KRS-One is a senile old chump

[Lex Diamonds]

It's a shame, I have a lot of respect for him but he's clearly getting old and growing out of touch with hip-hop today...

CHECK THIS CRAZY ASS NIQQA (http://realtalkny.rawkus.com/2007/10/topic/artists/kanye/krs-one-questions-if-kanye-west-is-hip-hop-sides-with-50-cent)

[Kid Presentable]

No offense, but the day an 18 year old kid from England is in the position to dictate to KRS the validity of his opinions is the day it starts raining noodles. It's not an insult, so no need for a witty rejoinder.

[Lex Diamonds]

His opinions are valid, anyone's opinions are valid, but he's clearly out of touch with how the music is changing recently.

[Otis Driftwood]

I haven't listened to Fiddies last album and I don't plan to, but Graduation Day sucked sour frog ass. Utter crap. (n)

[Kid Presentable]

I mean, Kanye is a bit of a knob.

"Never let a trophy tell me how nice I am"

[Lex Diamonds]

You jus' don't know hip-hop, baby pa!

CHECK IT (http://en.metapedia.org/wiki/Hip_Hop)

[checkyourprez]

kanyes new album is nice. it is what it is.

50s has some nice beats on the new album but he sucks. and sounds like krs-1 is just trying to hop on the da dick.

[Auton]

i have to agree entirely with the padster and checkyourprez on this one. just listen to him talk! he's a fucking moron. i've never taken anything he's said seriously, and i never will. this dude is completely out of touch with reality. he really, really doesn't know what he's talking about.

he sees 50 as GROWING? he's made the same album 3 times in a row!
hip is about Innovation? you just said 2 minutes ago that you want "boom bap" and that you didn't like the new kind of stuff being added to rap music by people like kanye. whatever :rolleyes:

[RobMoney$]

Stop confusing integrity with popularity.

I agree with what KRS said.
The streets don't recognize Kanye, he's an MTV rapper. 50 is recognized by the streets. 50 is EVERYWHERE in NYC right now. He's #1 on the Hot 97 countdown, billboards, record store windows, the hustle man selling bootleg mixtapes, you name it. Walk in just about any sneaker store or Bodega in NYC right now and they'll be bumping 50.


Most of the people who post here are out of touch with hip-hop today. Most of the "authorities" on hip-hop in this forum will verbally felliate everything Wu-Tang and dismiss 50. "Curtis" sold 690,000 copies the first week.
If and when 8 diagrams ever drops I bet it doesn't sell anywhere close to that.
Whether you like 50 or not, you gotta recognize his game.

[Kid Presentable]

I can't believe Brenda is thinking about leaving. :(

Robert, please name these authorities who raise your ire so. I'm sure they're just people who like talking about music. If you think anybody is a "quote" "rap authority" "end-quote" then its probably your problem.

[Jitters]

Most of the people who post here are out of touch with hip-hop today. Most of the "authorities" on hip-hop in this forum will verbally felliate everything Wu-Tang and dismiss 50.

I wouldn't say that they're out of touch necessarily but they definitely hate the rappers who generally get air play and sell millions of albums.

I recognize that 50 Cent sells millions of albums but that doesn't mean that I like him.

KRS is entitled to his opinions even if we disagree, but in a way 50 does represent rap music right now when you think about it. Rap is whatever the majority is doing and right now he serves as a good example of what most young rappers "strive" to be.

[RobMoney$]

I recognize that 50 Cent sells millions of albums but that doesn't mean that I like him.

KRS is entitled to his opinions even if we disagree, but in a way 50 does represent rap music right now when you think about it. Rap is whatever the majority is doing and right now he serves as a good example of what most young rappers "strive" to be.

Nail on head.

[RobMoney$]

I can't believe Brenda is thinking about leaving. :(

I'm just hoping David gets that record deal.

Robert, please name these authorities who raise your ire so. I'm sure they're just people who like talking about music. If you think anybody is a "quote" "rap authority" "end-quote" then its probably your problem.

If were talking about authorities on hip-hop on the BBMB, there's only one man it can possibly be.

Slimm.

[g-mile7]

And 5Os not an MTV rapper? 5O has had way more hype on MTV then Kanye...just look how much he was on it when Massacre came out. And this has nothing to do with authority but the sheer hypocrisy of "self concious" KRS ONE who dissed Nelly 4 being pop, but guess if your 'street' then it dont apply. And your "5O number one in the streets, billboards" your foolish...6OO,OOO doesnt match 975,OOO.



And I honestly dont think anyone thinks Wu-Tang going sale alot of units regardless of the quality of the CD.

[g-mile7]

"Cant Tell Me Nothing" is felt by the streets, "Stronger", "Good Life" by the masses. Kanye might not be "street" but I thought the whole gripe by people is theres NO ORIGINALITY in hip hop and it focuses on guns, sex and cash? Kanye brings it.

KRS ONE did hip hop a disfavor, you can give 5O props but dont discredit Kanye's contribution to the game. Its the same shit Outkast had to deal with and now you got folks begging 4 a return of the "Aquameni" sound. That being said, I enjoy 5O more than Wayne.

[g-mile7]

I haven't listened to Fiddies last album and I don't plan to, but Graduation Day sucked sour frog ass. Utter crap. (n)

What an insightful critique.

[g-mile7]

I mean, Kanye is a bit of a knob.

"Never let a trophy tell me how nice I am"

meh he can be. But were talking strictly music based and 5O aint seeing Kanye...now keep in mind Kanye has the upper hand since he IS producer but Kanyes is improving as a song writer while 5Os stagnate.

1 the main reasons 5O LP lost 1st week cause people were more sick of his knobish behavior then Kanye.

5O got his $$$, he created an image made based round his past life and won.

[roosta]

Kanye west is a proper ARTIST. He makes music that he feels. Say what you like bout him, its hard to deny that Kanye is a proper musician.

50 is the archetypal formulaic rapper, an album to him is something to be planned with A&R's, and marketing types. Hes completely corporate, and for KRS to embrace him like that is nonsense. He goes in one sentance to talking bout honour graf and beat-boxing to saying we should honour 50, who's entire outlook on life is money, money, money. KRS says "why are sales the mark of excellence?" Well, thats what 50 wants...listen to "I Get Money". He has decided that we judge him on money.

It doesn't matter where you come from or who you are, if KRS-One is talking shit, he's talking shit. He might have made some good records, but that doesn't mean he gets a pass to say any old bullshit. The man is talking through his hole and he's doing it for one reason only, to be controversial. That's all he does lately.

After 9/11 he made some comments bout how the hip-hop community cheered when it happened. He was then hauled onto Fox to defend his views and through the biggest shit-eating grin he spun some excuse that contradicted what he had said.

I like KRS-One, but the man talks through his hole, ALOT.

I liked his last threat to ring-tone rappers though

[RobMoney$]

I agree with all the derogatory things everyone has to say about 50.
Yes, he's formulaic.
Yes, his music lacks integrity.
Yes, 50 is a douche-bag...but he is the most respected and popular MC in the streets today, more than Kanye will ever be. That's all I'm saying, and for that reason alone, he is hip-hop right now.

Kanye clearly is aiming at another audience with the way he carries himself and what his music is about and no matter what the record sales are, 50 will always be more "street" and more "hip-hop".


Also, I find it ironic that we're talking about 50 lacking integrity on a MB who's first hip-hop album was an admitted goof on hip-hop.
Yet every person who posts here probably loved LTI.


Also, I disagree that Kanye is a proper artist. Kanye is all about lavishing himself with Burberry and Versaci. I see no integrity in that.

[Otis Driftwood]

What an insightful critique.
I really liked and still listen to Kanyes first album a lot, but Graduation Day pained me, I found no worthwhile beats or lyrics when I heard it. Your comment is valid, of course, but I cannot give you a better critique as I won't listen to it again, with great new stuff from Aesop or Sage Francis around (y). What bothers me is that a lot of arguments here are about sales figures and mass appeal, which you should not judge "What is rap/hip hop" by. Or do you really?

[Lex Diamonds]

It's called GRADUATION, cheesedick.

And those of you who agree with KRS are morons. He gets a pass because he's a hip-hop legend, you lot are just fat cunts.

[SobaViolence]

'be careful with yo' words'
please KRS.
please.
stfu.
digital age my ass.

[Lyman Zerga]

i havent heard any of his stuff in like 10 years, all i remeber is his nose

[ggirlballa]

krs-one is going loco lately

[Lex Diamonds]

MY MONEY, MA-MA-MY MONEY, LONG
I BLACK OUT AND BREAK A BAT ON YO ASS LIKE BARRY BONDS

Yeah bwoy, that's real hip-hop right there!

[RobMoney$]

It was Kangols, Cazelli shades, Pumas and corn braids
Doo-rags on the waist, brass knuckles, switchblades
Ski mask to get paid, new shells to get sprayed
Hoodrats to get laid, money to get made.


Kanye will never be able to write anything as Hip-Hop as that.

[g-mile7]

Though it might be hard to believe Slimm post was spot on...especilly about the song "Classic" (where Rakim name checks him) and Biggie (who grew up in an area where doctors and lawyers were round the way).

The thread is about KRS' hypocrisy not about his place in hip hop.


Also of intrest is that the latest Rolling Stone (Kid Rock cover) has Kanye having the number 1 CD in NEW ORLEANS (as of Sept 26th on the last page). That speaks volumes.

[g-mile7]

Sayin indirectly that bein "street" equals bein more "hip hop" is ignorant.Hip Hop=creativity

Lupe
Common
Mos
Talib
Luda
3OOO
Shady
Tribe
Beasties
even Rakim,those rappers R hip hop without bein' street. U have 2 B pretty out of touch 2 think 5O has as much street respect as U claim. 5Os in the suburbs more then 'Ye (pop charts,a single with Justin Timberlake, clothing line).D Block,Dipset, etc R more "street" then 5O.U wouldnt say theyre more "hip hop".Image doesnt equal a better rapper/hip hop artist.

[g-mile7]

You act as if 5O (with guest from Em, Robin Thicke, Justin Timberlake, Nicole of Pussycat fame) isnt aiming 4 the same audience 'Ye is. If 5O was just aiming 4 the "streets" he wouldnt have tracks like "Amusement Park", "Follow My Lead" or have more records sold then proclaimed "street rappers" like Wayne,Jadakiss,Fat Joe,etc.Street folk arent the main ones buying his shit.If Ye was aiming at a different audience why "Cant Tell Me Nothing"(charting on the RAP aka street billboard),even "Crack Music"?SMH.

[silence7]

In one breath he talks about how any kid can take 10 grand down to Sam Ash and buy the equipment needed to "Compete" with Dr. Dre etc. and then goes on to say he doesn't know if that's good for "Us" Who is "Us"?

Why wouldn't kids (with 10 grand :rolleyes:) competing be a good thing? Who's to say whether they stay true to the roots of Hip-Hop or not. Either way nothing but good can come out of having more people join in. The free market will weed out the crap and the good stuff will sell.


Ringtone Rappers... Hahahaha...

[RobMoney$]

Sayin indirectly that bein "street" equals bein more "hip hop" is ignorant.Hip Hop=creativity

Lupe
Common
Mos
Talib
Luda
3OOO
Shady
Tribe
Beasties
even Rakim,those rappers R hip hop without bein' street. U have 2 B pretty out of touch 2 think 5O has as much street respect as U claim. 5Os in the suburbs more then 'Ye (pop charts,a single with Justin Timberlake, clothing line).D Block,Dipset, etc R more "street" then 5O.U wouldnt say theyre more "hip hop".Image doesnt equal a better rapper/hip hop artist.

Are you saying that Rakim or Eminem get no respect in the streets?
LOLZ!!

I also disagree with the "Hip-Hop=creativity" statement. Staying true to Hip-Hop isn't necessarily being the most creative.

Kanye possibly producing Michael Jackson isn't going to win him any street cred, it only re-inforces the case for him being more of a pop artist than a Hip-Hop artist.

[Auton]

i believe he was pointing that they're not 'street' rappers but they do get respect on the street. being "street" and being respected by "THE street" means two completely different things. i think that's the point that you are not getting. those mc's aren't hardcore, but hardcore people love them.

likewise, just because 50 cent is "street" doesn't mean "THE street" all necessarily like him.

distinguish the two different terms.

[RobMoney$]

I'll never "get" Gmile.

[g-mile7]

Good cop out.Its a simple point that hip hop doesnt require being street.Believing that more street equals more hip hop then your no better then Bill O Riley.No one gets your weak argument Vanilla Ice. Rakim,Ye&others listed are just as much hip hop being not street but dealing with street themes.If you think Em is a "street" rapper then you need to get the fuck off this board for good.But Im sure your sources on the street tell U whats good...

[g-mile7]

Hip Hop artist want to be like Mike more then 5O in terms of impact and sales.Dont you know 5O wants to work with MJ too, whats that say about him?Kanye producing for MJ has NOTHING 2 do with him being a hip hop artist, but him as a producer. DJ Preimer did tracks 4 Christina Agulira and he aint any less hip-hop 4 it. Stop ignoring the fact that 5O's just as pop, if not more, then Kanye. You hardly know anything about the culture, not suprising though.

[Lex Diamonds]

G is right, 50 is far far far more pop than Kanye. If you think 50 is still hot on the streets then you're an idiot. 50 fell off almost as hard as Eminem, the streets are turning on him.

[Lyman Zerga]

hip pop

[hpdrifter]

Its probably been said but yeah, 50 is about as Mtv as you can get.

Songs with Justin Timberlake, ROBIN THICKE, and Nicole Sherzinger on "Curtis".

He even said he doesn't give a shit about the music he just wants to make money.

If that's a reflection of hip hop today (it might well be), that's just really sad.

Kanye isn't the one out there shilling everything he can put his name on. 50's raps may be about more "street" topics and that is an important component but another equally important component is innovation, creativity. That's what brought hip hop to where it is today.

[Lyman Zerga]

He even said he doesn't give a shit about the music he just wants to make money.


lol

well yeah it's true, hip hop is the new pop

[RobMoney$]

Good cop out.Its a simple point that hip hop doesnt require being street.

You call it a cop out, I call it an attempt to not get disparaging towards you. But since you went there...

I have to laugh right in your face at even attempting to try to dictate to me what street is. You live in the suburbs of Sacremento in an Edward Scissorhands neighborhood. Your ghetto pass got revoked years ago, Cuz. You down with Eddie Scissors now. What the fuck do you know about who's hot in NYC & the streets, Scissor? I was listening to hip-hop and bombing the EL in Philly & NYC before you were a twinkle in your daddy's eye. I think either those 1997 braids are twisted too tight and it's starting to cut off the circulation to your head, or all that pomade is starting to penetrate your brain. Those braids and your rhymes went out of style about the same time Tupac got shot.

Believing that more street equals more hip hop then your no better then Bill O Riley.No one gets your weak argument Vanilla Ice.

It's not an argument, it's a fact. Let me know when Kanye puts out a mixtape on the street. I've got over 20 of them by 50. He's a mixtape legend. Kanye is a studio rapper and only releases studio albums.

BTW, it's you're and than
...and LOL @ the fact that you watch Bill O'Riely...that's gotta hurt your cred on the street with all your hardcore, gang-banging gods & earfs.

Rakim,Ye&others listed are just as much hip hop being not street but dealing with street themes.If you think Em is a "street" rapper then you need to get the fuck off this board for good.But Im sure your sources on the street tell U whats good...

I know you pray for it every night, make rap songs about it, and say it in every 5th post you make, but I have no intentions of leaving this board.
Maybe you're the one who needs to get the fuck off this board for good for even mentioning Kanye & Rakim in the same sentence not once, but three seperate times in this thread alone.
Rakim is arguably the greatest rapper to ever pick up a mic.

Rakim put shit out there for the streets, Eminem did too. 50 is probably the most prolific mixtape artist to date.
Kanye does nothing for the street, therefore he gets less respect in the streets than 50, Em, or Rakim, and that's a fact.

I can either side with a bunch of dorks on a message board who say kanye is god's gift to all that is hip-hop because he sampled daft punk and is rumored to be in line to produce MJ,...or I can side with KRS-one, a legendary NYC hip-hop artist and political activist who says Kanye's weak.

I think I'll choose KRS.

[g-mile7]

Oh Rob, your so my bitch on this board.


I dont need to explain myself to you cause you'll just twist it,as usual,and grasp at straws to diss me. I made a point (more street doesnt equal more hip hop) almost everyone agreed with. But at the end of the day I can take solice in the fact that I dont have to worry about growing into an ugly, overweight,semi-retarded (you act like it anyway) white pathetic old man whose only vaule on here is the fact the mods can't get rid of him...like herpes.

Hata ;)

[g-mile7]

And don't try to correct my spelling over the net (that and your multiple screen names, the mark of a nerd, not someone who "knows" the streets) if your going spell "Sacramento" wrong.I dont see how you could consider 5O "street",his image hasnt been purely "street" since "Power of the Dollar".At one point in his life he was,but once you make 5OObillion purely off stocks then I think some of your street cred is revoked,like you said to me. But guess the rules dont apply,even if your singing harmony raps.

[g-mile7]

I've been listening 2 rap since U were skinny.Im not street,but like Ye & the rappers I mentioned,Ive been round street elements/folks,spent alot of my youth in ghetto Baton Rouge,visting my family&anybody that knows Sacramento knows it has ALOT of bad spots.Lived in a cramp apartment with 6 other folks,sharing a room till I was 18,till we were able 2 finally RENT a house.If I dont have a right 2 dictate hip hop,street,etc. 2 U neither does 5O.He was more street than me,but also WAY richer/suburban living.

[Lyman Zerga]

gmile always throws around with those insults

stop having such hard feelings, bro (y)

[Lex Diamonds]

For real, what do either of you nerds know about "the street" (as you keep referring to whatever it is you're arguing about)? When's the last time either of you or any of your friends sold crack or shot somebody?

The whole argument is stupid and just highlights how lame some internet hip-hop nerds can be.

[Lyman Zerga]

it's not really about hip hop though, they are just trying to milk each other at any opportunity

[Lo_Lyfe]

I can either side with a bunch of dorks on a message board who say kanye is god's gift to all that is hip-hop because he sampled daft punk and is rumored to be in line to produce MJ,...or I can side with KRS-one, a legendary NYC hip-hop artist and political activist who says Kanye's weak.

I think I'll choose KRS.

wait a minute....being a political activist makes you right? You just follow people if they are political activists?

I guess Hitler was right then?

[Auton]

For real, what do either of you nerds know about "the street" (as you keep referring to whatever it is you're arguing about)? When's the last time either of you or any of your friends sold crack or shot somebody?

The whole argument is stupid and just highlights how lame some internet hip-hop nerds can be.

as far as i can see, i don't think anyone was calling themselves "street," dumbass

[ericg]

at one time, i thought to appreciate krs as some good old fundamental hip hop that told the real deal.

with the onset of the new century, the world - especially america - has needed integral props like never before, and i relied on krs to be one of the few to be true. in 2006, when i was getting back into college in arcata, ca, i finally saw him live at a small joint ...
i moved to eureka as california was the only state i found that offered a full tuition veteran's grant, which was on behalf of my dad's vietnam service disability.. as i lost my benefits with an early discharge... in any case, i decided to stay north, and simply wanted to settle in an ecological place where i could get away from the nation's static and catch up in college - grant myself some space to better focus on my ever-hurting prerogatives... unfortunately, my expectations were severely disappointed. it turned out to be a defunct place ran by a corrupt conservative with a bunch of factioned off pagans. i was going through a ridiculously hard and crazy time having to mess around with poorly regulated classes and kids 10 years younger than me that hadn't the wherewithal or experience it takes to have anywhere near a serious recognition or comprehension of anything.
in any case, i appreciated what i could and honed in on a lot of research that gave me a better and gestalt view of history.. and socio-... everything. i had been tracking a specific area of the transportation industry for some time and took a business course to get a vital ecooperative started. with no luck finding funders around arcata, i had hoped krs, in all his adherence to straight brass tax (which is severely bereft these days), would be able to assist. unfortunately he was out right after his set and getting in touch with anyone these days has been next to impossible.
anyway, a week prior, after going through much hell having to live in extremely shitty places and at one point a fucking uhaul as the financial aid had been held up and the school, being par with this nation's wrought course in being degenerated and severly incompetent... anyway, at last resort and in a move of survival, i moved into the "university apts", a severely mismanaged, criminally run efficiency complex near hsu. one night, i was getting annoyed by the half way house kids out on the balcony who were acting out like 10th graders. i asked them if they could simma down right outside my room but found static in return. knowing fools don't stop, and not wanting to get kicked out of the shitty little place for fighting (as others did and lost money) i then mentioned that krs would soon be in town, and if they couldn't learn how to be from school, they should try checking him out.
in any case, to make a short story long, i had long been researching cemi theory and how it pertains to telepathy... like i said, i was going through a 'crazy' time... which i won't get into altogether.. right now, here. in any case, a few days after krs-one performed, i heard him 'freestylin' from the upstairs apt - where neverending 'tapping' and much bs static had been coming from since i moved in causing me extreme stress. i had confronted the half way retarded lowlife many times only to find that he denied everything or didn't have the balls or sense to open his door - as well as spoke with the idiot building manager to no avail. though i had thought krs may stick around town to check the herbs, and thought it made sense he'd be at a college trying to 'teach', i was still very surprised that krs was in that particular apt. at first i thought it was a music player, but it was too 'freestyle' and real. after the first couple of lines about the show, of which by the way - when he saw me he 'freestyled' something about mike d, i knew he was actually up there. but this was now a conflict of interests. like i said, i had been going through a hell of a time with some crazy phenomena in this crazy middle of nowhere town that preferred it that way for the town's income was its crops.. however, it had become completely corrupted and dufunct ... good intentions... anyway, krs seemed to have some 'beef' with telepathy. i realized he was rapping about me by other things he said, out of nowhere. there's was some other 'under the radar' shit that happened in the club that night and before... which i won't get into, some shit's just too nuanced... anyway, i should have went up and checked it out. but i didn't. to be honest, i knew i'd figured it/ him out and had had so much respect for him up to that point, i didn't even want the situation to be real. i walked off disappointed. i have too much sympathy... which i've found often only seems to give certain people the excuse to stab you in the back. he's got issues. i won't get into them here though. hearing his new release 'hip hop' hurt, in that i saw it as a front - any politician can (somewhat smartly) play a cover to sound right on. he sold out like he doesn't have any real 'connections' now. he preaches to the choir too much and resting entirely to heavily on 'laurels' which he's now fell through. it's sad. anyway, that was whole subjective situation that is beyond... though still sums up in the most real of ways re everything. i just thought this was a good chance to...

in staying objective... i hope things work out well and he's able to get some props back. i don't know. i think it's done. there's no escaping timing.. where people should be... reality.

kanye. some would say hip hop's a hard game - and you gotta keep your enemy's close - i hope people can still tell the difference at the end of the day. fucking donnie brasco complex. unfortunately, the industry, like society is unfortunatley all too little known to be fucked with bs values, corruption, the same national trend this world/ country's affairs have been for too long. kanye seems dangerously in the middle, trying to get shit back right (usurp the word, 'right') but seems, only for show - a mock up really. granted the majority pay too close attention and agian, get their trend from mtv - degeneration network and stay confounded about the form and ways of everything. he's gotta get people's attention somehow i guess. did he sell out? i don't know. jay-z's the same way. too mixed up. rockefella? one of the most corrupt families/ fascists known - who controls most media, multinational corporations, and both sides of politics. people gotta watch out and know a little something about everything. fucking mix up. i don't have much to say about 50. i hope he gets and gives better 'chances'. the face off - i hope it goes to give this chance for 'g.o.o.d' as it were. good is simply more innovative and worth while - it's a life science, as opposed to anti life really. a dialectic... yang doesn't mean yin. everybody gotta learn what's what one way or another. it's an age old world.

[RobMoney$]

I tried to stay above the petty name calling, but Scissorhands had to go there. You take a swing at me, I'm gonna swing back.

My initial point was to try to illustrate where KRS was coming from with his statements. 50 is everywhere in NYC right now.
I know Padster is from the UK and might not realize 50's impact in NYC right now.
I was trying to bring a little insight to the topic.

[RobMoney$]

Oh Rob, you're so my bitch on this board.


I misspelled something, you're making the same grammar mistakes over and over which indicates that you're ignorant.

You're= You are
Your= It belongs to you.

You're welcome,

BITCH.

[Lyman Zerga]

I guess Hitler was right then?

of course!

[pshabi]

WTF? TL;DR. This one and the post in gen beastie. Dude, your shit is painful to read. PAINFUL. I made it through about 10% of this one. Get to the fucking point!

Thank you.

at one time, i thought to appreciate krs as some good old fundamental hip hop that told the real deal.

with the onset of the new century, the world - especially america - has needed integral props like never before, and i relied on krs to be one of the few to be true. in 2006, when i was getting back into college in arcata, ca, i finally saw him live at a small joint ...
i moved to eureka as california was the only state i found that offered a full tuition veteran's grant, which was on behalf of my dad's vietnam service disability.. as i lost my benefits with an early discharge... in any case, i decided to stay north, and simply wanted to settle in an ecological place where i could get away from the nation's static and catch up in college - grant myself some space to better focus on my ever-hurting prerogatives... unfortunately, my expectations were severely disappointed. it turned out to be a defunct place ran by a corrupt conservative with a bunch of factioned off pagans. i was going through a ridiculously hard and crazy time having to mess around with poorly regulated classes and kids 10 years younger than me that hadn't the wherewithal or experience it takes to have anywhere near a serious recognition or comprehension of anything.
in any case, i appreciated what i could and honed in on a lot of research that gave me a better and gestalt view of history.. and socio-... everything. i had been tracking a specific area of the transportation industry for some time and took a business course to get a vital ecooperative started. with no luck finding funders around arcata, i had hoped krs, in all his adherence to straight brass tax (which is severely bereft these days), would be able to assist. unfortunately he was out right after his set and getting in touch with anyone these days has been next to impossible.
anyway, a week prior, after going through much hell having to live in extremely shitty places and at one point a fucking uhaul as the financial aid had been held up and the school, being par with this nation's wrought course in being degenerated and severly incompetent... anyway, at last resort and in a move of survival, i moved into the "university apts", a severely mismanaged, criminally run efficiency complex near hsu. one night, i was getting annoyed by the half way house kids out on the balcony who were acting out like 10th graders. i asked them if they could simma down right outside my room but found static in return. knowing fools don't stop, and not wanting to get kicked out of the shitty little place for fighting (as others did and lost money) i then mentioned that krs would soon be in town, and if they couldn't learn how to be from school, they should try checking him out.
in any case, to make a short story long, i had long been researching cemi theory and how it pertains to telepathy... like i said, i was going through a 'crazy' time... which i won't get into altogether.. right now, here. in any case, a few days after krs-one performed, i heard him 'freestylin' from the upstairs apt - where neverending 'tapping' and much bs static had been coming from since i moved in causing me extreme stress. i had confronted the half way retarded lowlife many times only to find that he denied everything or didn't have the balls or sense to open his door - as well as spoke with the idiot building manager to no avail. though i had thought krs may stick around town to check the herbs, and thought it made sense he'd be at a college trying to 'teach', i was still very surprised that krs was in that particular apt. at first i thought it was a music player, but it was too 'freestyle' and real. after the first couple of lines about the show, of which by the way - when he saw me he 'freestyled' something about mike d, i knew he was actually up there. but this was now a conflict of interests. like i said, i had been going through a hell of a time with some crazy phenomena in this crazy middle of nowhere town that preferred it that way for the town's income was its crops.. however, it had become completely corrupted and dufunct ... good intentions... anyway, krs seemed to have some 'beef' with telepathy. i realized he was rapping about me by other things he said, out of nowhere. there's was some other 'under the radar' shit that happened in the club that night and before... which i won't get into, some shit's just too nuanced... anyway, i should have went up and checked it out. but i didn't. to be honest, i knew i'd figured it/ him out and had had so much respect for him up to that point, i didn't even want the situation to be real. i walked off disappointed. i have too much sympathy... which i've found often only seems to give certain people the excuse to stab you in the back. he's got issues. i won't get into them here though. hearing his new release 'hip hop' hurt, in that i saw it as a front - any politician can (somewhat smartly) play a cover to sound right on. he sold out like he doesn't have any real 'connections' now. he preaches to the choir too much and resting entirely to heavily on 'laurels' which he's now fell through. it's sad. anyway, that was whole subjective situation that is beyond... though still sums up in the most real of ways re everything. i just thought this was a good chance to...

in staying objective... i hope things work out well and he's able to get some props back. i don't know. i think it's done. there's no escaping timing.. where people should be... reality.

kanye. some would say hip hop's a hard game - and you gotta keep your enemy's close - i hope people can still tell the difference at the end of the day. fucking donnie brasco complex. unfortunately, the industry, like society is unfortunatley all too little known to be fucked with bs values, corruption, the same national trend this world/ country's affairs have been for too long. kanye seems dangerously in the middle, trying to get shit back right (usurp the word, 'right') but seems, only for show - a mock up really. granted the majority pay too close attention and agian, get their trend from mtv - degeneration network and stay confounded about the form and ways of everything. he's gotta get people's attention somehow i guess. did he sell out? i don't know. jay-z's the same way. too mixed up. rockefella? one of the most corrupt families/ fascists known - who controls most media, multinational corporations, and both sides of politics. people gotta watch out and know a little something about everything. fucking mix up. i don't have much to say about 50. i hope he gets and gives better 'chances'. the face off - i hope it goes to give this chance for 'g.o.o.d' as it were. good is simply more innovative and worth while - it's a life science, as opposed to anti life really. a dialectic... yang doesn't mean yin. everybody gotta learn what's what one way or another. it's an age old world.

[adam_f]

edit: I'll just admit right now Rob owned me in the next post.

[RobMoney$]

Looks like a bunch of those are import discs and and the few that are put out by DJs look like a majority of studio shit.

A real Mixtape is something a DJ puts out that is a compilation of studio tracks that may be remixed by the DJ along with EXTRA tracks the label didn't put on the studio album. The artist usually gives these tracks to a DJ as a favor, and also to get the tracks out to the fans in the streets, because that's where the DJ's distribute them, through your local neighborhood hustle-man, not on amazon.com.


But whatever man, Kanye is more street than 50 then, whatever you say.

[adam_f]

Yes, I know what a mixtape is. All I'm saying is that he's not just a studio rapper and even though they might not be true mixtapes, when you're from Pittsburgh, that's about as close as it gets. We get nothing here, man.

[sjp]

"call me gavin, I’m the captain of this carnival cruise.
kathy lee lets me rub my dick on her boobs."

that is far better than anything 50 has ever written. damn listening to mc chris right now he's creative and is hip hop gotta side with gmile hip hip= creative doesn't matter who you are or where you come from if you can rhyme you can rhyme like murs said "hip hop its fuckin fun."

[ericg]

WTF? TL;DR. This one and the post in gen beastie. Dude, your shit is painful to read. PAINFUL. I made it through about 10% of this one. Get to the fucking point!

Thank you.

dyslexia.. a.d.d.? i don't know. was it painful like sharp cheddar?
the point is that people don't have any integral props/ intelligent wherewithal that really counts so can only end up acting like/ going along to get along with what they see on mtv - which keeps them in an ignorant state of bliss/ degeneration/ sub standard or par... without ever knowing any difference/ better. make them stupid, give them a complex by reality's contrast any fool can descry when it gets down to it - then make them feel cool and 'in sync' by it anyway after the fact. it's the field of poppies where no one gets to figure out to the 'emerald city'.

krs ultimately serves mtv.
he never gives 'it' up, and only tries to take more control.
he loses - along with everyone else. attention spans are lost, and people remain economic slaves/ dumbed down, never "wise to the demise".

[g-mile7]

And now we see one of the main reasons why KRS dissed Ye over 5O. And haha at the whole "take a swing" "milking each other comments. He related being "street" to being "hip hop"; thus, eliminating a whole list of great rappers who, by defintion and comparision to 5O, arent street.Those rappers make songs with elements felt by the streets but they are not street. Em is not street, Rakim is not street and if you think so you need to study those artist more.

[g-mile7]

In the end I called him on a clearly ignorant statement,so clear that others agreed.If Im so hard to get why can others get my main point that has nothing to do with me being street?Its clear 5O isnt in the streets anymore.Its clear that street cred doesnt make him more hip hop then Kanye.He's also aiming 4 the same audience as Ye to "Get Money".Alas,I can't get through that big head of yours,can I? But hey thanks 4 the spelling tips!Its good to know you excel at something!Can some1 get a B+ for the bitch?

[g-mile7]

gmile always throws around with those insults

stop having such hard feelings, bro (y)

Hard feelings? He doesn't respect my opinon and ignores/twist my points and you expect me to show him respect? Thats why insults fly. Just know theres a reason he's had like 6 different names on here from being banned. Its has nothing to do with him not getting along with po' lil ol me :(. Your doing good at playing the middle ground but dont ignore whats clear in your face.

[g-mile7]

Padster,u dont know what we're arguing about yet have the audacity 2 call us "nerds"?How nerdy is it for U being hurt by the fact I called U on saying a dumb thing?Me & Auton both are heavy in hip hop as both listeners/artist;thus,attacking Auton was off cause he IS an authority on it.We rarely debate on here cause idiots feel theyre PWNing folks with baseless claims they cant back;the true sign of a nerd.Sorry,but get over it.I also dont watch O'Riley Rob,any1 in rap knows he thinks hiphop=street like you

[roosta]

there's no such thing as an "authority" on music, especially when we are talking about taste.

you might be an authority on music trivia, but you just can't be an authority on "music"

[Lex Diamonds]

Padster,u dont know what we're arguing about yet have the audacity 2 call us "nerds"?
If I didn't know what you were arguing about it would be even nerdier. Face it, your argument is irrelevant and it's just coming from your dislike for each other.

Terms like "street" are impossible to define and you should never judge a person's whole career around such intangible concepts.

[Loppfessor]

If I didn't know what you were arguing about it would be even nerdier. Face it, your argument is irrelevant and it's just coming from your dislike for each other.

Terms like "street" are impossible to define and you should never judge a person's whole career around such intangible concepts.

LOL @ all of you chumps....but Padster aint "street"

[Lex Diamonds]

I never claimed to be, you throbbing wang.

Although I probably am compared to Rob Money and gmile.

[Lyman Zerga]

Hard feelings? He doesn't respect my opinon and ignores/twist my points and you expect me to show him respect? Thats why insults fly. Just know theres a reason he's had like 6 different names on here from being banned. Its has nothing to do with him not getting along with po' lil ol me :(. Your doing good at playing the middle ground but dont ignore whats clear in your face.

could you please think of something new (dont you have more insults for him? is he really that awesome?)
calling him fat, or that he got banned about a half dozen times aint that fresh no more, every cunt knows that

you know.. before i have to switch the channel! ah who cares im too lazy to search for the remote control anyway

and dont let yourself get provocated any damn fucking time