Method Man disses Beastie Boys

[Lex Diamonds]

Dunno if y'all have heard this before but it's off the song Cereal Killa from Blackout!:

Tongue below one, spit dumb, moron
For white boys to snowboard on
So whatchu, whatchu, whatchu want?
Chew spearmint gum, two double pump


The boys never responded as far as I know. I wonder why? Maybe cuz they don't think they can take on the Wu?

[milkboy009]

Although this looks like a diss, I think its more of a coincidence that he mentions snowboarding, and the little "So Whatcha Want" line. I've seen more than one interview of Meth proclaiming his love for the Bboys, and if I recall correctly he was dancin to the Boys when they performed at last years Hip Hop Honors. Besides, why would anyone have beef with the beasties these days?

[Kid Presentable]

Dunno if y'all have heard this before but it's off the song Cereal Killa from Blackout!:

Tongue below one, spit dumb, moron
For white boys to snowboard on
So whatchu, whatchu, whatchu want?
Chew spearmint gum, two double pump


The boys never responded as far as I know. I wonder why? Maybe cuz they don't think they can take on the Wu?

They used "So Watcha Watcha Want" as the hook on 'The ?' on that album. Pretty much a straight-up homage. Meth's good buddy Red covered New Style, and appeared on that Body Movin remix (which I'm sure you're aware of anyway). And it was Redman who said that on Cereal Killer, so how would it be a diss when he's pretty much shown love in as many ways as possible?

Are you just shit-stirring?

[Lex Diamonds]

Are you just shit-stirring?
I was, til you ruined it, dickwad.

[roosta]

I saw Meth give a glowing tribute to the Boys on one of those history of Hip-Hop things that MTV churns out every few years, he was very complimentary.

[Lex Diamonds]

No! Shut up! Arrrrgh I'm melting, MELTIIIIIIIIIIIIIIING

[Lyman Zerga]

yeah method was definitely 2 pacing the beasties so lets go to the wu tang board and start a hip hop nerd whore!

[faz]

yeah method was definitely 2 pacing the beasties so lets go to the wu tang board and start a hip hop nerd whore!

Typo?

Got other things on your mind?

[Lyman Zerga]

Typo?

Got other things on your mind?

no and no, im just unbelievable funny and spontaneous

[pshabi]

Dunno if y'all have heard this before but it's off the song Cereal Killa from Blackout!:

Tongue below one, spit dumb, moron
For white boys to snowboard on
So whatchu, whatchu, whatchu want?
Chew spearmint gum, two double pump




That makes absolutely no fucking sense to me. What the fuck is he saying? :confused:

[ham and cheese]

just what i was going to say - he should win an award for this

[Lex Diamonds]

He's saying

"You're not very good at rapping, and you're an idiot.
You make watered down rap music for white people who like to snowboard. So whatcha want?
It annoys me how you chew spearmint gum, I'm going to shoot you twice with a shotgun."

[YoungRemy]

wow... the Padster is so hardcore he makes Ali G quiver in his Hilfigers

[KENNY GUIDO]

They used "So Watcha Watcha Want" as the hook on 'The ?' on that album. Pretty much a straight-up homage. Meth's good buddy Red covered New Style, and appeared on that Body Movin remix (which I'm sure you're aware of anyway). And it was Redman who said that on Cereal Killer, so how would it be a diss when he's pretty much shown love in as many ways as possible?

Are you just shit-stirring?

just because a group uses another groups hook doesnt mean theyre complimenting them. it simply means they couldnt think of anything else original and borrow someone elses material.

look at 3rd bass's "step into the am". that sampled mca's "whats the time" line and 3rd bass hated the beastie boys. they certainly werent paying homage to them on that album.

[Auton]

yeah but redman referencing or sampling beastie boys songs on just about all of his releases certainly is an homage

[Weezman]

yeah but redman referencing or sampling beastie boys songs on just about all of his releases certainly is an homage

true dat... :cool:

[Kid Presentable]

just because a group uses another groups hook doesnt mean theyre complimenting them. it simply means they couldnt think of anything else original and borrow someone elses material.

look at 3rd bass's "step into the am". that sampled mca's "whats the time" line and 3rd bass hated the beastie boys. they certainly werent paying homage to them on that album.

Oh for fuck's sake.....Listen to the song, and re-read my post. Then Auton's post, then mine again.

[Weezman]

even thou, Eazy E spits, "I dont drink Brass Monkey", ...
Dr. Dre used many samples from the Beastie's....not only in NWA, but with the D.O.C....

i know there is a homage there..... so there....homage does has it's mind-fuckrs.

[KENNY GUIDO]

yeah but redman referencing or sampling beastie boys songs on just about all of his releases certainly is an homage

are you kidding?

[KENNY GUIDO]

Oh for fuck's sake.....Listen to the song, and re-read my post. Then Auton's post, then mine again.
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I dont have to re-read anything. just because an artist samples or "steals" lyrics doesnt mean they are paying homage. thats the most thoughtless reason I have ever heard.

do you think the beasties were paying homage to every artist they sampled or referenced on LTI or PB?

No, they werent.

I can name a million songs that sampled other songs or used lyrics where the artist has no friggin clue about the origin of a song that they are taking the material from.

[djdjdj]

Method Man is a bad ass mc.

[Kid Presentable]

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I dont have to re-read anything. just because an artist samples or "steals" lyrics doesnt mean they are paying homage. thats the most thoughtless reason I have ever heard.

do you think the beasties were paying homage to every artist they sampled or referenced on LTI or PB?

No, they werent.

I can name a million songs that sampled other songs or used lyrics where the artist has no friggin clue about the origin of a song that they are taking the material from.

He covered two beastie songs among other things. Him and Erick Sermon are both confirmed Beastie fans. It's pretty common knowledge. I'm not applying that logic to all artists. That would be thoughtless reasoning.

[KENNY GUIDO]

He covered two beastie songs among other things. Him and Erick Sermon are both confirmed Beastie fans. It's pretty common knowledge. I'm not applying that logic to all artists. That would be thoughtless reasoning.


ok, maybe I should have re-read your post! ;)


but you do understand where Im coming from?

[Auton]

i know where you're coming from, i was just talking about redman in particular

[Kid Presentable]

ok, maybe I should have re-read your post! ;)


but you do understand where Im coming from?

Yeah man, fully.(y)

[alikat]

He's saying

", I'm going to shoot you twice with a shotgun."

See, I thought "double pump" had to be a reference to their preferred starbucks order. like watch it boys, everywhere you go to get caffienated we got one of us on the barissimo marking your cup and shit. we know your drink order. anyone who ever worked the bucks will know, that shit is real. those are fighting words for sure.

[TimDoolan]

I just had starbucks a couple hours ago.
Blackout is excellent, by the way.

[Weezman]

Sample, diss, homage, its all good. One way or another it's all influencial.

Here's a treat....showing luv to all music lovers....:D

This one will always remind me of Kid Presentable....it was his avatar when i 1st came on the board.
This is one heavy drum loop. John Bonham did hit harder. Beastie Boys have used this on their first album...


http://banach.lse.ac.uk/DRUMS/drums.html

[KENNY GUIDO]

the music company is weird. you can cover a song but dont have to pay royalties until it hits a certain number of sales. you can also cover songs live and not have to pay royalties BUT if you plan on recording the event, then you have to pay. its a weird world!

[Auton]

^that's because the venue pays the licensing fee for the cover songs as part of their deal with publishing companies (like ASCAP and BMI) to have live bands perform. This is also why if you sign up with one of those companies as an artist, you have to cite an example of a venue you played at- it's a business thing that all ties together. so, when covers are performed live, somebody is still footing the bill, but it's all part of a "bundle" (to put it in a dumb way) you pay for to be able to have live acts.

the recording of these musical performances is NOT covered by this, and involves a completely separate legal process. Because it is now being recorded, it is subject to all the other licensing rules that studio recording has. You can't cover a song on an recording without paying royalties, and a live recording is no different.

[Bobtwi]

I saw Meth kiss M.C.A.

[canucklehead200]

Dunno if y'all have heard this before but it's off the song Cereal Killa from Blackout!:

Tongue below one, spit dumb, moron
For white boys to snowboard on
So whatchu, whatchu, whatchu want?
Chew spearmint gum, two double pump


The boys never responded as far as I know. I wonder why? Maybe cuz they don't think they can take on the Wu?


first of all that entire lyric didn't make any sense whasoever, don't try to tell me it did, therefore how could it be attributed as being a diss

[KENNY GUIDO]

^that's because the venue pays the licensing fee for the cover songs as part of their deal with publishing companies (like ASCAP and BMI) to have live bands perform. This is also why if you sign up with one of those companies as an artist, you have to cite an example of a venue you played at- it's a business thing that all ties together. so, when covers are performed live, somebody is still footing the bill, but it's all part of a "bundle" (to put it in a dumb way) you pay for to be able to have live acts.

the recording of these musical performances is NOT covered by this, and involves a completely separate legal process. Because it is now being recorded, it is subject to all the other licensing rules that studio recording has. You can't cover a song on an recording without paying royalties, and a live recording is no different.

Ive been to shows where the artist would just do a cover without prior notice. I dont think those venues are subject to paying royalties. What Im also told is that you can cover a song and you dont have to pay until it reaches a certain amount of sales (I believe 80,000 was the amount)

[Auton]

Ive been to shows where the artist would just do a cover without prior notice

yes. again, what i was saying, is that you can cover songs ALL you want live, because the licensing fee is included in what the venue has to pay to be licensed to have live acts performed. trust me. this is how it's done.

[eargogglez]

I just got my tickets to see meth in calgary next month! I saw meth bobbing his head when the Beasties were playing the hip hop honours so I'm pretty sure he wasn't dissing them. He's quoting so what'cha want just like how a lot of rappers quote other famous lyrics in their songs. Get it?

[mathcart]

THIS THREAD MUST BE STOPPED!

[JohnnyChavello]

the music company is weird. you can cover a song but dont have to pay royalties until it hits a certain number of sales. you can also cover songs live and not have to pay royalties BUT if you plan on recording the event, then you have to pay. its a weird world!

Kenny, you've written this before, but it's still not true. Section 115 of the Copyright Act sets up a compulsory license scheme for the use of artists' musical compositons. What that means is that any artist can cover any other artist's song without having to get permission, the only catch is that they have to pay a set statutory rate for "every phonorecord made and distributed".

Second, Section 106 of the Copyright Act gives authors of musical compositions the exclusive right to publicly perform their music. This right is separate from the right, also under Section 106, to reproduce the music, which would be infringed if you record the event. In most cases, the owners of live venues pay ASCAP, SESAC, or BMI a set rate that allows them to play the music live and have musicians perform covers, but you're always supposed to pay

[Weezman]

I really dig C.R.E.A.M., its on of my ring tones...(y)

[KENNY GUIDO]

Kenny, you've written this before, but it's still not true. Section 115 of the Copyright Act sets up a compulsory license scheme for the use of artists' musical compositons. What that means is that any artist can cover any other artist's song without having to get permission, the only catch is that they have to pay a set statutory rate for "every phonorecord made and distributed".

Second, Section 106 of the Copyright Act gives authors of musical compositions the exclusive right to publicly perform their music. This right is separate from the right, also under Section 106, to reproduce the music, which would be infringed if you record the event. In most cases, the owners of live venues pay ASCAP, SESAC, or BMI a set rate that allows them to play the music live and have musicians perform covers, but you're always supposed to pay

yes, any artist can cover any song but they dont have to pay royalties UNTIL the # of sales reaches a certain amount. but proper credits must be stated.

as for venues paying up for songs being covered, I dont know how that goes because lets face it, how many bars and clubs pony up money after having some garage band come in and cover 12 songs? also, the big clubs never send anything out to ASCAP, SESAC, or BMI. once the money is in, it gets distributed immediately to everyone there. Im not claiming to know it all, I thank you for giving me more insight. Im just telling you what Ive been going through so far. I can give Sal a call and ask him more.

I will pass this along to Sal. He will be delighted to hear this where the clubs are to pay him royalties. he can put the FEVER/SABATOGE at rest!

[JohnnyChavello]

...they dont have to pay royalties UNTIL the # of sales reaches a certain amount. but proper credits must be stated.

as for venues paying up for songs being covered, I dont know how that goes because lets face it, how many bars and clubs pony up money after having some garage band come in and cover 12 songs? also, the big clubs never send anything out to ASCAP, SESAC, or BMI. once the money is in, it gets distributed immediately to everyone there. Im not claiming to know it all, I thank you for giving me more insight. Im just telling you what Ive been going through so far. I can give Sal a call and ask him more.

I will pass this along to Sal. He will be delighted to hear this where the clubs are to pay him royalties. he can put the FEVER/SABATOGE at rest!

Trust me, someone's giving you bad advice. Royalties on recorded covers are due to "every phonorecord made and distributed." That's a quote from the statute. There is not a threshhold of required sales.

As for venues paying the performing rights societies, most venues pay those fees anyway because you've got to pay them even if you're just playing someone else's music by way of radio, CD or whatever because it constitutes a public performance of the work. ASCAP actually has a team of undercovers that go around to small bars, restaurants, etc. to check. The fee is a standard yearly (I believe) rate that allows the venue to play music in the catalog of the particular performing rights society, so if a band is performing covers, the fee has already been paid by the venue. They don't pay fees every time a band comes in and covers a song, they pay the fees up front so they can play the music, and this fee covers the cover bands.

[Lex Diamonds]

Well this thread turned out more exciting and explosive than I could ever have hoped.

And whoever it was that insulted me: you're a cunt.

[KENNY GUIDO]

Trust me, someone's giving you bad advice. Royalties on recorded covers are due to "every phonorecord made and distributed." That's a quote from the statute. There is not a threshhold of required sales.

As for venues paying the performing rights societies, most venues pay those fees anyway because you've got to pay them even if you're just playing someone else's music by way of radio, CD or whatever because it constitutes a public performance of the work. ASCAP actually has a team of undercovers that go around to small bars, restaurants, etc. to check. The fee is a standard yearly (I believe) rate that allows the venue to play music in the catalog of the particular performing rights society, so if a band is performing covers, the fee has already been paid by the venue. They don't pay fees every time a band comes in and covers a song, they pay the fees up front so they can play the music, and this fee covers the cover bands.

thanks, I didnt know all that. Apparantly, I was fed bad info. Currently, we are having a problem at Fever Records with an ex artist whom quit a group on the label. She was replaced many years ago after her pursuit of a solo career which went no where. she soon came back to Fever and Sal told her she couldnt rejoin the group because there was already a new lead. But he did sign her up to another part of Fever, a spanish branch (Fever'Ole). She was met another manager and he demanded Sal release her from her contract. Sal obliged and still allowed her to go on with her living by performing the hits FEVER owned.

That didnt work for long because Fever soon received threats from her manager and also called up venues in which the new COVERGIRLS were booked. This has been happening for years. Knowing that you have some insight on the industry, what can Fever do to stop this? I hate to make this a public discussion but this seems like the right time. thanks!

[djdjdj]

This thread is spiraling out of control. When you someone mentions the cover girls thats when its time to change the subject. What would really happen if method man dissed the beastie boys? Does it really matter?

[KENNY GUIDO]

This thread is spiraling out of control. When you someone mentions the cover girls thats when its time to change the subject. What would really happen if method man dissed the beastie boys? Does it really matter?


um....the covergirls and the beastie boys were on capital records together. :)

[YoungRemy]

too much expertise to go around! my mind is spinning out of control with the amount of knowledge in this thread!

[JohnnyChavello]

thanks, I didnt know all that. Apparantly, I was fed bad info. Currently, we are having a problem at Fever Records with an ex artist whom quit a group on the label. She was replaced many years ago after her pursuit of a solo career which went no where. she soon came back to Fever and Sal told her she couldnt rejoin the group because there was already a new lead. But he did sign her up to another part of Fever, a spanish branch (Fever'Ole). She was met another manager and he demanded Sal release her from her contract. Sal obliged and still allowed her to go on with her living by performing the hits FEVER owned.

That didnt work for long because Fever soon received threats from her manager and also called up venues in which the new COVERGIRLS were booked. This has been happening for years. Knowing that you have some insight on the industry, what can Fever do to stop this? I hate to make this a public discussion but this seems like the right time. thanks!

It all depends on who owns the copyrights in the songs. Initially, copyright vests in the author of the work, which in this case would be whoever conceived of and wrote the songs. If more than one person is responsible, it might be considered a joint work, with each contributing author having rights in the copyright.

But usually, artists sign over their copyrights to a publishing company and make their money on a share of royalties. In those situations, the publishing company has the right to authorize performances of the songs, not the authors. On the other hand, if there is no contract setting out who owns the copyright in these songs, then the copyright is owned jointly by everyone who contributed to creating the song in a meaningful, artistic way.

So, for example, if this woman wrote the song on her own, without significant contributions from others, and never assigned the copyright to a third party, then she owns the copyright and has the right to control public performances of the song. If she assigned the copyright to a third party, she has no right to control public performances, and if she created the song with the contributions of others, then all of them are able to authorize public performances. In short, if the Fever owns the copyrights, they can perform, record, do whatever they want to with the songs whether she wrote them or not.

[KENNY GUIDO]

the songs are owned Fever Records. The songs were written by Tony Moran and Andy Panda of the Latin Rascals (the same guys that worked on Rock Hard/Party's Gettin' Rough/Beastie Groove 12".)

The x singer's husband/manager is constantly sabotaging the COVERGIRLS shows whenever and whereever they go by calling the arenas and telling them that "something bad will happen if they perform". to me, it sounds boarderline to a terroristic threat.

We want to know what can ultimatly done to shut them up once and for all. Is there some type of "cease and desist" order that can be used?

[fonky pizza]

Sample, diss, homage, its all good. One way or another it's all influencial.

http://banach.lse.ac.uk/DRUMS/drums.html

right on! I see it this way too!

thanks for that link, very cool (y)

[JohnnyChavello]

the songs are owned Fever Records. The songs were written by Tony Moran and Andy Panda of the Latin Rascals (the same guys that worked on Rock Hard/Party's Gettin' Rough/Beastie Groove 12".)

The x singer's husband/manager is constantly sabotaging the COVERGIRLS shows whenever and whereever they go by calling the arenas and telling them that "something bad will happen if they perform". to me, it sounds boarderline to a terroristic threat.

We want to know what can ultimatly done to shut them up once and for all. Is there some type of "cease and desist" order that can be used?

Most states have a cause of action for intentional interference with contractual relations, but I think New York recognizes a cause of action for inducing a breach of contract. If the manager is aware that there is an agreement to perform and he induces or persuades or acts in a way intended to cause the other party to breach that agreement, then he will be liable for all damages caused by his conduct.

New York also recognizes a catchall tort called a prima facie tort, which cover malicious, intentional infictions of economic harm without justification. I don't know as much about this theory of recovery, but it sounds like a possibility.

If they're serious, they should talk to a lawyer and have him send the guy a letter explaining that his actions are punishable by the civil laws of the state of New York and that if he continues, they'll pursue any and all appropriate remedies under the law.

[KENNY GUIDO]

Thanks. I will pass this info along to Sal. He really doesnt want to do anything to jeapordize her finacially but I urged him to take action because this has been ongoing for years. The most recent what a booking for the group in Trinadad where Angel's manager had called and told them that they had booked a fake group.

I spoke to her last year and I compared her to David lee Roth when he left VH. She got mad then turned around and told me she had hired Roth attorney! Somehow I seriously doubt she could afford him.:D

[DJ Pioneer]

I'm staying out of this mess, but I just wanted to add this: The Beatnuts sampled the Beasties on the first LP on track 7. In the liner notes, they thanked the Beasties and also Adam Yauch separately for his help!

[Weezman]

right on! I see it this way too!

thanks for that link, very cool (y)

AAhh! Enter the Pizza!! (y)

Perfect way to end this thread....

"I give thanks for inspiration it guides my mind along the way
A lot of people get jealous, they're talking about me
But that's just 'cause they haven't got a thing to say......

Peace my fellow b-boys/girlies!!
the Weez'

[KENNY GUIDO]

Heres a shot of the credits:

http://i179.photobucket.com/albums/w281/chyqo/10-08-07_1528.jpg

[djdjdj]

Dude! I used to listen to the cover girls a little bit like almost 20 years ago now. Funny. There is this station out here where I live its kggi 99.1 san bernardino california. They were playing the cover girls and all the other people that were making that kind of sound back when it was the brand new thing. That was like the golden age of the synthesizer if you ask me.

:)

[KENNY GUIDO]

Dude! I used to listen to the cover girls a little bit like almost 20 years ago now. Funny. There is this station out here where I live its kggi 99.1 san bernardino california. They were playing the cover girls and all the other people that were making that kind of sound back when it was the brand new thing. That was like the golden age of the synthesizer if you ask me.

:)


yea, those were the good old days! They called that the "planet rock beat".

[MC Moot]

I recall him in the balcony at the 3rd Annual VH1 Hip-Hop Honors bumpin along to the Boy's set.....and air scratch'n to MMMikes thang.....

[Kid Presentable]

^^^Method Man is not performing Rumours in full. Although he does drop 'Daddy' and 'Gold Dust Woman' before his ODB tributes.

[Auton]

^haha that actually made me laugh