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fucktopgirl
09-26-2007, 06:18 AM
http://blog.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=blog.view&friendID=45898750&blogID=311265590
Check it out!! THis is unbelievable....
http://video.google.ca/videoplay?docid=-7413014594912039561&q=university+of+florida+%2C+18+september&total=44&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=1
Disturbing peace? wtf the guy was asking a question that they did not liked, obviously!
yeahwho
09-26-2007, 08:31 AM
sad, our country is pathetic, questions frighten the status quo into violence.
fucktopgirl
09-26-2007, 08:40 AM
^ yeah, questionning about what they are doing up there is a crime, we have to shut our mouth and be nice little sheep that bêeeeeeh and are happy with what they are fed with: BUllshit.
I just realize that this have been already post by turd...
Anyway, that does not remove the effect of it.
Whatever. This guy was being a twat - every student was given a certain amount of time to ask whatever questions they wish, and he just kept going and going long past his turn. Not to mention he was just being dramatic and trying to make a scene...totally discouraging the open discussion format with John Kerry.
It has nothing to do with the questions he was asking, it has everything to do with him being an ass and ruining it for everyone else.
abcdefz
09-26-2007, 09:05 AM
Whatever. This guy was being a twat - every student was given a certain amount of time to ask whatever questions they wish, and he just kept going and going long past his turn. Not to mention he was just being dramatic and trying to make a scene...totally discouraging the open discussion format with John Kerry.
It has nothing to do with the questions he was asking, it has everything to do with him being an ass and ruining it for everyone else.
(y)
fucktopgirl
09-26-2007, 09:05 AM
It has everything to do with the question he was asking.
They did not tolerate him because he was openly questioning why Kerry, who supposedly had win the election , did not fight back when it was obvious that they cheated the election. Like i said in the other thread, maybe he was not calm enough , if it had been calm and ask his question with a moderate tone, maybe, i said , maybe things would have been different.
No, he asked his question. Several. They weren't telling him not to ask that question at all. When he actually was told to sit down he wasn't even asking questions anymore, he was just making thinly veiled accusations about Kerry and Bush's relationship to the Skull and Bones connecting them through some kind of vast conspiracy.
They honestly weren't shutting him up for asking controversial questions. That's not what was going on.
yeahwho
09-26-2007, 09:16 AM
They honestly weren't shutting him up for asking controversial questions. That's not what was going on.
They thought he enjoyed tasering. I think he asked once how does a jolt of electricity feel?
fucktopgirl
09-26-2007, 09:16 AM
No, he asked his question. Several. They weren't telling him not to ask that question at all. When he actually was told to sit down he wasn't even asking questions anymore, he was just making thinly veiled accusations about Kerry and Bush's relationship to the Skull and Bones connecting them through some kind of vast conspiracy.
They honestly weren't shutting him up for asking controversial questions. That's not what was going on.
Well they are indeed related together, Bush and Kerry, and are both part of this Skulls and bones brotherhood, no conspiracy there, it is a fact, just do some research.
no conspiracy there, it is a fact, just do some research.
I mean - I know that and you know that. People at the forum knew that. This is all a part of the reason the guy was told to sit down - just shouting and taking time away from everyone else's honest questions. He was claiming the Skull and Bones was some kind of power conspiracy sinister organization. He wasn't saying anything revolutionary or "opening eyes MAN!"
If I went to a forum discussion and totally ignored the rules and made my best effort to ruin the whole event for other people, I'd expect to be escorted out too.
fucktopgirl
09-26-2007, 09:29 AM
I mean - I know that and you know that. People at the forum knew that. This is all a part of the reason the guy was told to sit down - just shouting and taking time away from everyone else's honest questions. He was claiming the Skull and Bones was some kind of power conspiracy sinister organization. He wasn't saying anything revolutionary or "opening eyes MAN!"
If I went to a forum discussion and totally ignored the rules and made my best effort to ruin the whole event for other people, I'd expect to be escorted out too.
What rules? He just wanted to asked his questions, he was very passionated about it but so what? And bringing up that Kerry and Bush are in the same sort of club show how this election and all this administration is quite corrupt. But anyway, bottom line is, they, the police or guard, act wrongly. They abuse power by giving him electric shock . This was a good example for the students, don't fucking dare to question what your government is doing or else see what will happen.
TurdBerglar
09-26-2007, 09:30 AM
yeah this guy was a dickhead. he should have gotten tasered in the nuts.
TurdBerglar
09-26-2007, 09:31 AM
What rules? He just wanted to asked his questions, he was very passionated about it but so what? And bringing up that Kerry and Bush are in the same sort of club show how this election and all this administration is quite corrupt. But anyway, bottom line is, they, the police or guard, act wrongly. They abuse power by giving him electric shock . This was a good example for the students, don't fucking dare to question what your government is doing or else see what will happen.
no
he was being an ass on purpose. he did that shit on purpose for attention. his website has all these videos of these types of "stunts".
fucktopgirl
09-26-2007, 09:32 AM
do you have the link?
TurdBerglar
09-26-2007, 09:33 AM
look through my thread
fucktopgirl
09-26-2007, 09:34 AM
no time to digg shit up!
By "rules" I mean basically that it was a Q&A session, not a go-off-on-a-fucking-tangent-and-jump-on-your-imaginary-lunatic-soapbox & A session.
It's not "how dare you question your government." The police department there is having to do a shitload of paperwork now anyways to try to justify that action, it's not like it went unnoticed or like the population is quivering in fear of our police force.
http://tazeelo.ytmnd.com/
abcdefz
09-26-2007, 09:37 AM
no time to digg shit up!
Plenty of time to stay willfully ignorant, though! (y)
fucktopgirl
09-26-2007, 09:39 AM
You guys seem to forget what is important here, they shut the guy off because he asked questions that Kerry didn't wanted to answer.
It show how flexible the government is when people get off the mold or the path of how you should behave and what you should ask.
Turd, what others stunt the guy have on his site, give me example!
fucktopgirl
09-26-2007, 09:41 AM
Plenty of time to stay willfully ignorant, though! (y)
hahaha, yea sure!!
call my saying what you want , i still stand my ground on this. I don't think my saying are ignorant, i am just stating my opinion on the matter and it is as legitimate as your.
You guys seem to forget what is important here, they shut the guy off because he asked questions that Kerry didn't wanted to answer.
NOT THE ISSUE.
Kerry was willing to answer the question, but that guy wouldn't give him half a second to speak. That was the problem - the guy wouldn't SHUT UP and let the session go on. He didn't really even have a question, he just wanted to shout at the modest crowd of people who came to see the ex-presidential hopeful. No one is trying to suppress dissent, hide the truth, or discourage open discussion - that's not what this guy was interested in.
TurdBerglar
09-26-2007, 09:44 AM
HE JUST WANTED ATTENTION AND A VIDEO FOR HIS WEBSITE
abcdefz
09-26-2007, 09:45 AM
hahaha, yea sure!!
call my saying what you want , i still stand my ground on this. I don't think my saying are ignorant, i am just stating my opinion on the matter and it is as legitimate as your.
Um, no it's not. Mine is based in reality.
fucktopgirl
09-26-2007, 09:48 AM
NOT THE ISSUE.
Kerry was willing to answer the question, but that guy wouldn't give him half a second to speak. That was the problem - the guy wouldn't SHUT UP and let the session go on. He didn't really even have a question, he just wanted to shout at the modest crowd of people who came to see the ex-presidential hopeful. No one is trying to suppress dissent, hide the truth, or discourage open discussion - that's not what this guy was interested in.
YES THE ISSUE
we will never know if Kerry would have answer, they come to take him out before. It was his turn for a question after 2 hours of listening. When the cops arrived behind him , he start to be more nervous and for a good reason. I think his observation and questioning was an unpopular stand therefore this explain why it end like it did. he was interrogating something that was not cover in the mainstream media.
fucktopgirl
09-26-2007, 09:49 AM
Um, no it's not. Mine is based in reality.
well, i have a new for you, mine too!
You guys seem to forget what is important here, they shut the guy off because he asked questions that Kerry didn't wanted to answer.
is that why kerry was saying "no, it's alright, let me answer his question"?
Turd, what others stunt the guy have on his site, give me example!
you really haven't looked into this at all, have you? half of the news stories that reported this story report that meyer was well known for his practical jokes. i can't find the guy's site, but pretty much every story talks about them, i see no reason to believe that's not true. for example;
http://www.suntimes.com/news/nation/563864,CST-NWS-taser19.article
Meyer has his own Web site and it contains several ''comedy'' videos that he appears in. In one, he stands in a street with a sign that says ''Harry Dies'' after the latest Harry Potter book was released. In another, he acts like a drunk while trying to pick up a woman in a bar.
The site also has what is called a ''disorganized diatribe'' attributed to Meyer that criticizes the Iraq war, the news media for not covering the conflict enough and the American public for paying too much attention to celebrity news.
no wonder you like him so much :rolleyes:
also, the kid's attitude apparently changed a little once he got off camera.
http://media.www.browndailyherald.com/media/storage/paper472/news/2007/09/26/CampusWatch/U.Of-Florida.Tasing.Incident.Garnering.National.Attenti on-2992542.shtml
Mallo also reported that Meyer was laughing and being lighthearted in the car - his demeanor completely changed once the cameras were not in sight. She said he asked if the cameras would be at the jail and expressed understanding for his arrest.
"Meyer stated, on the way to the jail, 'I am not mad at you guys, you didn't do anything wrong, you were just trying to do your job,' " she reported.
i don't think they should have tasered him, that was definitely excessive, but this punk got exactly what he wanted. he wasn't there to be civil and promote intellegent discourse and freedom of expression, he was there to make a scene and provoke the police and that's what he did. kid wanted to be oppressed. nobody who wants to promote a civil discussion acts like that.
TurdBerglar
09-26-2007, 09:52 AM
im sure those security guards had no clue what the fuck was being spoken about in that room anyways.
fucktopgirl
09-26-2007, 09:55 AM
haha yea, like what happening ? oh, we have to take him down, alright, let get the taser on him.... They obviously follow order from somewhere.
abcdefz
09-26-2007, 09:59 AM
you really haven't looked into this at all, have you?
The truth will set you free. Obviously, she doesn't want that.
fucktopgirl
09-26-2007, 09:59 AM
If we assume, like waus did say , that everybody know about skulls and bones, why don't they fucking talk about it on national news. Why they don't say that Kerry and Bush play golf together or bang sheep together while sipping on a nice cocktailand talk about world economic affair and such? Obviously , this is not something they want the mass population to know about it, they want the people to still think that they are in different political party and that they stand for different ideology , when in fact, they are in the same team, the neo-liberalism. So, i think the question was not something Kerry wanted to openly discuss about.
TurdBerglar
09-26-2007, 10:00 AM
i'd be funny if he wasn't even actually tasered. from what i can remember from the video you don't even really see anyone pulling out a taser and zapping him. all of a sudden you just see him screaming on the floor. he could have easily done that himself. and he seemed to recover pretty quickly.
fucktopgirl
09-26-2007, 10:00 AM
The truth will set you free. Obviously, she doesn't want that.
What truth? the propaganda or the real fucking truth?
TurdBerglar
09-26-2007, 10:02 AM
propaganda? this guy was THE ONE MAKING THE VIDEO
What truth? the propaganda or the real fucking truth?
uh, the real one
abcdefz
09-26-2007, 10:05 AM
I realize now we're being unreasonable trying to use reason here.
fucktopgirl
09-26-2007, 10:09 AM
yea, i agree....
fucktopgirl
09-26-2007, 10:10 AM
propaganda? this guy was THE ONE MAKING THE VIDEO
Maybe to show how moronic some people are and react to particular question?
No, right, he was just a fucking stunt kiddo...and everything else is worth dismissing it.
I think something is being lost in translation here.
TurdBerglar
09-26-2007, 10:13 AM
Maybe to show how moronic some people are and react to particular question?
No, right, he was just a fucking stunt kiddo...and everything else is worth dismissing it.
well his propaganda sure has you under control
fucktopgirl
09-26-2007, 10:17 AM
not really...i just don't like how the event unfolded....It clearly show a side of your country: State police.
TurdBerglar
09-26-2007, 10:19 AM
no
it clearly shows how much of an ass the kid is
i'd be funny if he wasn't even actually tasered. from what i can remember from the video you don't even really see anyone pulling out a taser and zapping him. all of a sudden you just see him screaming on the floor. he could have easily done that himself. and he seemed to recover pretty quickly.
ha, yeah, now that you mention it. it's like "WHAT DID I DO? OH NO IS THAT A TASER? DON'T TASE ME BRO! OH NO, YOU'RE TASERING ME, WHY ARE YOU TASERING ME, LOOK AT ME I'M BEING TASERED AAAAHHHHHH NOT THE BEES OH GOD MY EYES"
this guy is no MLK
fucktopgirl
09-26-2007, 10:21 AM
no
it clearly shows how much of an ass the kid is
Maybe it show both!
"david got shot!"
"oh my god, what happened?"
"he was just shooting at the cops, and they killed him!"
"those bastards!"
fucktopgirl
09-26-2007, 10:24 AM
^ this has nothing to do with the situation, your analogy suck man!!
abcdefz
09-26-2007, 10:25 AM
now we see the violence inherent in the system
TurdBerglar
09-26-2007, 10:26 AM
Maybe it show both!
what if you threw a party and some dude showed up and caused a problem and would not leave? wouldn't you force ably kick him out of the house and along the way maybe add some punches to the face?
fucktopgirl
09-26-2007, 10:28 AM
what if you threw a party and some dude showed up and caused a problem and would not leave? wouldn't you force ably kick him out of the house and along the way maybe add some punches to the face?
hahah, yes that was a hell of a party with Kerry he?
But no, i would use an ax and cut off his head.
now we see the violence inherent in the system
exactly
fucktopgirl
09-26-2007, 10:30 AM
now we see the violence inherent in the system
yes, by saying fucking suck, it clearly show that i am a violent person but that is nothing...
abcdefz
09-26-2007, 10:33 AM
Here's an analogy:
You know how, in professional sports, a player or a coach can argue with a ref or an umpire to some extent, but then when it gets abusive and the person has been warned to stop and they don't, they can be ejected from the game? This is a lot like that, except with a Taser. (y)
TurdBerglar
09-26-2007, 10:35 AM
when you're in somebody elses house you follow the god damn rules and do what you're told.
fucktopgirl
09-26-2007, 10:38 AM
The guy was just asking questions!!!
TurdBerglar
09-26-2007, 10:39 AM
he was HEAVILY resisting being told what to do by people that have authority over him
fucktopgirl
09-26-2007, 10:44 AM
Yes, and he was right because they start to take him out when he was asking questions, what wrong was he doing, after that he became more angry and agitated then the police became also more coercive.
SAdly, you cannot argue authority, you have to bend over, that guy did not.
The guy was just asking questions!!!
for god's sake no he wasn't. he was deliberately breaking the rules and making a a scene in the hopes that the cops would react. it's a q&a session with rules, everyone has to wait their turn and they have a time limit so that others can have their turn. this guy cut ahead in line, stayed past his time, and got abusive when they asked him to leave. i really wish the cops hadn't tasered him or used such excessive force so that idiots wouldn't be able to rally around this guy, but they were absolutely justified in ejecting him.
is this how freedom of speech works? everyone has an inviolable right to jump and shout and be a jackass and make a scene? is that what passes for discourse?
TurdBerglar
09-26-2007, 10:45 AM
Yes, and he was right because they start to take him out when he was asking questions, what wrong was he doing, after that he became more angry and agitated then the police became also more coercive.
SAdly, you cannot argue authority, you have to bend over, that guy did not.
so you're saying that if this shithead was in your house acting like a fool you would not do something about it? you would not use your authority to get him out?
fucktopgirl
09-26-2007, 10:53 AM
for god's sake no he wasn't. he was deliberately breaking the rules and making a a scene in the hopes that the cops would react. it's a q&a session with rules, everyone has to wait their turn and they have a time limit so that others can have their turn. this guy cut ahead in line, stayed past his time, and got abusive when they asked him to leave. i really wish the cops hadn't tasered him or used such excessive force so that idiots wouldn't be able to rally around this guy, but they were absolutely justified in ejecting him.
is this how freedom of speech works? everyone has an inviolable right to jump and shout and be a jackass and make a scene? is that what passes for discourse?
The way in understand the situation, it was his turn to ask question, no? And about the time, he was not able to finished to ask his question.he did not even received an answer.Talk about him taking time of others...I did mention before, that the guy was maybe really agitated so if you take the same question with a person that is more calm , this will maybe not have happen.
I don' t see how he did break the rules, how?
TurdBerglar
09-26-2007, 10:54 AM
WE TOLD YOU HOW HE BROKE THE RULES
CHRIST
MANY TIMES WE TOLD YOU
The way in understand the situation, it was his turn to ask question, no? And about the time, he was not able to finished to ask his question.he did not even received an answer.Talk about him taking time of others...I did mention before, that the guy was maybe really agitated so if you take the same question with a person that is more calm , this will maybe not have happen.
I don' t see how he did break the rules, how?
i just told you how! he cut in line and stayed past his time limit!
abcdefz
09-26-2007, 10:55 AM
The way in understand the situation, it was his turn to ask question, no? And about the time, he was not able to finished to ask his question.he did not even received an answer.Talk about him taking time of others...I did mention before, that the guy was maybe really agitated so if you take the same question with a person that is more calm , this will maybe not have happen.
I don' t see how he did break the rules, how?
*tasers fuckedupgirl*
the guy isn't even interested in getting an answer to the question. every time kerry starts to answer he cuts him off and starts saying something else.
this guy was not out for answers, he was out for publicity
fucktopgirl
09-26-2007, 10:59 AM
so you're saying that if this shithead was in your house acting like a fool you would not do something about it? you would not use your authority to get him out?
My discourse is simple, they abuse their power and i assume it has something to do with the questions.
It comes down to how they deal with the situation , i mean you like how they handle the guy? I am shock to see that instead of thinking that the police is wrong, you guys think it is the guy. He was an agitator , he should have stay calm still...
fucktopgirl
09-26-2007, 11:00 AM
*tasers fuckedupgirl*
bastard!:D
laurette
09-26-2007, 11:03 AM
Sorry I should have checked the threads...
It's unbelieavable! I even wondered if it was a fake but I hope things will get better thanks to you, really.
My discourse is simple, they abuse their power and i assume it has something to do with the questions.
It comes down to how they deal with the situation , i mean you like how they handle the guy? I am shock to see that instead of thinking that the police is wrong, you guys think it is the guy. He was an agitator , he should have stay calm still...
like i said, i don't think the police acted appropriately. the guy deserved to be kicked out, but not like that. the taser (assuming it actually happened) was definitely uncalled for (he was already on the ground) and i don't think they needed to surround him and wrestle him to the ground like that. just escorting him to the door would have sufficed.
my point is, a reaction was called for, but not one that excessive. the fact that the police acted so disproportionately doesn't suddenly make the guy right though
TurdBerglar
09-26-2007, 11:06 AM
i just told you how! he cut in line and stayed past his time limit!
don't forget he did not leave when they verbally asked him too. that's why the guards were already behind him in the video. he would not leave so they sent the gaurds over. he still didn't leave when the guards arrived so they grabbed him. he resisted so they had to force him out. they didn't need to taser him but he well deserved it.
fucktopgirl
09-26-2007, 11:09 AM
you guys should check again this video in my first post..
TurdBerglar
09-26-2007, 11:14 AM
i did and it's still the same. he's an ass
ms.peachy
09-26-2007, 11:17 AM
it is a fact, just do some research.
no time to digg shit up!
:rolleyes:
Everyone needs to do research except you, as clearly, you are far too busy, I guess.
fucktopgirl
09-26-2007, 11:25 AM
:rolleyes:
Everyone needs to do research except you, as clearly, you are far too busy, I guess.
euh, this is totally out of context now. What is relevant in this particular situation is what did happen at this session. Stunt or not, it does not change what did actually happen. The guy try to ask question and then you know the rest. His question was more some sort of accusation at one point, he did not act in a very clever way, he should have stay calm even when the police came behind him. Nonetheless, after 2 minutes of him formatting his question, they came along and ask him out. 2 minutes, not like he abuse the time here.
So..what you take on the situation MS peachy then?
ms.peachy
09-26-2007, 11:30 AM
So..what you take on the situation MS peachy then?
I believe John Stewart accurately posited that it was a clear combination of excessive force and student douchebaggery.
fucktopgirl
09-26-2007, 11:36 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1sA-sNtG2OY
this does not even show the beginning of the situation.
http://blog.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=blog.view&friendID=45898750&blogID=311265590
this one is more accurate
fucktopgirl
09-26-2007, 11:43 AM
It did not go over his time, he only speak for like 2 minutes, lie.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ridSOsxuU50&mode=related&search=
this one is total propaganda because if you check my link, he was with the rules, ready to ask his questions, Even Kerry give him the right to ask them. But in this video they said he cut in line and they show just the end of his questioning , like he just run to take the mic and then they come to take him out. This is outrageous to see how news report the event without fairness and accuracy.
TurdBerglar
09-26-2007, 12:07 PM
if the guy was calm and relaxed and acting like a reasonable person this would have never happened. he caused it himself. he brought it upon himself. he was being disruptive, disorderly and obnoxious. can't you see that?
if the guy was calm and relaxed and acting like a reasonable person this would have never happened. he caused it himself. he brought it upon himself. he was being disruptive, disorderly and obnoxious. can't you see that?
he wasn't even giving kerry the opportunity to answer, he kept cutting him off with more "questions"
fucktopgirl
09-26-2007, 01:20 PM
it did do an introduction with the book and all after he ask a question then they came along to take him out, this is where he did go all stressed and ask question concerning the Skulls and Bones society and the link between him,Kerry, and Bush.
I don't see him as being disruptive really other then he panic when authority came along. Other then that, he did follow the procedure of the Q&A session, what the news tell about him cutting people in the rank , it is absolute non sense, when he ask his questions, it was his turn. But...lack of self control or intelligence on both part is the cause of this altercation.
I am quite happy to be in Canada tho, fuck Usa is a nazi state, taser seem to be something that happen more then often.
what the news tell about him cutting people in the rank , it is absolute non sense, when he ask his questions, it was his turn.
there's no way to tell from the video. you see kerry speaking, then you see meyer at the microphone and he starts talking. the video doesn't show you whether or not he cut in line or waited his turn, that information must have come from witness accounts or something.
fucktopgirl
09-26-2007, 02:27 PM
therefore this element should be discredited from all account, because we don't know for sure that he did actually cut in line.
Maybe this information was add to the story to build the case of the student who don't respect order, i have some reserve about this theory.
But , once again that not relevant to what we see on the clip. We clearly see that Kerry give him the right to speak, he started to introduce his question with the book and then go further with his idea and ask his first question. Right at this moment police arrived and ask him to stop and come. Then he reply that he listen for 2 hours to Kerry so he have the right to ask his question , then things just degenerated from there rapidly.
therefore this element should be discredited from all account, because we don't know for sure that he did actually cut in line.
what? no it shouldn't. the reporters who wrote the stories based it on more than just a youtube video. there were witnesses, police reports. just because we can't see it on the video doesn't mean it didn't happen, and just because you don't want to believe that it happened doesn't mean you can just dismiss it
fucktopgirl
09-26-2007, 04:35 PM
what? no it shouldn't. the reporters who wrote the stories based it on more than just a youtube video. there were witnesses, police reports. just because we can't see it on the video doesn't mean it didn't happen, and just because you don't want to believe that it happened doesn't mean you can just dismiss it
Well, i will base my judgment on what i saw and read but not in the main stream news, those are not reliable source of information, i never saw anything that demonstrate that he act without caring about the people around and acting to cause a riot . It has nothing to do with me not wanting to believe per se, but there is no evidence of it.
Anyway, that he did cut in line or not does not change what did happen, once again. This was clearly an abuse of power that illustrate how your country is becoming a police state, and since 9/11 it is worst then ever.
TurdBerglar
09-26-2007, 04:42 PM
the mainstream news would rather side with this guy. the fact that they don't fully side with him tells you something.
fucktopgirl
09-26-2007, 04:45 PM
I don't agree...i check mainstream news like cnn and shit like that and they are full of shit.
This is clearly what it is, an assault to freedom of speech. The end.
TurdBerglar
09-26-2007, 04:48 PM
no
it's an assault from the kid on not listening to authority. he was told to move on and he didn't and he was dealt with. they were not out of place for telling him to fuck off.
fucktopgirl
09-26-2007, 04:54 PM
Yes, they were , because he was just asking a fucking question. This were the abuse of power is, they did not let him finished his question. BECAUSE THE QUESTION WAS A BIT TOO DANGEROUS.
the kid did not assault anyone, he have been the one tase, dammit, he was just speaking his mind which was not the usual questioning that kerry must have because people think he is alright. Well, he is made of the same thing as Bush: shit. His question was disturbing and right on spot about an issue that have been forgotten.
Well, i will base my judgment on what i saw and read but not in the main stream news, those are not reliable source of information, i never saw anything that demonstrate that he act without caring about the people around and acting to cause a riot . It has nothing to do with me not wanting to believe per se, but there is no evidence of it.
Anyway, that he did cut in line or not does not change what did happen, once again. This was clearly an abuse of power that illustrate how your country is becoming a police state, and since 9/11 it is worst then ever.
i never said he was trying to instigate a riot. i never said he was trying to harm anyone around him. i said he was trying to make a scene, that he was trying to provoke the police into action, to get them to arrest him or at least drag him out of the room. it seems pretty clear to me from the video that it wasn't his goal to get actual answers to his questions because as you can see, every time kerry starts to answer, meyer cuts him off and starts shouting again. the police come up and he gets verbally abusive. they start to physically escort him out and he becomes physically abusive, he starts flailing around.
he wasn't there to ask questions, he was there to be oppressed. he pretty clearly wanted to get arrested. when they get him out to the police car, away from the cameras, his tone changed completely. he starts laughing and says stuff like "i don't blame you for doing your job". it was either a prank or a ploy for attention. i think it's fucked up as much as the next guy that they used as much force as they did, i'll agree that that was abuse of power, that was excessive, but this guy is hardly sympathetic. fuck, i bet he couldn't be happier that they tasered him (although i bet he doesn't think that all the criminal charges he's facing are very funny, and neither do i)
as for the cutting in line thing, i don't know what to tell you. if i found a myspace blog that said he was cutting in line would you believe it? i know those are reputable
TurdBerglar
09-26-2007, 04:57 PM
he was told to move on
he ignored the warning
he was dealt with
he is not entitled to disrupt things. no one is entitled to disruption. he acted like a fool the whole time he was asking questions. that's why he was asked to move on.
he was told to move on
he ignored the warning
he was dealt with
he is not entitled to disrupt things. no one is entitled to disruption. he acted like a fool the whole time he was asking questions. that's why he was asked to move on.
initially they didn't even ask him to leave. he gets up to the microphone and starts talking about the book that he read that apparently makes him noam chomsky or something, and keeps talking and then you can hear the cop say "please ask your question", and he flips out and goes "EXCUSE ME I'M GOING TO INFORM THEM AND THEN I'M GOING TO ASK MY QUESTION", then he asks a question and instead of allowing a response proceeds to ask more questions without pausing for breath until they cut off his microphone
i will say this though, they definitely did taser him. you can't see it but you can hear the clicking noise
TurdBerglar
09-26-2007, 05:07 PM
yeah i heard it to
but the fucker deserved it. they sure didn't need to zap him but he was more than asking for it.
fucktopgirl
09-26-2007, 05:16 PM
You guys don't even stand for your own peers.....
The police are the asshole here and us citizens should be bound together at one extent. even if the guy was a bit nervous , and i can understand why, there was no need to act like this. If you closely look at the video, you'll see that when he talk about the election and the vote of the black people that have been whipped, you'll see that the police just came around and pressure him.
Obviously, the question has something to do with all this, not just his behavior.
yeah i heard it to
but the fucker deserved it. they sure didn't need to zap him but he was more than asking for it.
don't get me wrong, i enjoyed watching him get tased a little, but the police have absolutely no excuse for doing it
i would have preferred it if another student would have punched him in the nose or something
TurdBerglar
09-26-2007, 05:21 PM
i agree they should not have done it because there was no need for it. but i support strict and hard punishment. i agree for the sake of pure punishment.
If you closely look at the video, you'll see that when he talk about the election and the vote of the black people that have been whipped, you'll see that the police just came around and pressure him.
Obviously, the question has something to do with all this, not just his behavior.
you really can't tell from the way the video is framed that that's what happened. the focus is entirely on him, you can't tell at all what's going on around him. all you see is a policewoman enter the frame at that point and say "ask your question". you don't know how long they've been there or how many there were or what their intentions were.
his mic gets cut off a little after "clinton got impeached for a blowjob" clearly there's some kind of christian conservative conspiracy at work here
also this guy isn't my peer, i don't identify with him
TurdBerglar
09-26-2007, 05:32 PM
and all the people clapping in the room probably don't consider him their peer...
fucktopgirl
09-26-2007, 06:27 PM
yeah, well i am pretty sure they don't even know why they are clapping.
TurdBerglar
09-26-2007, 06:46 PM
because that idiot was being taken away
fucktopgirl
09-26-2007, 06:55 PM
was he taken away?
Bottom line is that: your freedom of expression is getting shorter and shorter.
TurdBerglar
09-26-2007, 07:00 PM
as long as it keeps idiots like that quiet im all for it
fucktopgirl
09-26-2007, 07:08 PM
well, that is the thing, it will apply to everybody!Even people like you!
TurdBerglar
09-26-2007, 07:11 PM
fine by me
you'll never see me in a room full of people while acting like a complete obnoxious and disruptive ass. so it will have no affect on me.
fucktopgirl
09-26-2007, 07:24 PM
he was obnoxious because he dare to ask question that challenge the mainstream conception of what really happened ?
I don' t see how you find this behavior obnoxious, Bush going to war on false premises is more obnoxious to me then a student trying to have answers to his question, but it was silly of him to even hope that those would be answer.
I mean c'mon, you think Kerry would openly discuss about the fucked up in the election and his relation to the skull and bones brotherhood? that was stupid of him.
The lies perpetrate about how the middle east people are barbarian and all of them are terrorist is more offending and deranging to me then a student trying to ask question to a corrupt leader.
You see, you got to have a peripheral vision of all of this and were this little altercation stand in the big picture.
For me, this show how people cannot say what they want. You cannot defy authority and the power establish because you will get tase. So it is some sort of intimidation to any future dissident of the establish order.
TurdBerglar
09-26-2007, 07:29 PM
HOW MANY TIME DO WE NEED TO TELL YOU AND SHOW YOU THAT THE GUY DIDN'T EVEN CARE ABOUT HIS QUESTIONS BEING ANSWERED. HE WAS JUST CAUSING A STIR. HE'S INTENTIONS WERE TO CAUSE DISORDER. NOT TO HAVE HIS QUESTIONS ANSWERED.
had he asked his questions in an orderly fashion this would have never happened. he wanted it to happen because he thinks it's fun to do these things and post it on the net. all he was looking for was attention.
the police approached him not because of his questions but because he was acting extremely rude and disorderly.
are you retarded? or maybe me and bob are more retarded for even taken your opinions into consideration.
fucktopgirl
09-26-2007, 07:33 PM
well, we just are not in accord on the issue, that all.
Why his intention was to cause disorder? Maybe he was sincere about his question, you don't know about this.
where is the fucking link to his website then?
Anyway,yes please, i would like to have some disorder anyway...fuck authority dammit. Bunch of freaking sheeps.
FUCK AUTHORITY
TurdBerglar
09-26-2007, 07:36 PM
you're an idiot
fucktopgirl
09-26-2007, 07:37 PM
thank you.. i have the same feeling toward you, constipate mind!
TurdBerglar
09-26-2007, 07:38 PM
idiot
fucktopgirl
09-26-2007, 07:38 PM
dickhead
Audio.
09-26-2007, 08:02 PM
you guys can sure use a burrito
JohnnyChavello
09-26-2007, 11:37 PM
had he asked his questions in an orderly fashion this would have never happened. he wanted it to happen because he thinks it's fun to do these things and post it on the net. all he was looking for was attention.
the police approached him not because of his questions but because he was acting extremely rude and disorderly.
are you retarded? or maybe me and bob are more retarded for even taken your opinions into consideration.
Ha ha. I've seen a lot of discussion about this on the web and there's always a bunch of douchebags like you talking about whether this guy asked for it or not. That is really not the question. The kid was being an ass - so what?
First of all, the disruption really began when the "police" (shouldn't we actually say campus security?) attempted to make an unlawful arrest. There is absolutely no legal basis to take an individual into custody for asking too many questions, or being annoying, and citizens have the right - under law - to use reasonable force to resist an unlawful arrest. This is exactly what he was doing. He continued to resist reasonably and they tasered him - excessive.
I hope he brings a lawsuit against the security guards and the University of Florida for violating his constitutional rights, as guaranteed by the Fourth and Fourteenth Amendments to the United States Constitution.
fucktopgirl
09-27-2007, 05:34 AM
^ i concur and i am relief to see that other people think along the same line as me.
TurdBerglar
09-27-2007, 08:30 AM
he was ask to leave and did not leave. im sure you can arrest someone for that. and since there's a politcal figure in the room it makes the situation that much more stressing.
TurdBerglar
09-27-2007, 08:55 AM
and you can't claim freedom of speech if you're disturbing others. you can't go outside in your neighborhood and start ranting at 2am. when the police show up and you can't claim freedom of speech. you're freedoms are dismissed when they interfere with other's freedoms. this guy was being a disturbance. knowingly being a disturbance. it's the same type of situation as going outside in you neighborhood and just causing a scene at the expense of others. it's highly rude and inconsiderate as well. the people were there to have a discussions with kerry. this guy barges in and just causes havoc. you can't do that.
and is a auditorium at a university considerd a public area? or is it private?
skra75
09-27-2007, 12:04 PM
he was obnoxious because he dare to ask question that challenge the mainstream conception of what really happened ?
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Um you are from Canada
Your freedom of speech is not under scrutiny.
we don't know the whole story here
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Also, the guy was a bonehead, he was wearing an Aeropostale Shirt. Come on now.
fucktopgirl
09-27-2007, 08:28 PM
[QUOTE=skra75;1516319]Um you are from Canada
Your freedom of speech is not under scrutiny.
And? Your point?
we don't know the whole story here
WE know enough to see that something was wrong
Also, the guy was a bonehead, he was wearing an Aeropostale Shirt. Come on now.
I cannot argue about that, i don't even know why this is bad!!
JohnnyChavello
09-27-2007, 10:51 PM
and you can't claim freedom of speech if you're disturbing others....you're freedoms are dismissed when they interfere with other's freedoms. this guy was being a disturbance. knowingly being a disturbance....this guy barges in and just causes havoc. you can't do that.
and is a auditorium at a university considerd a public area? or is it private?
A public university is most definitely a public forum - a public university being used to facilitate political discussion is about as close to the core of what the First Amendment is all about as you can possibly get.
By the way, thank you for enlightening us as to what free speech does and does not protect, counselor. Did you write that garbage on your Bar exam? The First Amendment's free speech provisions are designed to protect "disturbing" speech (assuming, for the sake of argument, that asking a political figure political questions is disturbing). In some sense you're right: generally, individual freedoms are limited to the extent that they begin to interfere with the rights of those around you. Our forefathers, however, decided that the right to speek freely and engage in political debate was a bit more valuable in the grand scheme of things than the right of those present to have a pleasant experience, free of any petty annoyances or "disturbances." I tend to agree with them on that point.
TurdBerglar
09-27-2007, 10:57 PM
no matter what the guy was still an ass.
fucktopgirl
09-28-2007, 08:11 AM
this is not the issue here... don't you see?!
TurdBerglar
09-28-2007, 01:10 PM
yes it is. that's why they wanted him out. because of his bahavior. not because of what he was saying.
fucktopgirl
09-28-2007, 01:14 PM
yes because of his bahavior, indeed!
TurdBerglar
09-28-2007, 01:22 PM
had he not been ranting and raving and acting uncivilized they would have not approached him and asked him to leave. had he not been ranting and raving and they still did this shit to him then i would totally see a problem. had he not resisted them escorting him out he would not have been arrested. had he not resisted being arrested he would not have been tasered. i do agree that the tasering was not needed. it's that i feel he deserved it for making such a useless commotion at the expense of the police and ESPECIALLY the rest of the people in the room.
fucktopgirl
09-28-2007, 01:42 PM
http://blog.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=blog.view&friendID=45898750&blogID=311265590
when he said the word'' black voters'' they came and ask him out.
Then he stressed out...his questions were too dangerous. I will stand my ground on this. And i don't see what is not ''civilized'' there. He freaked out and for a good reason.
It is all about the topic.When he start with his question he was alright, maybe he had a arrogant tone but no problem there. It is when they saw were he was going that they received the order to take him out.
TurdBerglar
09-28-2007, 01:45 PM
HE WAS RANTING!
rattling off a bunch of shit and not even giving kerry an opportunity to respond!
HE WAS RANTING!
rattling off a bunch of shit and not even giving kerry and opportunity to respond!
Give it up dude, it's like trying to talk sense into a water heater. She's making this some kind of political oppression issue when it's obvious (to level-headed clear-thinking individuals) that it's not.
The only issue I could concede at all is a person's right to just say whatever they want...but he was doing it at the expense of other people. Not applicable.
TurdBerglar
09-28-2007, 01:55 PM
right
his freedom of speech/expression was forfeited when he became disorderly. if everyone was aloud to be as disorderly as he was then it would be totally usesless to have a mass discussion in that manner the university was attempting.
http://blog.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=blog.view&friendID=45898750&blogID=311265590
when he said the word'' black voters'' they came and ask him out.
no they didn't. they told him to ask his question, not to leave. it was a q&a session, not a "please listen to me rant, john kerry" session. it wasn't until he continued to fail to ask a question that they asked him to leave.
it's not entirely clear that they were even "arresting" him right away. it's possible that they were just trying to escort him out of the room, then he started flailing around and fighting them, giving them reason to take him down.
Then he stressed out...his questions were too dangerous. I will stand my ground on this. And i don't see what is not ''civilized'' there. He freaked out and for a good reason.
again, no he didn't. they were asking him to get to the point. he chose not to.
It is all about the topic.When he start with his question he was alright, maybe he had a arrogant tone but no problem there. It is when they saw were he was going that they received the order to take him out.
yeah. NEW WORLD ORDERS
fucktopgirl
09-28-2007, 02:18 PM
Give it up dude, it's like trying to talk sense into a water heater. She's making this some kind of political oppression issue when it's obvious (to level-headed clear-thinking individuals) that it's not.
You are calling yourself a level-headed clear -thinking individuals? I think that you are swimming in an illusion here. And the proof is that you are insulting me. Weak mind do that, instead of debating the issue, personal attack, nice!
The only issue I could concede at all is a person's right to just say whatever they want...but he was doing it at the expense of other people. Not applicable.
At the expense of others? You see, this i don't comprehend, did he fucking stabbed somebody! He fucking expressed himself, you can like or dislike his persona but he did nothing to the people around.
And yea, there is a political oppression.
TurdBerglar
09-28-2007, 02:22 PM
there's shithead oppression not political oppression
Weak mind do that, instead of debating the issue, personal attack, nice!
You're right, I'm sorry. I just got frustrated when it seems like you utterly ignore every point we make.
fucktopgirl
09-28-2007, 02:24 PM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_repression
'' Political repression is the oppression or persecution of an individual or group for political reasons, particularly for the purpose of restricting or preventing their ability to take part in the political life of society. Political repression may be represented by discriminatory policies, surveillance abuse, police brutality, imprisonment, involuntary settlement, stripping of citizen's rights, and violent action such as the murder, summary executions, torture, forced disappearance and other extrajudicial punishment of political activists, dissidents, or general population.''
TurdBerglar
09-28-2007, 02:25 PM
IT WASN'T FOR POLITICAL REASONS
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_repression
'' Political repression is the oppression or persecution of an individual or group for political reasons, particularly for the purpose of restricting or preventing their ability to take part in the political life of society. Political repression may be represented by discriminatory policies, surveillance abuse, police brutality, imprisonment, involuntary settlement, stripping of citizen's rights, and violent action such as the murder, summary executions, torture, forced disappearance and other extrajudicial punishment of political activists, dissidents, or general population.''
well i'm convinced. convinced that there is such a thing as political repression
fucktopgirl
09-28-2007, 02:27 PM
How sure are you about that?
Maybe it is!
He was taking part into a political debate in the society, his question were not the ones that the usual sheep people would ask.
TurdBerglar
09-28-2007, 02:28 PM
those things he was asking(ranting) about aren't even that big of a deal! they are barely controversial!
How sure are you about that?
Maybe it is!
He was taking part into a political debate in the society, his question were not the ones that the usual sheep people would ask.
it takes an entirely different breed of sheep person to ask about skull and bones
TurdBerglar
09-28-2007, 02:31 PM
sheep people? terrible cloning accident? kinda like the fly?
Knuckles
09-28-2007, 02:33 PM
Yeah, the kind with tinfoil wrapped around their wooly heads.
TurdBerglar
09-28-2007, 02:34 PM
the static electricity must be awful :(
fucktopgirl
09-28-2007, 02:43 PM
But do you guys believe in the Skull and Bones brotherhood or you think it is a CONSPIRACY, like they( as the government) say? Which one is the conspiracy at this point. There is plenty of evidence on the net and throughout history and book that support this brotherhood but none of them ever tell about it. If it is just a men club what is the big deal to talk about it.
So if you you tend to think that it might be possible then, yes it is a big deal to mention the skulls and bones in a political debate. Kerry and Bush are not suppose to be on the same team. If they are, well it change a bit the outlook of this suppose democracy. It show that this facade of democracy and election is a big freaking lie, that people voting every 4 years(here in Canada) does not change the direction of the society really. This leader or this one will not change a thing for the mass population, in general. It is only a game that the top are playing for their own gain while they are making money on the back of the working class. The mass population are misdirect and led to believe that they are actually making a difference when casting a vote. Well the point that Meyer was making, is that why, if it was obvious that he had won, Kerry did not court appeal or fight for his deserve place.
So the questions that he was question was , in fact , fairly controversial.
fucktopgirl
09-28-2007, 02:47 PM
Yeah, the kind with tinfoil wrapped around their wooly heads.
hahaha tinfoil is mainly use when someone don't have an intelligent opinion on an issue.
You come into the discussion and what are you saying to participate'' well she is a tinfoil hat''
Right....
Knuckles
09-28-2007, 02:53 PM
well she is a tinfoil hat''
Right....
looks like we agree on something(y)
fucktopgirl
09-28-2007, 02:54 PM
hahaha fuck off
So you have an opinion on the event?
Knuckles
09-28-2007, 02:59 PM
I pretty much agree with what Bob has said.
Police were a bit aggressive, kid was a complete twat, end of story.
fucktopgirl
09-28-2007, 03:02 PM
I agree with that too but i do think there is a political dimension here at stake.
Skull and Bones, as far as I can tell, is just a very exclusive club for the wealthy. They help each other out business-wise in ways that give them an unfair advantage. Possibly unethical, but doubtfully malicious or conspiratory.
The fact that it is a "secret society" is what draws attention to it more than anything else. There would be people who were angry about them helping fellow Bonesmen to get positions of power/income that weren't based strictly on earning or deserving. They've taken an oath of silence on that, and when people ask they just say they can't talk about it.
Two people in a club can't compete? Members of the GOP compete for nomination. Players on a team compete for captain...just because they're both in a club doesn't mean they can't be at odds with each other.
fucktopgirl
09-28-2007, 03:16 PM
Skull and Bones, as far as I can tell, is just a very exclusive club for the wealthy. They help each other out business-wise in ways that give them an unfair advantage. Possibly unethical, but doubtfully malicious or conspiratory.
unethical
'' not conforming to approved standards of social or professional behavior; "unethical business practices"
Malicious
''intent to commit an unlawful act or cause harm without legal justification or excuse''
Both are relate in this case. They are making big money immorally and at the expense of the poor working class. The war wage are a way to make the economy prosperous , so it is unethical and malicious if you look at the millions of life lost for their own gain. And the conspiracy is that they don't tell the population there real objective : profit accumulation at the expense of human lives, but they are acting like they want the good of the population when, in fact, they don't give a shit. There is, of course exception but those ones are rare.
The fact that it is a "secret society" is what draws attention to it more than anything else. There would be people who were angry about them helping fellow Bonesmen to get positions of power/income that weren't based strictly on earning or deserving. They've taken an oath of silence on that, and when people ask they just say they can't talk about it.
But why ? Because they are doing shit that is not in the interest of the population but in theirs, that mean maybe like 0.5 % of the world population.
Two people in a club can't compete? Members of the GOP compete for nomination. Players on a team compete for captain...just because they're both in a club doesn't mean they can't be at odds with each other.
That true but at that level, i tend to think that they are giving each other favor and know in advance what will happen. They are not dealing with a little bit of money but with HUGE amount of it, so....i think it is , maybe, just a facade their political competition.
They are making big money immorally and at the expense of the poor working class. .. And the conspiracy is that they don't tell the population there real objective : profit accumulation at the expense of human lives, but they are acting like they want the good of the population when, in fact, they don't give a shit.
No, when I said unethical I meant like, hiring your drinking buddy's son fresh out of college as a CEO (or at least putting him on fast track). Now, there might be people who deserved that more, and you're in a sense being unethical by hiring him over other people - but you aren't hiring him specifically to hurt other employees, thus making it non-malicious.
That true but at that level, i tend to think that they are giving each other favor and know in advance what will happen. They are not dealing with a little bit of money but with HUGE amount of it, so....i think it is , maybe, just a facade their political competition.
Even if this were true - Kerry was not declining to answer that question. He was totally willing to discuss it with the student - but - as mentioned before - the student wouldn't take a breath and allow Kerry to talk because that was not his goal.
Kerry appealing the voting results would be action against Bush, and action against a supposed conspiracy through the Bonesmen. He was completely willing to discuss why he didn't appeal the election.
yeahwho
09-28-2007, 04:24 PM
That guy was a republican plant sent in to make Kerry look like a fool.
fucktopgirl
09-28-2007, 04:48 PM
No, when I said unethical I meant like, hiring your drinking buddy's son fresh out of college as a CEO (or at least putting him on fast track). Now, there might be people who deserved that more, and you're in a sense being unethical by hiring him over other people - but you aren't hiring him specifically to hurt other employees, thus making it non-malicious.
WEll, the concept of unethical can be interpret in many way, i apply the definition to the leaders of our countries, and it fit perfectly. At the high sphere of politic0-economic decisions, fishy things are happening and they are really immoral.
Even if this were true - Kerry was not declining to answer that question. He was totally willing to discuss it with the student - but - as mentioned before - the student wouldn't take a breath and allow Kerry to talk because that was not his goal.
Kerry appealing the voting results would be action against Bush, and action against a supposed conspiracy through the Bonesmen. He was completely willing to discuss why he didn't appeal the election.
This is something that we will never know, right?
You can go on and on about how he would have reply, the matter of the fact is that he didn't and we will never know if he would have done it.
Bob is saying that, when Meyer talk about the black voters, the police that came said to him to finished his question, but i did not hear that, what i understand of the situation is that they are telling him to come with them and then he said he will finished his question. So they were not letting him finished , therefore, Kerry did not have the choice to reply.
I still stand my ground that this was more then just police restraining a disturbing student, because of the content of the questioning, this did happen. There is a political content and it tend to be a sort of political repression. This is my theory and nobody need to accept it but i am quite sure that i am not alone with that train of toughs.
And for your theory Yeahwho, well i don't know about this. All i can be sure of is the restraining of an individual that ask question that were politically dangerous or taboo.
you know, i keep watching this video, and the more details i notice, the less it plays out at all like a "shut up, stop asking those questions" scenario.
students get 1 minute to ask a question. after about 20 seconds of speaking or so you can hear a voice in the background saying something like "please ask your question". he ignores it and continues to talk. when he gets to the point about black voters, the woman enters the frame and says something you can't quite hear, but presumably it's "please ask your question" because meyer flips out and says "i'll ask my question, thank you very much -- i'll ask my question -- i'm gonna preface it he's been talking for 2 hours i think i can have 2 minutes -- thank you thank you very much -- i'm gonna ask him my question, i'm gonna inform them and then i'm gonna ask my question". throughout the whole thing you can hear her say "ask the question"
he goes on for another 20 seconds before he asks "how can you concede the election on the day?" we're at the one minute mark here, but instead of pausing for an answer he goes on.
presumably somebody behind him says "you're time's up" or something, because he says "i'm not even done yet, i have 2 more questions". he goes on for another 20 minutes asking about blowjobs and skull and bones (again, not pausing for an answer) before they cut his mic.
he whines, and at this point a cop lays a hand on him and he flips out and says "EXCUSE ME ARE YOU ARRESTING ME?" but you don't see any handcuffs or anything. there's just a cop on each side of him, walking him to the door, one of them is saying "stop, stop" as he shouts and jerks around. then he kind of flails his elbows around in an attempt to get free of their grip, he starts aggressively resisting whatever it is that they're doing (again, not clear that they were actually arresting him, they were just walking him to the door). at this point 2 or 3 more cops get involved and they keep moving him towards the door. he keeps resisting the whole time, shouting at the top of his lungs, trying to get the audience to help him, jumping up and down against the cop who's pushing him.
then there's conveniently a scene missing, and he's on the ground and the cops get irresponsible.
Bob is saying that, when Meyer talk about the black voters, the police that came said to him to finished his question, but i did not hear that, what i understand of the situation is that they are telling him to come with them and then he said he will finished his question. So they were not letting him finished , therefore, Kerry did not have the choice to reply.
i can objectively say that you're wrong. watch it again and listen carefully. turn your volume up. you can hear her say "ask your question, ask your question". you can also hear another, off-camera person saying "please ask your question" about 5 seconds before that.
edit: i'm referring to this video, the first one in your first post
http://blog.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=blog.view&friendID=45898750&blogID=311265590
then there's conveniently a scene missing, and he's on the ground and the cops get irresponsible.
you can see the missing scene here, about a minute in
http://youtube.com/watch?v=6bVa6jn4rpE
at the top of the aisle, he breaks free of the cop's grip and sort of tries to bum rush them to get away. the cops get fed up and tackle him to the ground and put him in cuffs.
here's another angle. the video's ugly, but from this angle you can see that the cops were standing behind him before he even started speaking. either it's standard procedure for them to be standing behind everyone who asks questions, or he'd done something to attract their attention before he even started speaking. you can see them whispering to each other, i guess that's concrete proof that there's some kind of conspiracy :rolleyes:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=TIYTJ75U4NU&mode=related&search=
also, not only are the cops saying "ask the question", from this angle you can hear kerry say "what's your question?"
nobody who was there believes that this kid was asking questions
fucktopgirl
09-28-2007, 05:14 PM
yes, i do hear her say, ask your question.
TurdBerglar
09-28-2007, 05:18 PM
RANTING AND RAVING!
ask your question, dude. AND MOVE ON!
fucktopgirl
09-28-2007, 05:20 PM
So it is abuse of force with a twat questioning on issue that disturb the government.
i just wish to hell one of these videos caught what happened in the minute or so before he started talking so we could settle this "he cut in line" debate.
i say he did because the cops seemed to be on edge before he even started speaking and because about half the news stories and blogs that have reported on this event say he did. you say that the mainstream media is in on the conspiracy. short of photographic proof that he did in fact cut in line, i see no way to reconcile these positions
So it is abuse of force with a twat questioning on issue that disturb the government.
no, it's an abuse of force on a twat who jumped the line, broke the rules, verbally abused the police and john kerry and got physically abusive to the police when they tried to escort him from the room. there's no proof at all that politics had anything to do with this. you type it till your fingers bleed but you don't have a leg to stand on
TurdBerglar
09-28-2007, 05:25 PM
there was no abuse of power until the taser
but he deseeeeeeeerved it
there was no abuse of force until the taser
i'm beginning to agree with you the more i watch video. originally i was of the opinion that wrestling him to the ground was excessive but he didn't really leave them a choice, they almost had him to the door when he wrenched himself free and tried to run back in the direction of the stage. so they tackled him and put him under arrest. he was all but throwing punches at them the whole time, i'm almost surprised they didn't tackle him sooner.
there was really no need at all for the taser though. they had him on the ground, they had him in cuffs, and yeah he was still shouting and wriggling every free limb that he had, but come on, the taser isn't going to accomplish anything. i wish to crap they hadn't done that.
fucktopgirl
09-28-2007, 05:30 PM
no, it's an abuse of force on a twat who jumped the line, broke the rules, verbally abused the police and john kerry and got physically abusive to the police when they tried to escort him from the room. there's no proof at all that politics had anything to do with this. you type it till your fingers bleed but you don't have a leg to stand on
I have to admit that i constructed half of my theory with the sense that they were rushing him out so...Nonetheless, no answer were giving. Kerry could have say''let me answer his question'' But no. AS for abusing kerry and the police verbally, bah...
But yeah....
TurdBerglar
09-28-2007, 05:32 PM
bob
if given the chance to tase that shithead, would you?
fucktopgirl
09-28-2007, 05:36 PM
which shithead?
TurdBerglar
09-28-2007, 05:38 PM
he wasn't just being abusive towards authority/polotical figures. he was being disrespectful to the rest of the PEOPLE(YES THE PEOPLE! CITIZENS!) in the room that had been acting civil and following the rules. the rules were put in place so everyone could have a fair chance with talking to kerry.
TurdBerglar
09-28-2007, 05:38 PM
which shithead?
i think any shithead deserves to be tased
I have to admit that i constructed half of my theory with the sense that they were rushing him out so...Nonetheless, no answer were giving. Kerry could have say''let me answer his question'' But no. AS for abusing kerry and the police verbally, bah...
But yeah....
but nothing. i'm not letting you off that easy.
kerry DID say "let me answer his question" but at that point meyer was fighting the cops. and before that, you can hear kerry repeatedly ask "what's your question?". you can't answer a question if nobody asks one.
what bah? he was abusing them verbally. watch the video, pay attention to it, and try to deny it again. you can't. the cop asks him to ask his question, and he starts yelling at them. and in the video i posted a few posts up you can hear kerry say "what's your question?" and you can hear meyer rudely say "i'm going to ask you my question -- i'm going to inform them and then i'm going to ask you my question"; in other words "fuck you kerry, i'm talking now"
nuts, you could argue that he was verbally abusing him from the moment he got up to speak. how hard would it have been to just get up and say "why did you concede the election when there was evidence of disenfranchisement and blah blah blah" or "is it true that you were in skull and bones?". instead of doing that, he chose to be condescending. "earlier you recommended us a book. well i have a book for you, smart guy! no, i'm going to ask my question when i'm ready".
and once again, the time limit for questions was 1 minute; he went for about 1:20 before they cut his mic (right around "clinton got impeached for a blowjob, were you in skull and bones?")
do you really believe that if they hadn't cut off his mic, that if the cops had just stood by and watched, that eventually meyer would have stopped talking, and let kerry fully answer his "questions", without interrupting or anything? after everything you've seen in that video about meyer's behavior, and attitude, do you think that's what would have happened?
bob
if given the chance to tase that shithead, would you?
i probably would have lost it at "don't tase me bro" too, but that's why i'm not a campus cop
TurdBerglar
09-28-2007, 05:45 PM
no i mean like if he were put in blocks at the center square like in medieval times and there was somebody standing guard with a taser on a table allowing everyone who wanted to give him a bit of a tase to do as they wish. would you walk up and give him a bit of a tase?
no i mean like if he were put in blocks at the center square like in medieval times and there was somebody standing guard with a taser on a table allowing everyone who wanted to give him a bit of a tase to do as they wish. would you walk up and give him a bit of a tase?
only if he said "don't tase me bro"
TurdBerglar
09-28-2007, 06:01 PM
what if he had it scribbled onto his forehead? and it was just a nine volt battery you had to press onto his tongue?
yeahwho
09-28-2007, 06:04 PM
I'm only half joking about that taser guy being a republican plant. The way I see it the more attention given to looney's at a democratic gathering the more the republicans can say, "look what a bunch of fuck ups the democrats have in their camp".
By association that video hurts democrats. It also shows a much scarier scenario than I spose many are apt to admit. The US population has a large contention of pissed off and crazy people. The republicans, who are well aware of this (they're the ones who let the crazies out during Reagan's tenure) have done what they consider the only logical thing to do, hand pick and embed the audience and reporters.
That is America today. The land of the orchestrated event. Kerry never stood a chance in this situation. Other than actually coming down off the stage and risked being tasered.
A more alarming event - some girl at a school got her arm broken and threatened by the school security. This isn't really indicative of a national atmosphere of oppression - but I think this merits a lot more concern than the Kerry thing.
http://infowars.net/articles/september2007/280907Cake.htm
cosmo105
09-28-2007, 08:37 PM
^jesus, that's fucking ridiculous and disgusting. THIS is something that should definitely get more attention, and be more of a source of outrage than that other bs.
bob rules btw
TurdBerglar
09-28-2007, 08:57 PM
http://www.beastieboys.com/bbs/showthread.php?t=83147
^jesus, that's fucking ridiculous and disgusting. THIS is something that should definitely get more attention, and be more of a source of outrage than that other bs.
bob rules btw
Thank you.
bob rules btw
yeah....it was alright
also:
A more alarming event - some girl at a school got her arm broken and threatened by the school security. This isn't really indicative of a national atmosphere of oppression - but I think this merits a lot more concern than the Kerry thing.
http://infowars.net/articles/september2007/280907Cake.htm
fuck! School Guards Break Child's Arm And Arrest Her For Dropping Cake
they say there's two sides to every story but...i don't think i want to hear the other one
also:
fuck! School Guards Break Child's Arm And Arrest Her For Dropping Cake
they say there's two sides to every story but...i don't think i want to hear the other one
Seriously! I think this is a much more clear cut case of abuse of power, and political or not - this is one that deserves outrage. The other story has been discussed to death, and I think is stupid, but this is for real bullcrap.
Seriously! I think this is a much more clear cut case of abuse of power, and political or not - this is one that deserves outrage. The other story has been discussed to death, and I think is stupid, but this is for real bullcrap.
if imus still had a show, he'd talk about it
of course nobody would take him seriously
ok, bad time for jokes, but i had to
fucktopgirl
09-29-2007, 06:31 AM
but nothing. i'm not letting you off that easy.
kerry DID say "let me answer his question" but at that point meyer was fighting the cops. and before that, you can hear kerry repeatedly ask "what's your question?". you can't answer a question if nobody asks one.
He ask his multiples questions but Kerry never been forward to finally answer the questions, even at the end.It was more a sort of affirmative attack, confrontation, that is for sure .
what bah? he was abusing them verbally. watch the video, pay attention to it, and try to deny it again. you can't. the cop asks him to ask his question, and he starts yelling at them. and in the video i posted a few posts up you can hear kerry say "what's your question?" and you can hear meyer rudely say "i'm going to ask you my question -- i'm going to inform them and then i'm going to ask you my question"; in other words "fuck you kerry, i'm talking now"
He was arrogant but verbally abuse ...for me is like when somebody say things like'' fuck you moron'' , in that same vein. His tone was agitated , that true,
nuts, you could argue that he was verbally abusing him from the moment he got up to speak. how hard would it have been to just get up and say "why did you concede the election when there was evidence of disenfranchisement and blah blah blah" or "is it true that you were in skull and bones?". instead of doing that, he chose to be condescending. "earlier you recommended us a book. well i have a book for you, smart guy! no, i'm going to ask my question when i'm ready".
I agree, since the beginning i said that the guy should have been more calm and intelligent.
do you really believe that if they hadn't cut off his mic, that if the cops had just stood by and watched, that eventually meyer would have stopped talking, and let kerry fully answer his "questions", without interrupting or anything? after everything you've seen in that video about meyer's behavior, and attitude, do you think that's what would have happened?
WEll, yes, the guy would have stop at one point. It seem that at the skull and bones mention, he was done. But then again, the mic was cut and then the zoo start.
We will never know the answer and Kerry must be happy about that and that guy, well, he will not have a political career, that for sure.
Nobody cannot argue the fact that the questions that Meyer bring to the table are issues that have never been answer or elucidate.
AS for the cake event,WTF? This is freaking insane and so absurd that it seem to be a hoax. If it is true, dammit. The mom got also arrest, the kid is suspended the way in understand , the mom got kick out of her work place and because of what? A fucking gorilla break twisted the arm of a girl. MAn, i cannot follow what happening in your country. Do they give some sort of food that make people acting mad?
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