who agrees/disagree with MMM changing the beats of each song?

[jaypayton]

at 1st i thought it was a fresh idea to change the beats of each song midway thru but after listening to several bootlegs from this tour it is starting to piss me off.....I understand the Boyz might be getting tired of doing the same songs and I agree with changing the beats of CERTAIN songs but NO FUCKIN WAY should mix master mike be changing the beats of songs like 'brass monkey' or 'no sleep til brooklyn' or 'so whatcha want'....the beats and grooves of those songs make the songs..so whatcha want has the baddest beats ever and now they are changing it???....I say leave well enough alone with certain songs and change up certain songs..but dont change EVERY song

[Pootytang]

Dude, didn't you already post this very same topic a while back?

Edit:

Nevermind, it must have been someone else.

[kleptomaniac]

http://www.beastieboys.com/bbs/showthread.php?t=76564

[Laver1969]

He's been changing the beats for nearly 10 years. Back during the HN days I really didn't like the beat changes. I thought the songs should stay pure with the occasional scratch or something.

But he won me over during the TT5B era. MMM and the boys really seemed to find a good groove.

I think the songs would sound boring live without changes. If I want to hear the album version, I can listen to the album. (y)

[Planetary]

I think the songs would sound boring live without changes. If I want to hear the album version, I can listen to the album. (y)

what if it were a band though? playin instruments, would you want to see them sing their lyrics whilecovering diff songs? personally i'dwant to see them perform the song in the form that it convinced me to go and see them.

anyway i agree with the first guy. it does get a bit annoying sometimes. especially when he fucks up. but it's good in moderation

[paul jones]

I wonder if MMM would rather be on the right of stage on this tour or back in the middle?

[Kid Presentable]

Some of the beat choices kill the songs for me. I'm sure he's just picking stuff he and the boys like, so more power.

Hurricane played The New Style beat under Sure Shot in his last show. By that wacky logic, the 'Car Thief' beat would work great for them to do Rhyme the Rhyme Well, for example.

[Sir SkratchaLot]

When I saw them this time around Mix Master Mike was doing a lot less beat changing.

I like the fact that the live shows keep changing. Some of you people sound like you want a Milli Vanilli show where they just press play every night and dance around.

[mcamuto]

The shows with MMM are fresher then most hurricane shows. the only benefit that the hurricane shows had were the beasties age and level of energy but you could see a few shows on a tour and it gets boring quickly. if you listen the pre MMM bootlegs they are not nearly as exciting. most live hip hop shows for that matter do suck, esp when the dj just plays the record or dat (which I think was the case most of the time for hurricane) as opposed to having much more interactive DJ's (think J5 or Dialated Peoples). It would have gotten really old by now if they had never switched up beats as the norm. Hurricane only stepped it up truly once and that was at TFC 97 and their set was super ill. Besides that there was barely ever a beat change, besides maybe the 411 Pass the mic mix.

Yeah sometimes MMM beats blow but look at the positive and realize most of hte beat he drops in are sick and really get the crowd going, which ultimately feeds the artist on stage. Even dropping something as played out at the 900# will get people jumping for joy.

[Shamus]

That's just MMM if you have had a chance to see him perform a DJ set solo this is what makes his live performances. After all his name is MIX MASTER not SAME OL' SHIT MASTER.

[DrunkenMantis]

plus the beasties never do the same thing twice.

[Kid Presentable]

Some of you people sound like you want a Milli Vanilli show where they just press play every night and dance around.

No, they don't.

The only, only thing that gets me is where he'll scratch a beat for four bars, only to drop it on the first bar of the next four. Happens on Sureshot a lot, and on So Watcha Want. If it doesn't bother them, then that's great. It sounds a little like dead air to me, like the momentum is lost for a split second.

[canucklehead200]

yeah there's the odd time where he messes with beats that shouldn't be messed with such as in integalactic, i still haven't heard a good beat that he exchanged for the original of that song, especially after "mmm drop", you can't beat that heavy beat that comes in after that. but he does toss in some fun gems for sure at times

[bizmark]

Leave MMM alone. He takes their shows up to a whole new level. If you cant appreciate what he brings to the table then stay home.

[Kid Presentable]

Leave MMM alone. He takes their shows up to a whole new level. If you cant appreciate what he brings to the table then stay home.

I don't think anybody is able to disagree with what he does, as much as everybody has different feelings on the matter. I like when he changes the beats on the songs, there's just some times (and it comes from being an obsessive freak who loves bootleg show audio) where the lead-in on a beat slows it all down.

Dude's a freak though, no doubt.

[luckydan#4130]

maybe some of you are better at djing than you are at typing but i thought mmm was so ill at the pageant tour i was gonna loose marbles, homeboy just amazes me every time(y)

[Kid Presentable]

When you see it all live, there's not time to be all "Oh well he came in a little late on that one, glayven!", so yeah it's really a moot point.

[funkdoc2005]

Sometimes I have a problem with it, but the reason I love it is because that's the problem with most rappers onstage. They have their DJs behind them practically doing nothing, and unless the rapper is a great energetic live performer(Busta, LL, Common, Meth, Red) the shows are not worth the price. It also makes Mixmaster Mike actually earn his pay too, because most rappers are really wasting money on their DJs to just change song beats.

[Sir SkratchaLot]

When I saw them this time around Mix Master Mike was doing a lot less beat changing.

I like the fact that the live shows keep changing. Some of you people sound like you want a Milli Vanilli show where they just press play every night and dance around.
No, they don't.

The only, only thing that gets me is where he'll scratch a beat for four bars, only to drop it on the first bar of the next four. Happens on Sureshot a lot, and on So Watcha Want. If it doesn't bother them, then that's great. It sounds a little like dead air to me, like the momentum is lost for a split second.

I don't know, I think a lot of the younger fans are really into videos of lipsynched Beastie tunes with lots of silly dancing and hand gestures. I can point you to proof if you want, sadly. :(

[jaypayton]

i agree most hip hop acts suck live but the beasties were never really doing hip hop concerts..their concerts were always like rock concerts...and you cant be messing with the beats to so whatcha want and no sleep til brooklyn..case closed

[mcamuto]

i agree most hip hop acts suck live but the beasties were never really doing hip hop concerts..their concerts were always like rock concerts...and you cant be messing with the beats to so whatcha want and no sleep til brooklyn..case closed

That is not really true. In the early days LTI was all hip hop and the Pagent tour was almost completely hip hop. To call their concerts like rock cocenrt is quite wrong. If they were like rock concerts they would play the same set straight through every night. The beasties shows are what hip hop is and that is having the DJ as the base of the band and doing what they like it is has worked much better in the last decade then the hurricane shows of the same old beat over and over again. If they every became a rock band doing the same show every night then there would be no point in seeing them live. Just like Terminator X as Chuck D said MMM speaks with his hands and it rocks the crowd every time. He does mess with those beats and it almost always does work.

[Kid Presentable]

i agree most hip hop acts suck live but the beasties were never really doing hip hop concerts..their concerts were always like rock concerts...and you cant be messing with the beats to so whatcha want and no sleep til brooklyn..case closed

Damn, yo. You must have held your breath for aaaages to wind up that stupid.

[sugar free]

the idea of switching sh*t up is DOPE.
but...

it needs to be TIGHT (mmm too often is sloppy and cuts sh*t up too much imo) and it all depends on WHAT beats he drops.
if he would drop like original breaks they'v sampled or beastie remixes etc it would be super extra nice.
but do we really need to hear the beasties over nina skye or lil' ..... or yung ..... beats?

i was listening to roc raida the other day, and i was like hmmmm.... bb + rr would be a perfect match!

and yeah, i agree with.... so watcha want and some other classics should be left alone.

[M.C. Guevera]

the idea of switching sh*t up is DOPE.
but...

it needs to be TIGHT (mmm too often is sloppy and cuts sh*t up too much imo) and it all depends on WHAT beats he drops.
if he would drop like original breaks they'v sampled or beastie remixes etc it would be super extra nice.
but do we really need to hear the beasties over nina skye or lil' ..... or yung ..... beats?

They did that in Awesome; I Fuckin' Shot That!. They changed the "Brass Monkey" beat to that Nina Sky "Move Your Body" song. I always thought that was kinda stupid.

[sugar free]

They did that in Awesome; I Fuckin' Shot That!. They changed the "Brass Monkey" beat to that Nina Sky "Move Your Body" song. I always thought that was kinda stupid.

that's what i'm saying.
i mean, what's next?
paul revere over that krispy tune?

[Shamus]

Some songs do need the sample or beat changed. I mean come on who really wants to hear the theme to "Mr Ed" during "Time to get Ill"?

[Sir SkratchaLot]

Some songs do need the sample or beat changed. I mean come on who really wants to hear the theme to "Mr Ed" during "Time to get Ill"?

That's one of the illest samples of all time!

[Kid Presentable]

That's one of the illest samples of all time!

Yeah, it pretty much flips my wig to this day that a song uses that sample, and Custard Pie, and Down on the Corner.

The Nena Sky beat sounded fresh over Brass Monkey, I thought. On an old song like that, I like how Mixington just changes the beat the whole time. It's very Paul's Buttock-ish.

[notorious G.U.T]

i love when he changes beats. i love the fact that i dont know what beat is coming next. it keeps it fresh and if the Boys didnt like it i dont think he would be up there

[venusvenus123]

i love when he changes beats. i love the fact that i dont know what beat is coming next. it keeps it fresh and if the Boys didnt like it i dont think he would be up there

i think this just about sums it up. (y)


...like the hammer to the nail hit the nail on the head:o

[Baseline]

I would like to see beasties collab with DJ Sara (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wbQiQEEVY1A)& DJ Ryusei:D
(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wbQiQEEVY1A)

[skept-a-cleptic]

I agree with it.