20 years of Appetite for Destruction

[Kid Presentable]

What more can be said? Classic. Barring Think About You.

The only coup left for Bob Geldof is to get these guys together on a stage again to make little to no difference to the environment. I'd hope it would be with Steven on the drums.

[abcdefz]

Lord, we sold a ton of AfD cassettes.

[Kid Presentable]

Amen.

[Drederick Tatum]

I see you posting there, you think you're so cool. why don't you just...fuck off.

[YoungRemy]

I used to do a little but a little wouldn't do it, so the little got more and more...

[hitmonlee]

i still listen to some of it nearly every day (y)

(my phone can only fit like 4 songs so i chose guns n roses for some reason)

[Knuckles]

It still rips(y)

[Kid Presentable]

^^^Fuck yes it does. Hands down in my top 3 driving albums.

[Rock]

Does anyone remember them playing a show that was taped for Mtv? I think it was at the Roxy back in the late 80's or early 90's.

Axl was rocking the Harley Davidson suspenders...and it was before the Use Your Illusions came out and had them doing a cover of Knockin' On Heavens Door.

Does this sound familiar to anyone?

If yes, does anyone know where I can get a copy of the audio?

And fuck yeah to Ape tit. Probably one of my Top 10 albums.

[mikizee]

So now is about the time that I remind people that I was backstage at the GNR show a coupla months back, and had a nice chat with Axl.

I RULE

[abcdefz]

Does anyone remember them playing a show that was taped for Mtv? I think it was at the Roxy back in the late 80's or early 90's.

Axl was rocking the Harley Davidson suspenders...and it was before the Use Your Illusions came out and had them doing a cover of Knockin' On Heavens Door.

Does this sound familiar to anyone?

If yes, does anyone know where I can get a copy of the audio?




MTV? Maybe. Was that the same TV gig where they played "I Used to Love Her..."? It was kind of a big deal to have a copy of that back before Lies came out.

[TAL]

It was The Ritz in 1988.

[Rock]

It was The Ritz in 1988.

YES! Thats the one. I was expecting them to play that well live when I saw them on the Use Your Illusion Tour, but no such luck.

[TAL]

They played Knockin' On Heaven's Door during the whole Appetite tour. So it wasn't anything special just for MTV.

[Kid Presentable]

I found a clip of their performances at a farmers benefit in 1990. Just before they kicked Steven out of the band. They do a cover of 'Down on the farm' and air out 'Civil War' for the first time. Pretty much the beginning of the end.

[ericlee]

welcome to mcdonalds
may I take your order please
we've got everything ya want
even big macs with cheese

welcome to mcdonalds
we serve millions day by day
where you'll learn to eat like an animal
and we've got a playground for your kids to play

At mcdonalds
welcome to mcdonalds
gonna serve you a big mac and
cha cha cha cha cha cheese, cheese
mrrrggggh mmmmm. I want another one please!

[mikizee]

Haha classic I just sang that out really loud and my housemate heard me from the other end of the house, now hes on the floor wetting his pants with laughter.

[mickill]

Rocket Queen is seriously the BEST closing track to any rock album EVER.

Next to A Day In The Life. And Voodoo Child. And possibly Rock N Roll Suicide. And When The Levee Breaks, as well.

Moonlight Mile and You Can't Always Get What You Want are pretty decent, too, I suppose. And Train In Vain.

Does Purple Rain count?

Rocket Queen definitely rules, though.

[yeahwho]

This is one of those stories that really baffles me. GnR had so much potential and all the right players with the perfect sound then they just fizzled. Dudded. Took a dump.

I am of the belief that money and fame actually ruined this band. Either that or they were a gigantic fluke. Or perhaps "right sound/wrong time".

Seems as if they should of had 5-8 classic albums.

[Knuckles]

^
Yeah, they had all the right ingredients for more great albums.


They also had all the right ingredients for a complete implosion.

[Kid Presentable]

They left their mark, though. Most blonde girls aged under 21 at my uni look like a young Duff McKagan. They rock his haircut, at least.

The last 'true' G n R performance (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ES_XzmDKAc). They reckon Steven Adler had never played Down on the Farm before. He's a bit wobbly on the beat, but for someone junked out of his brain he does well.

Izzy still comes out on stage to play one or two songs for the new Gunners.

[DroppinScience]

Even though I liked the albums, probably the "Use Your Illusion I & II" albums was the beginning of the end for them. Kinda got too pompous and meandering that GNR would never quite be able to recapture that reckless abandon. Having said that, I think "The Spaghetti Incident?" was pretty underrated. Those were some good covers!

[TAL]

I don't have a single GnR song. Can't stand Axl's voice. The music is great, but his voice just ruin it for me.

[Savage Jimmy]

wow its been 20 years since that piece of shit came out? DAMN.... if only it had been a few years later... i coulda stopped it.

[Kid Presentable]

wow its been 20 years since that piece of shit came out? DAMN.... if only it had been a few years later... i coulda stopped it.

Well, you lost.

[Drederick Tatum]

wow its been 20 years since that piece of shit came out? DAMN.... if only it had been a few years later... i coulda stopped it.


1: The Offspring
2: Blink-182
3: Goldfinger
4: Rancid
5: Dropkick Murphys
6: The Clash
7: The Distillers
8: NOFX
9: The Bouncing SOuls
10: Leftover Crack

.

[Kid Presentable]

It's so Easy is my favourite track on the album. I had no idea who was singing it when I was a kid. Axl's 'other' voice was quite a revelation in those days.

[BangkokB]

That's one of those bands that I liked some of their songs but generally hated the fans

My Michelle is one of my all time favorite songs though...Nice story behind it

And "I smoke my cigarette with style" is a classic lyric(y)

[DroppinScience]

Originally Posted by Savage Jimmy View Post
wow its been 20 years since that piece of shit came out? DAMN.... if only it had been a few years later... i coulda stopped it.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Savage Jimmy View Post
1: The Offspring
2: Blink-182
3: Goldfinger
4: Rancid
5: Dropkick Murphys
6: The Clash
7: The Distillers
8: NOFX
9: The Bouncing SOuls
10: Leftover Crack

Well, The Clash ARE better than GNR, but holy crap, that's a miserable Top 10 list.

[Rock]

The acoustic version of You're Crazy on Lies is fucking great.

Appetite is a pretty solid album. Great opener, and great closer. It flows pretty good.

The only song I can't get down with anymore is Paradise City, but thats because i've heard it 1000 times too many.

[BeticoCM]

thats the album with the drawing of a chick being presumably raped in the inside of the cover by some flying alien thing?
aside from that, it was a very, very good album.

[Kid Presentable]

thats the album with the drawing of a chick being presumably raped in the inside of the cover by some flying alien thing?
aside from that, it was a very, very good album.

That was meant to be the cover.

[Drederick Tatum]

I think the flying alien thing is supposed to be rescuing her.

[Knuckles]

I think the flying alien thing is supposed to be rescuing her.

Yeah, that damn robot was the one who violated her.

[Documad]

You know when it all went south? When Axl did that interview with Rolling Stone where he talked about being molested. As I was reading it, I thought "this band is never going to make another good album."

By the way, Appetite was another one of those albums that all of my friends HATED and I secretly listened to on a regular basis. That whistle in Paradise City was pure genius.

[saz]

"immigrants and faggots, they make no sense to me, they come to our country, and think they'll do as they please. like start some mini iran,
or spread some fuckin' disease. they talk so many goddamn ways, it's all greek to me."


i don't know how anyone in their right mind could enjoy and support this.

[Kid Presentable]

"immigrants and faggots, they make no sense to me, they come to our country, and think they'll do as they please. like start some mini iran,
or spread some fuckin' disease. they talk so many goddamn ways, it's all greek to me."


i don't know how any in their right mind could enjoy and support this.

Shhhhh

[Rock]

Don't be a Faggot.

[saz]

so you're a homophobic biggot?

[DroppinScience]

"immigrants and faggots, they make no sense to me, they come to our country, and think they'll do as they please. like start some mini iran,
or spread some fuckin' disease. they talk so many goddamn ways, it's all greek to me."


i don't know how anyone in their right mind could enjoy and support this.

That song isn't on "Appetite for Destruction," and besides, I don't think anyone takes "One in a Million" seriously.

[saz]

i could care less if it's not on said album. and don't for a minute try to brush off, gloss over, excuse, or turn a blind eye to the fact that rose is a worthless white trash racist piece of garbage.

[DroppinScience]

i could care less if it's not on said album. and don't for a minute try to brush off, gloss over, excuse, or turn a blind eye to the fact that rose is a worthless white trash racist piece of garbage.

Well, I've heard Axl Rose claim it's role playing (a la Eminem when he goes on homophobic rants in songs), but I don't know if he's that smart to pull that off.

Nevertheless, "Appetite for Destruction" is one of the greats and that's that.

[saz]

that's just b.s. the guy is a dirtbag.

well, if a white trash 80s hair rock band floats your boat - leather pants and all - go nuts.

[Drederick Tatum]

Greg Ridley wore leather pants.

anyway, the Axl Rose as white trash douche bag is part of the whole thing. you're not supposed to like him, the dirtbag/outlaw bit is part of the image. to what degree this was a conscious decision and not just their own personality coming through is endlessly debatable. they're all scumbags who don't really care about anyone but themselves.

equating listening to the music as supporting such statements is also pretty ridiculous. I think this all might be part of your slight Nirvana attachment.

[Documad]

i could care less if it's not on said album. and don't for a minute try to brush off, gloss over, excuse, or turn a blind eye to the fact that rose is a worthless white trash racist piece of garbage.

I agree with everything you're saying. It's why I didn't buy another GNR album after Appetite. I still have to say that I liked Appetite when it came out and I think it sounds more fresh today than most of the other hit albums released that year.

I am glad that you're standing up against the slurs in rock lyrics. Axl also used to beat on women. He's a complete shit.

[Bob]

Don't be a Faggot.

this was the original title for "licensed to ill", wasn't it?

could swear i heard it on some documentary

(that was the joke you were making, right? even if it wasn't say yes)

[Kid Presentable]

so you're a homophobic biggot?

Yes. Isn't it obvious? Ask my wife.

[saz]

Greg Ridley wore leather pants.

true. and he always had bad hair. but the pie didn't have that reactionary, degrade women/white trash element.


anyway, the Axl Rose as white trash douche bag is part of the whole thing. you're not supposed to like him, the dirtbag/outlaw bit is part of the image. to what degree this was a conscious decision and not just their own personality coming through is endlessly debatable. they're all scumbags who don't really care about anyone but themselves.

my beef is only really with rose. i don't really know anything about the other members of the band. but i have to give respect to slash who doesn't want to reform the group, and as i understand it, doesn't want to have anything to do with rose.


equating listening to the music as supporting such statements is also pretty ridiculous. I think this all might be part of your slight Nirvana attachment.

good guess but you're wrong. they never appealed to me. ditto all of that 80s cheese hair rock. all of the reactionary, ignorant dirtbags in primary and high school loved them off. you know, the angry white guys, who loved working on and talking about cars and car engines, bitched about immigrants, and how things and the times were so hard for white people. overtly sexist reactionary 80s cheese was just never for me.

Yes. Isn't it obvious? Ask my wife.

that reply wasn't for you.

[Kid Presentable]

Then it must be for the Beastie Boys. The tale of musicians saying and doing stupid (very stupid) things in their 20s is not a new one.

[TurdBerglar]

are you grouping gnr and whitesnake into the same group?

[DroppinScience]

are you grouping gnr and whitesnake into the same group?

Yeah, GNR has nothing to do with Poison, Whitesnake, etc. They're the anti-hair metal band.

[Rock]

this was the original title for "licensed to ill", wasn't it?

could swear i heard it on some documentary

(that was the joke you were making, right? even if it wasn't say yes)

yes. i don't know how anyone in their right mind could enjoy or support a band that would consider having that as an album title.

[saz]

but they didn't go with that title. and they renounced their old juvenile sexist ways. and i haven't listened to or really cared for them for years.

[Kid Presentable]

but they didn't go with that title. and they renounced their old juvenile sexist ways. and i haven't listened to or really cared for them for years.

Off you go, then.

[Bob]

but they didn't go with that title. and they renounced their old juvenile sexist ways. and i haven't listened to or really cared for them for years.

they did renounce their old ways and profusely apologized for them, but at the time i think the only reason they changed the title is because columbia wouldn't release the record if they didn't (and thank god for that; imagine "don't be a faggot" being in their discography today...now it's only trivia)

[Yetra Flam]

didn't they put a hat on slash so the fans wouldn't know he was half black?

[Drederick Tatum]

follow up question. what tracks, if any, from Use Your Illusion make it onto Appetite for Destruction?

Double Talkin' Jive? Right Next Door to Hell? Locomotive, if it wasn't 9 minutes long? loads of tracks are over 7 minutes so that puts them out of contention nearly automatically.

[Drederick Tatum]

I'd say Perfect Crime would definitely make it. in place of Think About You.

[Kid Presentable]

The Garden.

[Humiliation]

A shit rock band with a homophobic annoying twat of a frontman who fired the only thing remotely good about his band (ie the rest of it) so they could create a better one.

I hat GnR so much its ridiculous. Thank god nirvana got rid of most of this kind of music ack

[Kid Presentable]

Nirvana is fucking overrated.

[TurdBerglar]

way overated. but still a good band.

[Rock]

I don't think any of the songs off of the other albums would have worked. They lack that raw rock feeling that was on appetite. Not saying that I don't like a good amount of songs off of those two albums, but yeah....i don't think they would fit, everything was too crisp.

[bigblu89]

This is one of those stories that really baffles me. GnR had so much potential and all the right players with the perfect sound then they just fizzled. Dudded. Took a dump.

I am of the belief that money and fame actually ruined this band. Either that or they were a gigantic fluke. Or perhaps "right sound/wrong time".

Seems as if they should of had 5-8 classic albums.


Totally agree. They caught lightning in a bottle for like 5 years and jsut kicked a rediculous amount of ass.

Start to finish, track for track, Appetite is the greatest Rock N Roll Album Ever.

[saz]

(y)

A shit rock band with a homophobic annoying twat of a frontman who fired the only thing remotely good about his band (ie the rest of it) so they could create a better one.

I hat GnR so much its ridiculous. Thank god nirvana got rid of most of this kind of music ack

[Drederick Tatum]

is he saying Velvet Revolver are better than Guns n' Roses?

[Humiliation]

is he saying Velvet Revolver are better than Guns n' Roses?

yes, though neither are that great really

And yes nirvana is overrated but still better than GnR.

Plus rock album is more suiting than rock n roll (to be anal). When i think rock i think pearl Jam (to some extent) Led Zeppelin and so on, when i think rock n roll i think more chuck berry or even something like Eagles of Death Metal.

[Knuckles]

Plus rock album is more suiting than rock n roll (to be anal). When i think rock i think pearl Jam (to some extent) Led Zeppelin and so on, when i think rock n roll i think more chuck berry or even something like Eagles of Death Metal.

Your user name is very fitting for your posts in this forum.

[Humiliation]

Your user name is very fitting for your posts in this forum.

thank you for your wise and intellectual comments

[Kid Presentable]

Nobody here is supporting a homophobic racist redneck of a lead singer. Nobody is calling themselves fans of this band (Knucks made me the sick avatar, it's the least I can do to rock it for 12 months). People are acknowledging that this is as close to a perfect rock album many will find in the modern (read: the 80s) era. It's one of those albums that stays with you.

It's not about the views of the lead singer, and it's not about liking any one thing the group stood for; it's about the point in time where 5 people made a kick-ass record. Stop being so pretentious.

[saz]

pretentious.....right. so according to that line of argument then, one could excuse the lyrical content of say a neo-nazi skinhead band, ie 'forget about the lyrics and the views of the band members, it's all about the music and the album'.

if people think gnr are so great and they made such classic rock albums, then they either have pretty crummy taste or haven't been exposed to many other great bands. but then again i could also argue that it isn't really fair of me to blame the average listener, because the music/rock media seems to forever be on this gnr nostalgia trip, when they need to get over it already.

[Kid Presentable]

pretentious.....right. so according to that line of argument then, one could excuse the lyrical content of say a neo-nazi skinhead band, ie 'forget about the lyrics and the views of the band members, it's all about the music and the album'.

if people think gnr are so great and they made such classic rock albums, then they either have pretty crummy taste or haven't been exposed to many other great bands. but then again i could also argue that it isn't really fair of me to blame the average listener, because the music/rock media seems to forever be on this gnr nostalgia trip, when they need to get over it already.

Idiot.

Aside from those dodgy lines in One in a Million, there's nothing really over the top (by rock standards) about their lyrics. And that song isn't even on Appetite for Destruction. Plus it's artistic license. A neo-Nazi skinhead band is a rubbish analogy, because those bands are spewing a doctrine, and are appealing to followers of that doctrine. The music is definitely an afterthought in that case. But way to be melodramatic.

I don't even think G n R are that great, but I rate this album. Making an assumption about what I've been exposed to or enjoy is ridiculous. And music journalism is unforgivably revisionist , and full of sycophants. If you don't like the album, fuck off and go cry about something else to people who give a shit about anything you've got to offer. Do you think you're really going to turn anybody off this record? So far the only taste you demonstrate is an affinity for posting shit.

And your name rhymes with nazi lol lol skinhead oi oi

[saz]

Idiot.

excuse me? you have to resort to hurling insults because i have a different opinion than yours? seriously, not everyone is going to love-off gnr. so get over it.



Aside from those dodgy lines in One in a Million, there's nothing really over the top (by rock standards) about their lyrics.

so what. as i already stated before, don't try to blow it off or gloss over it.



And that song isn't even on Appetite for Destruction.

as i already stated before, i could care less if said song is on that album.


Plus it's artistic license. A neo-Nazi skinhead band is a rubbish analogy, because those bands are spewing a doctrine, and are appealing to followers of that doctrine.

so axel rose wasn't spewing his own doctrine in regards to black people, gay men, and immigrants in one in a million? so it's "artistic license" when rose spews his hatred, but it's a "doctrine" when a neo-nazi skinhead band spew their hatred. now, that sounds more like a "rubbish analogy".


The music is definitely an afterthought in that case. But way to be melodramatic.

no, it's called making a clear point which you've failed to refute.


I don't even think G n R are that great, but I rate this album.

then perhaps i'm mistaken, but it seems that you've posted about them quite a bit before. and you're getting awfully defensive about them.


Making an assumption about what I've been exposed to or enjoy is ridiculous.

and that's why i posted: "but then again i could also argue that it isn't really fair of me to blame the average listener, because the music/rock media seems to forever be on this gnr nostalgia trip, when they need to get over it already".


And music journalism is unforgivably revisionist , and full of sycophants. If you don't like the album, fuck off and go cry about something else to people who give a shit about anything you've got to offer.

why don't you just grow up and deal with the fact that this is a public internet forum, and you're just going to have to deal with the opinions of others who you may not agree with. seriously, just get over it. there's all sorts of crap posted on here all the time that i don't agree with, or just can't stand. i just roll my eyes, deal with it, and move on. and it's rather ironic that you stated "go cry about something else", when in fact you're the one who is obviously been disturbed and/or disrupted by the opinions of someone else.


Do you think you're really going to turn anybody off this record? So far the only taste you demonstrate is an affinity for posting shit.

did i state anywhere that my intention was to "turn anybody off this record"? no i didn't. again, i'm just voicing my own thoughts and opinions. and again with the irony, regarding "posting shit": you're hurling insults in my direction because i have been pointing out rose's biggotry.


And your name rhymes with nazi lol lol skinhead oi oi

wow. so, is that supposed to be a burn? anyways i had my original username shortened, which refered to an extinct native american tribe.

[TurdBerglar]

shut the fuck up

[Kid Presentable]

If you want to live in a cabbage patch where people don't say or do bad things, that's one thing. But to equate simply making offensive comments as pushing an agenda is stupid. Like I said, Neo-Nazi skinheads make music for neo-nazi skinheads. And those people are receptive, primed for the message. Tell me no non-African Americans say "Nigger" and "Faggot" nowadays, and I'll be on the first flight over.

If somebody becomes a racist bigot because of One in a Million, that's the fault of that person. Nirvana obsessives aren't shoe-gazing quasi-spiritualists because the songs tell them to be, that's just their own weak interpretation of the music. I'm not implying that you are either, just using a generalization in a vein to your own.

The person who adopts a lyric as a mantra or ideal really has no sense of self, I concur. One in a Million didn't start racism though, it portrayed it. You fail to mention the follow-up lyrics, that the character in the song is "A small-town white boy (like Rose, who had long since departed that life, however)". Having arrived to his destination, we're being let into his world-view. I say this, because like your multi-quoting carry-on, you like to look at arguments in small pieces that just point to how futile your whole case really is. Without comprehending the content, you simply react to whatever suits you.

If I'm seeming defensive, it's not because you slighted Axl. Nobody doubts the guy is a twat, so you're onto nothing new there. I just get the impression that not only don't you like Guns and Roses (which I completely get and can empathise with), but that you're implying people who like this album are inferior, and support racism and bigotry. An opinion different to mine I can easily handle. An opinion that I'm a degenerate by association I can't.

Isn't it funny how those who preach tolerance and cuddly ideals still practice intolerance and judgment towards the objects of their ire? Until you transcend that viewpoint, your opinion is void to me.

Yes, you will post now that I'm wrong and around and around we go. 3 something thousand people died 6 years ago today and this is the most of our problems? Lucky us.

I will shut the fuck up now.

[saz]

If you want to live in a cabbage patch where people don't say or do bad things, that's one thing. But to equate simply making offensive comments as pushing an agenda is stupid. Like I said, Neo-Nazi skinheads make music for neo-nazi skinheads. And those people are receptive, primed for the message. Tell me no non-African Americans say "Nigger" and "Faggot" nowadays, and I'll be on the first flight over.

but how does it differ? why is it an agenda for skinhead bands, but not with rose? it's obvious that what he has expressed are his personal beliefs. and of course homophobia is a rampant problem in hip-hop.


If somebody becomes a racist bigot because of One in a Million, that's the fault of that person. Nirvana obsessives aren't shoe-gazing quasi-spiritualists because the songs tell them to be, that's just their own weak interpretation of the music. I'm not implying that you are either, just using a generalization in a vein to your own.

but my beef wasn't with people who are impressionable, but rather the message.


The person who adopts a lyric as a mantra or ideal really has no sense of self, I concur. One in a Million didn't start racism though, it portrayed it.

and exemplified it.



You fail to mention the follow-up lyrics, that the character in the song is "A small-town white boy (like Rose, who had long since departed that life, however)". Having arrived to his destination, we're being let into his world-view. I say this, because like your multi-quoting carry-on, you like to look at arguments in small pieces that just point to how futile your whole case really is. Without comprehending the content, you simply react to whatever suits you.

no, not at all. you can't excuse rose's biggotry because he mentions that he "long since departed that life". he didn't have to use specific, hateful terms to refer to gays and blacks.


If I'm seeming defensive, it's not because you slighted Axl. Nobody doubts the guy is a twat, so you're onto nothing new there. I just get the impression that not only don't you like Guns and Roses (which I completely get and can empathise with), but that you're implying people who like this album are inferior, and support racism and bigotry. An opinion different to mine I can easily handle. An opinion that I'm a degenerate by association I can't.

sorry if i came across that way and that i've been raining on your parade. i don't like doing that at all with music threads. i actually think that slash is a really good guitarist and great lead player - his phrasing is solid. he plays a lot in the key of d, which is a fun key to play in. and i think i said before too that i don't have much of a problem with the band, but then again i don't know much about them.


Isn't it funny how those who preach tolerance and cuddly ideals still practice intolerance and judgment towards the objects of their ire? Until you transcend that viewpoint, your opinion is void to me.

so, you think that speaking out against biggotry is some sort of "cuddly ideal"?
regardless, i was, and am still perplexed that anyone could listen to a band whose singer is a racist idiot, and has expressed his views in the band's material.

but hey, whatever floats your boat.


Yes, you will post now that I'm wrong and around and around we go.

no, not at all. i liked hearing things from your perspective.

[TurdBerglar]

FAGOT

NIGGER


NIGGER FAGOT!