Sexual Assault...and such

[Loppfessor]

So the Military or at least the Air Force has a program called Sexual Assault Response Coordinator or SARC. Basically this is the person you are supposed to go to if you are sexually assaulted in any way. Now let me start by saying that I do not condone rape or sexual assault in any way shape or form. Rapist are the lowest of the low and I think they should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law, and then beat daily once they go to prison.

Having said that we had a briefing today from our local SARC officer. Let me just say that she and I got into a fairly heated debate about some things. She told this story about some Army fucks who raped a girl at some motel in Texas and how other guys were coming in and out of the room during the rape. Then she said that those guys who came in the room and left just didn’t want to be “cock blocks”. I told her that there was a hell of a difference between leaving a poor woman to be raped and being a cock block but she said “not really”.

The next thing we disagreed on was when she ran through one scenario where two people read from these cards. One was a cop and the other was a robbery victim. The cop asked the robbery victim about what he was wearing, how much he had to drink and things like that. The point was supposed to be that it’s wrong that they ask rape victims those questions. My argument was that line of thinking takes away any personal responsibility or accountability from the individual. If a woman wants to dress like a prostitute, get shit faced at a bar and then go home with a stranger she shouldn’t expect anything bad to happen to her? Again I’m not saying she deserves to be raped but I do think that she has to be more responsible i.e. have a plan before she goes out, don’t go out alone, don’t drink so much you can’t take care of yourself etc. The SARC lady thought it was irrelevant.

Also guys who describe sex to their buddies using phrases like “I hit that” “I tore it up” “ beat it up” etc are also more likely to have raped the girl than a guy who says “We had really good sex”. At least according to this lady they are. It is quite juvenile and tacky but dudes do talk and I can’t ever recall one of my boys saying “Yes we had sex” as opposed to “yeah I hit it” does that mean I’ve been surrounded by rapists for years??

Lastly she asked if anyone knew anybody who would have sex with a girl who had been drinking. Naturally we all raised our hands to which she replied “You all know a rapist”. Again I was inclined to disagree and let her know that I did. Even though according to the UCMJ (Uniform Code of Military Justice) if it can be proven that alcohol was in the victims system they can’t legally give consent. Basically if my girlfriend and I go to a club, have a few drinks then go home and have sex by law she can’t legally consent cus she’s been drinking. WTF??

Again I think rapists are fucking scum and it’s one of the most disgusting crimes that can be committed but there has to be a better way to get info out to people. I hate these bullshit generalizations and scare tactics that I have to hear about all the time. To me it would make a hell of a lot more sense to say “Look people, there’s a lot of dangers out there, here are some things you can do to protect yourself from them, here are some things you can do to help protect your buddy, here’s what you can do if something bad does happen to happen to you…” Am I way off the mark here? What do you guys think?

[TurdBerglar]

sounds like a manhater

[Loppfessor]

That's the vibe I got from her....she enjoyed her job just a bit too much as far as the trust no one, all men are rapists attitude she had went

[mikizee]

no shit, a definite man hating hairy armpitted lesbo.

This reminds me of a chick I chat to on msn, she's cool and we get along, and once as a joke or something i didn't even really think about I put up a tiny gif of some boobs bouncing.

She flew off the handle!!! Asking me why on earth would I think she would like that and how its degrading women blah blah blah... so I said 'I guess you don't like porn then' and she went on and on how porn stars are victims of drugging and its so degrading and if I'm a real man I should respect women and not use porn. Jesus Christ!

Then she tells me she went to a feminist all girls school then straight after started working in a women's mental health clinic.

I was thinking to myself... "I BET you don't give blowjobs, either"

[mikizee]

Phew! Good to see I'm not a racist then!

[Bob]

The next thing we disagreed on was when she ran through one scenario where two people read from these cards. One was a cop and the other was a robbery victim. The cop asked the robbery victim about what he was wearing, how much he had to drink and things like that. The point was supposed to be that it’s wrong that they ask rape victims those questions. My argument was that line of thinking takes away any personal responsibility or accountability from the individual. If a woman wants to dress like a prostitute, get shit faced at a bar and then go home with a stranger she shouldn’t expect anything bad to happen to her? Again I’m not saying she deserves to be raped but I do think that she has to be more responsible i.e. have a plan before she goes out, don’t go out alone, don’t drink so much you can’t take care of yourself etc. The SARC lady thought it was irrelevant.

i don't think you're wrong in that it's relevant in the sense that women should exercise some caution, but in the context of that scenario (police getting a statement out of a victim) i'm not sure it's relevant exactly what they were wearing.

[Loppfessor]

^ I don't think so either but the point she was trying to make as that things like that should have no impact. Maybe in a perfect world their not but like I stated before it takes away any personal responsibility....just because a person should be able to do something doesn't always mean they can

[russhie]

Probably the only dodgy bit there is describing how a woman dresses - it's really a bit subjective? Like...I was chatting to my waxer the other day, and we're both pretty busty, and we spoke about how frequently we're percieved as being "easy" or whatever, especially seeing as we're both all boobs waist hips, yeah? So whatever we wear, it's going to look slightly more suggestive than on a girl who has a boyish figure. Lots of guys just see that as a ticket to ride. I've been told that I can't possibly have stayed faithful to my boyfriend because of how I'm built - and that's pretty damn offensive seeing as I'm very aware of my body and how I dress.

Also, some girls don't think that they're dressed particularly slutty, when maybe someone else think they do. Kinda like that airplane girl from awhile back.

Aside from that, you're pretty right.

[-T-]

Lastly she asked if anyone knew anybody who would have sex with a girl who had been drinking. Naturally we all raised our hands to which she replied “You all know a rapist”. Again I was inclined to disagree and let her know that I did. Even though according to the UCMJ (Uniform Code of Military Justice) if it can be proven that alcohol was in the victims system they can’t legally give consent. Basically if my girlfriend and I go to a club, have a few drinks then go home and have sex by law she can’t legally consent cus she’s been drinking. WTF??


If say you and your girlfriend go out and have a few drinks then go home and have sex why would you be a rapist? Why couldn't she be the rapist?

Its not uncommon to be drunk then have a drunk girl come up to you and start groping you. So if the both of you ended up having sex how does that work with the rape thing. If you are both drunk and willingly have sex with each other there is not really a victim.

[mikizee]

Will someone please think of the children!

[abcdefz]

I was sexually assaulted this morning. This fairly fat, kind of whorish looking lady got on the light rail and made a point to brush her crotch
right past my face. Her zipper was down. She gave me a big smile. It was pretty gross.

[mikizee]

I was sexually assaulted this morning. This fairly fat, kind of whorish looking lady got on the light rail and made a point to brush her crotch
right past my face. Her zipper was down. She gave me a big smile. It was pretty gross.

I woulda said that quote from Billy Madison - "Lady you're scarin us!!!!"

[abcdefz]

I am blessed to know next to nothing about most Adam Sandler movies. (y)(y)(y)

[Bob]

i'm not sure i want you to answer this, but was there a smell?

[abcdefz]

Yup. Cheap perfume and vaguely menstrual notes. I am not lying.

[Dorothy Wood]

omg gross!


also, lol @ #58 in that big list.


andddd, as far as the dressing thing, I think that the point she's trying to make is that there's never an excuse for rape. I mean it happens, and I'm pretty sure that rapists have a lil something wrong up in the coconut anyway, they're obviously missing the inner voice that says, "uhhh, hey, don't rape people", so ladies should take precautions.

[abcdefz]

andddd, as far as the dressing thing, I think that the point she's trying to make is that there's never an excuse for rape.



Exactly. Didn't The Accused already cover this?

[abcdefz]

omg gross!





Exactly.

[insertnamehere]

so many things on that list were amazing

<3 joel

I think the drinking thing is stupid. If you get too drunk to make good decisions, your bad ones are your own fault. Doing someone who doesnt know what's going on, cant fight back , or is unconscious is something different, but if a girl has 6 drinks, gets silly, and screws someone then regrets it later, that's her fault.

In cosmo recently there was an article called "a new kind of rape" where it told the story of this lady who started making out with a guy friend, and then told him no sex, and then stopped for a bit, and then started fooling around again, and had sex, and they claim that this was rape. I'm pretty sure by fooling around some more and not saying No a second time, the guy just got confused and thought she changed her mind. This was not rape. A simple "seriously I said no" would have sufficed. Oh yeah, and don't send mixed fucking symbols like that.

[ericlee]

one night my buddies and I went to a beach party that some girls invited us to. The party was kickin off good and I got the buzz goin on pretty hard. One of the girls there who happened to be as drunk as I was walked over to me and started kissing me. Of course I started kissing back cause she was pretty damn fine. Next thing I know, her hand went down my pants and she started stickshifting me. She then grabbed my hand and took it right to her muff. We were both gettin into it.

Her one female friend noticed us and told us to stop and she said that I was taking advantage of her friend and that if we had sex, that I'd be raping her. The girl who was kissing me and stuff said that she has total control of herself and that she wanted me. Her friend told her that I'd still be taking advantage of her and grabbed her hand and walked away from me.

I was just going along with that girl's guidance and if she felt as if we were taking it too far then I would have stopped without a doubt. That was a wrong move on her friend to stop us, I suppose but I can't blame her for looking out for her friend.

[TurdBerglar]

being drunk is not an excuse for bad decisions. to me that's just two strikes against you.

strike one: making a bad decision you foolish shit
strike two: being drunk you foolish shit

this goes for all situations. i hate reading or hearing shit about how people have gotten away with things because they were drunk or high. the fact that they were drunk or high should fucking increase the punishment.

[insertnamehere]

turd are you saying its not rape cause its the girls fault for getting drunk in the first place, or the guys fault for doing a chick when he's drunk? im guessing the first one now that i think about it (in which case i agree). when i first read it i thought you meant the latter.

i've done some dumb shit when i was drunk, and i blame no one but myself.

and eric that's lame, if the girl could voice that she wanted to do you, then i think she was in a clear enough state of mind to do you. i'd be pissed if i were either of you in that situation.

[TurdBerglar]

in any situation it's the drunk person's fault for making a bad decision. being drunk just entensifies the stupidity and fault of the person making the bad dicision.

[Yetra Flam]

lol she sounds like one of my embittered sour bitch crew

[russhie]

andddd, as far as the dressing thing, I think that the point she's trying to make is that there's never an excuse for rape. I mean it happens, and I'm pretty sure that rapists have a lil something wrong up in the coconut anyway, they're obviously missing the inner voice that says, "uhhh, hey, don't rape people", so ladies should take precautions.

Yep, I'd agree with that.

I was speaking out of frustration for my personal situation, I guess. Like I said I'm pretty aware of my appearance, and stuff, so the fact that (mainly) guys are still arseholes about it annoys me.

[-T-]

being drunk is not an excuse for bad decisions. to me that's just two strikes against you.

strike one: making a bad decision you foolish shit
strike two: being drunk you foolish shit

this goes for all situations. i hate reading or hearing shit about how people have gotten away with things because they were drunk or high. the fact that they were drunk or high should fucking increase the punishment.

Yeah your right. You always hear "well they are/were drunk so..." or whatever. I drink seldom but the last time i did I flung pizza on a buddies nice white collard shirt. He did not get really mad. he told me later if I was not drunk he would have been very pissed. In reality he should have hit me. I was a drunk idiot. Little stuff like that always happens not to mention serious things.

When drunk people do something to piss me off i let them know then and the next time I see them.

[insertnamehere]

mmmmmm collards

[Loppfessor]

More good news....I didn't even get in trouble for arguing with the lady. Turns out almost everyone else in the room was thinking the same thing I was just the only one who said. Of course this was one of those things where we are supposed to just shut the fuck up and do what we're told but that's not how I roll..

[ericlee]

and eric that's lame, if the girl could voice that she wanted to do you, then i think she was in a clear enough state of mind to do you. i'd be pissed if i were either of you in that situation.

Pfft, pissed? Man, I had to run into a tree at full speed to get my mind off of her. I almost put in hole into the tree at crotch level. I was 18 and that was like one of the coolest things that's happened to me and then her friend comes and ruining it like a shitbird droppin a load in your eye after you've seen the coolest painting in the world.

I think her friend was just jealous, in my all honesty. Oh well, according to Joel's list, I'm a rapist anyway. "I'll take The Rapist for 500 please".........