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LaFrezney

08-03-2007, 05:45 PM

i am guessing...

BOYS and MMM aren’t vibing ….… And that would really sucks cos it’s not everyday that your favourite dj joins your favourite band.

I am a long time fan. Over 24 years. I used to be a dj myself, I am now semi-retired and all I do is go to different concerts and festival's and when i am so lucky that the Beastie Boys are touring all I do is follow the Beastie Boys around as much as I can, basically Europe and USA shows... though most of my travel's are done by BMW sport touring bike in the USA and Canada. It gives me an excuse to travel. I hate flying , but I will suck it up and do it more than I should. I went to Europe 9 times last tour alone to see the boys and yes, statistics say motorcycles are more dangerous than flying, at least I am not 35000ft above the ground and I am at the controls, I always say….

I just got home from Philly today. Wow what a show… way cool… outdoor show… fuckin hot …. The boys were dieing. MCA was the first to loose the suit… ad rock kept wiping the sweat away but kept the suit and hat on for the entire show… Mike D hung in as well with the suit… the heat was getting to everyone…

… but that was not the reason why MMM was off… I used to be dj and I can tell a disgruntled dj from afar … my guess

is he getting paid a salary by the Boys?? not a royalty, not this time. Like to keep in at arm’s length?? I don’t know… it just seems that way…

… so to put MMM in his place they didn’t include him on the new album… they don’t even make mention of his name… come on? Even on his debut LP with the boys “ country mike’s greatest hits” they even let him get in on one track and let him doing a little scratching and make mention of his name on the album as part of the over all band.

Now don’t get me wrong I would go see the Beastie Boys today, right now, with dj hurricane… so yes, it’s totally about the three… I am a long time fan… but for the new fan … or fans who are only in the 20’s today and would have been to young for Polly wog and cooky and licensed…. and people who consider themselves long time fans since 98'

To all of them 2nd generation fans… MMM innovated the Beastie Boys in 98' and re-invented the Boys in 2004 with … To The 5 Boroughs …. When I first heard it …first thing I thought was this sound like a MMM mix tape with Beastie Boys rapping over it… I have been listening to MMM for a long time and > this ain’t Beastie sounds…. > it’s Beastie style … but not Beastie sounds… it’s MMM sound to a T.

For the younger music fan whom may not have been around from the beginning could also conclude that post punk era Beastie’s were dominated / innovated by Rick Rubin… then the Dust brothers … then Mario C , Biz mark , Money Mark, etc… in 2004 it would have been to much to have a huge come back and have it say …Produced by MIX MASTER MIKE…

So my guess is ….. The boys said “ fuck it… here’s what we’ll do…we’ll make MMM a Beastie Boy and then just say produced by the Beastie Boys on the > To The 5 Boroughs album “

ALL long time fans knew this wasn’t true and knew a MMM mix set when we heard one…

AGAIN… My guess is that the B-boys want to control everything and felt that MMM was getting to close to the empire and after he produced the last album in 04’ the Boys might have thought they would make MMM sit this one out. Seems logical if you are trying to protect an almost 30 year empire.

Fuck man you should have seen the poor guy scratching in Philly along with the “off the grid” and “B for my name” tracks... then they gave him this stick thing to play with… like WTF? … he was on point …he made the tracks sound way better than without him… why couldn’t he be on the album… ? just for a second…and then a honourable mention? … I am guessing it’s really hurting him….

… the real fans can tell …. I knew by sasquatch festival that something was up…. But that album hadn’t dropped yet on may 26th and 27th... but as the tour went on and the album (which didn’t mention his name ) dropped, I noticed more and more animosity between DJ and BAND….

AND Philly put the icing on the cake… when a DJ is pissed off …he don’t vibe … not with the band … not at all… MMM fucked up more times that I have ever seen before… uncalled for… I have seen mix master mike make a mistake… but he was fuckin the boys up more than I had almost ever seen before... *cough*hurricane*cough*

but when MMM didn’t drop NO SLEEP TILL on the right timing…he was just holding the beat… he could have dropped it … he didn’t fuck up…

All I am saying is that everyone’s got to start being a lot nicer to MMM … vibe with the dj…. The reason 40 something rappers have all the clout with the new generation and all the respect and re-found proud long time fans for the band is in huge part because of this dj re-inventing them …. No one can diss this band with this dj , not even when they are 50 > MIX MASTER MIKE IS BAD ASS… utilize this talent don’t let it slip away…

the show to me is great… my favourite band… I even like them when they fuck up… so I am not a good judge… but parts of the show are explosive when the band comes together… MMM was doing way better remixes last tour… he’s not feeling it like he should be…. Something is up… because MMM is explosive all the time…. His showcase was off the hook… you could tell he was mad…. But maybe I am reading it wrong and he’s just hurt and I hope he doesn’t get jaded because of all of this…

But then again.... i am just guessing here.... just one observation… which led me to my seeing it this way...

I am probably seeing it wrong.... and mix master wants to stay his own thing.... but his remixes are really hurting this tour... he's definitely going to have to start dropping the Jay-Z remix for pass the mic because what he is doing now for that track he may as well play the original…

On the other hand …

The Beastie Boys might have been feeding us all this istrumental music setting us up for when we are old… so that the next part of the beastie saga will be just instrumental shows well into their 50’s and by then the fans will be to old for hip hop and punk so they will go to gala events to see them and they won’t need a dj anymore… so MMM might have to play with that stick a little more and he can maybe make the next album… because just being dj has a limited contract

Oh well…. Boston next…. Only 750miles from my house…

PEACE OUT

La Frez

Bobtwi

08-03-2007, 06:24 PM

Wow thats a long post.I think you're thinking to hard.I was in Philly and A.C. and I didnt think he fucked up that much.If anyone looks like they dont want to be there it's M.C.A.

YoungRemy

08-03-2007, 06:57 PM

in my opinion, I think your opinions are way off, frez

Brother McDuff

08-03-2007, 07:28 PM

whoa, that sounds pretty far off, podna.

the line about mixmaster producing TT5B is just foolish, among many, many other statements in there. but hey, to each his own conspiracy theories, right?(y)

SpacemanSpliff

08-03-2007, 07:35 PM

uhhhh la la, what did u smoke?

pshabi

08-03-2007, 07:49 PM

I disagree with just about everything in that post.

Documad

08-03-2007, 09:28 PM

I wasn't at that show, but one of the few downsides to the current tour is that MMM doesn't fit in as well and has less to do. It's painful at times, but he was being a good sport at the concerts I saw, and the guys were trying to include him in some jokes. It still had a feel of some guys humoring their younger brother who didn't have a real role to play.

I don't buy any conspiracy theory -- he just doesn't fit the current mood of the band as well as he fit the TT5B tour.

pshabi

08-03-2007, 09:37 PM

Documad

08-03-2007, 09:41 PM

He was VERY involved in Philly. It wasn't THAT different from the Pageant Tours. In AC, he was hardly there.

So was Philly basically the same old concert with a few new instrumentals? I don't mean that in a negative way -- I love the same old concert. :) For the larger Paris show, it was the normal show with a couple of the so-called hardcore songs (which don't float my boat) but I liked them adding The Maestro.

Which concert did you like better between Philly and Atlantic City? Between Philly and Vegas?

pshabi

08-03-2007, 10:06 PM

Documad

08-03-2007, 10:23 PM

It did have the few hardcore songs and what not added in. Probably the same basic thing as in Paris. I'll include my opinions of the two recent shows in my upcoming trip report. That said:

I've now seen them 8 times and nothing comes close to Vegas.
Thanks. I'm looking forward to a review later this weekend. :p

I suspect that Vegas won't be topped on the current tour, but with the suits and all, it does feel like the impetus for everything that's followed.

pshabi

08-03-2007, 10:38 PM

It does feel like the impetus for everything that's followed.

Exactly! I was just saying that same thing. To me, that night was the start of this era.

facedownfall

08-04-2007, 01:06 AM

He was VERY involved in Philly. It wasn't THAT different from the Pageant Tours. In AC, he was hardly there.

I agree! During the hardcore songs he snuck up behind Yauch's Ampeg bass amp and tried to scare him.....he faked a heart attack during a little later during Heart Attack Man. I know a few of us were singing the "ya don't stop, ya don't quit" line during Sabrosa which was made famous by Hurricane on the Root Down E.P.

YoungRemy

08-04-2007, 01:09 AM

I just watched some of the videos from the Festival Pier and they are giving MMM Big Love...

its always interesting how when an album drops or the band goes on tour, the critics come out, and/or the band never lives up to someones preconceived notions...

pip07

08-04-2007, 01:14 AM

http://img339.imageshack.us/img339/5116/colin3gy6.gif

Stratocuse

08-04-2007, 02:58 AM

I think you are reading WAY to far into things.

seth.thomas

08-04-2007, 08:58 AM

his scratching was on point in philly... they were haviong fun, and he was dropping shit on purpose to fuck with Adrock..everytime he would drop a beat or a silly sample he and Adam would look at eachother and crack the fuck up.

oh, and MMM didnt produce TT5Bs, and I dont know if you have any ISP records, or Mix Master's solo albums...but his shit sounds nothing like the beats the boys make.

just sayin...

Michelle*s_Farm

08-04-2007, 11:22 AM

oh, and MMM didnt produce TT5Bs, and I dont know if you have any ISP records, or Mix Master's solo albums...but his shit sounds nothing like the beats the boys make.

just sayin...

I agree with this post. Nothing wrong with MMM but he cannot be credited with the Beastie Boys' sound post '97. Neither can Rubin, Mario C, Hurricane, Dust Brothers or anyone else that has collaborated with them in the past be credited for their past work. They are DIY all the way. Their collaborations are sweet but it does not mean the boys are not the masterminds behind the final sound.

CHECKHEAD2004

08-06-2007, 11:49 AM

They gave like a 3 minute dedication to MMM last night.. so I think they read this too..... LOL

mcamuto

08-06-2007, 01:38 PM

I agree with this post. Nothing wrong with MMM but he cannot be credited with the Beastie Boys' sound post '97. Neither can Rubin, Mario C, Hurricane, Dust Brothers or anyone else that has collaborated with them in the past be credited for their past work. They are DIY all the way. Their collaborations are sweet but it does not mean the boys are not the masterminds behind the final sound.

I beg to differ. Their collaborators alot of the time did define their sound. Most producers do have a 'sound' and the beasties piggy backed off a lot of it. To say they are DIY all the way is not really accurate. They are good but they really have placed themselves around a lot of strength to get them where they are today.

LTI was defined by rick rubin, he produced it and gave it the 'def jam' sound. Their first album sounded like most all old def jam albums.

PB was produced by the dust brothers. Essentially they rapped over what the dust brothers had already been working on.

For CYH they did bust out the instruments but the production work or mario c along with the grooves of MM really crafted the album. MM probably put more into the sound of that album then most would admit.

IC was more of the same with Mario at the helm. Even their the video 'Sabotage' was done by Spike Jones and was based on skit that was in a previous skate board video as well.

Fast forward to TTFB, which you could argue that was a DIY type album and it sounded awful to many people.

If they were the masterminds of their own sound they would not be where they are today, judging from the popularity of their post HN albums. Producers really help make a groups sound but in the case of the beasties they really have worked with a lot of people who have had a LOT in influence and end results in the music and 'the sound'.

Kid Presentable

08-06-2007, 05:49 PM

DJ Pioneer

08-07-2007, 01:03 PM

MMM rules. I can't bad-mouth him. I heard of him and the Invisibl Skratch Piklz like a year before he joined the Beasties. I see what you're saying, that he's not included as much in the current phase of the Beastie Boys. It's fine really. I think they hired him mainly for the live shows. In Philly, he did f*** up a few times. No biggie to me, I still think he did great. My sister was there too, and she noticed his mistakes more than I did (I guess I'm a blind loyalist). I wish he would've gotten to say more than a few words all night. Also, yeah that wooden stick he was shaking during the instrumentals - that was sad. I just saw him looking blankly out into the crowd. Still in all, nothing to worry about it. It was 90 some degrees there, hot and uncomfortable. No need for conern. All-in-all, MMM did a fine job.

As far as actual production, he did tracks 8 and 12 (maybe a 3rd?) on Hello Nasty, but that was mostly Adrock in my opinion. He was probably behind Triple Trouble at least on TT5B, but I doubt he was mostly responsible for the album's sound. It doesn't sound like MMM beats to me, unless he stripped down his usual style to better hear the rhymes.