View Full Version : use your fucking turn signals
jabumbo
07-09-2007, 05:52 AM
biggest driving pet peeve right there man
mikizee
07-09-2007, 06:52 AM
Ha. Its funny that this thread has appeared today. I was standing on the side of the road today waiting to cross and I saw a white sedan coming, with its left indicator stuck on. I thought to myself 'I bet thats an old lady', and sure as eggs as the car approached there was this little old lady who could barely see over the steering wheel, with big thick glasses. She continued on down the road with the blinker still on, a car pulled out right in front of her because they thought she was turning, and she honked them!!!!!!
What is it with old people and leaving your turn signal on???!!!!!
QueenAdrock
07-09-2007, 07:01 AM
What I love is when people leave their signal on for like, two miles, and then they decide that they actually DO want to get over, and you have no way of knowing because that idiot's had it on for the past 4 minutes! And naturally they don't check their mirrors because that would require them to pull their head out of their ass, so they just slowly drift over and cut you off and when you honk at them, they just give you the "What? I had my turn signal on!" shrug.
Fucking DC drivers. They can all kiss my ass.
paul jones
07-09-2007, 09:11 AM
I've got a theory on people who do this: they're cunts
QueenAdrock
07-09-2007, 09:24 AM
Or on their cell phone and not paying a goddamn bit of attention.
Fuck, I hate people who insist on talking on their phone when driving. What's worse is I met a girl who TEXTS when she's driving. What the hell people? Remember what you did before cell phones? You waited to get home to call people. If someone calls me when I'm driving, I don't pick up, or I pull over to the side of the road and call them back, or I'll pick up really quick and tell them I'll call them back as soon as possible. It's astounding to me that some people will just have chatty conversations because they're bored and in the car. Fucking hang up and pay attention to what you're doing, and blabber to your girlfriends later. God.
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abcdefz
07-09-2007, 09:42 AM
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insertnamehere
07-09-2007, 10:08 AM
i dont see talking on the cell phone as inherently bad when driving, it depends a lot on the person. its the same as talking to someone riding in the car with you, essentially. i know a girl who drive shitty when someone else is in the car because it makes he pay less attention to driving, but i think most people are fine having passengers. really people should just take the responsibility of acting accordingly when they know whether or not they can handle talking to someone or not.
having a hand full or using hands free i dont see as much of an issue. ive heard lots of people bitch because of a story similar to something like "this douchebag rear ended me and he was on the phone! hands-free devices should be mandatory!"
he did not fail to hit the break with his foot because of the fact something was in his hand. he failed to hit the break because he's an idiot. I don't think it's so much the case with my generation, but I know myself and most people older than I learned to drive a manual transmission, and that leads to not keeping both hands on the wheel at all times. Being used to that, I have an automatic now, but i still tend to sit left hand on the wheel, right hand on the seat/my lap/the thing that makes it go from park to reverse to drive. True in some extreme situation this could lead me to have less control of the wheel, but I see that situation as unlikely, and if I feel like I'm going to get into some trouble I can always put my hand back on the wheel. Not that it matters much. My tires are so worn down that I can't exactly "stop" when the roads are wet. Anyone want to buy me new tires?
QueenAdrock
07-09-2007, 10:30 AM
Numerous studies have said that talking on the phone while driving (hands-free included) has the same effects as drunk driving. I'm sure that there are people out there who can drive when they're drunk and still be okay, I just don't want to take that chance.
There are natural distractions in the car, like having passengers. But just because we sometimes have to deal with those kinds of distractions doesn't mean that we should add to the problem. Sometimes you can't avoid having people in the car, but you should be responsible about it - tell them to pipe down if you're trying to merge in traffic or change lanes, it's what I do to cut down on being distracted. And I just don't talk on the phone at all, because that too is a distraction. Anything anyone can do to reduce the risk of being preoccupied and end up in an accident is a good idea. The fact of the matter is, more and more people don't care because it's become common place to chit-chat on your phone. It's a sad day when I can pick out the cell phone drivers on the road based solely on how slow they're going and how much they drift unknowingly.
abcdefz
07-09-2007, 10:36 AM
It's a sad day when I can pick out the cell phone drivers on the road based solely on how slow they're going and how much they drift unknowingly.
...a typical day, I'm afraid.
As a bike guy, I'm always watching drivers for physical cues -- have they glanced in this direction or that, etc. Nine times out of ten, if it's someone on their cell phone, they aren't looking both ways before they turn at a red light.
The amount of cars that just plain cut me off is probably about equal, though -- I assume that's because it's harder to absolutely ignore another object on the road if you've driven up behind it. You can still be rude, but at least it's intentional.
beastieangel01
07-09-2007, 12:50 PM
people who don't use turn signals, be it if I'm waiting to turn right and I COULD HAVE GONE if they had their damned signal on. But what pisses me off more is when they cut me off. I could have EASILY let you in if you had a turn signal on you fucking prick. Instead you almost caused an accident because I had to slam hard on my brakes to make sure I didn't hit your ass when you swerved in to the lane.
people who are going slower than the speed limit IN THE FUCKING FAST LANE bother me too.
and when cars all going the same speed take up every fucking lane, agggggh.
befsquire
07-10-2007, 01:42 AM
exactly what crystal said, only in all caps.
hitmonlee
07-10-2007, 01:57 AM
What is it with old people and leaving your turn signal on???!!!!!
they can't hear the clicking noise of it so forget it is on
i busted my dad leaving it on the other day, he has awful hearing so if he isn't looking at the little turn signal in the car, and has forgotten to turn it off he can't tell it is still on.
i don't know how to drive, but as a pedestrian, cars not indicating is one of my major pedestrian hates. its like they dont see any other cars so they figure they don't have to indicate. HOW ABOUT THE FACT I AM CROSSING THE ROAD AND YOU ARE ABOUT TO RUN ME OVER BECAUSE YOU DIDNT INDICATE YOU WOULD BE TURNING INTO THE ROAD I AM CROSSING, YOU ASSCLOWN.
i don't know how to drive, but as a pedestrian, cars not indicating is one of my major pedestrian hates. its like they dont see any other cars so they figure they don't have to indicate. HOW ABOUT THE FACT I AM CROSSING THE ROAD AND YOU ARE ABOUT TO RUN ME OVER BECAUSE YOU DIDNT INDICATE YOU WOULD BE TURNING INTO THE ROAD I AM CROSSING, YOU ASSCLOWN.
yeah that's basically what prompted me to make this thread. i don't drive anymore myself, but i'm tired of cars not signaling their turns, and then waiting impatiently as i cross the road. it's retarded. i'm a cautious guy, i look around before i cross, i look to see if there are any cars turning, but if they aren't using their signals, i can't really know, so fuck them.
trailerprincess
07-10-2007, 06:05 AM
I am a dreadful pedestrian. I ought to have been run over countless times. I just completely drift in my own bubble and pay no attention to traffic. It's terrible:(
marsdaddy
07-10-2007, 06:12 AM
Talking on the cellular is so much less distracting than having two kids screaming at the top of their lungs.
Just admit you dislike people in general, and are looking for reasons, and act accordingly -- I have.
I am a dreadful pedestrian. I ought to have been run over countless times. I just completely drift in my own bubble and pay no attention to traffic. It's terrible:(
To the left, to the left.
trailerprincess
07-10-2007, 08:26 AM
To the left, to the left.
haha! Yes, you know what a liability I am :( Though I think I only got my left and right confused once (or twice)
abcdefz
07-10-2007, 08:33 AM
As if to prove the point, the guy who cut me off yesterday afternoon (speeding ahead to turn right in front of me; me braking to a halt to avoid collision) was a thoughtful fellow talking on a cell phone.
Numerous studies have said that talking on the phone while driving (hands-free included) has the same effects as drunk driving. I'm sure that there are people out there who can drive when they're drunk and still be okay, I just don't want to take that chance.
There are natural distractions in the car, like having passengers. But just because we sometimes have to deal with those kinds of distractions doesn't mean that we should add to the problem. Sometimes you can't avoid having people in the car, but you should be responsible about it - tell them to pipe down if you're trying to merge in traffic or change lanes, it's what I do to cut down on being distracted.
Then why can't you tell someone you are on the phone with (hands free) to hold on as you merge or change lanes?
The studies with hands free cell phone talking having the same effects as drunk driving sound ridiculous. If that was really the case then they would have to make muzzles mandatory in cars.
QueenAdrock
07-10-2007, 09:20 AM
If you're going to tell them to hold on, why not tell them that you can call them back? It's rude to keep telling people to hold on while you're on a device that is used solely for talking, so I sincerely doubt most people say such things. If they did, I'm sure we would have much less incidents of jackassery on the road.
As for the drunk driving studies, go ahead and read them yourself:
http://news.com.com/8301-10784_3-6090342-7.html
http://web.utah.edu/unews/releases/05/feb/cellphones.html
If you're going to tell them to hold on, why not tell them that you can call them back? It's rude to keep telling people to hold on while you're on a device that is used solely for talking, so I sincerely doubt most people say such things. If they did, I'm sure we would have much less incidents of jackassery on the road.
As for the drunk driving studies, go ahead and read them yourself:
http://news.com.com/8301-10784_3-6090342-7.html
http://web.utah.edu/unews/releases/05/feb/cellphones.html
Then when you have a passenger in the car and tell them to "pipe down" then why don't you just tell them to hold on until you get to your destination to carry a conversation? I see it as pretty much the same thing. And anyone that considers it rude when you tell them to hold on because you are driving is a moron. On the phone or if they are in the car.
If talking on the phone with a hands-free device is so dangerous, then it is just as dangerous to have a conversation with someone in the car. Actually it is probably more dangerous to have a conversation with someone there because you are more likely to take your eyes off the road for eye contact with whoever you are having the conversation with. If you are on the phone (hands free of course) then you aren't going to be making any eye contact which will allow you to keep your eye on the road.
As for the studies....if it has been "proven" to be as dangerous as driving drunk....wouldn't they have banned all forms of cell phone communication in vehicles country wide? I would think so.
I feel like we have done this before.
abcdefz
07-10-2007, 10:00 AM
Little by little, laws are falling into place, but it's a a bell that's difficult to unring.
Just like how alcohol is legal and pot is not (in the States). It has everything to do with established business, lobbyists, and money and nothing to do with public welfare.
adam_f
07-10-2007, 10:02 AM
Originally posted by QueenAdrock
What's worse is I met a girl who TEXTS when she's driving.
You would fucking hate me then.
Little by little, laws are falling into place, but it's a a bell that's difficult to unring.
Just like how alcohol is legal and pot is not (in the States). It has everything to do with established business, lobbyists, and money and nothing to do with public welfare.
Fair enough, but yet some states have hand held cell phones while driving bans. But I guess that could be like the decriminilazation of pot in some states.
abcdefz
07-10-2007, 10:35 AM
Fair enough, but yet some states have hand held cell phones while driving bans. But I guess that could be like the decriminilazation of pot in some states.
Hand-held-while-driving is an easy one. I'd really like no-applying-makeup-while-driving, also. Thanks.
The hands-free law goes into affect in California in January, I think.
I'm not sure I see no-handheld-phones equating decriminalization of pot. Did I misunderstand? Can you explain that?
Ideally, the presumably-safest environment for a person to operate a vehicle in would be something in which all attention -- and all applicable sensors (sight, hearing, etc.) -- were on the road. (Yup -- no car stereos, no TVs in cars, no reading maps [as opposed to "referring to directions"] while driving, etc.) Passing a law against talking on a cell phone makes more pragmatic sense than, say, banning children from the back seat unless bound and gagged.
Anyone who challenges that using a cell phone isn't a distraction should consider this: obviously it is a distraction if, like a junkie, you can't "not do it whenever you want." All of the no-cell-phones laws I know of have loopholes for emergency use. So if a person just can not keep themself from using a cell phone for a non-emergency call for a pretty reasonable investment in public safety, I'd say it's a distraction. Kind of like leaving work an hour early because, dammit, happy hour's calling!
QueenAdrock
07-10-2007, 11:18 AM
Then when you have a passenger in the car and tell them to "pipe down" then why don't you just tell them to hold on until you get to your destination to carry a conversation? I see it as pretty much the same thing. And anyone that considers it rude when you tell them to hold on because you are driving is a moron. On the phone or if they are in the car.
If talking on the phone with a hands-free device is so dangerous, then it is just as dangerous to have a conversation with someone in the car. Actually it is probably more dangerous to have a conversation with someone there because you are more likely to take your eyes off the road for eye contact with whoever you are having the conversation with. If you are on the phone (hands free of course) then you aren't going to be making any eye contact which will allow you to keep your eye on the road.
As for the studies....if it has been "proven" to be as dangerous as driving drunk....wouldn't they have banned all forms of cell phone communication in vehicles country wide? I would think so.
I feel like we have done this before.
No, they would not ban cell phone communication countrywide. It's a county by county decision whether or not to do it, and a lot of places have done it already. Washington D.C. for one. But just because something can be harmful to your health doesn't mean it'll be banned. Take smoking indoors. It's a county by county decision too. There's no doubt that second-hand smoke can be very damaging to your lungs, but there's no nationwide ban on smoking indoors because there are lots of people that are going to be opposed to it, because they're addicted to cigarettes and want to smoke when they're out at restaurants.
And yes, I've already said that conversation with people in the car can be dangerous. But sometimes it's unavoidable to have people in the car, and sometimes they'll talk. The sole purpose of them being in the car isn't to chit-chat with them though, the purpose is to get them to the same destination as you, so sometimes it's necessary to have them there. People should exercise caution if they have people they're talking with in the car, and avoid blabbering on to them instead of paying attention to the road, too.
On the other hand, the only purpose for a cell phone is for talking. Cell phones aren't necessary, whereas sometimes passengers are. If you can cut down on ANY distractions, it's for the best, but I'm especially for cutting down on the unnecessary distractions. I agree, if you're on a cell phone, you SHOULD tell them to hold on while you're driving, but then what's the point of being on a cell phone if you're just going to tell them you can't talk and have to pay attention to the road? If it's a simple "I'm driving, I'll call you back," or if it's an absolute emergency, I understand people getting on their cell phones. Majority of the time, people don't use it because they NEED, they use it because they WANT to. And that's what makes driving dangerous.
If you had responsible drivers that DID tell people to hold on while they're driving and they needed to pay attention, or people that only used the phone when it was absolutely necessary, it wouldn't be a problem. But due to human nature, it is a problem, since people don't do that. So that's why I'm for a ban. People are too stupid to be responsible with cell phones, which causes accidents on the road.
I'm not sure I see no-handheld-phones equating decriminalization of pot. Did I misunderstand? Can you explain that?
I think I was saying that yes, you are right, sometimes laws do take time to get put into action. But I was just pointing out how its just odd how some laws make certain things illegal to a certain degree instead of 100%. Like hand-held vs. hands-free (in some places). Which is kind of like how possession of a 'personal' amount of ganj is ok compared to larger amounts of it in certain states/counties/what have you.
Nothing really about phone and pot laws having something to do with each other, but rather that the laws about them are similar in certain places and situations (I think I'm starting to confuse myself).
abcdefz
07-10-2007, 12:39 PM
I think I was saying that yes, you are right, sometimes laws do take time to get put into action. But I was just pointing out how its just odd how some laws make certain things illegal to a certain degree instead of 100%.
That's kind of what I think about stuff like abortion or gay marriage. It's like, look... either this stuff is legal or it's not. The "legal and rare" thing Clinton advocated is ridiculous. If it's a legal choice, why does it need to be rare? :confused:
No, they would not ban cell phone communication countrywide. It's a county by county decision whether or not to do it, and a lot of places have done it already. Washington D.C. for one. But just because something can be harmful to your health doesn't mean it'll be banned. Take smoking indoors. It's a county by county decision too. There's no doubt that second-hand smoke can be very damaging to your lungs, but there's no nationwide ban on smoking indoors because there are lots of people that are going to be opposed to it, because they're addicted to cigarettes and want to smoke when they're out at restaurants.
I was saying, that if the links you posted before were true, and that if talking on a hands-free phone was as dangerous as drunk driving, then why wouldn't it be illegal? Something as serious as drunk driving is illegal nationwide. Right? If they are saying that the two are just as bad as each other, then why wouldn't it be a nationwide thing?
Most people have to work and a majority of them have to commute to work which puts them on the road (at least to my knowledge). That is totally different then someone CHOOSING to go out to a restaurant that might expose themselves to second hand smoke. Yes they are both choices, but one is a lot more easier to avoid than the other.
And yes, I've already said that conversation with people in the car can be dangerous. But sometimes it's unavoidable to have people in the car, and sometimes they'll talk. The sole purpose of them being in the car isn't to chit-chat with them though, the purpose is to get them to the same destination as you, so sometimes it's necessary to have them there. People should exercise caution if they have people they're talking with in the car, and avoid blabbering on to them instead of paying attention to the road, too.
On the other hand, the only purpose for a cell phone is for talking. Cell phones aren't necessary, whereas sometimes passengers are. If you can cut down on ANY distractions, it's for the best, but I'm especially for cutting down on the unnecessary distractions. I agree, if you're on a cell phone, you SHOULD tell them to hold on while you're driving, but then what's the point of being on a cell phone if you're just going to tell them you can't talk and have to pay attention to the road? If it's a simple "I'm driving, I'll call you back," or if it's an absolute emergency, I understand people getting on their cell phones. Majority of the time, people don't use it because they NEED, they use it because they WANT to. And that's what makes driving dangerous.
How is it sometimes unavoidable? Can't they take their own car? Or a cab? Or public transportation? Sure it would be more inconvenient, but anything to avoid extra distractions while driving right?
If talking on a hands-free cell phone is such a distraction that CAN be avoided, so can having a passenger in the car with you.
So I'm voting for one person to a car, no cell phones, and no radio.
abcdefz
07-10-2007, 01:03 PM
I was saying, that if the links you posted before were true, and that if talking on a hands-free phone was as dangerous as drunk driving, then why wouldn't it be illegal? Something as serious as drunk driving is illegal nationwide. Right? If they are saying that the two are just as bad as each other, then why wouldn't it be a nationwide thing?
...I didn't read Queen's particular linked articles, but the term I hear cited is that it's equal to alcohol-impaired driving.
Why isn't it already illegal? Probably because it's a relatively recent phenomenon, plus there's good money out there trying to make sure it doesn't become illegal. Plus it would inconvenience powerful people, some who, ahem, still can't even be bothered with seat belts, for instance, ahem.
abcdefz
07-10-2007, 01:16 PM
I just need both hands free to beat off.
Well.... one and a half.
paul jones
07-10-2007, 01:22 PM
I just need both hands free to beat off.
Well.... one and a half.
so..........you're the one causing all those accidents
QueenAdrock
07-10-2007, 01:28 PM
My point is, just because it's dangerous doesn't make it illegal. People should be free to drive where they want to (regardless if they "have to" for a job or whatever), without the fear of being hit by someone yapping on their cell phone. They should be able to visit friends, drop their kids off at school, go see their relatives, without having the danger of irresponsible drivers yapping on their phones. Just like I think if people want to go out to restaurants or bars, they should be able to do so without having their lungs polluted with smoke they didn't ask for. Yes, technically both can be avoided and you CHOOSE to do both, but it'd be a pretty shitty life if you stayed away from both because you're afraid of dying. It's up to our lawmakers to make life easier for everyone, make sure we're safe, and make sure we're not exposed to harmful things. Thus smoking in bars being equated to talking on the phone while driving - they're both things that can make everyday, normal life dangerous. Yet because the powers that be may be bought off by certain companies, you won't see either banned nationwide.
And sometimes it is unavoidable to have passengers. How about children? They're loud, and a distraction, just like marsdaddy said. They can't drive on their own, nor be let onto public transportation alone. They need to be passengers.
Either way, going on a road test to get your driver's license, you have to drive with a passenger, so you have to prove to the state you're in that you're physically able to drive with someone else in the car with you. Same with the 80 hours in Maryland you need to do to earn your driver's license. You have to have someone in the car with you, an instructor for 40 hours, and your parent for another 40. They take you through all weather conditions, and you have to prove you're able to drive adequately through all of it, WHILE they're yelling directions at you. I'd argue that having someone bark orders at me while I'm driving was one of the biggest distractions I'd ever have. But I learned how to deal with people in the car, how to tune them out when I need to and how to listen to them when I need to, all while driving. My driver's license shows I know how to drive with people in the car.
There simply are no studies to equate passengers to hands-free cell phones, it's all speculation. I personally think it's easier for people to tune out or ignore passengers than it is someone on the cell phone, solely because you're expected to either pay attention to the person on the end of the line or hang up and call them back when you can, which means people are more distracted by cell phone conversations. Either way, if you learn to drive with passengers, if you absolutely feel like you must be able to drive while yapping on the phone, prove it to someone that you're able to first, because I've seen more than my share of assholes who have absolutely NO ability to do so.
paul jones
07-10-2007, 01:37 PM
on the subject of bad driving I need to play my GTA vice city stories now. I've done both Kill Phil missions where the gangs try and kill Phil collins
abcdefz
07-10-2007, 01:37 PM
so..........you're the one causing all those accidents
I can't be responsible for rubberneckers.
abcdefz
07-10-2007, 01:39 PM
Interesting.
Were you driving a truck near Cosmo's place about two weeks ago?
No yo.
My biggest driving pet peeves are the people who feel compelled to stare at you as you pass them/they pass you.
IT'S BULLSHIT!!
befsquire
07-10-2007, 05:20 PM
i talk on my cell phone when i drive. if traffic gets too bad or crazy, i hang up. i usually answer my phone regardless of traffic conditions.
of course, i believe i'm a very good driver.
paul jones
07-10-2007, 05:32 PM
My biggest driving pet peeves are the people who feel compelled to stare at you as you pass them/they pass you.
IT'S BULLSHIT!!
fuckin right! What are they looking at!,they need to look away!(y)
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