50's CURTIS vs. Kanye's GRADUATION [Archive]

Mr Films

08-10-2007, 11:11 PM

so, I didn't think much of the fact that both these guys are dropping albums on the same day. But it really is kind of an event (in the loosest use of the term). Seeing as how you they kind of represent polar opposites of hip-hop.

I'm bias cuz I heart Kanye and never once have felt compelled to buy anything by 50. His stuff's catchy enough but always struck me as fluff.

Also, as I'm sure some of you heard.... 50 said this....

"Put it like this... Let's raise the stakes. If Kanye West sells more records than 50 Cent on September 11, I'll no longer write music. I'll write music and work with my other artists, but I won't put out any more solo albums."

eeeeeeh?

This whole thing is hard to call. Seeing as how singles from either album aren't exactly lighting up radio. But this "beef" will probably only help them both.

Deep_Sea_Rain

08-10-2007, 11:57 PM

Also, as I'm sure some of you heard.... 50 said this....

"Put it like this... Let's raise the stakes. If Kanye West sells more records than 50 Cent on September 11, I'll no longer write music. I'll write music and work with my other artists, but I won't put out any more solo albums."

One can only hope.

Did I miss something here? When did they start competing?

BBboy20

08-11-2007, 12:40 AM

I think it's 50 that's competing; I haven't read anything about Kayne even involved.

Maybe 50 is just doing so 'cause both are released on the 11th...LOLz, yeah, a 9/11 on 50's career would be nice.

Gareth

08-11-2007, 10:30 AM

i like 50 cent "i get money"
nothing wrong with bragging about how much $$ you have and whatnot
"i get money, money i got...
what more can i say top billin"

faz

08-11-2007, 11:34 AM

Remember what 50 said the reason for kanye's album sales was?

"I feel like Kanye West is successful because of me," he said. "After 50 Cent, [hip-hop fans] was looking for something non-confrontational, and they went after first thing that came along. That was Kanye West, and his record took off."

Freebasser

08-11-2007, 02:08 PM

bumsex

BeticoCM

08-12-2007, 08:43 AM

"Put it like this... Let's raise the stakes. If Kanye West sells more records than 50 Cent on September 11, I'll no longer write music. I'll write music and work with my other artists, but I won't put out any more solo albums."

i'm totally going to buy and encourage the purchase of kanye's album in the hopes that 50 keeps his word this one time. 50=the death of hiphop.

adam_f

08-12-2007, 09:23 AM

If I hear that Kanye remix with Young Jeezy for "Can't Tell Me Nothing" I'm going to kill someone not so close to me. I'll still buy the album, but it's getting old.

Jitters

08-12-2007, 05:29 PM

If single performance is any indication then both of these albums are going to be underwhelming when considering past numbers.

A lot of people think 50 is about to fall off and I would agree. I think he's just playing this up to get his name back out there and try and increase his sales.

BBboy20

08-12-2007, 06:31 PM

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v370/docdre/Music%20Artists/Curtis_2850_Cent_album29.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v370/docdre/Music%20Artists/Graduation_28album29.jpg

One looks like he's gonna lose everything while the other is gonna' head towards the stars...:D

Mr Films

08-12-2007, 06:52 PM

If single performance is any indication then both of these albums are going to be underwhelming when considering past numbers.

I'm surprised at 50's current singles. Usually his blow up quick. Kanye's, on the other hand, are never big before release. At least it seems that way. They tend to blow up after the album drops.

adam_f

08-13-2007, 04:48 AM

Yeah, I didn't think "Through the Wire" or "Diamonds From Sierra Leone" did that great on radio, but once the albums dropped, that's when "Jesus Walks" "All Falls Down" and "Gold Digger" all blew up.

I'm hoping this is Kanye's last school theme album and the next isn't called "3 Credits Short" It's getting kinda old.

BBboy20

08-13-2007, 05:57 AM

I'm hoping this is Kanye's last school theme album and the next isn't called "3 Credits Short" It's getting kinda old.Well, you'd think the name "Graduation" would mean that. =/

Jitters

08-13-2007, 07:32 AM

I'm surprised at 50's current singles. Usually his blow up quick.

His strategy seems good enough, get as many singles out there as possible to get people heaing new music but the songs haven't been making any kind of penetration with the public.

It's definitely going to be interesting to see what his sales are.

BroomHead

08-13-2007, 01:54 PM

His strategy seems good enough, get as many singles out there as possible to get people heaing new music but the songs haven't been making any kind of penetration with the public.

It's definitely going to be interesting to see what his sales are.

But it's smarter to space out your singles so you can pull new fans each time. Otherwise the album will have a very short shelf life.

Anyway, I agree this is a publicity stunt to sell more records, not that I mind.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v370/docdre/Music%20Artists/Curtis_2850_Cent_album29.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v370/docdre/Music%20Artists/Graduation_28album29.jpg

One looks like he's gonna lose everything while the other is gonna' head towards the stars...:D

Is that really the official cover for Kanye's record though? I mean it's pretty convenient that it would be animated, considering any schmoe on photoshop could make something like that.

Plus there was another one on the net that was rumored to be his cover before this one. And that one was animated as well. Here it is. (http://assets3.pitchforkmedia.com/images/image/34907.x-news-kanyegradcover.jpg) Iunno, I just imagine him being on the cover, maybe with the bear suit.

Jitters

08-13-2007, 02:33 PM

But it's smarter to space out your singles so you can pull new fans each time. Otherwise the album will have a very short shelf life.

I totally agree with that but 50's singles have all basically flopped so far. If it doesn't blow up they must be thinking "well, we'll just try another."

g-mile7

08-13-2007, 05:52 PM

"Stronger" is currently #6 on the Pop charts and #9 on the rap charts.

"AYO Technology" is currently #2O on the rap charts and #1O2 on the Pop but it is expected to blow up thanx to the "help" of Justin Timberlake and Timbo. It is quite an achievement 4 Kanye to have a hit with "Stronger" given its unique sample/production and song structure...lacking a notable hook. It should be a good battle, if neither has their LPs pushback.

g-mile7

08-13-2007, 07:12 PM

Wow, "Stronger" debut at #47 on the Pop Charts and shot up to #6 in only its 2nd week.

Jay-Z should have did "AYO Technology" IMO...5O's attempt at the same flow that Jigga did 4 "Nigga What, Nigga Who?" is less then stellar. I like the beat though and JT sings that white girl shit (as in they love him) 5O needs to have a hit, no matter the whackness he is dripping over the track.

Jitters

08-13-2007, 08:51 PM

50 released AYO Technology as a single already? He just dropped I Get Money literally like a week ago. :eek:

At this rate he'll put ever song on the album out as a single before it's even released.

g-mile7

08-13-2007, 10:31 PM

50 released AYO Technology as a single already? He just dropped I Get Money literally like a week ago. :eek:

At this rate he'll put ever song on the album out as a single before it's even released.

Serious but he isnt used to havin his singles flop...even "Disco Inferno" did well

Str8 2 the Bank-#32pop/#1O on Rap
Amusment Park-#121pop/#17Rap
I Get Money-#119 pop/#18rap

also another single "Follow My Lead" fet Robin Thicke was leaked, as well as the video too.

g-mile7

08-13-2007, 10:35 PM

5O needed to push "Str8 2 The Bank" as much as he could THEN drop "AYO Technology", but leave it to 5O to not be able to wait and manage his single out put

Auton

08-13-2007, 10:52 PM

:rolleyes:

roosta

08-14-2007, 03:02 AM

ha..I dont know what it is, I think 50's a complete twat and I usually hate all that gross bling bling "I get money" shite, but "I get money" is kinda good. Its funny more than anything, just the complete dont-give-a-shit honesty of it.

Still, i have no interest in hearing "Curtis" so it'llbe Graduation for me. The cover is amazing!

g-mile7

08-14-2007, 03:23 AM

"Drunk and Hot Girls" Kanye fet Mos Def...this song has humor all over it

g-mile7

08-15-2007, 04:05 PM

4 words: "Barry Bonds" West+Wayne

g-mile7

08-15-2007, 04:54 PM

a little of topic...there was a show on the weekend with Camron on TV talking about this whole "Stop Snitching" campain goin on in the streets.

there was a clip of his 50 Cent diss track talking about him "rollin with police/you talk to police"

what this based on ?

meaning what is he claming 50 ratted about?

:confused:

Thats old. Its has to be the 6O minutes interview where he made a fool of himself. Cams a damn fool.

DeeJayZap

08-15-2007, 04:56 PM

i just want the bonus CRS track on Graduation's iTunes pre-order, but what ive heard so far is real dope.

ggirlballa

08-15-2007, 09:56 PM

i think "i get money" is 50's catchiest single from curtis mostly because of the chorus (is that an old ll cool j or mc shan sample?) but stronger man i've been addicted to that song and video i think its brilliant and can't tell me nothing is nice as well

kanye west's 2 singles i've heard more than 50's singles he's released

for me i'm coping kanye's album never been into 50 that much

beastiedan

08-15-2007, 10:48 PM

ha! I can't believe most of 50's album is already out.. it will tank for sure. I'd rather listen to 'Wipe Me Down" than anything new from him. The exec's must be angrier than the the folks at Kelly Clarksons label.

Savage Jimmy

08-15-2007, 10:53 PM

i saw both of Kanye's new video's today I'm liking both of them a shit load....

I havent heard anything new from 50... maybe that's a good thing.

DeeJayZap

08-15-2007, 11:15 PM

i think "i get money" is 50's catchiest single from curtis mostly because of the chorus (is that an old ll cool j or mc shan sample?)

"top billin" by audio two

faz

08-16-2007, 11:11 AM

50's now saying he wont stop rapping if kanye sells more. Link (http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1567100/20070814/50_cent.jhtml)

g-mile7

08-16-2007, 05:22 PM

http://www.zshare.net/audio/314041457b9fcf/

Barry Bonds-edited and low quality but hey least you got something

Nice track. I laughed and nodded my head. Im also happy that Wayne didn't use his "excited" delivery, made his verse more bearable and enjoyable. But if I hear one more refrence to the ice in his mouth Im seriously going skip Carter III.

adam_f

08-16-2007, 06:38 PM

LIAR! YOU WILL NOT SKIP CARTER III!!!!!!!!

Savage Jimmy

08-16-2007, 11:30 PM

wats carter III?

g-mile7

08-17-2007, 01:50 AM

LIAR! YOU WILL NOT SKIP CARTER III!!!!!!!!

naw Im not. Cool off "Young Money"

adam_f

08-17-2007, 01:05 PM

I saw the cover of XXL and saw Birdman has a picture of Lil Wayne tattooed on his tit and I literally could not think of a gayer way to be gay.

dave790

08-17-2007, 06:12 PM

they're both shit

edit: well, kanye less so.

ggirlballa

08-17-2007, 08:27 PM

I saw the cover of XXL and saw Birdman has a picture of Lil Wayne tattooed on his tit and I literally could not think of a gayer way to be gay.

didn't they kiss on the lips/ i know lil wayne did kiss a guy on the lips not sure if it was birdman tho meh

and 50's now taking his comments back cuz he is scuuuurrreed of kanye

pshabi

08-17-2007, 08:57 PM

I saw the cover of XXL and saw Birdman has a picture of Lil Wayne tattooed on his tit and I literally could not think of a gayer way to be gay.

I've got a tattoo of Birdman's tit, with Lil' Wayne's face on it, on my tit.

Do I win?

adam_f

08-17-2007, 09:23 PM

That was retarded.

BBboy20

08-17-2007, 09:35 PM

didn't they kiss on the lips/ i know lil wayne did kiss a guy on the lips not sure if it was birdman tho meh

and 50's now taking his comments back cuz he is scuuuurrreed of kanyeThat's sad for a guy who got shot 9 times to be scared of a teddy bear. :p

faz

08-19-2007, 04:51 PM

kanye on westwood with 2 tracks (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kk1MibCMnpQ)

Kid Presentable

08-19-2007, 07:19 PM

I like "i get money".

Mr Films

09-11-2007, 11:39 PM

early reports are putting Kanye ahead in sales.

The Notorious LOL

09-11-2007, 11:51 PM

http://www.illdoctrine.com/2007/09/the_truth_about_kanye_west_and.html#comments

dont buy either

Auton

09-12-2007, 01:23 AM

people who post videos of themselves on a webpage who act like you should care what they think are fags.

BBboy20

09-12-2007, 01:37 AM

Isn't his best since Late Registration but it's still isn't "just" good either.

g-mile7

09-12-2007, 02:30 AM

"I Get Money" is just a slightly revamped version of "I'm a Hustler"

haha he just fucked up on Jimmy Kimmel...started "Ayo Technology" verse too early

BeticoCM

09-12-2007, 10:30 AM

"I Get Money" is just a slightly revamped version of "I'm a Hustler"

haha he just fucked up on Jimmy Kimmel...started "Ayo Technology" verse too early

he should've just lip-synched like he did on the BET awards.

whatever though, not buying either album. i already downloaded kanye's and it didnt impress me. lyrics and flow is garbage, not even going to bother with 50. who buys albums from major labels nowadays anyways? long live bittorrent!

Otis Driftwood

09-12-2007, 10:32 AM

:confused: In a better world people would consider PE's How you sell soul to a soulless people who sold their soul to Aesop Rocks None shall pass...

adam_f

09-12-2007, 02:03 PM

"We on Award Tours, with Common, my man. After each and every show, a couple dykes in a van"

Kanye made me laugh.

abcdefz

09-12-2007, 02:07 PM

Supposedly Kanye samples Can on here. Anybody know where, and what Can song is used?

Parkey

09-12-2007, 02:13 PM

I thought it was Can!

It's on Hot Drunk Girls. I was sure I heard 'Sing Swan Song', then thought I'd imagined it. I've just checked and it is that. No doubt.

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=29t_mv8FaNM

abcdefz

09-12-2007, 02:15 PM

adam_f

09-12-2007, 02:35 PM

Drunk and Hot Girls is surprisingly awful. My god...

g-mile7

09-12-2007, 02:40 PM

whatever though, not buying either album. i already downloaded kanye's and it didnt impress me. lyrics and flwo is garbage, not even going to bother with 50. who buys albums from major labels nowadays anyways? long live bittorrent!

Well thats you. Kanye really stepped it up with this LP. It is impressive and he is legit. If people consider Wayne top 5 material then Ye is just as worthy. People get caught up more in the image/persona then the actual music

BeticoCM

09-12-2007, 03:26 PM

Well thats you. Kanye really stepped it up with this LP. It is impressive and he is legit. If people consider Wayne top 5 material then Ye is just as worthy. People get caught up more in the image/persona then the actual music

see, i consider lil wayne which is who i'm assuminng who you're talking about as bottom 5. so from that perspective, kanye's album despite good production, is unimpressive.

g-mile7

09-12-2007, 03:31 PM

Well guess the rumors bout Young Buck being off Gunit were false cuz he's on Rap City with 5O.

g-mile7

09-12-2007, 03:34 PM

see, i consider lil wayne which is who i'm assuminng who you're talking about as bottom 5. so from that perspective, kanye's album despite good production, is unimpressive.

I said "people" though as in critics and rap peers in my quote.

Auton

09-12-2007, 03:43 PM

whatever though, not buying either album. i already downloaded kanye's and it didnt impress me. lyrics and flow is garbage, not even going to bother with 50. who buys albums from major labels nowadays anyways? long live bittorrent!

ugh. like mf doom ever wrote, or could ever write, anything better than "big brother"

g-mile7

09-12-2007, 04:00 PM

Jim Jones and Gunit?fuck aint no loyalty in hiphop!

The Notorious LOL

09-12-2007, 05:12 PM

people who post videos of themselves on a webpage who act like you should care what they think are fags.

yeah Id say thats pretty much true but in this case I think what this particular fag has to say is pretty valid.

Fact is, everyone rides Kanyes penis like he is this savior to rapping musics when in reality if he came out 10+ years ago no one would have paid him much attention.

BBboy20

09-12-2007, 06:57 PM

I saw some video of him backstage at the VMAs (Not sure if it's recently or some time ago) of him bitching and moaning like a motherfucker after losing two years in a row (something he said).

Nygel

09-12-2007, 09:22 PM

that was from the vmas a few days ago. he said he'll never do anythign for mtv again, which is funny, cuz i would have never done shit with them ever.... and i think he was serious, cuz on tuesday 50 cent was on TRL and from what i read Kanye was supposed to be on it, but i watched it to see mumbledick try to outsmart kanye but kanye never showed. kanye>50, but anything>50, so its not really a competition. 50 got really pissy on TRL too, he was like 'i was putting out albums way before kanye was'

50 first album-03, kanye's....04, damn 50 is a dumbass. anywhoo, i haven't heard more than 50's single, which i wish i hadn't, and i have graduation.... from a standpoint of im a human, this sounds better... kanye ftw. also... on trl 50 bought a TON of his own cds to hand out to everyone. and tried to go back on his word abotu retiring saying he wont PROMOTE his next album he makes, but one is already gonna come out and he WILL promote that one. either way, hes a bitch, kanye crys alot, but atleast has great music....

end rant

pshabi

09-13-2007, 12:12 AM

ugh. like mf doom ever wrote, or could ever write, anything better than "big brother"

That's dumb.

Kid Presentable

09-13-2007, 12:21 AM

I'm a relative Doom nut, but he kind of writes words that rhyme, as opposed to actual lyrics.

g-mile7

09-13-2007, 12:46 AM

yeah Id say thats pretty much true but in this case I think what this particular fag has to say is pretty valid.
Fact is, everyone rides Kanyes penis like he is this savior to rapping musics when in reality if he came out 10+ years ago no one would have paid him much attention.
He did help give us Blueprint.Id say the dick riding,which I see only from MUSIC critics(not so much HipHop),is justified.
He isnt the best rapper but his writing/beats are improving each LP

g-mile7

09-13-2007, 12:51 AM

I saw some video of him backstage at the VMAs (Not sure if it's recently or some time ago) of him bitching and moaning like a motherfucker after losing two years in a row (something he said).

He got robbed this year. Video of the year "Umbrella"? Thats bunk..."Stronger" is an amazing video. I mean look at it more as Hype Williams got robbed, not so much Kanye cuz he has the Grammys. Plus Cassie(girl featured in "Stronger")>Rhianna in the hawt department.

Graduation is Gr8

g-mile7

09-13-2007, 01:12 AM

Also LOL you about 2years late with the "dick riding" comment. Fact is Timbaland now fits better as the subject of your point (except the ten years ago point). But come on if an album of this make came out in 97, the begining of bling/excesr rap, you dont think folks wouldnt be on it? I doubt that...

Parkey

09-13-2007, 01:13 PM

How ace is this; Clipse / Kanye (http://www.vibe.com/blog/rapidshare/2007/09/for_clipse_nerds.html)

g-mile7

09-13-2007, 01:23 PM

Auton

09-13-2007, 02:32 PM

That's dumb.

no. it's really pretty spot on. mf doom is awesome and all, but

he kind of writes words that rhyme, as opposed to actual lyrics.

i enjoy listening to him rhyme, and i buy his stuff and have fun listening to it. but he couldn't write a song as good as big brother.

g-mile7

09-13-2007, 03:31 PM

no. it's really pretty spot on. mf doom is awesome and all, but

i enjoy listening to him rhyme, and i buy his stuff and have fun listening to it. but he couldn't write a song as good as big brother.

Let alone help create a beat like "Flashing Lights"

hpdrifter

09-13-2007, 06:23 PM

I really like Flashing Lights, I think its my favorite.

The Notorious LOL

09-13-2007, 07:15 PM

Flashing Lights beat > I Get Money beat
I Get Money flow > Flashing Lights flow

g-mile7

09-13-2007, 07:46 PM

Flashing Lights beat > I Get Money beat
I Get Money flow > Flashing Lights flow

ewww

50 flow on that song sounds forced beyond belief...I guess his swagger gets you riled up ;)

g-mile7

09-13-2007, 07:46 PM

I really like Flashing Lights, I think its my favorite.

It make for a great video if he gets the right person and concept

ggirlballa

09-13-2007, 10:02 PM

hola cholas???

got kanye's album (well my big brother did) at the store like 6 people got the knaye album too (this was the day it came out)

heard 4 songs liked em all and i'm trying to convince my bro to burn me a copy

yes i think stronger should have one at least 1 VMA that video was too sick he did get robbed this year

and on the mf doom topic i never really noticed that about his ryhmes maybe thats why i found it too hard to catch up with his lyrics cuz some of it didn't make shit sense to me.

The Notorious LOL

09-13-2007, 11:48 PM

ewww

50 flow on that song sounds forced beyond belief...I guess his swagger gets you riled up ;)

beats Kanyes. He doesnt completely ruin the beat but he doesnt do it the justice it deserves because thats easily one of the best beats he has ever done.

like the transition from intro to drums kick in to "flashing....lights lights lights" it really builds it up for him to come correct and then you get "SHE DONT BELIEVE IN SHOOTING STARS...", and while it doesnt ruin the song it doesnt sound nearly as good as it should. Even that bootleg ass remix with the Clipse acapella over it sounds smoother.

Kanye would be better off going the Pete Rock route and just producing and having the rhymes handled by guests.

pshabi

09-14-2007, 12:00 AM

Kanye would be better off going the Pete Rock route and just producing and having the rhymes handled by guests.
:confused::confused::confused:
He makes $$$$$$$$$$ and lots of it. How would he be "better off?" Not monetarily, obviously. Artistically???? Puhhlease.

On another note: I'm not floored by the Flashing Lights beat like A LOT of people are. :confused:

g-mile7

09-14-2007, 12:05 AM

I dont know he did a pretty damn good job. I enjoyed the story telling, the lil punchline at the end of each verse and his delievery in the mid section is great. Also he only does two verses to let the beat shine. He is a producer too, I think that was the plan. I enjoy Ye's rapping but I guess he isnt cool enough to earn tha respect as a good rapper. Im sure every mixtape will feature this beat being rapped on and it wont be the same.

5Os flow is just the style U like but that delivery isnt smooth.

g-mile7

09-14-2007, 12:07 AM

:confused::confused::confused:
He makes $$$$$$$$$$ and lots of it. How would he be "better off?" Not monetarily, obviously. Artistically???? Puhhlease.

On another note: I'm not floored by the Flashing Lights beat like A LOT of people are. :confused:

Well doesnt that make U special?

The Notorious LOL

09-14-2007, 12:07 AM

yes, artistically. If Kanye did something like Prince Paul for example and just did a whole album with one rapper...yeah, itd be much better than any of his solo shit. Hes not that good at the raps.

Kanyes albums remind me of Jaylib. I listen and go "okay the beats rule but why didnt they get someone good to rhyme on them??"

The Notorious LOL

09-14-2007, 12:09 AM

but I guess he isnt cool enough to earn tha respect as a good rapper.

actually he gets a lot of respect (from me anyway) for acknowledging he had a suburban upper class lifestyle. He doesn't earn my respect as a good rapper because...hes not a good rapper.

ggirlballa

09-14-2007, 12:14 AM

The Notorious LOL

09-14-2007, 12:37 AM

Jaylib.

Champion Sound was a good album but some of the rhyming was really bad

ggirlballa

09-14-2007, 12:45 AM

yes but isn't jaylib, j dilla & madlib???

g-mile7

09-14-2007, 12:59 AM

I agree as a "rapper" he isnt top but his overal flow and lyrics arent any worst. I only think there are a few mainstream/known rappers better(Clipse) and even then they might not be a skilled enough writer 2 get the vibe right like Ye(except maybe Blueprint era Jay or Black On Both Sides Mos). Ye rapped more spoken word then rapper on the song which I think fits. The bars get gradually better as the song progresses. By today standards he is more then a good rapper.Each their own

g-mile7

09-14-2007, 01:05 AM

As a writer, let alone person who tries to be a rapper I guess I can respect Ye flow. Theres so much garbage being hyped up...Ye rapping isnt that bad. But its all good I could see reasons U dont think make him an unimpressive rapper.