck.'

[Nuzzolese]

16 blocks was actually Die Hard #5, with the 5th Element being Die Hard #4. That Live Free or Die movie with the Macintosh dweeb doesn't count, because I haven't seen it. I can't believe I haven't seen it!

[Nuzzolese]

I can't believe I haven't seen

Easy Rider
One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest
Glengarry Glen Ross
American Graffiti
Raging Bull

I know, I am a cinematic idiot. I haven't seen these but I've watched Desperado about 100 times.

Easy Rider is like the cinematic equivalent of On The Road, in that it is considered a classic and a lot of guys like it, but I think it's way overrated and not worth watching because it's more a product of its time, and has become a sort of joke. My opinion.

I think Raging Bull is another one of those movies every guy has to see, but I didn't enjoy it.

That said, One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest may seem like a total GUY movie of dissatisfaction but I liked it, and I normally HATE the whole 1970s tough-cool-dissatisfied-guys theme.

[Bob]

you hate men, we get it

[Nuzzolese]

It's just that so many movies are totally macho and were made to speak to men about what it's like to be a man, and because of that, they're considered relevant. I like a lot of movies that are really man-ish. I just resent bad movies about tough cool guys being heralded as classic when movies about women are kind of seen as melodramatic. I think I've said all this before, in this thread even, and I don't mean to keep driving it into the ground, making myself sound like a super feminist.

[Drederick Tatum]

yeah well, you should've thought about that before you became a super feminist.

[Nuzzolese]

I only hate most men.

[hpdrifter]

It's just that so many movies are totally macho and were made to speak to men about what it's like to be a man, and because of that, they're considered relevant. I like a lot of movies that are really man-ish. I just resent bad movies about tough cool guys being heralded as classic when movies about women are kind of seen as melodramatic. I think I've said all this before, in this thread even, and I don't mean to keep driving it into the ground, making myself sound like a super feminist.

I think this is right on. And I agree with you 100%. If you look at the AFI's top 100 films of all time most of them are in this vein.

That said, I think some of these represent really good filmmaking and a good film is a good film.

I have seen most of the female-driven movies so they don't end up on my list.

You know what is a wonderful movie, totally ahead of its time:

Now, Voyager

Wonderful film. If you haven't seen it, you must. I mean now, you won't regret it.

[Lyman Zerga]

i hate most girlie movies even more

[Bob]

Check out The Verdict sometime, Bob. It's pretty good, and Paul Newman's great in it. Lumet directed that one, too. (Along with 12 Angry Men.)


i watched the verdict tonight, i liked it a lot, though i think i need to watch it again, i feel like i missed a few things (i impersonated paul newman in other words i'm drunk)

but it's kind of interesting, in that in some ways it's the exact opposite of 12 angry men, but in other ways, it's very similar. 12 angry men showed you nothing of the trial, or what the lawyers did, it focused entirely on the jury deliberations, and it was the jury deliberations that delivered justice (presumably, you can't actually know, which is a very clever thing about the movie) on the case.

the verdict is the exact opposite. they show you everything that the lawyers do, both inside and outside of court, but they show you nothing that the jury does. but in the end, (WARNING THIS IS A SPOILER SO IF YOU HAVE A BURNING DESIRE TO SEE THE VERDICT, STOP READING) it's the actions of the jury, which take place completely during a cutaway, that lead to justice being done. i guess this lumet guy has a lot of faith in juries

that's very optimistic of him (http://www.beastieboys.com/bbs/showthread.php?t=81687)

[Bob]

also, what are some good george c. scott movies? (preferably lawyer ones but i'll take whatever)

i've seen him in dr. strangelove (great), anatomy of a murder (great), and patton (maybe a little less great, my attention kind of started to waver throughout)

any other classics i should be aware of?

[Otis Driftwood]

, anatomy of a murder (great)
The Perlinger movie? Haven't watched it yet, but once I have an evening for myself I will. Watching noir movies always turns out better for me than watching contempary movies...
I'd bet you like 12 angry men.

[Bob]

I'd bet you like 12 angry men.

i did, i actually mentioned it earlier in the thread

the more i think back about the movie though, the more i realize how much i like it. there are so many subtle things about it that make it great

i mean, there's the obvious plot elements that make it every interesting, and the underlying social commentaries (jurors putting their personal prejudices before the interests of justice, like juror # 3, with his son, or the racist one, or the one who can barely admit that he's wrong), but there are subtle commentaries too. maybe i just noticed it because i'm a law student, but all the arguments that henry fonda was making, they were obvious arguments that the defense lawyer ought to have been making, only he apparently didn't. i mean, it was a case where there was obviously so much doubt, only so few jurors had any doubt, i dunno, i thought that was interesting. either he was a bad lawyer, or he was just stretched too thin, being a court appointed lawyer, to give the case the attention it deserved.

but beyond that, i think the way the whole plot focused on the whole "reasonable doubt" element was extremely clever. it's not that henry fonda was at all sure that the kid didn't commit the crime, it's just that he wasn't completely sure that he did, and that's what the movie revolved around. and so, at the end (SPOILERS, AS THOUGH THE END WASN'T GOING TO BE OBVIOUS FROM THE BEGINNING), they enter a verdict of not guilty, but there's still doubt in you, the viewer's, mind as to whether or not the kid actually did it...well it's just a really good movie

[Bob]

also, what are some good george c. scott movies? (preferably lawyer ones but i'll take whatever)

i've seen him in dr. strangelove (great), anatomy of a murder (great), and patton (maybe a little less great, my attention kind of started to waver throughout)

any other classics i should be aware of?

furthermore to this question, what are some classic sidney lumet movies? i loved 12 angry men, i just watched dog day afternoon (if you haven't seen it i can't believe you haven't), and i just found out he directed network, which i also love.

what else should i see?

[Bob]

and a related question: any excellent al pacino movies? i like him a lot in the few earlier movies that i've seen (dog day afternoon, and justice for all); before he just started playing himself in every movie. i'm about to add serpico to my queue (1973, sidney lumet, al pacino, that's a lot of things going for it right there), what else?