Vick Indicted in Dogfighting Ring

[Yeti]

In the indictment they state that Vick killed dogs he deemed non-profitable by drowning, hanging, electrocuting, shooting and throwing them onto the ground.
What a derelict.

[afronaut]

who?

[Bob]

some football dude i think

[EN[i]GMA]

Ah, Ron Mexico, how far you've fallen.

[Yeti]

He played for Virginia Tech and is now with the Atlanta Falcons.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2940065

[Suavee-Bolo]

some football dude i think


LOL

[insertnamehere]

People like that should be executed. I love pit bulls, and not only do retards like that give them a bad name, causing them to be feared and hated and all kinds of bad things that go along with it, but what they do to the dogs is torture. The dogs are severely abused to make them mean, the fights are brutal (like, dogs get their jaws ripped off sometimes), and often one or both of the dogs in the fight, if not killed fighting, will have to be killed because they're so fucked up.

Now I feel that I need to share a few facts with people while on the subject:
1)Pit bull refers to several different "bully breed" types of dogs. I won't go into it, but basically theres 3 different breeds you can call a pit bull

2)They're very sweet, great family animals, and are actually one of the least human-aggressive breeds of dogs (which means they're more reluctant to bite people)

3)Originally bred for bull and bear baiting, they are used not because they are particularly aggressive (their reason for attacking is to make their owner pleased with them rather than because they like to hurt/kill things) but for their "gameness" which is basically determination to continue a task until it is finished no matter what. Supposedly back in bull baiting days, a man has his dog who has recently had puppies attack a bull, then cut her legs off one a a time, the whole while she kept hanging on to the bull, until she bled to death. The puppies, I'm sure, sold great.

4)The pit bulls that "turn on their master" are probably being abused and have good reason

5)You hear more about pit bull bites because their jaws are massive, and they do do a lot of damage, so the instance of people getting bitten by pit bulls and toy poodles could be the same (or hell, poodles even higher), but nobody goes to get stitches for a toy poodle bite

6)People are dumb. There are something like 15 breeds of dogs that ignorant people will often call a pit bull when it is not. So if little Joey gets bitten by a neighborhood dog and it has a big head or cropped ears, someone will probably tell the authorities it was a pit bull. Then the news papers have to let everyone know that there are monstrous killer pit bulls on the loose.

[Suavee-Bolo]

Just recieved this e-mail from a fantasy football website I subscribe to.

Atlanta Falcons quarterback Michael Vick was indicted Tuesday by a federal grand jury on charges related to illegal dogfighting.
Vick and three others are charged with competitive dogfighting, procuring and training pit bulls for fighting and conducting the enterprise across state lines.
The dogfighting operation was named "Bad Newz Kennels," according to the indictment, and the dogs were housed, trained and fought at a Surry County, Va., property owned by Vick.
The indictment alleges that the 27-year-old Vick and his co-defendants began a grisly dogfighting operation in early 2001 in which dogs fought to the death - or close. Losing dogs were sometimes killed by electrocution, drowning, hanging or gunshots.
If convicted, Vick and the others - Purnell A. Peace, Quanis L. Phillips and Tony Taylor - could face up to six years in prison, $350,000 in fines and restitution.

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This is exactly what the league and the Falcons did not want to see. It's obviously early here and we'll have more on this as it develops but clearly this is going to be a big issue for Vick. The question will be how quickly things move. If the legal process drags along, the league will be forced to take either a "wait and see" approach or an "act now" approach. We will hopefully know more here soon on that. One thing is for certain though - it looks like the value of Joey Harrington just
went up on Atlanta.

[Yeti]

Vick is bust in fantasy football not to mention life. He lynchs perfectly healthy dogs for goodness sakes.

[Suavee-Bolo]

Dogs' in the Kennel.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VW0dhh_Aj6A&eurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww%2Eprofootballtalk%2Ecom%2Fru mormill%2Ehtm


I'm going straight to hell in a bucket,
but at least I'm enjoyin the ride.

[Yeti]

It is a Zoo here today in downtown Richmond. A little over 300 people are allowed in court. They have blocked 3 roads downtown for satellite trucks and protesters.

This was on a blog......
How early did you need to get to the courthouse to be first in line today? 5 a.m.
ESPN paid three local college students to get there early and hold places.
“It was dark and lonely” when they got to the courthouse, said 25-year-old Virginia Felipe-Morales, a senior in international studies at the University of Richmond.
She wouldn’t say how much ESPN was paying them, but it was “enough to be here.”
Further down the line, The Associated Press had 2 placeholders who got $50 to stand in line.
“A guy from Y-101 offered me a Nintendo Wii,” said placeholder Michael Scarberry, 17, “but he didn’t have it with him, so I said no.”

[Suavee-Bolo]

Details of the Indictment...

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2007/football/nfl/07/17/dohrmann.vick/index.html

Indictment against Vick describes unfathomable acts
Posted: Tuesday July 17, 2007 11:41PM; Updated: Tuesday July 17, 2007 11:41PM

During an April raid of Vick's property in Virginia, authorities seized 66 dogs and equipment commonly used in dog fighting.
AP
RELATED
• Falcons 'disturbed' by news of Vick indictment



By George Dohrmann, SI.com

The indictment handed down Tuesday against Falcons quarterback Michael Vick and three others describes in detail how they procured a property in Virginia for the purpose of staging dogfights, bought dogs, and then fought them there and in several other states over a six-year period. With at least three cooperating witnesses providing the details, federal authorities compiled a detailed case that traces the birth and rise of Bad Newz Kennels.

But not a single line in the 18-page indictment will generate more rage toward Vick and the others charged -- Purnell A. Peace, Quanis L. Phillips and Tony Taylor -- than a sentence near the end. It reads: "In or about April of 2007, Peace, Phillips and Vick executed approximately eight dogs that did not perform well in 'testing' sessions at 1915 Moonlight Road by various methods, including hanging, drowning and slamming at least one dog's body to the ground."

In interviews I conducted for an earlier story on the subculture of dogfighting and Vick's involvement, several experts described to me the process of "rolling" dogs. Owners take young dogs, usually puppies, and put them in an enclosed area and see how they react. They prod the dogs and urge them to get angry. If a dog shows aggression toward another dog, that's a positive. If a dog is timid, it is useless. Some fighters give away puppies that don't show the required "gameness." Other owners don't bother with the trouble of finding them a home and simply kill them.

Vick and his three associates, according to the indictment, fall in the latter category. Federal investigators allege that Vick is a murderer of dogs who weren't willing to fight for his enjoyment. Even worse, his actions appear more sinister than most professional dogfighters.

"If you want to kill a dog, why exert the energy to slam him into the ground or drown him? Why not just shoot him, which is the most common method?" says John Goodwin, dogfighting expert for the Humane Society of the United States. "That is insane. These guys, if they did that, have serious problems."

Vick's problems would seem to be plentiful now that he has gone from a person of interest in local and federal investigations to one of four men charged in U.S. District Court in Richmond, Va. with conspiracy to commit interstate commerce in aid of unlawful activities and to sponsor a dog in an animal-fighting venture. On the Travel Act portion of the conspiracy charges, he faces a maximum of five years in prison and a $250,000 fine. The dogfighting charges carry a possible sentence of one year in prison and $100,000 fine or both.

Still, even with the gravity of the crimes alleged, Vick's most serious problem would seem to be one of perception. If one believes the allegations against him, Vick is neither a novice dogfighter nor or a hobbyist who dipped his toe into the sport briefly. The indictment alleges that Vick is a professional dogfighter who"sponsored" more than two dozen dogfights. He is not, as he previously said, someone who merely trusted the wrong people. Rather, he is the face of a bloodsport that the majority of NFL fans probably didn't know existed until the property he owned on Moonlight Road was raided in late April. And, now, he becomes the ultimate test for NFL commissioner Roger Goodell and his new discipline policy.

"We expect the Falcons and the NFL to take prompt action," Goodwin says. "The message needs to be sent to other athletes who have been involved or are involved in dogfighting that this can be a career ender."

It remains to be seen how the Falcons or the NFL will act, but if they read all 18 pages of the indictment, one can be sure they will no longer give Vick the benefit of the doubt.

According to the indictment, Vick, who was also known as "Ookie," and the three others set out to start a kennel of American Pit Bull Terriers for the purpose of fighting them around 2001. Around May of that year, the indictment states that Taylor picked the property on 1915 Moonlight Road near Smithfield, Va., and Vick paid $34,000 for the land. In that same year, Vick and the other three men began acquiring fighting dogs, purchasing animals in Virginia and other states. There were four dogs from an individual in North Carolina, another dog bought in New York, and six dogs and six puppies from an individual in Richmond, Va.

According to the indictment, in Sept. 2001, Vick and two others purchased four pit bulls puppies, including a male named "Magic" for $1,000 from an individual who has since testified before the grand jury. In 2002, Vick, accompanied by Peace, purchased four pit bulls from another person in Virginia who the indictment says is now a cooperating witness for the government.

The indictment states that in early 2002, the quartet established "Bad Newz Kennels" and even obtained shirts and headbands that "promoted their affiliation" with that organization. They also began renovation of the Moonlight Road property: building a fence to shield the portion where dogfights allegedly occurred and sheds to house the dogs and training equipment. They buried car axles in the woods so they could tie the dogs to them.

Around the summer of 2002, the four men began "rolling" dogs, according to the indictment. At that time, Peace, Phillips and Taylor each killed at least one dog that proved to be a poor fighter. Peace shot a dog with a .22 caliber pistol. Phillips also shot a dog. Taylor, the indictment alleges, executed at least two dogs that didn't test well, shooting one and electrocuting at least one other.

Federal investigators say the quartet began attending fights as early as 2002, and in that year, Vick is first said to have sponsored a fight, between "Zebro" and "Maniac" at the Moonlight Road property for a purse totaling $2,000.

One of the more detailed descriptions of a fight involves a bout in March 2003. A professional fighter, now cooperating with the government, traveled from North Carolina to a location near Blackstone, Va., with his 35-pound female pit bull and a 47-pound male pit bull. The purse was $13,000 a side for the fight involving the female and $10,000 for the fight between the males. According to the indictment, Peace and Vick "represented" Bad Newz Kennels at those fights, which Bad Newz Kennels lost. "Peace, after consulting with Vick about the losing female pit bull's condition, executed the dog by wetting the dog down with water and electrocuting the animal," the indictment reads.

The fate of the male dog owned by Bad Newz is not mentioned in the indictment, but it does state that following that fight, "Vick retrieved a book bag containing approximately $23,000 in cash" and gave it to the winning owner, who is listed as "Cooperating Witness #2" in the indictment.

There are other allegations like those, other unfathomable acts. At times, the indictment can be difficult to read. Vick allegedly got into dogfighting in 2001 and fought dogs as recently as April. In other words, federal investigators say he's been a dogfighter as long as he's been an NFL quarterback.

After reading and rereading the allegations against Vick, it's easy to imagine a future where he is neither.


Sounds like the Feds have some key witnesses.
I hope the court comes down with vengeance and furious anger, and destroy Ookie's future.

[Suavee-Bolo]

Here's some ridiculous online petition to have Vick removed from the NFL.
http://www.petitiononline.com/mod_perl/signed.cgi?mvick07&1



Some of the quotes are hilarous...


1737.Mike Vick's Waterbottle There was weed in the bottle.

1729.Marcus Vick And I thought I was the dum one.

1728.Michael Strahan Get this man out of the NFL and into my bed!

1717.Matt Schaub When he tried to feed the dog I'm betting he underthrew the bone

1715.Long Dok Dong Why he kill dog and then no eat? He got rid of perfectly good #9 Szechuan special

146.Jim Mora Jr. He ruined my career!

1706.wiffleball If Michael Vick were in Korea right now, he'd be an Iron Chef!

1701.stinky butt I took a sh!t once and wiped my a$$, and the toilet paper looked like Michael Vicks face!!!!!!!!!

1698.Warrick Dunn Well, at least I have a better shot of leading the team in rushing yards

1690.Iraqi Information Minister There are no pit bulls being killed. This is a fabrication by the devils who wish to see us fail. Praise Allah!

1681.Meryl Steep I think what he did was justified. Maybe a dingo ate his baby. Revenge is a dish best served cold.

1680.Jack Noff What's the difference between a Cadillac and a pile of dead pitbulls? I don't have Cadillac in my garage.

1679.Dix E. Normus How do you make a dead pitbull float? Take your foot off his head.

1668.Dirty Sanchez Something just smells bad about this whole thing.

[cookiepuss]

of course they have to be making this a racial issue now.

apparently most of the animals rights people protesting at his court appearance were white and the people there calling for due process and a fair trial were black.:rolleyes:


yeah they don't get it. those white animals right people would have been there if vick was a white guy...or a purple guy or and orange guy. Animals right activist will go nuts on ANY HUMAN BEING who harms animals. Honestly I've never known PETA to back off a white supermodel wearing fur because she white. they make one disticntion : human or animal. that's it.

people are fucking rediculous.

[marsdaddy]

What's worse is I hear he's hanging with Lindsay Lohan lately, too.

[Yeti]

Developing Story----Michael Vick is negotiating a deal for a plea bargain in his dogfighting case, The Atlanta Journal-Constitution reports.

Wow, if he pleas he will at least get 1 year in the slammer.

[Yeti]

It now sounds like all his buddies will turn state's evidence on him if he takes the case to trial.

Today, they are reporting that Vick was involved in hanging pit bulls and when some did not die he pushed their heads in a bucket of water until they drowned.
http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/law/08/17/vick/index.html

He will probably take a plea deal and get 12 to 18 months.

[DIGI]

PROBABLY being the key word. What the fuck, man!? Wasn't he supposed to decide to take the plea or not by 9 am this morning?:confused:

[RobMoney$]

I'm just waiting for him to take the deal and offer up some phony-balogney excuse to explain it all away.
He will become the victim somehow.

[Yeti]

PROBABLY being the key word. What the fuck, man!? Wasn't he supposed to decide to take the plea or not by 9 am this morning?:confused:


The Grand Jury does not convene until Tuesday so I think the deadline has moved.

He is finished. Who wants the QB leading their team to be a mentally deranged freak? He hanged dogs so he really borders on being retarded.

[DIGI]

WHOA, WHOA, WHOA!!!!!!!!!!

He ALLEGEDLY borders on being retarded.

[Randetica]

damn i so wish i could be a part of the jury

[DIGI]

damn i so wish i could be a part of the jury

for room service?

[abcdefz]

Looks like he's taking the deal (http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/law/08/20/vick/index.html).

[g-mile7]

Jail time 4 excuting the dogs but dogfighting's common in southern culture.Whats seen as taboo is "accepted" down south.Shame cuz rumor is he has been round it since his youth;thus,why he couldnt leave it alone.He trully is a product of his enviroment&its a shame that he made such a mistake only amplified by his celebrity.Humans played God by breeding all these different dogs,creating these genetic defects in the poor animal who have NO choice in the matter,yet get upset over another with a God complex.

[DIGI]

Fuck him. I somewhat agree with you about his environment, but I have to believe that somewhere down the line in the past 10 years, someone close to him had to let him know that what he was doin could cost him dearly and he chose to proceed anyway. Plus, if no one knew, that's only incriminating him further cuz he knew he was doing wrong and didn't want it to get out. I mean, come on, you're gonna hang, electricute, and drown dogs and not have the faintest idea that what you're doing is fucked up?? He was betting on shit and now he's gonna get fucked for it.

[g-mile7]

I agree; thus, why I said he needs to be punished 4 executing the dogs. It is hard to realize what U are doing is wrong when you been around that type of enviroment. Im just showing the other side to this story. He will serve time, pay a fine and lose the lifestyle he was blessed with: the NFL, endorsements, all that is gone...and thats punishment enough. His life is effectively over.

[Alli]

One guy who snitched on him compared the dog fighting to UFC. What a moron. Since when did the dogs make a choice to fight? It's people like these that make cities like Denver ban breeds which only hurts the dogs in the end. People will still get pit bulls cause they are "thug dogs" illegally then AC takes them and has to put them down. Or they get transferred to other cities where no one adopts them because most homeowners insurance will not insure you with a bully breed and most landlords won't rent to you for that reason. The breed isn't a problem, its the shitty breeders and terrible owners. Any large dog and some small ones too can inflict lethal damage. However it's only the bull type dogs that make the news. What a poor and lousy situation for the dogs who have no choice in any of this.

[RobMoney$]

I think he got involved in dog fighting because it's a status symbol.
It's like owning a Bentley, a 9mm., a sleeve of tattoos, or a diamond encrusted Jacob watch.
He did it because he wanted his boys to think he was cool.


People are raised around a lot of illegal stuff, dog fighting, drug dealing, domestic violence, Alcohol & Drug abuse...there's a million and one "Hustlers" with a million and one different kinds of "Hustles" that kids are exposed to in the enviorment they are raised in. It doesn't mean that they don't understand that what they see is wrong and illegal. I disagree that just because he may have been exposed to it in his youth that somehow excuses him from participating and bankrolling an entire organization.
He was the highest paid QB in the NFL, and on the face of the planet for that matter. It's hard to imagine that at some point he didn't realize that maybe as a person who people have invested millions of dollars in, to work for their companies, that maybe I shouldn't be electrocuting and hanging dogs in my spare time.

The funny thing about it is that I heard he was just as big a loser in the dog fighting business as he was as an NFL quaterback. According to the indictment, he lost tens of thousands of dollars on a single fight, many times over. And they had some of the opposing dog owners he lost to, ready to testify against him.

[RobMoney$]

I'm just waiting for him to take the deal and offer up some phony-balogney excuse to explain it all away.
He will become the victim somehow.

Jail time 4 excuting the dogs but dogfighting's common in southern culture.Whats seen as taboo is "accepted" down south.Shame cuz rumor is he has been round it since his youth;thus,why he couldnt leave it alone.He trully is a product of his enviroment&its a shame that he made such a mistake only amplified by his celebrity.Humans played God by breeding all these different dogs,creating these genetic defects in the poor animal who have NO choice in the matter,yet get upset over another with a God complex.

1. You seem like your making excuses for him, like he's just a victim of his enviorment. That's lame.


2. Did you mean the dogs get upset over another with a God complex? Could you please explain what that comment meant, you kind of lost me there.

[Yeti]

Vick's prison yard team will kick Burt Reynold's teams ass.

[Lyman Zerga]

1. You seem like your making excuses for him, like he's just a victim of his enviorment. That's lame.

i agree

[g-mile7]

i agree

Theres a difference between being a product of your enviroment&being a victim.Hes not a victim,obviously,but when your around a certain enviroment 4 so long your perception of right or wrong becomes skewed.Im sure some people on here suffer from similar delusions not to mention "play the victim".

I said he deserves 2 go to jail,a small bit cause he wasnt humble in the time leading up to this.I think that points being ignored just because I see his sides argument

[g-mile7]

It is a fuckin shame that someone, let alone a Black man, with such talent and blessings fucked up. Its a shame that dogs were tortured like this. He is going to be punished more than enough 4 his mistake and thats more than enough. He had a God complex, he enjoyed the power, but people saying he should be killed...they have that same chip on their shoulder. C'est la vie mona mie...and I agree with Yeti :p

[Lyman Zerga]

jail? too good for him

with age you should start using your own brain or you are not worth shit and this guy isnt even worth the shit under my toenails

the things he did are way worse/cruel than the things rob would ever do well thats what i hope anyway haha

[RobMoney$]

the things he did are way worse/cruel than the things rob would ever do well thats what i hope anyway haha



"ZOMG ROBMONEY'S A RACIST"



Please don't compare me to that piece of garbage, M. Vick.

[Lyman Zerga]

"ZOMG ROBMONEY'S A RACIST"



Please don't compare me to that piece of garbage, M. Vick.


thats what im talkin about!
he gives out excuses for someone who doesnt deserve to breath while he jumps on someones back who ummm deserves to breath

[Yeti]

Apparently Stephon Marbury thinks dogfighting is a sport----

Stephon Marbury on Monday defended Michael Vick and said the Falcons quarterback, who the same day pleaded guilty to a federal dogfighting conspiracy charge, "is a good human being."
"We don't say anything about people shooting deers and shooting other animals, you know what I mean?" Marbury said in an interview that was aired by Capital News 9 in Albany. "From what I hear, dogfighting is a sport.
http://www.newsday.com/sports/basketball/ny-spmarbury225341227aug22,0,2293856.story

[Lyman Zerga]

i say something about this people too like hunters are a waste of shit

[abcdefz]

with age you should start using your own brain





Yep.

I can't buy the "I'm a product of my environment" stuff, as if that takes away free will, responsibility, accountability, etc.

Let's say that "I'm a product of my environment" has stripped you of compassion for people and animals, common sense, and some sort of
moral compass. Your "environment" still includes laws which aren't exactly obscure, and, if nothing else, your survival instinct should tell
you that if you trespass those boundaries, you stand to lose a certain amount of property, respect, and/or liberty.

If it follows that whatever horror you witnessed in your upbringing -- your household, your neighborhood -- entitles you to commit the same
offenses (perceived or not) with no obligation to society, then when we discover a child being molested, we should probably just euthanize
the kid, right? That, or give the kid a "free molestation" card for life.

And kids who suffer domestic abuse directly or not get to beat their spouses and kids without reprisal. People who are stolen from have a
license to steal -- wow! this sounds like fun!

[insertnamehere]

I'm from the south, and yeah dog fighting goes on, but I'd hardly say it's culturally acceptable. Im sure the vast majority of people have never seen it. My dad works with a guy that, someone took him to a dogfight once, and he didn't know what it entailed, so he went. He said it was horrific, what the dogs did to each other and what the people did to the dogs. He said one dog got its jaw ripped halfway off, then the guy went and beat the shit out of the dog for losing, then shot it, as it was too hurt to be of any value anymore. He left the whole thing adequately disturbed, as any normal person should be after seeing something like that.

gmile, I have to argue with you on another point. With very few cases... I won't say it never happens but I've sure never seen it, dog aren't born "bad". It's not a result of genetic defects. They are bread to be strong, have huge jaws, and a win or die trying attitude, but it's how they're raised that matters. Loads of physical and mental abuse is what makes dogs that are dangerous to people dangerous to people. A pit bull raised like you're supposed to raise a dog is actually less likely to bite people than many other dogs.

I just wanted to throw that in there in case anyone on the board was one of the "pit bulls are evil we should kill them all" types.

[abcdefz]

I think it's fairly well known that you have to specifically train dogs for that type of fighting. I doubt that anyone just lucks into a dog, whatever the breed is, who happens to be the Seabiscuit of dog fighting, or whatever. I'm sure that, like a lot of animals, once they smell blood, it's pretty much foregone that they're going to make meat, but I'm not sure that any breed of dog is, on the offensive, cannibalistic, are they? I know wolves eat their own, but isn't it usually one that's wounded, and there's some element of starvation involved?

Anyway.

I hear about how pit bulls can be great pets and so on, which is cool. The thing is, any animal -- whether parakeet or cat or human or elephant -- can suddenly go off on another animal "without provocation." So when it's very strong animal versus a much less strong animal, things get scary. A toddler gets mauled. A gym teacher is attacked in her apartment hallway. The guy feeding the elephant is stomped.

Some animals are no-brainers to ban from domestic situations -- no alligators, no sharks. Others, like pit bulls, are tricky. I know that if some dogs show aggression, they can be court-named as dangerous animals and must be muzzled and kept on a leash, etc. That might protect people -- who I think are the most important species, so no argument there -- but I don't know what kind of a life it is for an animal or what kind of animal it is for an owner.

That part is difficult.

[Lyman Zerga]

they should let puddles do those dog fights

one would spray some french perfume into the eyes of the other puddle, the other one would gently pull its partners sexy locks

"oh pull harder you naughty little thing you"

*gay hand pose*


ok im sorry *goes to bed*

[abcdefz]

they should let puddles do those dog fights




Ha ha ha ha -- I thought you were talking about that comic strip girl's dog. Not "Cathy" -- that other one.

[DIGI]

It is a fuckin shame that someone, let alone a Black man, with such talent and blessings fucked up. Its a shame that dogs were tortured like this. He is going to be punished more than enough 4 his mistake and thats more than enough. He had a God complex, he enjoyed the power, but people saying he should be killed...they have that same chip on their shoulder. C'est la vie mona mie...and I agree with Yeti :p

Gmile, you're a cool guy, but WTF, man? Maybe it's because I've grown up around dogs (lab retrievers), but I can't honestly see any type of common sense in this post. One, being a black man should have nothing to do with it. Two, have you read the affidavit of ALL the shit he did to these animals (rape post)? I see what you mean about being the product of your environment, but fuck, that only goes so far. I've heard countless interviews on radio shows from people who went to Virginia Tech with him and know of him being mixed up in dogfighting even in his college days. It's not only the fact that I feel he should do the maximum sentence just for the torture and execution of these dogs, but this mother fucker was pretty much the kingpin of an interstate dogfighting ring and was financing it for years. To take the most loyal and trusting animals on this planet and transform them into killing machines and execute a large number of them is barbaric and now with Portis, Marbury, and Roy Jones Jr. coming out and saying that the way he's being treated in unjust and that dogfighting is a "sport" is just simply retarded. If he wouldn't have taken this plea bargain, he would be looking at god knows how many years in prison. Federal charges, state charges (for every state he's associated with in dogfighting), gambling charges, etc. and you think he's being punished more than enough for doing time in a medium security prison for 12 months? Fuck that.

[RobMoney$]

Yeah, I was really put off by G throwing race into the topic too. Vick is not the victim here.

[Yeti]

http://www.theonion.com/content/from_print/nfl_reports_strong_sales_of

[Lyman Zerga]

Gmile, you're a cool guy, but WTF, man? Maybe it's because I've grown up around dogs (lab retrievers), but I can't honestly see any type of common sense in this post. One, being a black man should have nothing to do with it. Two, have you read the affidavit of ALL the shit he did to these animals (rape post)? I see what you mean about being the product of your environment, but fuck, that only goes so far. I've heard countless interviews on radio shows from people who went to Virginia Tech with him and know of him being mixed up in dogfighting even in his college days. It's not only the fact that I feel he should do the maximum sentence just for the torture and execution of these dogs, but this mother fucker was pretty much the kingpin of an interstate dogfighting ring and was financing it for years. To take the most loyal and trusting animals on this planet and transform them into killing machines and execute a large number of them is barbaric and now with Portis, Marbury, and Roy Jones Jr. coming out and saying that the way he's being treated in unjust and that dogfighting is a "sport" is just simply retarded. If he wouldn't have taken this plea bargain, he would be looking at god knows how many years in prison. Federal charges, state charges (for every state he's associated with in dogfighting), gambling charges, etc. and you think he's being punished more than enough for doing time in a medium security prison for 12 months? Fuck that.

yeah i absolutely agree! even with the edit reason

[Lyman Zerga]

Ha ha ha ha -- I thought you were talking about that comic strip girl's dog. Not "Cathy" -- that other one.

maybe i should start using dictionaries again haha

puddles = poodles

[abcdefz]

Yeah -- I wasn't being critical (this time); "Puddles" was seriously the first thing I thought of.

From Luann (http://www.cafepress.com/luann/343632).

Yeah, I read too much of the comics page.

[Lyman Zerga]

yeah thats also my excuse (y)

[MC Moot]

Everything is forgiven,he's found Jesus....now if he'll just let me know exactly where my favourite Hebrew is...well....we can get him a haircut and shave before he tackles war and famine.....the son of god,that is...not the pig skin chuckin piece of southern fried trash....(y)

[AznAlice]

I agree; thus, why I said he needs to be punished 4 executing the dogs. It is hard to realize what U are doing is wrong when you been around that type of enviroment. Im just showing the other side to this story. He will serve time, pay a fine and lose the lifestyle he was blessed with: the NFL, endorsements, all that is gone...and thats punishment enough. His life is effectively over.

That's another perspective on it but I stil think he needs to be punished for those dogs. I feel so bad for dogs like those.

[abcdefz]

Moments ago on CNN:

Virginia grand jury indicts Michael Vick on new dogfighting charges, prosecutors announced.