"the scoop" samples [Archive] - Beastie Boys Message Board

raz

08-23-2007, 02:23 PM

I've been trying to figure out the samples in the chorus of "the scoop."

Beasties annotated has the lyrics
*Check it*
*Better believe it y'all*
*tick tock... work out*
*Better believe it y'all*
*This is rough and tough*

I've also seen this slightly altered on another website:
*Check it*
*Better believe it y'all*
*tick tock... work out*
*Better believe it y'all*
*This is Ralph and Tom*

The thing I am most interested in is the *this is rough and tough* or *this is Ralph and Tom* part.

Anyone have any clues?

kleptomaniac

08-23-2007, 02:27 PM

facedownfall

08-23-2007, 02:31 PM

I've been trying to figure out the samples in the chorus of "the scoop."

The thing I am most interested in is the *this is rough and tough* or *this is Ralph and Tom* part.

Anyone have any clues?

That was always my favorite song on Ill Comm, but the line is "this is rough and tough".

Nicodemus

08-24-2007, 12:02 PM

"tick tock... work out?" I could've sworn the sample was saying "smooth playah... smooth playah."

raz

08-30-2007, 01:55 PM

http://www.beastiemania.com/songspotlight/show.php?band=b&s=thescoop

Samples:

* "Jacob's Ladder" by Cedar Walton Jr
* "I Know I Could Love You Better" by The Free Movement - Golden Classics by The Free Movement
* "Tough" by Kurtis Blow - The Best of Kurtis Blow by Kurtis Blow
* "Atma-Tomorrow" by Michael Urbaniak - Atma by Michael Urbaniak

Thanks. I found that beastiemania website as I was trying to figure out the samples and have listened to all of the songs. Unfortunately these songs don't contain the samples for the chorus.

raz

08-30-2007, 01:55 PM

That was always my favorite song on Ill Comm, but the line is "this is rough and tough".

I agree with you that it is rough and tough not Ralph and Tom

raz

08-30-2007, 01:57 PM

"tick tock... work out?" I could've sworn the sample was saying "smooth playah... smooth playah."

Yeah, I don't have any idea where the 'tick tock...work out' comes from. Sounds like 'smooth playa....smooth playah' to me

Brother McDuff

08-31-2007, 02:22 AM

I think "The Scoop" and "Alright, Now Here This" are the two illest beats on that record, not to mention two of the most underrated bboys songs ever. The lyrics on "The Scoop" are a little mediocre (doo doo free), but on the strength of the beat and off-the-wall vocal effects alone, this song is an absolute banger!

raz

05-31-2008, 01:40 PM

Still haven't figured out the source of *this is rough and tough* so if anyone knows please clue me in. Thanks.

Mr. Smacktackle

05-31-2008, 05:59 PM

*Check it*
*Better believe it y'all*
*tick tock... work out*
*Better believe it y'all*
*This is rough and tough*

what? mine goes ''it's a scoop for ya, the truth for ya''

first chorus:
*Check it*
*Better believe it y'all*
*It's a scoop for ya, the truth for ya*
*Check it*
*Better believe it y'all*
*This is rough and tough*

are there more versions of it?? like Can't won't don't stop (HN) ?

the thing I'd like to know is what's that distorted silent talk at the end? ...transmission... something

beastieboysbaby

05-31-2008, 08:28 PM

Yeah, I don't have any idea where the 'tick tock...work out' comes from. Sounds like 'smooth playa....smooth playah' to me

yeah!!!! same here

Brother McDuff

06-01-2008, 02:03 AM

the thing I'd like to know is what's that distorted silent talk at the end? ...transmission... something

Word up. I've always wondered that as well. Either way, it's dope as fuck.

are there more versions of it?? like Can't won't don't stop (HN) ?

Ahem? There are alternate versions of Grasshopper Unit circulating!?! Never got the memo apparently over here. Should I be looking on the hub for this gem, or what?

Mr. Smacktackle

06-01-2008, 01:42 PM

Ahem? There are alternate versions of Grasshopper Unit circulating!?! Never got the memo apparently over here. Should I be looking on the hub for this gem, or what?
the difference is just on the chorus, I think. there's two or three versions, can someone confirm this?

*can't can't won't won't stop* voice of the BBoys being scratched in

*Well can't won't don't stop rockin' to the rhythm
'Cause I get down 'Cause I get down* being said by Biz Markie

*keep it on and on 2000* BBoys voice - haven't heard that one, but that's how it goes on the acapella on this site

Brother McDuff

06-01-2008, 04:04 PM

the difference is just on the chorus, I think. there's two or three versions, can someone confirm this?

*can't can't won't won't stop* voice of the BBoys being scratched in

*Well can't won't don't stop rockin' to the rhythm
'Cause I get down 'Cause I get down* being said by Biz Markie

*keep it on and on 2000* BBoys voice - haven't heard that one, but that's how it goes on the acapella on this site

where did the alternate chorus version come from? like a japanese release or something?

Kid Presentable

06-01-2008, 08:48 PM

*Well can't won't don't stop rockin' to the rhythm
'Cause I get down 'Cause I get down* being said by Biz Markie

I think that's GMF and the Furious Five.

silence7

06-02-2008, 03:09 AM

Annotated Ill Communication didn't have an answer either, but they did have some notes on what some of the lyrics mean....

http://www.beastieboysannotated.com/illcomm.htm

S7

Mr. Smacktackle

06-05-2008, 03:15 PM

where did the alternate chorus version come from? like a japanese release or something?
I have a standard release with 'can't won't don't stop, rockin to the rythm..'
The scratchin' version I don't know on what release it was
maybe the 'keep it on & on 2000' is the recorded acapella but got cut out of the album version(s) of the song

raz

05-25-2011, 02:04 PM

I finally found the "This is rough and tough" sample.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ufFvX39D3iM

mca64

05-25-2011, 02:53 PM

more info about finding it? luck?

Micodin

05-25-2011, 04:39 PM

Yeah, there is the "The Grasshopper Unit" and "Can't, Won't And Don't Stop"...

The "Can't, Won't And Don't Stop" is on the import.

I belived they changed up the chorus part due to The Freestylers had a song out at the same time that used the same sample "Can't, Won't And Don't Stop" did.

So, late in the game they changed the chorus... I prefer the OG version.

hotchedder

05-25-2011, 05:30 PM

I finally found the "This is rough and tough" sample.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ufFvX39D3iM

Good find. I-Roy is the reggae legend.

jayjacobson16

05-25-2011, 07:33 PM

what? mine goes ''it's a scoop for ya, the truth for ya''

I've been wondering what that sample was saying for years. That sounds about right. I always thought the second part he says something like "the true playa".

steve-onpoint

05-25-2011, 07:53 PM

I finally found the "This is rough and tough" sample.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ufFvX39D3iM

Cool. :cool:

Sir SkratchaLot

05-26-2011, 05:25 AM

The "can't stop won't stop rock to the rythm" thing was a sample clearance issue. That was the original version called "Can't Stop Won't Stop". They couldn't get the Grandmaster Flash sample cleared for the U.S. so they changed the chorus for the U.S. version. On the U.S version the beasties just shout the chorus "can't . . . won't . . . etc." and it's labeled as "The Grasshopper Unit" on the album. If you live in the U.K. (or elsewhere) you got the original version. If you live in the U.S. you got the other version. I rember there being so much vibration on that cut that the orange vinyl would jump your needle off of the record player.

A similar thing happened on Ill Communication with the french lady sample. It's not on the U.S. version of the album.

Bernard Goetz

05-26-2011, 07:09 AM

Wow, thanks for the info. Never heard this before...
Can't Stop Won't Stop (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OyZiI-wGVSA)

Jiberish

05-26-2011, 07:30 AM

Oh man. I like the U.S. version a lot better.

Bernard Goetz

05-26-2011, 07:35 AM

Me too - there's more oomph and energy to their c-c-can't w-w-won't STOP!

Nicodemus

05-26-2011, 04:15 PM

I'd like to hear this French lady sample. Is it part of a song or something in between tracks?

Ari-Matti

05-26-2011, 04:33 PM

I had been listening to the original Can't Stop Won't Stop many years before I heard the US version and it never sounds right to me. It sounds like a butchered afterthought (which it actually is) and forced. I'm sad they had to alter the original and came up with something similar for the US version. I think they did an ok job but it's not even in the same universe as the original.
I think, if you prefer the US version it's only because you have always heard that one. So that's why it's the only real version for you...

I was disappointed to find out that every version of the remasted Hello Nasty features The Grasshopper Unit. So there are no remasted Hello Nasty with Can't Stop Won't Stop anywhere. There are only two problems I have with the Beastie Boys album catalog.
1: There are no remasted Hello Nasty with the real and original Can't Stop Won't Stop.
2: Jimmy James on Check Your Head doesn't have the original scrathes.

jayjacobson16

05-26-2011, 06:37 PM

Anyone know if the hook on the acapella "keep it on and on 2000!" is on any versions of the song?

Sir SkratchaLot

05-27-2011, 05:14 AM

I'd like to hear this French lady sample. Is it part of a song or something in between tracks?

It's right before B-boys Makin' with the Freak Freak.

Here you go man
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0YVM5CUezug

Bernard Goetz

05-27-2011, 08:28 AM

That French clip was on the leaked copy that was going around weeks before Ill Communication came out. I remember being real disappointed it was cut from the U.S. release.

Monsieur Decuts

05-27-2011, 10:56 AM

That French clip was on the leaked copy that was going around weeks before Ill Communication came out. I remember being real disappointed it was cut from the U.S. release.

wow that's a trip...where was the leaked copy "going around" in 94?

Jay Stone

05-27-2011, 12:29 PM

wow that's a trip...where was the leaked copy "going around" in 94?

I got it dubbed on cassette from a guy I knew who worked at a record shop back then. He knew I was a big Beastie fan and hooked me up with promo posters and stuff like that. He knew a guy at Capitol and got the tape from him. That's where I got my copy. It was like two weeks before the album dropped. I wish I had kept all those posters and things he gave me back then...

Thunder D

05-27-2011, 01:24 PM

Anyone who needs to check out Beastie samples, or any samples for that matter, enjoy this website.

http://www.whosampled.com/artist/Beastie%20Boys/

fonky pizza

05-31-2011, 06:33 AM

I finally found the "This is rough and tough" sample.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ufFvX39D3iM

(y)

fonky pizza

05-31-2011, 06:36 AM

It's right before B-boys Makin' with the Freak Freak.

Here you go man
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0YVM5CUezug

Here you go man:rolleyes:
some tapes have it, some tapes don't.

Bernard Goetz

05-31-2011, 07:43 AM

I got it dubbed on cassette from a guy I knew who worked at a record shop back then. He knew I was a big Beastie fan and hooked me up with promo posters and stuff like that. He knew a guy at Capitol and got the tape from him. That's where I got my copy. It was like two weeks before the album dropped. I wish I had kept all those posters and things he gave me back then...

You talking about the "ONE TWO OH MY GOD" poster? I wish I still had that.

Bernard Goetz

05-31-2011, 07:46 AM

wow that's a trip...where was the leaked copy "going around" in 94?

Same deal as Jay Stone said.
I don't remember how long before the album dropped I had it, but I think it was more than a couple of weeks. At least it was long enough to know the whole thing pretty well before I actually could go out and buy it. Which, given the level of my obsession then, could easily really only been a couple of weeks.