8 Diagrams thread...

[roosta]

Right....

This is the official thread for the new Wu set...

OK, so i've heard "Heart Gently Weeps" ands its proper vintage Wu...same lineage as Tearz, Could It Be So Simple etc. Ok, so its just the Ghostface mix-tape track re-jigged but its a good song.

So far so good.

[Kid Presentable]

That song is cool. I like that a lot, very old-wu. I liked the first track they had up on wutangcorp, also. Even if the same beat was on Impossible Mission, I liked it there, too.

[Auton]

links? where'd you hear it?

[adam_f]

They didn't clear the sample. (http://www.sohh.com/articles/article.php/12701)

[Auton]

^that's not the sample they pushed the album back for. besides them (mistakenly) refering to it as a sample on their myspace, it was always, prior to this, known that it was not in fact a sample, but george harrison's son on that track.

[Auton]

so according to that link that adamf posted, you can listen to the song on loud.com, though you have to register. just so you know.

[Auton]

it's not a very good song. sounds like it was knocked out in an afternoon. the second half of ghost's verse was good though... otherwise, i'm pretty depressed by what i've heard from 8 diagrams.. the two tracks so far have sounded really lazy.

ps. every method man verse in the last 4 years sounds EXACTLY the same.

[g-mile7]

God damn that songs a waste. It neither deep or exciting. And Raekwon is str8 garbage now. Ghost wouldve been better doing his verse from his first stab at the track.

good god what a let down...I mean the 3 verses dont even match each other let alone the instrumental. Ghost verse wouldve been better over a diffrent beat. The album aint looking like fire we've been waiting for 5 years for

[g-mile7]

Right....

This is the official thread for the new Wu set...

OK, so i've heard "Heart Gently Weeps" ands its proper vintage Wu...same lineage as Tearz, Could It Be So Simple etc. Ok, so its just the Ghostface mix-tape track re-jigged but its a good song.

So far so good.

haha

[Auton]

:(

[Darko]

I liked it.

[roosta]

haha

what?

[roosta]

For the record, I never said "Heart Gently Weeps" is as good as Tears or Can it be so simple..i said it was the same lineage..in that it's the same style of song.

[Auton]

i'm still going to buy this album the day it comes out.. but if these are the two tracks they want people to hear from the album, what they think is the cream* of the crop, it doesn't bode well for the rest of it.


*pun not intended

[adam_f]

Out of curiosity, is Cappadonna an official member yet, or is he still an affiliate like he used to be? The more I listen to him, the more I've started to like him.

[Auton]

i don't think he'll ever be stated as an official member of wu tang clan, but seeing how his name was featured on the front cover of the W, and he had a individual portrait photo like the other members, and wasn't listed as "featuring cappadonna" like he was on Wu Tang Forever, along with the fact that the wu tang clan myspace page has huge links to each indivual's site, including his, i think it would be safe to say that is in fact an official member.

^longest sentence ever.

oh yeah, AND '9 milli bros ft. Wu Tang Clan' had all the members on it... including him. so yeah.

[adam_f]

I guess he was even on the cover of Iron Flag originally (don't start) but they airbrushed him out, but I guess you can still see his leg somewhere in the photo. I just visited their myspace page and I guess he is a member, which makes sense because 8 rappers just aren't enough for an album called 8 Diagrams.

I just listened to Watch Your Mouth from the new album and he does some adlibs at the beginning, so I guess take that for what its worth.

[g-mile7]

i'm still going to buy this album the day it comes out.. but if these are the two tracks they want people to hear from the album, what they think is the cream* of the crop, it doesn't bode well for the rest of it.


*pun not intended

agreed

[g-mile7]

I guess he was even on the cover of Iron Flag originally (don't start) but they airbrushed him out, but I guess you can still see his leg somewhere in the photo. I just visited their myspace page and I guess he is a member, which makes sense because 8 rappers just aren't enough for an album called 8 Diagrams.



Now why U said "dont start" like that will keep him from starting? Just saying.

[Auton]

yeah. that'll just make me want to make fun of you.

[g-mile7]

yeah. that'll just make me want to make fun of you.

hahaha like you wouldn't have anyway you bad person you....






:(

[Otis Driftwood]

i'm still going to buy this album the day it comes out.. but if these are the two tracks they want people to hear from the album, what they think is the cream* of the crop, it doesn't bode well for the rest of it.

True that. Filed under L for lullabye. :(

[RobMoney$]

they should have called it "8 years too late"
Wu-Tang fell off years ago.
It's hilarous how some of you still talk about them like it's 1994 or something.

[Kid Presentable]

Do you guys think Andrea Zuckerman will keep the baby?

[Deep_Sea_Rain]

Out of curiosity, is Cappadonna an official member yet, or is he still an affiliate like he used to be? The more I listen to him, the more I've started to like him.

It'd be a shame if Cap was an "official" member of Wu...I've never liked the guy. His flow, delivery, and lyrical content have always left something to be desired...

[Parkey]

When I spoke to them, RZA said there were no new Clan members since Iron Flag.

[roosta]

Post the interview!

[mickill]

RZA Instrumental Experience (http://underghh.blogspot.com/2007/10/rza-instrumental-experience-2007.html)

[g-mile7]

Post the interview!

Serious or at least link us to it

[mickill]

Take It Back (http://www.zshare.net/audio/439385910ec077/)

[roosta]

RZA is the bigger man and moves the Wu release date... (http://www.prohiphop.com/2007/10/rza-responds-to.html)

[g-mile7]

Take It Back (http://www.zshare.net/audio/439385910ec077/)

Now thats what is expected from Wu. Great track

[Auton]

yeah, that was quite lovely (y)

[Deep_Sea_Rain]

Ill. (y)

[RobMoney$]

I gotta admit it exceeded my expectations

[Deep_Sea_Rain]

On a related note, I've seen some promo shots (Source, if memory serves) of the Wu...and Cappa seems to be in them. Perhaps he's a full fledged member now.

[Kid Presentable]

I don't think they're going to acknowledge it fully, one way or another.

[Tzar]

track is really growing on me. i don't get Rae's....almost lazy approach to rapping now. almost sounds like he doesn't wanna be 'there'. we all know he ain't lazy - probably just a change in his style.

[Lex Diamonds]

A question for everybody: will it be as good as Fischscale? That album has really grown on me to the point it could beat Clipse for best album of 2006.

[Auton]

i don't think so- while not perfect, fishscale didn't have any tracks as weak as "my guitar" or "watch your mouth"

[Deep_Sea_Rain]

Does anyone have a link to the Source article about Wu? I can't find it anywhere online...

[Parkey]

8 Diagrams mixtape - free to download http://www.loud.com/downloads/Wu-TangReturns.zip

1) Intro feat. Method Man
2) Watch Ur Mouf (Wu-Tang Exclusive)
3) State Of Grace (Raekwon Exclusive)
4) Break That Break (Unreleased)
5) Wu Banga 101 Remix (Unreleased)
6) My Corner (Raekwon Exclusive)
7) Stick Me 4 My Riches (Wu-Tang Exclusive)
8) Thug World (Wu-Tang Exclusive)
9) Maxine Remix (Unreleased)
10) King Toast Queen (Unreleased)
11) Strawberries & Cream Remix
12) Weak Spot (Wu-Tang Exclusive)
13) Intoxicated feat Macy Gray (ODB Exclusive)
14) Crooklyn Dodgers (Ghostface Exclusive)
15) The "W" Remix (Unreleased)
16) Real Nillaz
17) Ghost Is Back
18) Don't Go Breaking My Heart ODB feat Macy Gray
19) Violent Skit
20) Life Changes (Wu-Tang Exclusive)
21) Treez (Unreleased)
22) The Abduction
23) John 3:16
24) Good
25) Da Destroyer (Raekwon Freestyle)
26) Iron God Chamber
27) 4:20
28) Wise (Unreleased)
29) Presidential M.C. (Bonus Track - The Heart Gently Weeps)

[Auton]

POST THE DAMN INTERVIEW :(:(:(

[g-mile7]

POST THE DAMN INTERVIEW :(:(:(

Now Im starting to question....I mean it has to be at least on a site or something right?

[mickill]

This (http://www.mixunit.com/ProductImages/cdalbums/CDAL940.jpg) is probably their least aesthetically pleasing album cover ever. Not that it's terrible or anything.

It's better than the cover for The W, anyway.

[roosta]

This (http://www.mixunit.com/ProductImages/cdalbums/CDAL940.jpg) is probably their least aesthetically pleasing album cover ever. Not that it's terrible or anything.

It's better than the cover for The W, anyway.

Looks like a cheap mix-tape cover.

Step away from the Photoshop lads....

[Jiberish]

It'd be a shame if Cap was an "official" member of Wu...I've never liked the guy. His flow, delivery, and lyrical content have always left something to be desired...

I completley disagree with you. Cap's verses on Winter Warz and Daytona 500 off of Iron Man are two of the best wu-verses I've heard flow and delivery wise. Maybe his content could be improved, but at least he seems to "get" that he treads on the same topics.

Milk This Cow
The Best Way We know How
Park Hill Projects Chicka-BLOW!!!

From Milk This Cow off of the Pillage. Tounge in cheek, or dead serious?

[The Notorious LOL]

yes he is dead serious about milking a cow in the park hill projects and then shooting it, you fucking dork.

[Jiberish]

dick...head.

[Deep_Sea_Rain]

My standout tracks are...

Stick Me For My Riches
Starter
The Heart Gently Weeps
Campfire
Life Changes
Get Them Out Ya Way Pa

Wu's best album since Forever...good shit.

[roosta]

ha....i should probably go buy this now

seeing as though I made the thread and all

[Deep_Sea_Rain]

I wonder why Deck's voice is so raspy on 9 Milli Bros. (off Fishscale) and relatively back to normal on this?

[Savage Jimmy]

I think this album is awesome.

The cover that I have is different than that one.... Newbury Comics had the one everyone is seeing on the web... the other one is alot cooler... I'll try to find a picture.

[mickill]

I actually like this album a lot now. I've still only listened to it twice in the last month, but I definitely think it's better than Iron Flag and The W.

[Parkey]

Now Im starting to question....I mean it has to be at least on a site or something right?

Sorry I ain't posted it yet - I thought it would have been on the site by now, but it's not... I'll scan it from the mag instead.

[Parkey]

It's this issue if you happen to see it;

Click (http://www.clashmusic.com/magazine/daft-punk-seasick-steve-sigur-ros-wu-tang-clan)

[Deep_Sea_Rain]

And according to a recent interview with Rebel I, apparently 9 Milli Bros. was recorded when he had a cold....

[checkyourprez]

I wonder why Deck's voice is so raspy on 9 Milli Bros. (off Fishscale) and relatively back to normal on this?

i read in an interview with deck that he said he had a cold. and even a little upset that the final cut of the song was made with his verse with the cold, and didnt wait for him to do a new one.

[BeticoCM]

big doe rehab is a better album imo. btw, what does that guy say in the tribute song for odb at the end?

[Drederick Tatum]

first 3 tracks are slammin. the rest I usually skip through.

[Deep_Sea_Rain]

big doe rehab is a better album imo. btw, what does that guy say in the tribute song for odb at the end?


Yeah, if anyone finds this out post that shit up. I Googled it and found nothing...

And Cappa is growing on me I guess...

[g-mile7]

This album is not better than the W in terms of strong, standout tracks. Rushing Elephants, Starter, etc. the list goes on in terms of meh tracks on 8Diagrams....let alone the W did the whole dark, out there, end of the world type of production and lyrical content much better and there was feel good music ("Protect Your NecK (The Jump Off), "Gravel Pit"). People just shitting on the W just to shit on it (which is expected it did come after Forever which was the pinnacle of the Wu). It had it's weak tracks (ex: "Let My Niggas Live", "Do Ya Thang Thang whatever"), but nothing as horrible as the tracks I listed below....

taken from Ghost Big Doe thread

and yea 8 Diagrams is one huge mess of an album....good god what a let down. From the production (Rushing Elephants sounds like some circus shit), to the lyrics (GZA rapping bout sex is not what I want to hear) to even the way some of the vocals were mixed down (looks at RZA's verse off "Life Changes" as an example) good god. "While the Heart Gentley Weeps" however came out better than I had expected from the Loud.com leak.

But then again the album has been getting a steady amount of support from some critics according to wikipedia.

But fuck where was Ghost on "Life Changes"? That track basically SCREAMS for Ghost to do some heartfelt shit over it...I think that was the biggest let down by far for me. All I know is I dig Ghost, but him ranting about money and then having an album cover with tons of money and the concept of the CD being he needs to recover from being addcited to money just seem hypocritical, even greedy (which I know his Muslim faith would look down upon, at least if your going by "genuine" Islam). You need to recover from your addiction from money? Well thats what RZA trying to help you with if he IS cheating you of money. But shit Ghost only on 3 songs and a hook....he can't be expecting THAT much cash from his little amount of work. and if Im Raekwon I'd be more angry at Aftermath and Dr. Dre then the RZA because they the main ones who are fucking with his shit on both a finaicial and creative stand point by pushing back OB4CL2


But Big Doe Rehab>8 Diagrams...its just more pleasing on the ears lyrically, production wise and even guest apperances.

Top 3 (cuz thats all I REALLY loved off the LP about):

Take It Back
While the Heart Gently Weeps
Life Changes


Bottom 3 (though theres more)

Rushing Elephants
Wolves
Starter (good god )

but after giving it a couple more spins it isn't THAT bad, but it certainly isn't that great. At all. I do enjoy "Get Them Out Ya Way Pa", Stick Me for My Riches, "Windmill" though; however, RZA tried TOO HARD to add guitar on tracks that did not require it ("Unpredicatble")...and it wasnt even good guitar riffs either.

[g-mile7]

Yeah, if anyone finds this out post that shit up. I Googled it and found nothing...

And Cappa is growing on me I guess...

Cappa had a period where he was not too good (anything after '96 pretty much) but he isnt that bad. In fact, it seems that him and U-God have not fallen off and improved the most out of the Wu while GZA has fallen off the hardest (just too predicatable in terms of his flow, lyrics and delivery). But dude is 40 something so I will cut him some slack, he still is the Genuis after all.

Funny to think that this might be the last Wu album, and pretty much the last time we hear a Ghost verse over an all RZA beat ("Campfire")

[Deep_Sea_Rain]

And Ghost on just 4 tracks...c'mon. I suppose we should be thankful that he's even on there, but they could've spread his tracks out through the album instead of lumping them all near the beginning...but other than that, solid record.

[checkyourprez]

a lot of you guys are out of your gords.

here its like 85% to 15% of people who prefer BDR and think 8D is weak.

over on the wu site it the total opposite. people think 8D is really good. think BDR has low replay value and way weaker production.



i side with 8D best rap album in years. and BDR, while good, just another run of the mill ghost album that doesnt stand out in any particular way.

[Auton]

what are you talking about? i'm on there, and a whole slew of members of that forum think it's a heap of shit

[checkyourprez]

by whole slew, i think you ment to say select few. but anyways...


i was refering to something like this... http://www.wutang-corp.com/forum/showthread.php?t=47297

[Deep_Sea_Rain]

It looks like the tour is going down without RZA. He's supposedly not doing any of the dates...fuck, this puts a damper on my excitement for the Portland show...

[King PSYZ]

damn that's depressing, I'm seeing them in a week and ahalf here in vegas.

[Deep_Sea_Rain]

Any member of the clan could shit in a jewel case, put it out as the next Wu album, and people would say it's amazing. That being said, 8D isn't bad at all. Definitely stronger than The W.

[Deep_Sea_Rain]

Actually I find Masta Killa to be one of the Clan's highlights. He seems like an intelligent and wise old dude. Cappadonna (if he is indeed a member) takes the award in my book for the Clan's lyrical low point.

[roosta]

you know what? this is growing on me.

[g-mile7]

its doesnt touch the W


on a related note:

In a videotaped message from a tour stop in Norfolk, Va., Wu-Tang Clan member and solo star Ghostface Killah laments the fact that fans are illegally downloading his latest CD, The Big Doe Rehab, rather than ponying up the cash to buy it.

"I thought y'all motherf*ckers loved me man," Ghost said. "You know I go all out for y'all man, and I love y'all man, but y'all n*ggas be hurtin' the kid, because y'all don't wanna go cop our CD, you feel me? Y'all rather download our sh*t, which is cool, whatever whatever, whatever. But it's like come on man. We do this, we spend a lot of time in the studio, and puttin' this work in to come out with no results when we drop our albums and sh*t man." [See video below]

No slouch when it comes to mathematics, Pretty Toney knows that having over 100,000 friends on MySpace and selling under 50,000 albums in the first go-round doesn't add up.

"So I'm just saying that like 115,000 friends on the MySpace and I get like 30,000 or something like that in the first week, that's not good man, 'cause I know a lot of y'all got my sh*t, but y'all just downloaded it man," he said. "I'm askin y'all to go to the store and buy that. I'm using all these samples trying to put all this sh*t together for y'all man, and y'all n*ggas is still on that bullsh*t man."

Ghost debuted at No. 41 with his latest effort, pushing 35,600 copies in his first week and landing behind the likes of Scarface, Drama and Wyclef Jean. He said that numbers like those may make him quit rapping altogether.

"If y'all really rollin with the kid, snap out that sh*t man," he said. "This is real talk man. It's comin' from your homey man. Y'all n*ggas gonna make me leave the game based on n*ggas doin' sh*t like that man. I thought y'all loved me, man. Go cop that CD man, even if you downloaded that sh*t man, go to the store and cop that man. If you really love your man."

Ghost is even offering "personal meetings" with anyone who brings a CD to a show as proof of purchase.

"When I come to your town, show me that motherf*ckin CD," he said. "Show me the CD and we could all have meetings. I'll take a personal meeting with all y'all n*ggas every time I'm in the town, just bring me a CD to the show me and show me you did that, and I"ll sit there and kick it with y'all. We can get goosed out, whatever y'all wanna do."

"We can all have a pow wow," Ghost added. "But yo, don't front on the kid like that. I didn't front on y'all when I delivered it man, don't front on me like that man."

http://www.sohh.com/articles/article.php/13516


video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rnKGLVAKkXs



Big Doe is a good album though, it wasn't as good as FishScale but its still a bit better than 8 Diagrams...feel bad for Ghost, but in all honesty the hunger isnt there anymore from listening to him on the LP...not even compared to FishScale.

[g-mile7]

Actually I find Masta Killa to be one of the Clan's highlights. He seems like an intelligent and wise old dude. Cappadonna (if he is indeed a member) takes the award in my book for the Clan's lyrical low point.

Cappa from 95-97 was not that bad...better than U-God during that period.

[checkyourprez]

video for "take it back"


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vvn598cvlic


its supposed to be offical...