Adrock: "Next one is Serious/Political..."

[BeastieAlbum07]

http://mic-to-mic.blogspot.com/2007/09/next-album-will-be-very-serious.html

[Kid Presentable]

If so, good. I like them challenging the dumb shits.

[insertnamehere]

I personally never believe anything they say regarding future plans for the band. He could very well mean it, or that could be secret code for "its gonna be silly and ridiculous and I like screwin with interviewers"

I'm pretty sure it will be awesome either way.

[Jitters]

I just hope they weren't joking about the influences water balloons have on them.

[laurie_hammy]

I personally never believe anything they say regarding future plans for the band. He could very well mean it, or that could be secret code for "its gonna be silly and ridiculous and I like screwin with interviewers"

I'm pretty sure it will be awesome either way.

Agreed.

[pm0ney]

Man, if hes serious than fuck that. I cant take another "seriously political album."

Do you have any idea how dated TT5B sounds even now in 2007? Thats why I hate political music. It's very, very rare that a political song, much less a political album will ever stand the test of time.

Remember "Sun City"? Yeah, me neither.

[manwich]

Hell yeah I remember Sun City. That shit was tight, I was living in South Africa at the time and that's the first time I heard Run DMC. Shit is classic. But, anyways, I reckon that's a really weird comparison (TT5B and Sun City), I mean, TT5B had "hey fuck you" and "crawl space" and shit which had nothing to do with politics, and it was one bands album, not some collab stuff.

[Kid Presentable]

pmoney really, really wishes it were 1986 again.

I doubt Adrock was being serious, but if they did or didn't do the political thing, I'd just hope it is a case of "This album is awesome" instead of "What's Next?". I like when they go the conscious route, myself. It doesn't need to be "Poll Revere" or somesuch. They can do a smart record, I feel.

Whoever suggests they leave songs like Brrr Stick Em and And Then I off albums should be ignored, for now.

[pm0ney]

pmoney really, really wishes it were 1986 again.

I doubt Adrock was being serious, but if they did or didn't do the political thing, I'd just hope it is a case of "This album is awesome" instead of "What's Next?". I like when they go the conscious route, myself. It doesn't need to be "Poll Revere" or somesuch. They can do a smart record, I feel.

Whoever suggests they leave songs like Brrr Stick Em and And Then I off albums should be ignored, for now.

I love it how not liking political lyrics=wanting it to be 1986 all over again. Because thats what I said, right?

[RaZoRbLaDe KiSs]

^ I have to agree with you Money, I dont think I can take another all political album. TT5B was good, I liked the fun songs, but the entirely "fuck bush!" songs were god damn annoying in my opinion. He's gonna be out of office by then. Hopefully Hilary or Obama will be in, who says it will be as bad then?

Not to mention I dont think they have it in them to make an entirely serious 'Fight the power' type cd.

[Kid Presentable]

I love it how not liking political lyrics=wanting it to be 1986 all over again. Because thats what I said, right?

No, your constant talk of what will sell, and how will they promote records harks back to that time when they were concerned with selling and promoting records. Your perspective has always been strange to me, to each their own.

It's a real shame they shouldn't make something conscious according to some of you. It doesn't have to be all about the forests and sound as godawful as 'We Got The', but seriously, another disc of throwaway Hello Nasty carry-on? At least if they take a conscious route they'd have something to say. Rock critics accuse them of being preachy, because rock critics don't actually enjoy music. I appreciate their insights.

It's more than likely the comment was a joke, and is just fodder for this forum. If they're looking for feedback, I couldn't think of a better way for them to go. Something about doing lyrics and beats together arguably spreads them a little thin. They can write, and they can make quality music; they need to juggle that. Fuck it, they know what to do.

[RaZoRbLaDe KiSs]

^ whatever they put out will be good, that I am not worried about. Look at the Mix Up, when they first said it was going to be an instrumental, the board went into a frenzy. I've never seen such an up-roar from this MB, but in the long run everyone picked it up, jammed to it, and it was pretty kick ass.

I dont think they're worried about what will sell and what wont either. They're the freaking Beastie Boys, they're shit is gonna sell whether they like it or not. I think they proved that with the MU also. If they wanted an assload of money they'd be making shit they know will get thier asses all over MTV and the radio. I dont think they're interested in that anymore.

I never thought about it in that way, that he said it looking for feedback. They do come here an awful lot for inspiration/insight, so who knows. I dont think they'd joke about it being a political album, so I'm not sure why Adam would say that if he wasnt being serious. They dont kid around when it comes to politics.

But like I said before, If they're really going to make something political - it's going to be all about Bush, and is going to be outdated before it hits the shelves. I dont think they're that stupid.

Also, the only way they'd make it up to us/top TT5B by putting out a "Serious, political album." Is if they put out something completley like early PE/NWA type shit, and I honestly dont think that they have it in them. They arnt that serious, and they arnt that angry. I dont think they have it to release something so powerful.

[Kid Presentable]

About the PE point, I think they do have that style in them, completely. It's all in the presentation of the message. Rage succeeded because it lured the meatheads in with the rock angle, and even though the message may be largely ignored, it's still exposed to that audience. Compare Time to Build to World Gone Mad, you'll see the latter fails because it just sounds corny, the music on 'build' is dope, and it opens my (I won't speculate for others) ears up to the message.

The key word I'm using is conscious, not political. Yeah, they may love the political references, but I think the social picture is more relevant, and wouldn't date as quickly. We have a lot of problems that haven't changed in society for 40+ years, and many others that don't look like changing.

But as far as meeting the goal of something awe-inspiring, well they'd have to really push themselves. It's not that they can't do it, it's whether or not they could be bothered. All of the fan and critical backlash combined, I could see why they wouldn't, and that makes me hope they do go for it even more.

If (if, if) they went this direction, one of the first things they need to change is the 4 bars/ 4 bars/ 4 bars thing. It's hard to make a decent point in that many bars.

[RaZoRbLaDe KiSs]

I just cant see them succeeding with a strong, politcal album unless it's entirely angry and serious - and they just arnt like that.

In order for people to take them seriously I think they'd have to create something mean, and angry, and it just isnt them.

[Brother McDuff]

...ATTENTION...will one Mario Caldato Jr. please report to the front office, I repeat....will Mario Caldato please come to the front office...thank you........






If the boys were to re-enlist the real 4th bboy, I would probly have a heart attack out of excitement. I'm confident the next one will be dope however, but Mario really brings out the best in these three like no one else can.

[Kid Presentable]

Co-sign Ms Crafty. You don't need to be mean or angry about that sort of stuff, at all. Was 'Money' or 'Brick in the Wall' angry?

[Weezman]

it's 1992 and still no one to vote for....:o

[abcdefz]

Hell yeah I remember Sun City. That shit was tight, I was living in South Africa at the time and that's the first time I heard Run DMC. Shit is classic.



Heck, yeah. I have that album on my work computer, even. (y)

That whole album holds up well.

[sugar free]

imo music and politics don't mix.
sh*t'll sound dated before it's released.

[JohnnyChavello]

Co-sign Ms Crafty. You don't need to be mean or angry about that sort of stuff, at all. Was 'Money' or 'Brick in the Wall' angry?

Throwing my hat into this thing: I also agree that political hip-hop has to have an aggressive edge - think The Message, P.E.'s entire career, KRS-One, Ice Cube, Ice-T, The Coup, Dead Prez...whatever.

I think the reasons politics works in rock (and I suppose reggae) on a more laid-back approach is because rock songwriting is more open to subtlety and thematic metaphor. Hip-hop almost always works best when it's most direct.

Not saying it's not possible, but I love political music and I sat down to think of a non-hype political hip-hop song that's worth a shit and I couldn't think of one. Correct me if I'm wrong.

[Kid Presentable]

The rap stuff isn't shoutingly aggressive. Minority Report, They Schools, By the time I get to Arizona aren't rock music direct.

[RaZoRbLaDe KiSs]

bob marley made politically aware songs and he didn't have to sound angry when singing them

but Bob Mar had a powerful message about. He was preaching for the freedom fight, and talking about uniting the races. I am fully aware that the beasties COULD do this type of record if they put thier mind to it, (although they dont seem to be on that same thought track anymore.) but when it comes to politcal shit/bitching about Bush and the government, it's just gonna sound the same as TT5B and to be honest I aint tryin' to hear that.

[kll]

i hate the manatee

[Pootytang]

How in the hell are you guys going to critique, bitch and moan about an album that hasn't even come out yet. They haven't even hit the studio to start this album for that matter. Shit, they haven't even finished the tour supporting the last album.


Yalls needs to Chillz.

[Weezman]

How in the hell are you guys going to critique, bitch and moan about an album that hasn't even come out yet. They haven't even hit the studio to start this album for that matter. Shit, they haven't even finished the tour supporting the last album.


Yalls needs to Chillz.

(y) Good Point, speaking of ....has anyone seen Steve on-point around these parts??

[Kid Presentable]

How in the hell are you guys going to critique, bitch and moan about an album that hasn't even come out yet. They haven't even hit the studio to start this album for that matter. Shit, they haven't even finished the tour supporting the last album.


Yalls needs to Chillz.

That's why there's never any discussion on this forum. Who were you talking to/about?

[Weezman]

Who were you talking to/about?

DING DING!! :eek:

[Pootytang]

To anyone that is complaining about an album that hasn't even been released yet.

[insertnamehere]

I'm hoping TMU has inspired them to use their instruments more. Throw some old school clever sick rhymes over a funky bass line (y):cool:

I need more jams like Live at P.J.s

If they feel the need to do some song heavy on social commentary/political stuff i'd vote for doing those in a punk format

I'd like to keep $mark and the stand up bass on board, but I'm pretty sure as long as they keep their sense of humor, which I'm betting they could never lose, whatever they do will be good.

[Weezman]

......and yes I got to say fuck the KKK :p

[canucklehead200]

THEY TURNED DOWN F'IN WEMBLEY?!
are they nuts!
and forget the damn political crap i'm tired of that stuff, they've made their point now stop shoving it in our faces

[Brother McDuff]

forget the damn political crap i'm tired of that stuff, they've made their point now stop shoving it in our faces

I agree; maybe not as aggressively, but i agree. The boys have always had tact, a quality I hope they'll continue to pay attention to, especially with the political stuff. They've definitely made their point, declared their stance, sacrificed a few tracks to address the current political climate. Running such ideas into the ground and so-called "shoving it in their fans faces" would definitely prove detrimental to the significance of their music as a fun, universal language. They would further alienate many existing fans as well as disinterest potential fans. Not that fanbase is a primary concern of theirs at this juncture, but i'm sure they're very aware that such a move in that direction is going to do much more damage than good to their legacy.

And really, given their political endeavors on TT5B, what else can they do than just speak their mind. It's not like those tracks made any huge impact in the world. It's good to get your voice out there, but unless you're really taking it seriously and going headfirst into it, it becomes preachy real fast.

that said, though, if they were to make a completely political record next (which I really think was just a joke) or at all for that matter, regardless of the musical quality of it, I'd still respect their efforts anyhow. At least it shows that there hearts and minds are in a good place and that they'd sacrifice their "cool" personas to try and promote higher living.

[RaZoRbLaDe KiSs]

you don't know if they're going to be writing about bush. like you said, bush will be out of office soon, so it would be silly of the boys to write anything about him. i don't want to hear another TT5B either.

and the boys are capable of doing the angry, shouty stuff. Gratitude, Time For Livin', Heart Attack Man, Tough Guy, stuff from Aglio E Olio to name a few, they're not political but angry and mean sounding songs. i'm still waiting for the day they make another Sabotage


Then I dunno what they can preach about "politicaly" when the only problem they've ever seemed to have is with Bush.

I dont think any of those songs sound "angry", they're just Adam shouting. He can sound a lot angrier than that. Have you ever seen Lost Angels? Horovitz can be downright scary when he wants to be.

[RaZoRbLaDe KiSs]

I know Mike can scream, but his sounds more punkish, where Adam's is more angry, but it still isnt angry enough.

Awe, that's a shame. Once I DL'd Clerks 2 off of limewire and it was some sick porn. I hate that. (n) But anyways, in Lost Angels he plays a very agressive, angry young man and he's so good at the portrayal that it's almost scary. There are parts of the movie where he yells, and just the way he acts/things he says - He can be scary if he wants to be. You heard a lot of that in PB too, but not so much anymore.

I dont think they've got anything to be angry about.

[RaZoRbLaDe KiSs]

You can barely understand the bboys punk songs as it is. I dont want them to sound metal, but there are ways of making the music angry and getting your message across without going metal.

2pac for example - has beautiful lyrics, but they're still growling and agressive. He gets across that anger and hurt without screaming and things to that nature.

Lost angels pretty much was like soft porn. There's a naked "movie watching" scene, naked crazy chicks, and a bathroom sex scene. The only good part about it is that you get to see Adass/chest/arms/legs/butt. Tis good stuffs, I must admit. (y)

[kleptomaniac]

http://www.chartattack.com/DAMN/2006/07/2813.cfm

"Did you know Mike did softcore porn in the '80s?" asks Ad Rock, while cruising IMDB on his telephone.

By the way, the film that D was in is called Over Exposed. Plot summary: "A beautiful rock singer in need of some extra cash poses for some sexy photos for a men's magazine."

Ad Rock wanted you to know that.

it's funny that you guys are having a discussion that's half-politics and half-porn.

i can't wait for the next album, no matter what. :D

[kleptomaniac]

so anyways, what i'm trying to say is, yauch is totally due for his own soft porn flick, too! i'd like that. ;)

[RaZoRbLaDe KiSs]

WAIT.... Mike in soft porn??? you've got my attention.... For real? He's not joking? I always thought he was kidding when they were on Charlie Rose and he's like "go look up Mike D and see some of the stuff he's done."


DAMNIT!!! they dont even have it on Netflix... Wait wait... have we clarified... is it just a walk on role? Like "Hey im here to fix the copy machine." And walks off? or is it like *skin*??
hehe.. curious minds seek knowledge!

[RaZoRbLaDe KiSs]

so anyways, what i'm trying to say is, yauch is totally due for his own soft porn flick, too! i'd like that. ;)

Ditto. Where are the applications for female lead?

[kleptomaniac]

Ditto. Where are the applications for female lead?

that part was written for moi! hehe :p

WAIT.... Mike in soft porn??? you've got my attention.... For real? He's not joking? I always thought he was kidding when they were on Charlie Rose and he's like "go look up Mike D and see some of the stuff he's done."

mike d plays george (http://imdb.com/title/tt0087863/fullcredits#cast)

[RaZoRbLaDe KiSs]

Maniac, please....


So I take that as him having a "hi im the here to fix the..." role? Damn. :( That's okay I guess. It's really not hard to get a glipse of some skin from the boy these days, he seems to take a liking to being half dressed...

who's complaining?

[kleptomaniac]

who's complaining?

not me. :o

horovitz was probably joking around and mike only plays a small fully-dressed part. who knows? unless somebody's seen it! ;)

[RaZoRbLaDe KiSs]

Lol, i'm not either. It's a well known fact around these parts that I do love me some Mike!

I hope someone's seen it. Although if they dont have it on Netflix... damnit. :mad:

I didnt think Mike or Yauch acted in anything else but Tougher than Leather?

(They dont even have THAT on Netflix! *Shakes fist in fury!!*)

[Weezman]

Political, Schmit-ical!!! :rolleyes:

No one does it better than, RATM!! (y)

[easy 3]

[quote=RaZoRbLaDe KiSs;1512946]Then I dunno what they can preach about "politicaly" when the only problem they've ever seemed to have is with Bush.

- Have you not seen the Video to somethings got to give? (pre-Bush)

I feel the Beasties are pretty tactful really - from what I can tell they seem to put socially-conscious issues into practice as much if not more than they do preach. Tackling issues directly in your own sphere of influnce is better than descending into blindly loyal party politics to me.


And where did all this talk of 'who sounds angriest' come from? Political/serious does not necessarily equate to angry. Strong words are often best spoken softly.


I think it's a bit of a shame that 'This government needs a tune up' wasn't on TT5B - I thought it was probably the strongest of the directly political songs from that batch - the rhymes were tighter than on some of the tracks on TT5B and the politics more direct.

And if you don't like it then hey............lighten up.

[SugarInTheRaw]

I think it's a bit of a shame that 'This government needs a tune up' wasn't on TT5B - I thought it was probably the strongest of the directly political songs from that batch - the rhymes were tighter than on some of the tracks on TT5B and the politics more direct.


Never actually heard this song. I can't find it on iTunes or anywhere on the net for that matter. Does someone know where this song is posted so that I might be able to give it a listen? Thanks.

[kleptomaniac]

Never actually heard this song. I can't find it on iTunes or anywhere on the net for that matter. Does someone know where this song is posted so that I might be able to give it a listen? Thanks.

here (http://www.spring-garden-vfc.com/beastie/index.cfm?SectionID=4)

[SugarInTheRaw]

here (http://www.spring-garden-vfc.com/beastie/index.cfm?SectionID=4)

Love and respect, kleptomaniac. This is a crazy song. I wish I heard it a few years back. "Be careful what you say on the internet. We got a government that won't forget." Really spooky shit.

[LongDuckDong]

so anyways, what i'm trying to say is, yauch is totally due for his own soft porn flick, too! i'd like that. ;)

Yar. Especially since his dick is a treetrunk.

[kleptomaniac]

yeah, i know! he's so modest! ;P

[plutomama]

thank you for posting this cool/fun article - i like that they don't take the questions seriously, how could they? i'm sure it gets boring to be asked the things over and over again!

the fruit picking was the best! this is their way of making fun of the media! turning the tables is what they always do best! it keeps people guessing!

[IzzyNYC]

Speaking of Adrock and Politics::D

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=woP8SnldhpA

[Weezman]

Speaking of Adrock and Politics::D

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=woP8SnldhpA

What city was that, does anyone know??

[kleptomaniac]

What city was that, does anyone know??

los angeles (http://www.beastiemania.com/gigog/show.php?g=20040612)