OB4CL

[Lex Diamonds]

I think this album is pretty overrated. It's a decent album and better than most rap albums but I don't see why it gets all the acclaim it does. The production is pretty subdued all the way through and there's only 2 or 3 songs that really stand out as great to me. It's not as consistent or well-produced as nearly all of Ghost/Meth/GZA's albums and probably isn't even in my top 5 Wu solo LPs.

I'm not saying it's a bad album, just that it isn't the groundbreaking classic that so many people seem to think it is. What do YOU think?

[roosta]

I think this album is pretty overrated. It's a decent album and better than most rap albums but I don't see why it gets all the acclaim it does.

I dont understand your point at all....do you like rap?

If Cuban Links is BETTER than MOST rap albums that would mean it must be really good and thus worthy of praise, and thus not overrated?

have i missed something?

[Kid Presentable]

You only heard it first last year. When it dropped it was hands down the best rap album of its year (if not a reeeeal close second to Liquid Sqords). People really flipped for it, because nothing had ever sounded like it, and quite so confidently to boot. Plus, when you consider that each new Wu joint was a revelation unto itself with how it evolved their sound, this one was by miles the most bugged out. It's still an amazing album, but if you've got on it late it probably doesn't work the same. Like Supreme Clientele. It's just in a class of its own.

[Lex Diamonds]

I don't see that argument. The best albums are timeless, no matter of who is listening to them, when or where.

And being better than most albums doesn't mean an album has to be heralded as "changing the game" and "best coke rap album" and all these big claims I hear being thrown around about OB4CL. Like I said, it's a good album but it's overrated.

[adam_f]

I hate Raekwon.

[checkyourprez]

not buying the shit your shoveling.

[g-mile7]

And you say Auton doesnt know shit about hip hop? You just contridicted yourself in your own post. If the album influenced a whole genre then how the fuck is it overated? Thats on some 85%er shit...in honor of OB4CL


that being said I love Supreme Clintele, like it better then OB4CL (espeicly 4 the lyricism) but I find myself bumping OB4CL more though.

[adam_f]

Originally posted by g-mile7
Thats on some 85%er shit...in honor of OB4CL

That made no sense.

edit: So I went to urbandictionary because it sounded like a black thing and I get it now.

[Kid Presentable]

I don't see that argument. The best albums are timeless, no matter of who is listening to them, when or where.

And being better than most albums doesn't mean an album has to be heralded as "changing the game" and "best coke rap album" and all these big claims I hear being thrown around about OB4CL. Like I said, it's a good album but it's overrated.

If you say so. You're missing out.

[Lex Diamonds]

If you say so. You're missing out.
I'm not missing out. I still listen to it right through every few weeks, and like I say it's a good album.

Some people need to learn to read properly. I'm not saying it isn't a good album, I'm saying it's overrated. Just like Led Zeppelin or the Beatles or God are overrated. I'm not saying they're not great but they're the subject of a lot of hyperbole.

And LOL @ g-mile riding Auton's jock. Why you gotta bring that into this thread? Stop catching feelings.

[Lyman Zerga]

ob 4 cunt leaks?

[The Notorious LOL]

it kind of spurned a lot of that whole "mafia theme" (for better or worse)....with the exception of maybe G Rap doing it first.

[Auton]

And LOL @ g-mile riding Auton's jock. Why you gotta bring that into this thread? Stop catching feelings.

dude, you were on gmile's jock up to the second he defended me. :rolleyes:

and pick a side already. the problem with your music related posts is that you automatically jump on the other side of the fence or get defensive when people contradict you.

"here's a song i like, lol"
"nah man that song sucks"
"you're right it does"

"man this album is overrated, it's decent with 3 standout tracks here's all my complaints"
"dude you're gay"
"no no no no no i said its a good album i just think maybe its overrated. it's good though, it's good."

why can't you post in here like you post in your jesus thread, where everybody points out how big of an unclever retard you are, and you still stand your ground? your opinions are so easily swayed it's ridiculous. if you think it sucks, say it sucks.. you say i go with the consensus... you're the one who changes your opinion when your shocking, against the grain posturing falls flat on its face.

feel free to rephrase this post into something really clever and awkwardly homoerotic, seems like it's the only kind of retort you can come up with these days. or you can say i suck at producing. or you can make some more angry-teenager posts in the general forum because your girlfriend missed her period again.

[mickill]

You only heard it first last year. When it dropped it was hands down the best rap album of its year (if not a reeeeal close second to Liquid Sqords).
1.Cuban Linx
2.The Infamous
3.Liquid Swords

[Kid Presentable]

Yeah, I always forget Infamous came out that year. For some reason i always think 1994 when I hear it, plus I never listened to it until 1996. Liquid Squids did big things among the skate kids, though. It was plugged heaps in Thrasher and such. Just on the cover art alone, it was the shit.

[Lex Diamonds]

dude, you were on gmile's jock up to the second he defended me. :rolleyes:

and pick a side already. the problem with your music related posts is that you automatically jump on the other side of the fence or get defensive when people contradict you.

"here's a song i like, lol"
"nah man that song sucks"
"you're right it does"

"man this album is overrated, it's decent with 3 standout tracks here's all my complaints"
"dude you're gay"
"no no no no no i said its a good album i just think maybe its overrated. it's good though, it's good."

why can't you post in here like you post in your jesus thread, where everybody points out how big of an unclever retard you are, and you still stand your ground? your opinions are so easily swayed it's ridiculous. if you think it sucks, say it sucks.. you say i go with the consensus... you're the one who changes your opinion when your shocking, against the grain posturing falls flat on its face.

feel free to rephrase this post into something really clever and awkwardly homoerotic, seems like it's the only kind of retort you can come up with these days. or you can say i suck at producing. or you can make some more angry-teenager posts in the general forum because your girlfriend missed her period again.
Seriously man, your opinions don't mean shit to me. You have never said anything of value on this board, and I don't know if I've ever seen evidence that you have a sense of humour. Unless all that shit you just made up was supposed to be funny?

I never changed my views moron. If someone says something I agree with then I will show that I agree with it. I never contradicted myself, if you could read then you would plainly see that.

[Kid Presentable]

Just back to the original point, I think a number of albums are overrated. But in terms of what they're overrated on, it's so subjective man. You might not be impressed by it, but were you going in with a completely open mind? When it dropped it became a classic for its uniqueness, whereas you had the benefit of having heard everything that happened since. With that in mind, personally I don't think a classic album will scream out obviously to listeners (least of all in a fickle and trend-oriented genre like Rap) who are retroactively judging its merits. Some things need the benefit of context, and time is a very evident stamp in hip-hop output.

I heard LTI after PB, and LTI was really only solid to me when I placed it into a historical context. Against Paul's it doesn't compete, but in its own pocket it's insanely good. Yeah, it's insanely good anyway, but it can't be judged on the same merits as something like The Chronic or Ready to Die. You need to consider what it did at the time, and where it subsequently reaches in terms of where you hear the influence as time goes on.

Just my pennies.

[Lex Diamonds]

I appreciate what you're saying, and it's very true that you need to consider things in context, like with old films or books or whatever. I do like the album, as I keep saying, but for me it isn't even the best hip-hop album from that year. Cypress Hill, Big L, Bone Thugs and 2Pac all dropped sick albums in '95. Maybe in time it will grow on me or something but for now I'd rather listen to Liquid Swords or Supreme Clientele or even The Movement.

[mickill]

I don't think it's overrated or underrated. It is what it is. The album gets its deserved credit. But I personally think it's a classic.

It wasn't just that it was highly influential and original; it took a lot of people by surprise. It exceeded expectations. That kinda thing doesn't happen a lot today. I didn't even think Rae or Ghost were all that skilled until they made their marks individually, apart from the group. They'd really stepped it up lyrically/vocally by the time Cuban Linx came out.

Up until then Rae was just known for getting his ass handed to him by Meth on the "torture" skit and on Meth Vs Chef. And I don't think that many people saw him as worthy of coming out with a solo before GZA and Deck either. Most people were a little disappointed with Meth's album, so that kinda left the door open for someone else in the clan to shine. ODB had his little following too. But when Cuban Linx came out, Rae was suddenly considered among the upper echelon of NY emcees at the time, along with dudes like Biggie and Nas.

I think that 36 Chambers and Supreme Clientele are the only other Wu albums that stand up to it. The shit was epic.

[mickill]

Cypress Hill, Big L, Bone Thugs and 2Pac all dropped sick albums in '95.

Okay, there's no way E 1999 Eternal is fucking with Cuban Linx.

And Me Against The World and Temples Of Boom were solid albums, but c'mon. What about Dah Shinin' or Livin Proof (minus vocals) instead.

[Lex Diamonds]

I can't really get into Dah Shinin' although I've only listened to it like three times. I wouldn't neccesarily say it's better but E 1999 Eternal is, to me, more listenable than OB4CL.

And you're right, Livin' Proof would be an awesome album, but for the vocals. I wish Primo would give more beats to people like Royce and Termanology, they have really given him some heat to go with some of his nicest beats for a while.