The abuse of school children

[RaZoRbLaDe KiSs]

I honestly think that schools these days are being a bit to harsh on thier students. Whether its just my school or all schools in general, that I can not say.

For example, my cousin is on the JUNIOR football team. He's 15 years old, and he's just starting out. Yesterday he had a football practice more than three hours long. They were outside running and practicing in 90-something degree heat without water. One player got so sick that he threw up inside of his helmet, wiped the puke up with his hand, and continued to practice. My cousin, however, I think got the worst of it. After all those hours without water he became extreamly dehydrated, and passed out. When he woke, he got sick and didnt stop throwing up in for hours. He had lost so much fluid that my aunt and uncle had to rush him into the hospital where he was given TWO Iv's over time because he had lost so much.

A little out of control? I think yes. His coach works him and his team mates like that almost every other day. My cousin is lucky something serious didnt happen (my grandmother said he was lucky he didnt have kidney failure)

Another issue is P.E. At my school Phys ed is REQUIRED to graduate, but my question is, what if some people just CANT? I mean, even kids with no arms and legs, bound to a wheel chair are required to take it. What are they supposed to do? (No offense to anyone) I think it's completley out of control, but from what i've heard theres nothing that can be done.

[Bob]

did they really not make any water available to anyone? i'm kind of having a hard time believing that, nobody who knows anything about physical training would do that, surely. staying hydrated is very important. i don't even think they do that to navy seals.

no water, at all?

[RaZoRbLaDe KiSs]

My cousin said there was no water. Maybe they had run out, maybe they never had any to begin with. Im not sure, but my cousin isnt stupid, he's been involved with sports for a long time and he knows to keep himself hydrated. This is the first time anything like this has ever happened.

Most people who coach sports at our school dont have coaching/medical degrees. I dont even know if the school nurse has much medical training to be honest. The only way you can go home, no matter whats wrong with you - is if your puking or have a fever of 100 degrees.

Also, I have a problem with my blood - im missing a nutrient so my blood is thick and I can not get bruised/hurt or i'll be at risk for blood clots, and things like that. I've been on a medicine that thins my blood, and the docter wrote a note requesting that I be taken out of all P.E for the rest of High school because some of the activities could be possibly life threatening with the right series of events. (Like I said earlier, if I get bruised I can get clots, and If i get cut on the meds I can bleed to death.) They said too bad, I have to take it.

They told me to go get a more "specific" note - telling everything I could and could not do, so my hemotologist consulted some other docters and they said I could pretty much just do the excercise bikes/etc.. things where I wasnt at risk to get bruised/cut - The nurse said I could run.. even though a docter said I couldnt?! Also, I did what I was restricted to doing, and the school failed me, because it didnt reach thier standards.

I tried talking to the guidance counsler about it but he wouldnt let me get a word in edge wise because im a child in his eyes. He says he'll be willing to talk to an adult about it, but he doesnt want to fight with me.

[Drederick Tatum]

quit whining.

be grateful that you're not getting your hand tied behind your back just cause you write with your left, or that you're not getting hit with a ruler/belt/cane when you mess up, or that you actually go to school, unlike countless kids around the world.

100 years ago you would've been a chimney sweep, so stop crying and get on with it.

[Yeti]

A kid died from dehydration 4 years ago in my area. Now, all the schools practice in the early morning or evening and they have regular water breaks. They practice indoors when the heat is above 95. It also happened in the NFL a couple of years ago when a lineman died on the field. I thought all football programs--high school, college and pro had gone to regular water breaks and rest periods. If this is true then your cousin's coach is engaging in abuse. It can easily be remedied by pointing it out to the athletic director.

I remember when I played football and basketball, coaches would look at water breaks as weakness and used it as a reward not a mandate.

[RaZoRbLaDe KiSs]

quit whining.

be grateful that you're not getting your hand tied behind your back just cause you write with your left, or that you're not getting hit with a ruler/belt/cane when you mess up, or that you actually go to school, unlike countless kids around the world.

100 years ago you would've been a chimney sweep, so stop crying and get on with it.

Yeah thats why they no longer practice these treatments - because its ABUSE.
and a Chimney sweep is an honorable job! I dont see you climbing into people's chimneys, sweeping out all that guck and grime and shit. If it wasnt for chimney sweeps matter would build up inside of the walls and start the house on fire, so you can get your big!




Yeti: I know it happens all the time, but thats what he told us. I really dont think he'd lie. Everyone has been talking about how hard that coach has been working them because our school has won the championship the last couple years in a row, but last year they lost it so they're doing their best to whip the boys into shape so we can win this year. I think it's crazy. I have that coach for P.E and I wanted to knock his damn lights out today.

[Dorothy Wood]

it's at the beginning of the season I'm guessing and they're probably doing conditioning still. 3+ hours is really not that long of a football practice in that case. and why didn't he have any of his own water? it's pretty shitty if they weren't allowed any water breaks though, seems dumb of the coach, but again, maybe it was just part of the training (albeit dangerous and somewhat irresponsible).

when I was in high school, we had 3+ hours of pre-season basketball practice in 90+ degree weather, and no A/C to speak of indoors. we weren't provided with water, we always brought our own. I puked once or twice.

the football players practiced even longer than us and they brought their own water and had this sprinkler rack thing outside that everyone drank from. lots of them puked, regardless.


also, I never understood why people want to get out of PE so bad. just give them a more specific letter and go to PE and do what you can. you can't possibly tell us that your doctor doesn't want you to get any exercise because of your condition?

[TurdBerglar]

i think a 15 year old should know better and know when to stop and get some fucking water. kids are pussies these days anyways. it was a good learning experience. next time he'll bring some god damn water.

[TurdBerglar]

oh and another thing. almost every public school has the same requirement for PE. i think it's the law in most states. and obviously the handicapped kids get a pass. get some fucking exercise.

[RaZoRbLaDe KiSs]

also, I never understood why people want to get out of PE so bad. just give them a more specific letter and go to PE and do what you can. you can't possibly tell us that your doctor doesn't want you to get any exercise because of your condition?

I never said that I dont want to do it, but I do have a valid excuse as to why I CANT do it. I was in the hospital for a week because of this condition, having to listen to docters every day telling me that if I cut myself or got bruised I can DIE. So needless to say, yeah, I am a bit scared to put myself at risk.

I dont think theres anything wrong with wanting to stay alive a little bit longer! And as for if we dont KNOW that I can get really hurt with my condition, yes I do. Like I said, I was in the hospital for a week because of something that happened in PE before I was on my meds. (The fact that parts of my lung were collapsed didnt help) but I cut myself after I'd gotten on my meds with CHILDS SAFETY SCISSORS and I didnt stop bleeding for a half an hour. The school had to call the hospital to see if I should come in because of the blood I'd lost. I sliced my finger tip (thats it! finger TIP) open down the center and it was bleeding like I had a really huge gash. All the water in the sink turned red, and even after they wrapped it up, It still bled for a really long time.

Imagine what would happen if I really had cut myself bad. I could bleed to death. I dunno how fun that sounds to you, but its not exactly a good time in my book. I'd rather not risk it - kthanks.

[Yetra Flam]

I think it's funny when kids today whine about how hard they have it, and how teachers "abuse" them. Jesus, if anything, you need to have it tougher. Kids today are a bunch of assholes who don't respect older people. God i hate kids.

[cosmo105]

when my brother was in high school football there was a time called "hell week" where things exactly as you described went on. i think it's a stretch to call it abuse, but they really should be giving them water.

[Bob]

do they get water breaks?

[Bob]

yeah but...do they have to wear football helmets?

[Yetra Flam]

But, like, what if one of them has a doctor's certificate that says they can't do any of the tough stuff? Can they just run around a bit? Then navy seal training completed?

[cosmo105]

then they wouldn't be allowed to even play their stupid navy seal games, duhhhhhh

[Yetra Flam]

Like dodgeball? But the ball is like, something. Not a ball. Like something hardcore and navy seal-esque. Like the heads of their enemies. i don't know.

[Alli]

I think the general consensus here should be running for all, water for none! No pain no gain! Oh and don't forget when the school children cry you scream "Just DOOOO it" Wrestler voice is mandatory.

[Yetra Flam]

Like a grenade or something? Some kind of ball shaped explosive device? Maybe, maybe.

[Bob]

they play dodge grenaoh damnit you beat me

[Yetra Flam]

Maybe they just use a medicine ball. They can actually kind of almost hurt if you throw them really hard at someone's head.

[Yeti]

oh and another thing. almost every public school has the same requirement for PE. i think it's the law in most states. and obviously the handicapped kids get a pass. get some fucking exercise.

Getting the ball through the hole in the parachute was very important in shaping my mind, body & soul.

[Tompz]

Isn't there kind of a macho-attitude going on when it comes to football?

No wonder the rest of the world hates it.

[fucktopgirl]

^Yea, wtf, i always perceived football as a sport full of big moron, that what they look like on the field anyway, i am fully aware that intelligent people play this sport but when i watch a game, i am quite amused by their macho attitude.

This week, while doing my exercise, i came across youngsters (6-7) in football gears with the black line under their eyes , and their trainer was screaming like a moron to motivate them. They all had that attitude of though guys, it was funny but quite sad too.

I think soccer is way better.

[TurdBerglar]

PUSSY

[abcdefz]

Jeez -- wait 'til the kid takes up wrestling and has to make weight.


No, but anyway. There's obviously got to be some hydration going on for safety's sake, but part of coaching is knowing how much to allow, how to dole it out, how to build a team, how to condition your players, etc.

There are some awfully stupid teachers out there doing irresponsible stuff in the name of all that's allegedly macho, so I can't say this didn't happen, but, like Yeti pointed out, there's been very recent deaths in schools this way -- I just saw one reported a couple weeks ago (?) on CNN. It's pretty doubtful that in this national social climate, let alone that specific weather climate, that there was zero hydration allowed.

You might check into it with the school, if you think the kid's reporting this accurately. Effect a change for the better. Heck, I reported an English teacher showing Robocop to his junior high kids (without parents' permission) instead of an actual English lesson; I'd argue that your scenario warrants more concern than that.

For what it's worth: overall, I think schools have been taking it way too easy on kids since before I was even in school, but I'm thinking of matters of education and discipline. What you're talking about is (potentially) actual safety. Speak up, if you're worried.

Not just here but where you are. :)

[Documad]

For what it's worth: overall, I think schools have been taking it way too easy on kids since before I was even in school, but I'm thinking of matters of education and discipline. What you're talking about is (potentially) actual safety. Speak up, if you're worried.
I agree. Things were starting to change when I was in school. My older brothers had public high school teachers who used to hit them. Those teachers were still around when I got to school, but we had the more enlightened policies where teachers weren't allowed to hit kids anymore. You could tell that some of the older crew-cut teachers were dying to still hit us.

The gym teacher broke my brother's friend's collar bone by throwing him into a brick wall for smarting off. Now my brothers and their friends all have kids in high school. These middle aged dads all say that they wish the teachers were as hard on kids as they used to be. Even the guy who got his collar bone broken says that he was better off because the teachers were tough. I'm not sure I believe that, but things sure did change.

[Bob]

I reported an English teacher showing Robocop to his junior high kids (without parents' permission) instead of an actual English lesson

narc

[cookiepuss]

My only remark is in regard to PE. I think it SHOULD be manditory for graduation. I went to a four year high school and it was only required for two years. I think it should have been manditory for all four. even though I didn't like it, I would have benefited from learning to have a routine of physical activity. I'm convinced that had I been taught to form some good habits back then that I might not have struggled so much with my weight in college and now. I might have also learned that exercise is an efficient way to deal with stress.

kids today are pretty sedentary...tv, classrooms and computers...and most of them are overweight. they need physical activity even if it's forced upon them.

as far as handicapped children go it's insulting to suggest that they don't need or can't do physical activity. there is something called the special olympics you know. Now perhaps they can't do phys ed the same way other kids can, but with accomodations they can do it. I'm not suggesting they should be made to compete against the non handicapped children but surely there is a way to include them in physical education. :rolleyes:

[TurdBerglar]

one of my work buddies has a sister who is about 18 years older than himself. he hangs out with her and her family a lot. one of her kids asked him to take him for a bike ride. my coworker was an an ordinary bike while the kid was on one of those electric scooters. this is exercise nowadays...

i don't even see kids playing tag anymore or hide and go seek. remember super soaker wars? or touch football in the street? then if you really wanted to beat the shit out of each other you played in your dog shit riddled back yard!