Vaccination: against or for?

[fucktopgirl]

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=8610554679207090010

to start you should check it out this doc from Australia.

I am not for it, my daughter is * and never been vaccinated and she is fully healthy.

[EN[i]GMA]

This is nonsense.

No reputable study that I know have has ever demonstrated a link between vaccines and these health issues.

Obviously there are some problems, but there are such problems with every medical procedure.

Would you refuse heart surgery just because that puts you at a risk? Would you refuse chemotherapy?

Do you know why your daughter is healthy? BECAUSE EVERYONE ELSE HAS THE VACCINE!

This documentary is, frankly, bullshit. Honest to God, hand on the Bible, I was looking at this video objectively. At first a wrote a vitriolic rant calling you a dumbass for not getting medical aid for your child, but then I reconsidered and realized I was being an asshole, and decided to see if this video really had a good point. I was of course mistaken, because it doesn't. First of all, the fact that rates of death were already going down is not evidence that vaccines didn't help to reduce them further. It proves nothing of the sort at all, it just means that there are other factors, which is obvious. Secondly, rate of death is not the same thing as rate of incidence. Third, even if the benefit of a vaccine is probably small, it's still far greater than the risks associated with it, so it's still a good investment.

"Epidemics in vaccinated populations are a rule." Yeah, at my school kids got struck down with smallpox all the time. Just like yours, right?

Some of the numbers are just lies. She points to a graph and says "the rate of incidence decreases as the rate of birth increases." Look at the graph. That's wrong. The rates go down AT EXACTLY THE SAME RATE.

This is nothing but the inductive fallacy repeated over and over again. "Well, rates of death due to wild animal attacks were going down WAY BEFORE the gun was invented, therefore the gun is not useful in preventing animal attacks!"

Bullshit. Just because the rate was going down before doesn't mean that the method of protection brought in later isn't effective.

I'll tell you right now: vaccines cannot be completely ineffective. If they were, then our entire modern medical system would be broken. This stuff has been studied by brilliant scientists. Look at Jonas Salk and the polio vaccine. Are you telling me that vaccine had NOTHING to do with reduction in polio? Do you know of the science behind this stuff? It's impossible that vaccines could be completely ineffective, if modern biology were true. Absolutely impossible.

"There have been some massive outbreaks after vaccinations." And? There have been massive fires after fire prevention days at factories, does that mean that fire prevention information is useless in stopping fires? Again, another obvious fallacy.

Then she contradicts herself about measles vaccines.

No, there is no evidence that they are counterproductive. At this point in the video no such evidence has been produced.

And the Amish. Wow, talk about desperate. First of all, why would "the Amish" report such a thing? Do "the Amish" hop in their buggies and head down to the ER when they get a cough? Do they keep accurate records? Do they automatically report these things? Does the fact that they all live in rural areas have anything to do with this? Just nonsense.

Another contradiction: she says that vaccinations are only helping to "slow the decline." Earlier she said vaccines are actually CAUSING an increase in incidence. How is this? Well, because they're looking at conflicting data, and trying to have it both ways.

"What is a false positive?" Hahahaha. Hilarious. I really thought she'd having something better than that.

I'm done watching this stuff. Tell me this: if there were an outbreak of measles or polio or smallpox, would you rather be vaccinated for it or not vaccinated for it?

That's the only question that matters.

[fucktopgirl]

GMA;1525115']This is nonsense.

I think that injecting foreign biological and potentially life threatening shit in your own blood stream is a nonsense.

No reputable study that I know have has ever demonstrated a link between vaccines and these health issues.


Of course they will be no OFFICIAL study about this, that would mean that for over 200 years, the government was mistaken. But mind you, there is thousand of research around the world, underground you may call them, with real doctor that go forward to tell the risks of vaccination. Not something that the official health department of your country is doing .


Would you refuse heart surgery just because that puts you at a risk? Would you refuse chemotherapy?


Not the same thing here, when you have a heart surgery or chemo, you are, obviously sick with something bad. ON the contrary, vaccination occur for prevention, and sometime it is not needed. Like child illness, children need to have those to strengthen their immune system. They are not there just for the hell of it. But they do vaccine for them and what for? And with mercury in it ''thimerosal [a mercury-containing preservative]''. Right , that is very preventive to injected a 3 weeks old baby with dose of mercury . OK. What else they put in there?

Do you know why your daughter is healthy? BECAUSE EVERYONE ELSE HAS THE VACCINE!


Just bullshit, can you back this claim with something ? Everyone else has the vaccination and cancer and immune disease have sky rocket since the mass inoculation. Since the 1940. Before that no cancer in children, since then it is a common thing.

This documentary is, frankly, bullshit. Honest to God, hand on the Bible

Talk about bullshit he?

Third, even if the benefit of a vaccine is probably small, it's still far greater than the risks associated with it, so it's still a good investment.

I don't know about that, i would not go forward with a procedure with lethal consequence on my child , for prevention , nope. I prefer to have an healthy diet and fortified mu child immune system this way.

"Epidemics in vaccinated populations are a rule." Yeah, at my school kids got struck down with smallpox all the time. Just like yours, right?


This mean that when they do mass inoculation, the spread of the disease is greater then before, weird .


This is nothing but the inductive fallacy repeated over and over again. "Well, rates of death due to wild animal attacks were going down WAY BEFORE the gun was invented, therefore the gun is not useful in preventing animal attacks!"

poor analogy.




Bullshit. Just because the rate was going down before doesn't mean that the method of protection brought in later isn't effective.

If you take the japanese example, although we don't have the proper number, so one could argue that it is BULLSHit, morbidity in infant was hight when the vaccination was obligatory at 3 , then they make it obligatory at like 6 or something. They clearly see a correlation between the age of the vaccine and the death and illness of those children. SO when the vaccine was at 6 years old, children of 3 where less sicker. humm..


[QUOTE]
I'll tell you right now: vaccines cannot be completely ineffective. If they were, then our entire modern medical system would be broken.

WEll, this would not be the first thing that it is fucked in our society, right?

Look at the way the international relations are handle, Otan , that is suppose to be a pacifist organization to help resolve conflict in other country. YEa and that why they bombs Kosovo. Well that is fucked so i would not be surprise that vaccination are fucked too.



"There have been some massive outbreaks after vaccinations." And? There have been massive fires after fire prevention days at factories, does that mean that fire prevention information is useless in stopping fires? Again, another obvious fallacy.

poor analogy , once again.




And the Amish. Wow, talk about desperate. First of all, why would "the Amish" report such a thing? Do "the Amish" hop in their buggies and head down to the ER when they get a cough? Do they keep accurate records? Do they automatically report these things? Does the fact that they all live in rural areas have anything to do with this? Just nonsense.

The example of the Amish was to show that they are not a sick population and yet they do not get the vaccination required by the State and never suffer any outbreak of diseases.



Tell me this: if there were an outbreak of measles or polio or smallpox, would you rather be vaccinated for it or not vaccinated for it?


I would not because measles is a child illness, normal to get. BY the way, i have been vaccinated for it when younger and i still contracted it...

That's the only question that matters.

NO the only question that matter is that will people, parent , will investigate before getting the shots, does parent investigate or are they blindly believing in the system?

Immune system disease are higher then ever before. It is due to our stupid lifestyle and diet, for sure. But , some suspect that vaccination was not of any help in this particular situation. Because there is a correlation with immune system outbreak and mass vaccination.


ONce again, it is important to keep in mind that it is a mighty business, lots of $$$$$$$$. MAss inoculation mean lots of profit. Are they really doing it because they CARE for the health of the people? Something to think about.

[Helvete]

Science wins. Listen to it. You think those horrible diseases that plagued the world a few decades ago just disappeared by themselves? Nope. Are you saying you'd rather have them still floating about?

Before that no cancer in children, since then it is a commun thing. Maybe some correlation there.. Anyway, prove it to me with some scientific research.

Yeah, sure, maybe some correlation. But you could say that about ANYTHING. Oh look, kids eat junk food now, CANCER! Kids watch lots of TV, CANCER! Kids not working down the mines and in factories anymore, CANCER!

[fucktopgirl]

^Science is no GOD but that the assumption that people make, Medicine and science can make no mistake , well fuck that.

What i am saying is that vaccination is a risky thing contrary to what the health department are saying. So think twice before doing it. And if you still want to do it then if something happen, at least you would have been inform.

[Lyman Zerga]

i dont have an opinion to be honest

[Planetary]

i had vaccinations and look at me (y)

[Lyman Zerga]

:(

[Planetary]

:(

lmfao you're the most hilariou slut i've ever met!

[Lyman Zerga]

make sure paddy doesnt read this

[mikizee]

Vaccination has been for the good of mankind.

End of fucking story.

I sure will be getting my kids vaccinated. Anyone who doesn't are fucking idiots.

[fucktopgirl]

http://www.mercola.com/2004/sep/22/blaylock_vaccine_coverup.htm

Interesting article on the subject.


^ calling people idiot because they don't vaccinated is a bit rude.
I don't call you a RETARD because you will get your futures kids vaccinated without checking and investigating at first!!

[Lyman Zerga]

my mum doesnt want me to get an anti tick vaccination cause she thinks it causes more harm then the ticks itself

im pretty much shitting my pants anytime i have to walk through the greens

[fucktopgirl]

^ he, tick don't jump on you every time you walk in the wood, and there is particular place and time of the year when they are more prominent.

I walk in the the wood a lot back in BC, never had one on me. David had one, one time. WE take it out.

This is the thing, there is vaccination for everything, like chicken pox. When i was young, it was normal and good to have it. 2 years ago, when i was living in Creston, there was a vaccination campaign at ALix school for chicken pox, wtf..

[Lyman Zerga]

no, here they are everywhere

on tv you see how the tick researchers wipe a net over some grass and then there are like hundreds ticks that stuck on it in secs


i once almost died from a meningitis (didnt get it from a tick though) i seriously dont need that shit again

the only things that need to die harder than the homo polar bears are those shit nasty lil bastards (called frenchies LOL)

[Planetary]

make sure paddy doesnt read this

suck my balls

[Lyman Zerga]

suck my balls

make sure paddy doesnt need these

[Planetary]

make sure paddy doesnt need these

need what? my balls? i don't get it. nice one dingleberry breath

[ms.peachy]

I've said it before and I'll say it again: anybody who lives in a mostly white, generally wealthy part of the world who thinks kids don't need vaccines should go to a mostly brown, generally poor part of the world and spend some time with some parents who are literally watching their children die of easily preventable diseases.

[EN[i]GMA]

I think that injecting foreign biological and potentially life threatening shit in your own blood stream is a nonsense.


Vaccines have never caused me any problems, and all I have to go on is what I know.


Of course they will be no OFFICIAL study about this, that would mean that for over 200 years, the government was mistaken. But mind you, there is thousand of research around the world, underground you may call them, with real doctor that go forward to tell the risks of vaccination. Not something that the official health department of your country is doing .

Why would the health department of the country pretend that vaccines helped if they really didn't?

What's the motivation behind this insane conspiracy theory?

Reputable, mainstream scientists WHO AREN'T THE GOVERNMENT do research on this issue ALL THE TIME.

Why do you think vaccines even EXIST? Because some time ago SCIENTIFIC STUDIES DEMONSTRATED that vaccines were effective. What do you think happened? "Let's inject people with this stuff for the hell of it, just to fuck with them?"


Not the same thing here, when you have a heart surgery or chemo, you are, obviously sick with something bad. ON the contrary, vaccination occur for prevention, and sometime it is not needed. Like child illness, children need to have those to strengthen their immune system.

So if children need to have illnesses, and vaccines make you ill, then what's the problem?

They are not there just for the hell of it. But they do vaccine for them and what for? And with mercury in it ''thimerosal [a mercury-containing preservative]''. Right , that is very preventive to injected a 3 weeks old baby with dose of mercury . OK. What else they put in there?

They don't even use "thimerosal" anymore in most vaccines. Get you facts straight.

"What else do they put in there?" Look it up yourself, if you don't know.


Just bullshit, can you back this claim with something ? Everyone else has the vaccination and cancer and immune disease have sky rocket since the mass inoculation. Since the 1940. Before that no cancer in children, since then it is a common thing.

That's hilarious.


I don't know about that, i would not go forward with a procedure with lethal consequence on my child , for prevention , nope. I prefer to have an healthy diet and fortified mu child immune system this way.

So you prefer to play pretend, that is, pretend that your child's immune system can stop smallpox.

It can't.


This mean that when they do mass inoculation, the spread of the disease is greater then before, weird .

The problem is that it's false.


poor analogy.

Wrong.


If you take the japanese example, although we don't have the proper number, so one could argue that it is BULLSHit, morbidity in infant was hight when the vaccination was obligatory at 3 , then they make it obligatory at like 6 or something. They clearly see a correlation between the age of the vaccine and the death and illness of those children. SO when the vaccine was at 6 years old, children of 3 where less sicker. humm..

I can't make sense of this, or see how it relates to what I said...



WEll, this would not be the first thing that it is fucked in our society, right?

Look at the way the international relations are handle, Otan , that is suppose to be a pacifist organization to help resolve conflict in other country. YEa and that why they bombs Kosovo. Well that is fucked so i would not be surprise that vaccination are fucked too.

None has any motivation to give you "fucked up" vaccines.


poor analogy , once again.

Wrong, once again.



The example of the Amish was to show that they are not a sick population and yet they do not get the vaccination required by the State and never suffer any outbreak of diseases.

"Never"? I have no idea how many outbreaks the Amish suffer each year AND NEITHER DO YOU. So stop fucking lying.


I would not because measles is a child illness, normal to get. BY the way, i have been vaccinated for it when younger and i still contracted it...

Vaccines also reduce severity.


NO the only question that matter is that will people, parent , will investigate before getting the shots, does parent investigate or are they blindly believing in the system?

Are you a doctor?


Immune system disease are higher then ever before. It is due to our stupid lifestyle and diet, for sure.

Oh, and not vaccines?

But , some suspect that vaccination was not of any help in this particular situation. Because there is a correlation with immune system outbreak and mass vaccination.

Correlation is not causation.

And this is false. Polio incidence has gone down since the introduction of the vaccine. This is not debatable. At all.


ONce again, it is important to keep in mind that it is a mighty business, lots of $$$$$$$$. MAss inoculation mean lots of profit. Are they really doing it because they CARE for the health of the people? Something to think about.

No, it's nothing to think about because it's another one of your insane conspiracy theories.

It'd be one thing if you had real proof of this stuff, but you don't.

[Lyman Zerga]

need what? my balls? i don't get it. nice one dingleberry breath

whatever hilariou slut, go and sawk my bawls, LAWLZ (y)



see i can do you and paddy in one post
thats called multitaltented.

[milleson]

So what about dogs and rabies vaccinations? I'm sure that's all a big scam, too. Right?

[Bob]

GMA;1525221']
No, it's nothing to think about because it's another one of your insane conspiracy theories.

It'd be one thing if you had real proof of this stuff, but you don't.

but...google video said...

[fucktopgirl]

All i am saying here is that some vaccination are unnecessary and that some are harmful.

AS for the polio disappearance, there is an outbreak in Africa and that since they start to do massive inoculation.

AS for the thimerosal, i will refer you to my post # 12. Plenty of information there on the subject. A important manuscript about a reunion with the specialist'' vaccinologists'' of the world , talking about this issue. It is analyze and critic by a doctor.

Worth the reading.

And Milleson, i am not necessary talking about a big scam here but people should think twice and read on the matter before taking any decision. flu shot and infantile illness should not be threat with vaccination, i think , parents should allow their kids to have them, I know it sound weird to let your kids catch an illness but it build their immune system and down the road they are more strong to cold and any other virus that come along. There is some untold shit on the matter, like side effect and this should be clear at first when parent go to give their child the shot.

I am not saying that vaccination is ALL wrong BUT some shit that they put in their shot are not always safe. And to injected your kiddo of 3 weeks with that, i think it is a bit insane at one extent.

[ms.peachy]

17 July, 2007:
Measles has broken out just as the doctor behind the MMR vaccine scare faces charges of serious misconduct.

More than 30 children have gone down with the potentially deadly virus in north and east London since May.

At least 13 cases have been reported in Hackney in the past week.

The virus was common before widespread vaccination in the Sixties brought it under control.

But a worldwide scare over the safety of the triple measles, mumps and rubella jab led to a drop in vaccination rates, with some areas of London falling to almost 50 per cent. Last year England saw its biggest measles outbreak in 20 years, with more than 730 cases reported. Doctors recorded more than 270 cases in London alone.

A 13-year-old boy in Greater Manchester last year became the first person in Britain to die from measles in 14 years.

Today's new alert comes only a day after Dr Andrew Wakefield and two former colleagues were accused by the General Medical Council of misleading the public. The doctor suggested a link between autism and MMR in February 1998.

Dozens of studies have discredited his theory and he is accused of a string of serious allegations, including paying children at his son's birthday party £5 for blood samples, but the effects of the MMR panic are still being felt.

Last night Dr Michael Fitzpatrick, a GP in Stoke Newington and protester against Wakefield's theory, discovered a 16-month-old boy with measles.

The local primary care trust has also issued an alert to schools and family doctors.

A joint letter from City and Hackney PCT and the Health Protection Agency states: "Measles is a highly infectious illness. Children are usually quite ill and in some circumstances there are complications such as pneumonia and encephalitis."

The HPA warned that babies younger than one are vulnerable if older siblings have not had both doses of MMR. It is administered after 12 months and before going to school.

Dr Fitzpatrick said: "It is very rare to see a case of measles now, I could not believe it when I saw the rash. Most young doctors would never have seen it. This shows that uptake still is not high enough. This could all be avoided."

Vaccination rates fell to 70 per cent in Hackney over fears that the jab could lead to autism.

The rate is now creeping back to the national average of 85 per cent. But doctors say at least 95 per cent need to be vaccinated to achieve "herd immunity" which will protect against an outbreak.

Doctors are now urging parents to make sure their children are vaccinated. Symptoms can include a cough, red and painful eyes and loss of appetite. A rash tends to follow three or four days after these symptoms appear.

So, people stop getting their kids vaccinated because of bogus studies, and a few years down the line, there's an outbreak of highly infectious disease. Coincidence?

[fucktopgirl]

http://www.answers.com/topic/the-truth-about-vaccination-and-immunization-part-1


''Smallpox occurs for the most part in people whose vitality is low, the composition of whose blood is abnormal and in whom there is an accumulation of morbid matter. In the nineties of the last century it was found in London and other great towns that smallpox occurred chiefly amongst the inhabitants of common lodging-houses, tramp wards, and Salvation Army shelters. Formerly it was the scourge of dwellers in insanitary slums, where there was no provision of pure water, where the overcrowding was intense, and where dirt and filth were everywhere.

In 1853 Lord Shaftesbury, speaking in support of the Vaccination Bill, said:

It is perfectly sure that smallpox is chiefly confined to the lowest classes of the population, and I believe that, with improved lodging houses, the disease might be all but exterminated.

It is true that people living in less insanitary conditions have contracted smallpox, and such cases have been attributed to infection or contagion. Just as a match applied to a train of gunpowder starts an explosion, so the poison emitted from a smallpox patient may set light to the accumulation of waste matter in an apparently -healthy and clean individual.

Smallpox is found to-day chiefly in India, North and West Africa, China and Japan.''

For the most part third world countries.



''When England was most vaccinated, it not only had the greatest amount of smallpox, but most of its smallpox cases in those days occurred amongst the vaccinated.''

''The statistics of the Highgate Smallpox Hospital show that in 1871, 91.5 per cent. of their cases had been vaccinated, and in 1881, out of a total of 491 cases, 470, or nearly 96 per cent., had been vaccinated. The Lancet for 23 February 1884, gives the facts about an outbreak in Sunderland, where there were just 100 cases, and 96 of them had been vaccinated. On 27 August 1881, that journal published an account of an outbreak at Bromley, where 43 cases occurred, every one of them vaccinated.''

LIke in africa now, there is an outbreak of polio but there is a massive inoculation campaign. Are these two are somewhat related? BUt of course not.

[Lyman Zerga]

first i need to know how useful or risky vaccinations really are to the body before i can make my mind up

but for now i prefer staying an ignorant cunt and just say i feel safer when you pump me up with that shit but for my kids ill make sure to inform myself some better

[Bob]

first i need to know how useful or risky vaccinations really are to the body before i can make my mind up

but for now i prefer staying an ignorant cunt and just say i feel safer when you pump me up with that shit but for my kids ill make sure to inform myself some better

here, let me show you this myspace bulletin that will really open your eyes

[Lyman Zerga]

here, let me show you this myspace bulletin that will really open your eyes

im not falling for this naughty trick again :(

[ms.peachy]

''The statistics of the Highgate Smallpox Hospital show that in 1871, 91.5 per cent. of their cases had been vaccinated, and in 1881, out of a total of 491 cases, 470, or nearly 96 per cent., had been vaccinated.

You are so right, these statistics are absolutely relevant, what with the studies of virology and immunology having made barely any new discoveries or having access to any new technologies in the last 130 years.:rolleyes:

[fucktopgirl]

here, let me show you this myspace bulletin that will really open your eyes

yea , the info i am posting to backing up my opinion are from there, you should read it( my link) instead of staying ignorant...

[fucktopgirl]

You are so right, these statistics are absolutely relevant, what with the studies of virology and immunology having made barely any new discoveries or having access to any new technologies in the last 130 years.:rolleyes:

So history is no good then, right....people observation back then are useless he?

[fucktopgirl]

http://www.answers.com/topic/the-truth-about-vaccination-and-immunization-part-2

for the ones who will read the first part, here the second one.

[ms.peachy]

So history is no good then, right....people observation back then are useless he?

Um, in this case, YES, people observation back then are in fact worthless when analysing the efficacy of vaccination programs TODAY, he.

[Lyman Zerga]

yea , the info i am posting to backing up my opinion are from there, you shoudl read it instead of staying ignorant...

yeah bob dont be ignorant, it's starting to piss us off

[fucktopgirl]

Um, in this case, YES, people observation back then are in fact worthless when analysing the efficacy of vaccination programs TODAY, he.

hahaha, well you are in the field eating grass. Comprehending history is really important. Understanding how all this begin is really , really important. The data in the past are not something somebody can close their eyes on to be truly objective on the issue.

[Bob]

early surgery techiniques were often crude and ineffective: doctors in the medieval ages would often use leeches and bloodletting to try to remove the bad blood causing sickness in their patients. in even earlier days, people would bash holes into each others heads so that the evil spirits causing the affliction might escape.

would you send YOUR child to a surgeon? do some research, folks

[ms.peachy]

hahaha, well you are in the field eating grass. Comprehending history is really important. Understanding how all this begin is really , really important. The data in the past are not something somebody can close their eyes on to be truly objective on the issue.

Oh good lord. I give up. Yes, as usual, you are the only person who has given this any real thought, everyone else is just a bunch of ignorant sheep. Clearly.

[ms.peachy]

early surgery techiniques were often crude and ineffective: doctors in the medieval ages would often use leeches and bloodletting to try to remove the bad blood causing sickness in their patients. in even earlier days, people would bash holes into each others heads so that the evil spirits causing the affliction might escape.

would you send YOUR child to a surgeon? do some research, folks

Well observed. Nicely done, Bob (y)

[fucktopgirl]

Oh good lord. I give up. Yes, as usual, you are the only person who has given this any real thought, everyone else is just a bunch of ignorant sheep. Clearly.

Why are you putting everyone else in this when i was talking to you and your response ? Just to bring me down? NIce, you can be the queen of that for sure.

Anyway, You clearly said that history does not count which is fairly stupid.
Denigrating what people recorded on the 1800 , which seem to be objective data is silly. Just because it does not fit in your system of belief.


weak mind

[ms.peachy]

Why are you putting everyone else in this when i was talking to you and your response ? Just to bring me down? NIce, you can be the queen of that for sure.
Great, get me my fucking crown.
Anyway, You clearly said that history does not count which is fairly stupid.
Denigrating what people recorded on the 1800 , which seem to be objective data is silly. Just because it does not fit in your system of belief.
Yes, that is clearly what I said. No one should ever pay any attention to history, ever. That is exactly what I said.

weak mind

froot loop

[Planetary]

whatever hilariou slut, go and sawk my bawls, LAWLZ (y)



see i can do you and paddy in one post
thats called multitaltented.

wrong, it's called 'you're a dork'

[Lyman Zerga]

wrong, it's called 'you're a dork'

who cares
youre one page too late anyway, chicken thong

[fucktopgirl]

Great, get me my fucking crown.
There, putting it up your arse now.

Yes, that is clearly what I said. No one should ever pay any attention to history, ever. That is exactly what I said.


oh ok, history can be disregard only on this issue.


froot loop



flute loop

[Planetary]

chicken thong

:)(y)

[ericg]

This following list of common vaccines and their ingredients should shock anyone. Vaccinations have also been linked to developmental disabilities ie autism.

The numbers of microbes, antibiotics, chemicals, heavy metals and animal byproducts is staggering. Would you knowingly inject these materials into your children?

Acel-Immune DTaP - Diphtheria-Tetanus-Pertussis Wyeth-Ayerst 800.934.5556
* diphtheria and tetanus toxoids and acellular pertussis adsorbed, formaldehyde, aluminum hydroxide, aluminum phosphate, thimerosal, and polysorbate 80 (Tween-80) gelatin Act HIB

Haemophilus - Influenza B Connaught Laboratories 800.822.2463
* Haemophilus influenza Type B, polyribosylribitol phosphate ammonium sulfate, formalin, and sucrose

Attenuvax - Measles Merck & Co., Inc. 800-672-6372
* measles live virus neomycin sorbitol hydrolized gelatin, chick embryo

Biavax - Rubella Merck & Co., Inc. 800-672-6372
* rubella live virus neomycin sorbitol hydrolized gelatin, human diploid cells from aborted fetal tissue

BioThrax - Anthrax Adsorbed BioPort Corporation 517.327.1500
* nonencapsulated strain of Bacillus anthracis aluminum hydroxide, benzethonium chloride, and formaldehyde

DPT - Diphtheria-Tetanus-Pertussis GlaxoSmithKline 800.366.8900 x5231
* diphtheria and tetanus toxoids and acellular pertussis adsorbed, formaldehyde, aluminum phosphate, ammonium sulfate, and thimerosal, washed sheep RBCs

Dryvax - Smallpox (not licensed d/t expiration) Wyeth-Ayerst 800.934.5556
* live vaccinia virus, with "some microbial contaminants," according to the Working Group on Civilian Biodefense polymyxcin B sulfate, streptomycin sulfate, chlortetracycline hydrochloride, and neomycin sulfate glycerin, and phenol -a compound obtained by distillation of coal tar vesicle fluid from calf skins Engerix-B

Recombinant Hepatitis B GlaxoSmithKline 800.366.8900 x5231
* genetic sequence of the hepatitis B virus that codes for the surface antigen (HbSAg), cloned into GMO yeast, aluminum hydroxide, and thimerosal

Fluvirin Medeva Pharmaceuticals 888.MEDEVA 716.274.5300
* influenza virus, neomycin, polymyxin, beta-propiolactone, chick embryonic fluid

<DT>FluShield Wyeth-Ayerst 800.934.5556
<DT>* trivalent influenza virus, types A&B gentamicin sulphate formadehyde, thimerosal, and polysorbate 80 (Tween-80) chick embryonic fluid
<DT>
<DT>Havrix - Hepatitis A GlaxoSmithKline 800.366.8900 x5231
<DT>* hepatitis A virus, formalin, aluminum hydroxide, 2-phenoxyethanol, and polysorbate 20 residual MRC5 proteins -human diploid cells from aborted fetal tissue
<DT>
<DT>HiB Titer - Haemophilus Influenza B Wyeth-Ayerst 800.934.5556
<DT>* haemophilus influenza B, polyribosylribitol phosphate, yeast, ammonium sulfate, thimerosal, and chemically defined yeast-based medium
<DT>
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[Bob]

It is believed that vaccinations have caused autism.



LOL

"it is believed", oh well, that changes everything

[cosmo105]

the only evidence for that is anecdotal. lolz science

[Bob]

the only evidence for that is anecdotal. lolz science

yeah, and all of it comes from autistic people. i don't trust them

[Schmeltz]

AS for the polio disappearance, there is an outbreak in Africa and that since they start to do massive inoculation.

Your thinking on this is completely backwards. If you had done even a minimal amount of research (like the four minutes I just devoted to it) you would have discovered that the current outbreak of polio in Africa began a couple of years ago when conservative religious leaders in northern Nigeria called for a boycott of oral polio vaccine. Outbreaks of a strain of polio genetically identical to the strain in northern Nigeria subsequently occurred in no less than a dozen nations neighbouring Nigeria that had formerly been polio free - as this article (http://bentham.org/cds/samples/cds1-1/Clements.pdf) puts it, "Nigeria had become a net exporter of polio virus to its African neighbours." And all because a few irresponsible people in positions of authority got on board the anti-vaccine train.

So as you see, or would see if you bothered to look some credible information, the problem is not with polio vaccine. The problem is with ignorant and poorly informed people who think vaccines are evil and decide not to give them to their kids. And this attitude is costing people their lives.

I can understand people in the Third World being suspicious of Western medecine on superstitious or xenophobic grounds. But for an educated person in the West to adopt this kind of ridiculous notion... Jesus.

[ms.peachy]

Vaccinations have also been linked to developmental disabilities ie autism.


Please provide one single actual piece of credible, peer-reviewed, authenticated research that establishes a clear link between vaccinations and autism. Just one.

[Lex Diamonds]

whatever hilariou slut, go and sawk my bawls, LAWLZ (y)



see i can do you and paddy in one post
thats called multitaltented.
What are you talking about? Stop being an internet slag and go outside.

[fucktopgirl]

for sure Schmeltz, the outbreak in Africa is due to the fact that some people did not wanted to get the vaccination. It has nothing to do with the fact that Africa is a pooor country and people are malnourished(203 millions ). Nor nothing to do with the reason that the inoculation on weak and unhealthy humans is like dooming them. Because their immune system is already weak. Dammit they died because they have a runny nose, almost. The oral polio is very easy communicable, people can catch it. IN my reading, they explicitly said that when out break of a certain illness was occurring , the % of death was higher in the vaccinated then in the non vaccinated( about 60-95% of the time). That should not be the case. Now death in this particular situation occur, in both camp. The worst outbreak, as much as 5 times more then the outbreak in 2004. Yea, that right, in 2004 there was also an polio outbreak, they did continue to vaccinated people. What years are we? 2007 , ok, 3 years later, still an epidemic situation. hummm... So the reason of the outbreak is what already?


Anyway, to be against vaccination is like back in the day and being called of heresy. Modern medicine do some mistake at time, and vaccination could be one, i said could be one. All that i am saying here on this subject is that, vaccination is not just all flowers and hearts. Or whatever the proper expression is. If you guys just had take the time to read my link without disregard them by pure reflex , you would maybe have learn that some component are harmful to human and yet they(vaccinologist) put it in the vaccine. That make me think twice about the real benefit of this practice. And the way this conference was held, well obviously those doctors had concern for their child's or gran child about the mercury and aluminium in some vaccin but for the population, it was ok.

I would not say that vaccination is ALL wrong but.. from what i read and study. The real benefits are not all that clear. Also one have to keep in mind that this field, pharmaceutical business and drugs, is the most prosperous in the world. So, to rethink this business is not an option. And if you check the vaccine nowadays, one exist for almost anything even illness that, when we were younger, was OK to catch. So , that, once again , make me think twice about inoculation.


AS for evidence of autism, statistics http://www.autism-society.org/site/PageServer?pagename=FactsStats, clearly show an increase. And if it is, like some doctors say, genetic, it would not have skyrocket in the last 17 years or so. So what else did happen here?

Anyway...it make me think.

[ms.peachy]

And if it is, like some doctors say, genetic, it would not have skyrocket in the last 17 years or so. So what else did happen here?


Increased awareness of autistic spectrum disorders and better diagnostic techniques. There is no evidence that there are actually any more or less individuals with autism now than there were, say, 200 years ago, but it is likely that now doctors know how to recognise it, and have options for recommended therapies. The rates appear to have 'skyrocketed' because there are coordinated attempts to report and treat it, whereas in the past parents would simply be told that their profoundly autistic children were retarded and should be institutionalised, and those children with high-functioning forms would never be formally diagnosed at all, they would just be left to get on with it.

[Bob]

Please provide one single actual piece of credible, peer-reviewed, authenticated research that establishes a clear link between vaccinations and autism. Just one.

but peachy, it is believed, isn't that enough? stop being such a static suckerhead who needs all this "proof" all the time, don't buy into the lies

[Lyman Zerga]

What are you talking about? Stop being an internet slag and go outside.

i did you
whats so new about that?


p.s. idiot

[fucktopgirl]

Increased awareness of autistic spectrum disorders and better diagnostic techniques. There is no evidence that there are actually any more or less individuals with autism now than there were, say, 200 years ago, but it is likely that now doctors know how to recognise it, and have options for recommended therapies. The rates appear to have 'skyrocketed' because there are coordinated attempts to report and treat it, whereas in the past parents would simply be told that their profoundly autistic children were retarded and should be institutionalised, and those children with high-functioning forms would never be formally diagnosed at all, they would just be left to get on with it.

It is one theory. Statistics show an increase in the last 17 years, we are not talking about 200 years ago but even if you want to go back in time, autism was being recognize in the mid 1900.

So,the other theory is that autism may, in fact, have increase and lot of study made by doctor link it to some component in the vaccin.

[Bob]

increases in vaccination rates coincide with the occurrence of 9/11

it is highly probable that hitler was vaccinated

there has an increase in the rates of violent crime and drug abuse since the introduction of vaccination

[fucktopgirl]

^ BOB, your sense of analyze is the keenest of them all...

[Bob]

am i wrong??

[ms.peachy]

lot of study made by doctor link it to some component in the vaccin.

Like I said, find one. Just one.

[fucktopgirl]

nope, you totally nail it!

Good job, well, one thing missing here, all this is orchestrated by the aliens.

Other then that , fairly accurate.(y)

[fucktopgirl]

Like I said, find one. Just one.

the mercury

[ms.peachy]

the mercury

I repeat: Please provide one single actual piece of credible, peer-reviewed, authenticated research that establishes a clear link between vaccinations and autism. Just one.

[fucktopgirl]

you can read the link i post below , you can satisfy a bit your thirst. AS for getting an actual official government study that clearly show the correlation, i will have to dig a lot. All that i can find is real doctor who are welll established , that state that vaccination can be harmful, for kiddo of 3 week, for example. All that is base on their experience, research and data, that only they can have access. I am not a doctor, therefore, it is hard for me to get the statistics.

Anyway, the major issue here is that the brain of a child will have the major development between the last 3month in the mom belly and 2 years old(something like that anyway). So injecting metal like mercury or aluminium will be stuck and accumulate in the brain child. And Because vaccination required more then one shot, it is a fairly hight degree of those that will invade the body. Those goes where there is fat in the body, brain contain lot of fat. That why they are concerned and think there is a causal-effect link between the two.

but no matter what proof i will bring, it will be in vain because, you don't think there is any danger in vaccination.

anyway, i got a shitload of homework to do, i be back later .

[Schmeltz]

So the reason of the outbreak is what already?

I gave you a link to a peer-reviewed medical study that established that the reason the outbreak occurred is because people weren't vaccinating their children against polio because of superstition and ignorance. You came back with nothing but bullshit. The major issue here is not that infants are being exposed to heavy metals in some vaccines (there is plenty more aluminum in the food they will eat over the course of their lives than will ever be present in their basic vaccines), the major issue is that some people, yourself included, will take as gospel any silly crap they can find on the internet, and pretend that it makes them well-informed and decisive individuals when it actually just exposes their inability to think clearly.

I hope your poor thought process doesn't cost your child her health, or yield the same catastrophic results that have taken place in Africa, and could have been so easily avoided.

[fucktopgirl]

[QUOTE=Schmeltz;1525558]I gave you a link to a peer-reviewed medical study that established that the reason the outbreak occurred is because people weren't vaccinating their children against polio because of superstition and ignorance.

Since 1977 they do massive vaccination campaign there and yet, the problem still exist in 2007.

You came back with nothing but bullshit.

i will say the same thing for you

The major issue here is not that infants are being exposed to heavy metals in some vaccines (there is plenty more aluminum in the food they will eat over the course of their lives than will ever be present in their basic vaccines),

yet it is ONE of the issue. That foreign shit are introduce into the blood stream without really knowing he real long term consequence. But we are, indeed, human guinea pigs.



the major issue is that some people, yourself included, will take as gospel any silly crap they can find on the internet, and pretend that it makes them well-informed and decisive individuals when it actually just exposes their inability to think clearly.

Silly crap they find on the internet..look who talking now, Why YOUR source would be better then the ones i find on the net. Oh, because you are right and i am wrong, of course.

I hope your poor thought process doesn't cost your child her health, or yield the same catastrophic results that have taken place in Africa, and could have been so easily avoided.

hahahahaha, thank , again, to attack me when i just try to debate about the issue. I an wondering who is having a though process difficulty. Other then refuting my arguments with wind, you don't bring anything to the table.

VAccination is good. point. he?

yea....Africa

''The steady disappearance of polio is the result of social and political commitment by national governments and the international community. By late 1998, 118 countries had conducted at least one round of National Immunization Days (NIDs), during which all children under five were administered two doses of Oral Polio Vaccine (OPV) one month apart -- compared with only 21 countries a decade earlier. In 1997, 450 million children -- about two-thirds of the world's under-five population -- were immunized during large campaigns in 80 countries.''


''If all goes well, the final case of poliovirus outside the laboratory setting will probably be identified in 2000 or 2001, and the world will achieve official "polio-free" status at the earliest by 2005.''


So a lot of countries have been vaccinated back then, we are in 2007 , outbreak in Africa. MAn , that is one tough disease. So how many time will they need to do massive inoculation world wide until the world is free if this shit? how many more 350 millions $ will they need?

''From that point on, countries will begin to realize the tremendous benefits from no longer having to immunize infants or to treat or rehabilitate people affected by polio-saving an estimated $1.5 billion per year. Western Europe alone will save about $200 million annually, and the United States will save about $230 million-twice as much as it will need to spend per year on global polio eradication in the near future.''


hahaha , nothing to do with the $$$$

http://www.who.int/inf-pr-2000/en/ma2000-11.html
http://www.who.int/inf-pr-2001/en/note2001-11.html
http://www.who.int/mediacentre/news/releases/pr86/en/index.html
http://www.europaworld.org/week150/unlaunches241003.htm
http://www.cbc.ca/health/story/2004/10/08/polio_Africa041008.html
http://usinfo.state.gov/xarchives/display.html?p=washfile-english&y=2005&m=February&x=20050225130001cmretrop7.616824e-02
http://www.un.org/radio/story.asp?NewsID=3369

THis is massive launch inoculation campaign against polio in Africa from 2000- 2006.

http://www.acdi-cida.gc.ca/CIDAWEB/acdicida.nsf/En/JER-330165321-TNW
By my government in 2002

''The Honourable Susan Whelan, Minister for International Cooperation, today announced that Canada will contribute $20 MILLIONS to help eradicate polio in Nigeria. She made the announcement in Abuja following a meeting with Nigerian President Olusegun Obasanjo. Minister Whelan is in Nigeria to attend the Second High-Level Group Meeting on Education for All.

"Polio mainly affects children under the age of three. A few drops of a powerful vaccine will protect a child for life," Minister Whelan said. "Today's contribution will benefit some 30 million children and add to Canada's earlier support for polio eradication in Nigeria, which began in April 2000."

We are in 2007, still an outbreak, humm well that weird. If vaccination is so effective , how come they still have that problem ?

So how many millions so far have been put in that campaign?

[Schmeltz]

If vaccination is so effective , how come they still have that problem ?


I TOLD YOU ALREADY. The reason the vaccine has not been effective in eradicating polio is because PEOPLE ARE DELIBERATELY CHOOSING NOT TO GET THE VACCINE. Vaccines don't work if people consciously choose not to receive them, and my link, to a peer-reviewed study in a medical journal, which is much, much more substantial than anything you have posted, demonstrates exactly that, and shows exactly why your attitude is so ignorant.

Jesus, you're just not listening to what people are telling you. Is it a language thing?

[Bob]

aagggghhhhh

[fucktopgirl]

I TOLD YOU ALREADY. The reason the vaccine has not been effective in eradicating polio is because PEOPLE ARE DELIBERATELY CHOOSING NOT TO GET THE VACCINE. Vaccines don't work if people consciously choose not to receive them, and my link, to a peer-reviewed study in a medical journal, which is much, much more substantial than anything you have posted, demonstrates exactly that, and shows exactly why your attitude is so ignorant.

Jesus, you're just not listening to what people are telling you. Is it a language thing?

check what i post before yelling at me, freaking moron.

Did you not see that all of fucking africa has been vaccinated since 2000 if not before. There was nobody refusing the vaccin back then. But 7 years or more down the road, still stuck with the same problem.

You are the one not able to listen to other point of view

And fuck you crappy link.

[Bob]

check what i post before yelling at me, freaking moron.

Did you not see that all of fucking africa has been vaccinated since 2000 if not before. There was nobody refusing the vaccin back then. But 7 years or more down the road, still stuck with the same problem.


see i think this is where you're ignoring what schmeltz is saying. his article says that at some point, people started refusing the vaccine, then the outbreak occurred. you seem to be saying "no they didn't" without anything to refute his point

[Schmeltz]

And fuck you crappy link.

Ha ha ha what a rebuttal! (y)

Seriously though - if vaccine coverage is incomplete, whether through poor oversight or the deliberate choices of ignorant individuals, even vaccinated individuals can be put at risk. This has been demonstrated time and time again, even in the West through outbreaks of diseases like measles and pertussis. This does not demonstrate that vaccines are ineffective and that nobody should get them, it demonstrates the cruciality of having everybody vaccinated to produce herd immunity, and the very real dangers posed by people who choose not to be vaccinated for no substantial reason.

The bottom line is that you are making a conscious choice that puts the health and safety of others at risk, and for no good reason other than some video you found online. All the numbers and history reveal the same thing: when populations decrease their rate of vaccination, they increase their incidence of preventable disease, and vice versa. You seem to have this strange idea that vaccination is supposed to be a one-time cure-all that doesn't succeed if it fails to permanently dispose of diseases. It's really much more complicated and processual - more so than Google video would have you believe.

[fucktopgirl]

Ha ha ha what a rebuttal! (y)

Seriously though - if vaccine coverage is incomplete, whether through poor oversight or the deliberate choices of ignorant individuals, even vaccinated individuals can be put at risk. This has been demonstrated time and time again, even in the West through outbreaks of diseases like measles and pertussis. This does not demonstrate that vaccines are ineffective and that nobody should get them, it demonstrates the cruciality of having everybody vaccinated to produce herd immunity, and the very real dangers posed by people who choose not to be vaccinated for no substantial reason.

This is where i fail to understand immunization. If you get the vaccin , you should then be safe. If another person decide not to get the shot. How will it pose a danger to you since you are vaccinated?


The bottom line is that you are making a conscious choice that puts the health and safety of others at risk, and for no good reason other than some video you found online. All the numbers and history reveal the same thing: when populations decrease their rate of vaccination, they increase their incidence of preventable disease, and vice versa. You seem to have this strange idea that vaccination is supposed to be a one-time cure-all that doesn't succeed if it fails to permanently dispose of diseases. It's really much more complicated and processual - more so than Google video would have you believe.

I think that this argument is pure bollock, if somebody don't get a shot, he/her put her own health at risk, if anything. When population get massive campaign of vaccination, curiously, there is a hight % of infection of this sort of disease, furthermore, the ones being the most infect are the ones getting the shot.

Herd immunity is a somewhat biased concept. They inoculated all over africa about 7 times, if not more, still the disease is around. The ones refusing to go trough with this now, are people who don't believe anymore in this seeing that outbreak are still happening.


POlio is contagious and it is in relation with water supply, food and sanitary condition. Obviously, it is not hard to realize that countries that are affected with this disease, and many other, have poor sanitary condition, often a dirty source of water if not at all and almost nothing to eat. They are already in a surviving mode and their immune system and health is weak. Now, shooting them with disease is not really wise. That why there is still outbreak of polio down there. For first, they would need to make their living more cleaner and give them access to what all human being should have:clean water and food, and toilet. So improving their overall life style could help a lot in the outbreak of disease, not just shooting them with shit into their blood stream.


IN america we don't have that kind of disease anymore maybe because we all have toilet, clean water and plenty of food. We , to put it radically, don't eat our own shit and drink our own pee.

So yea, i think that others things should be done then vaccination to help them or maybe a combination. But just vaccinated them ...worth not much really and it's real benefit is quite controversy.

Another interesting article:

http://www.advancedhealthplan.com/vaccination.html

[Bob]

This is where i fail to understand immunization. If you get the vaccin , you should then be safe. If another person decide not to get the shot. How will it pose a danger to you since you are vaccinated?



agghhhhh

[fucktopgirl]

well, then BOB, can you explain it to me?

[russhie]

Vaccination, all the way. When you don't vaccinate, you're not only putting the life of your own child at risk, but also others by perpetuating the disease.

Not vaccinating a child to 'help' boost their immune system is a bit of a fallicy, I think. I was only able to have two of three vaccinations against Reubella (sp?) when I was younger due to reactions that increased in severity, which now means my future children are at risk, and I get to be concerned about that. Woo.

Other things, like tetnus vaccinations, are important too - you're saying that having tetnus will only make your child stronger once they recover? I just don't understand that kind of reasoning.

[Bob]

i can't show you anything that schmeltz hasn't tried to show you, and you don't seem to be getting that, so no, i don't think i can explain it to you.

for example he says:

"here's how vaccinations work; you have to vaccinate a sufficiently large segment of the population, otherwise even those that are vaccinated will still be at risk. here's a peer reviewed article that explains this and illustrates how in africa, where enough the population refused to be vaccinated, an outbreak occurred"

and then you say:

"i don't get it! vaccinations shouldn't work like that! shouldn't those who get vaccinated be safe? and yet they aren't! so you see, vaccinations don't work"

but no fucktopgirl, that's not how vaccinations appear to work and you just stubbornly refuse to get it, i don't think you want to believe it

[fucktopgirl]

Vaccination, all the way. When you don't vaccinate, you're not only putting the life of your own child at risk, but also others by perpetuating the disease.
[QUOTE]


bullshit

[QUOTE]Not vaccinating a child to 'help' boost their immune system is a bit of a fallicy, I think. I was only able to have two of three vaccinations against Reubella (sp?) when I was younger due to reactions that increased in severity, which now means my future children are at risk, and I get to be concerned about that. Woo.

reaction to the vaccine perhaps? and why you children are at risks?

[fucktopgirl]

[QUOTE=Bob;1525934]i can't show you anything that schmeltz hasn't tried to show you, and you don't seem to be getting that, so no, i don't think i can explain it to you.


right... why somebody who is vaccinated should be at risks when he is immunized. he could swim in a pool of polio and be alright since he his protected by the vaccin. You cannot explain to me logically why. Just that it is the way it is because it is how it work.


"here's how vaccinations work; you have to vaccinate a sufficientlylarge segment of the population, otherwise even those that are vaccinated will still be at risk. here's a peer reviewed article that explains this and illustrates how in africa, where enough the population refused to be vaccinated, an outbreak occurred"

bullshit. i link many article with full of data written by Doctor and nobody consider them. Right , because they go against what we are supposed to believe. An outbreak occurred often after a massive inoculation campaign, weird to me. And of course, you will say it is because of the people who did not get the vaccin . :rolleyes:

and then you say:

"i don't get it! vaccinations shouldn't work like that! shouldn't those who get vaccinated be safe? and yet they aren't! so you see, vaccinations don't work"

that right...FOr me saying that the people who are not vaccinated are the ones responsable for the outbreak is non sense.

''After institution of diphtheria vaccination in England and Wales in 1894 the number of deaths from diphtheria rose by 20 % in the subsequent 15 years. Germany had compulsory vaccination in 1939. The rate of diphtheria spiraled to 150,000 cases that year whereas, Norway which did not have compulsory vaccination, had only 50 cases of diphtheria the same year.''

from the last article i link. How do you explain that? right this article is not worth a dog shit.


but no fucktopgirl, that's not how vaccinations appear to work and you just stubbornly refuse to get it, i don't think you want to believe it

i question it , for sure, because, if we take the polio example in Africa. IT'S been 17 years they try to free this country of this disease and yet, the disease still alive and WELL.

So yea...

[russhie]

[quote=russhie;1525933]Vaccination, all the way. When you don't vaccinate, you're not only putting the life of your own child at risk, but also others by perpetuating the disease.
[quote]


bullshit



reaction to the vaccine perhaps? and why you children are at risks?

Haha. Bullshit, ey? How very eloquent of you.

Yes, I had a severe reaction to the vaccine, I stated that. My future children are at risk because I haven't had the full course of the vaccine for this particular disease - it can affect the mental and physical abilities of unborn children, HENCE THE NEED FOR A VACCINE TO PROTECT FUTURE GENERATIONS.

Der. That's how vaccinations work.

[ms.peachy]

[QUOTE]
right... why somebody who is vaccinated should be at risks when he is immunized. he could swim in a pool of polio and be alright since he his protected by the vaccin. You cannot explain to me logically why. Just that it is the way it is because it is how it work.


In all seriousness, do you understand what a virus is, and how it mutates to survive? I mean I really think that you are really lacking in some fundamental knowledge of how this whole process works.

[Bob]

[QUOTE=fucktopgirl;1525961]

In all seriousness, do you understand what a virus is, and how it mutates to survive? I mean I really think that you are really lacking in some fundamental knowledge of how this whole process works.

bullshit!

[NoFenders]

I'm all for vaccinaton. I have a friend who's bought into this whole vaccinations are bad bit. I don't get it. To tell ya the truth, I trust my doctors and medical professionals. I don't trust people who have too much time on their hands to dream up this fantasy crap and sell a book on it.


:cool:

[EN[i]GMA]

right... why somebody who is vaccinated should be at risks when he is immunized. he could swim in a pool of polio and be alright since he his protected by the vaccin. You cannot explain to me logically why. Just that it is the way it is because it is how it work.

No it isn't.

Nothing in life works 100% of the time. Nothing. Do you understand this concept?

"IF YOU PUT ON A CONDOM IT PROTECT YOUR SPERM FROM HITTING THE EGGS, BUT SENSE PEOPLE SOMETIMES GET PREGNANT WITH CONDOM ON, CONDOMS MUST CAUSE PREGANANCY!"

That doesn't make sense, does it?

A vaccine might protect some people if they "swim in a pool of polio" and might barely work on someone else. Also, vaccines can wear off over time, which means that even though you were protected 5 years ago, you might not be today.

This is just how they work.


bullshit. i link many article with full of data written by Doctor and nobody consider them. Right , because they go against what we are supposed to believe. An outbreak occurred often after a massive inoculation campaign, weird to me. And of course, you will say it is because of the people who did not get the vaccin . :rolleyes:

If some people do not get the vaccine, then the virus is live in the population where it can infect those who didn't take the vaccine, those who's body didn't react well, or it can mutate and get around the vaccine.

This can happen, but it's much less likely to happen if everyone is vaccinated.


that right...FOr me saying that the people who are not vaccinated are the ones responsable for the outbreak is non sense.

Explain to me how, scientifically, this is possible.

But what mechanism does this occur?


''After institution of diphtheria vaccination in England and Wales in 1894 the number of deaths from diphtheria rose by 20 % in the subsequent 15 years. Germany had compulsory vaccination in 1939. The rate of diphtheria spiraled to 150,000 cases that year whereas, Norway which did not have compulsory vaccination, had only 50 cases of diphtheria the same year.''

from the last article i link. How do you explain that? right this article is not worth a dog shit.

Maybe the vaccines used in Eighteen-Fucking-Ninety-Fucking-Four weren't very good.

It wouldn't make sense to compare surgery survival rates from then to now, would it?

"NERALY HALF OF PEOPLE WHO GET AMPUTATION DIE OF INFECTION IN CIVIL WAR, AND SO IF YOU GET YOUR MOLE REMOVED YOU WILL DIE NOW"

Again, a bad argument.


i question it , for sure, because, if we take the polio example in Africa. IT'S been 17 years they try to free this country of this disease and yet, the disease still alive and WELL.

So yea...

Well, we've been trying to fight poverty in Africa for 50 years, and it's still there.

I guess we should stop that, too, right?

I mean, some countries we even gave aid to got poorer after we gave them that money. Using your logic, that means that aid money makes countries poorer, right?

[EN[i]GMA]

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/09/03/AR2007090300933.html?referrer=delicious

[fucktopgirl]

GMA;1526068']No it isn't.

Nothing in life works 100% of the time. Nothing. Do you understand this concept?


no, i don't get that. Is a concept is something like a CONCAVE?


"IF YOU PUT ON A CONDOM IT PROTECT YOUR SPERM FROM HITTING THE EGGS, BUT SENSE PEOPLE SOMETIMES GET PREGNANT WITH CONDOM ON, CONDOMS MUST CAUSE PREGANANCY!"

That doesn't make sense, does it?

Yea, condom and injecting people with disease, right..

You seee, i don't put those two example at the same level. I see the link you want to make but that does not convince me to go get my daughter shot with nasty shit.

A vaccine might protect some people if they "swim in a pool of polio" and might barely work on someone else. Also, vaccines can wear off over time, which means that even though you were protected 5 years ago, you might not be today.


So you have to keep getting the vaccin all your life then? why they stop all the vaccination at a certain age then? Because they supposed that after a certain amount of shot you are fully protected for all your life. poor rhetoric.




If some people do not get the vaccine, then the virus is live in the population where it can infect those who didn't take the vaccine, those who's body didn't react well, or it can mutate and get around the vaccine.

This can happen, but it's much less likely to happen if everyone is vaccinated.


why the virus would be alive in the population if the person who don't get the vaccin is free of it? HE/her may never catch it because his/her immune system is quite strong. So , again, really poor argumentation.

Explain to me how, scientifically, this is possible.

But what mechanism does this occur?

i will refer to the reply just up here, if somebody don't have the disease, how come he is the one responsible for an outbreak? You will come around and say, well he will be an easy target for the virus and will catch it. FUck that, like i did said many time. often outbreak occurred in the vaccinated population , just after a massive campaign and not in the non- vaccinated.

Maybe the vaccines used in Eighteen-Fucking-Ninety-Fucking-Four weren't very good.

The vaccin nowadays are pretty much base on the same technic/ component then the ones in the 1900. SAme shit. BUt i read an article where they talk about how some batch of vaccin are really rotten and those are the ones that could be dangerous. When they produce vaccin, it is in the number up to 700 000...



Well, we've been trying to fight poverty in Africa for 50 years, and it's still there.

I guess we should stop that, too, right?

I mean, some countries we even gave aid to got poorer after we gave them that money. Using your logic, that means that aid money makes countries poorer, right?

Fighting poverty, yes for sure. if we would have really fight this shit. Everybody around there would have water and proper housing, and all that. IN a capitalist system, inegalities are good and need to be maintain . That why, africa and all the third world countries are still poor, because they are the working force of our industrialize world. If they would become level to us with their economy and socially( trade union as an example). Not as much profit would be done. So i honnestly think that the condition of the poorer countries, like Africa, are in fact keep this way for the benefit of the ones dominating this capitalism system. And too they don't really give a shit about their situation. The ones who have the resources.


So to come back to the situation of the vaccin, i think that for a fight of 17 years,in Africa, it seem to be not that effective. Again, upgrading the lifestyle and sanitary condition of the third world countries could eradicate a lot of the disease seeing nowadays. I could put my hand on a fire for that and not feel a thing as i am right.

[ms.peachy]

You know, I bit a nut or something in my muesli this morning and now my tooth hurts. And I keep prodding it with my tongue, even though I know every time I do it's going to make me cringe.

[fucktopgirl]

nice attempt at being sarcastic .

[ms.peachy]

I wasn't being sarcastic, not in the least.

[fucktopgirl]

i though you were trying to make a point but somewhat indirectly and sarcastically.

[Bob]

You know, I bit a nut or something in my muesli this morning and now my tooth hurts. And I keep prodding it with my tongue, even though I know every time I do it's going to make me cringe.

it's obviously because you regularly visit the dentist and dentists are sham doctors, they're part of a government conspiracy you see -- the medical-industrial complex. i would never send my child to a dentist

they put HOOKS in your MOUTH! hooks made of HEAVY METALS (they can be heavy when you put a bunch of them together i bet). do you know what kind of shit the dentist does to your teeth? i sure don't. that's why i know they're bad.

in concentration camps in NAZI GERMANY, nazi dentists would torture jews and steal the gold from the fillings in their mouths. dr. mengele? he was a dentist (or maybe he was friends with dentists or something i dunno). here's a little documentary (http://imdb.com/title/tt0074860/) that i think proves my point pretty well

dentistry has been around for decades, and yet people still get cavities and bad breath. and you're going to tell me honestly that dentists are supposed to help people?

open your eyes, people

[ericg]

VACCINATE YOUR MOST PRECIOUS CHILD
Category: News and Politics


"STEP ONE: THROUGHLY VACCINATE YOUR CHILD.

STEP TWO: Give child plenty of drugs (i.e. antibiotics, steriods, breathing treatments, inhalers, ADHD, ADD drugs, tubes in ears, tonsilectomy, etc., to deal with the illnesses that vaccines have presented, i.e. asthma, ear infections, behavioral problems, or WORSE.

When those symptoms have been changed by the drugs GIVE MORE POTENT drugs to deal with the new symptoms that suppressing the old symptoms have caused (remember these original symptoms were caused by vaccines).

STEP THREE: SURGERIES. To try to alliveate some suffering of the changes and pathology in the organs that taking all the suppressive drugs have caused.

STEP FOUR: YOUR Child can live miserably for several years dealing with one health problem after another always managing symptoms with more drugs but never healing the body from the inside out with natural methods. After vaccination it is more difficult to heal naturally because life force is so distorted, not to mention the body posioned.

YOU CANNOT FOOL MOTHER NATURE

DO NOT PUT DISEASES AND FILTH (see vaccine ingredients) INTO A HEALTHY CHILD TO PREVENT DISEASES....this is not rocket science only common sense...THAT CHILD IS HEALTHY ALREADY. PROTECT THAT HEALTH WITH NUTRITION. NOT INJECTIONS OF POSIONS.

Above written by L. Nye (Vaccine researcher twenty five years)
__________________________________________________ _________
"A single vaccine given to a six pound infant is the equivelent of giving a 180 pound adult 30 vaccines in one day." Quote by: Dr. Boyd Haley, Professor and Chair, Dept of Chemistry, University of Kentucky.
__________________________________________________ ____________
ANTI-VAX WEBSITES: www.nmaseminars.com, www.thinktwice.com,www.satanicvaccines.com, www.vaclib.org, www.vaccinetruth.com, www.909shot.com, www.novaccine.com

*******NO VACCINES...NOT EVEN ONE... PETS AND OLD PEOPLE INCLUDED********

VACCINES ARE A LIE FOR PROFIT.

[Schmeltz]

fucktopgirl, I think what's become clear is that you need to deepen your understanding of the issues being discussed here. The way you seem to understand the nature of poverty, for example, is deeply flawed: there is simply no place, in a serious conversation, for conspiratorial perceptions of international poverty as a deliberately produced and manipulated condition. Nor can a discussion realistically be conducted if you continue to insist that the terms include definitions of vaccination that are at total odds with the scientific consensus and indeed with reality itself - the manner in which you continue to perpetuate this myth of the ineffectiveness of vaccines, while ignoring the true causes of such a phenomenon, in spite of the best efforts of some of the brightest contributors to this forum, just goes to show it.

Enigma posted a cash money link up there, about how the human mind works when presented with a repetitious myth (and, I suspect, especially when such exposure to myth is paired with a skewed misunderstanding of how to critically review information). It's curious to imagine that people are hardwired to think this way, but it certainly seems to explain a lot about how the world works. It's really rather quite endlessly frustrating.

Edit: and ericg didn't even bother with any Beastie Boys lyrics there, so it's obvious he's not really committed to this discussion anyway.

[Bob]

VACCINATE YOUR MOST PRECIOUS CHILD
Category: News and Politics


"STEP ONE: THROUGHLY VACCINATE YOUR CHILD.

STEP TWO: Give child plenty of drugs (i.e. antibiotics, steriods, breathing treatments, inhalers, ADHD, ADD drugs, tubes in ears, tonsilectomy, etc., to deal with the illnesses that vaccines have presented, i.e. asthma, ear infections, behavioral problems, or WORSE.

When those symptoms have been changed by the drugs GIVE MORE POTENT drugs to deal with the new symptoms that suppressing the old symptoms have caused (remember these original symptoms were caused by vaccines).

STEP THREE: SURGERIES. To try to alliveate some suffering of the changes and pathology in the organs that taking all the suppressive drugs have caused.

STEP FOUR: YOUR Child can live miserably for several years dealing with one health problem after another always managing symptoms with more drugs but never healing the body from the inside out with natural methods. After vaccination it is more difficult to heal naturally because life force is so distorted, not to mention the body posioned.

YOU CANNOT FOOL MOTHER NATURE

DO NOT PUT DISEASES AND FILTH (see vaccine ingredients) INTO A HEALTHY CHILD TO PREVENT DISEASES....this is not rocket science only common sense...THAT CHILD IS HEALTHY ALREADY. PROTECT THAT HEALTH WITH NUTRITION. NOT INJECTIONS OF POSIONS.

Above written by L. Nye (Vaccine researcher twenty five years)
__________________________________________________ _________
"A single vaccine given to a six pound infant is the equivelent of giving a 180 pound adult 30 vaccines in one day." Quote by: Dr. Boyd Haley, Professor and Chair, Dept of Chemistry, University of Kentucky.
__________________________________________________ ____________
ANTI-VAX WEBSITES: www.nmaseminars.com, www.thinktwice.com,www.satanicvaccines.com, www.vaclib.org, www.vaccinetruth.com, www.909shot.com, www.novaccine.com

*******NO VACCINES...NOT EVEN ONE... PETS AND OLD PEOPLE INCLUDED********

VACCINES ARE A LIE FOR PROFIT.

weird, they quit after step one on me

edit: i read it a little more closely and this, just

DO NOT PUT DISEASES AND FILTH (see vaccine ingredients) INTO A HEALTHY CHILD TO PREVENT DISEASES....this is not rocket science only common sense...THAT CHILD IS HEALTHY ALREADY. PROTECT THAT HEALTH WITH NUTRITION. NOT INJECTIONS OF POSIONS.

ugh

[fucktopgirl]

you go to the dentist when you have a problem. it is a fairly manual job, they drill you and patch the hole. It is a bit less invasive as a method. less complex and it affect less the whole body and all the interaction happening between the cells and the organs.

Vaccination is a bit more touchy, they do this for prevention and injected biological and metal into your blood stream, quite a difference if you ask me. BY the way, i don't think there is a conspiracy i just doubt that there is real benefit, overall. Science and medicine is something always evolving and vaccination was invented 200 years ago, but for about 100 years , this is a common and accepted practice, maybe this is a bit outdated... The side effects are starting to resurface , lots of people are witnessing it in their children and sometime death occur. Like you guys already point out about barbaric practice of medicine in the past, well this can still happen. Because we know more about science and the human body, that does not mean that we are right at 100% and that no more mistake can be made. Nothing is permanent and vaccination is no god.

Vaccination got all the praise for the disappearance of diseases but one have to keep in mind all the change that happen also in society, I cannot stress enough the fact about our sanitary condition and nutrition in Occident.


I am wondering if it is really essential and why un-vaccinated are so dangerous. The rethoric that stipulate that THEY are the ones perpetrating the disease and the outbreak, is , once again, a fallacy.

[fucktopgirl]

[QUOTE=Schmeltz;1526157]fucktopgirl, I think what's become clear is that you need to deepen your understanding of the issues being discussed here. The way you seem to understand the nature of poverty, for example, is deeply flawed: there is simply no place, in a serious conversation, for conspiratorial perceptions of international poverty as a deliberately produced and manipulated condition.

hahahahaha, IT is how the system work. The rich and the pooor and those classes need to be keep the way they are. Anyway, this is not really the place for this discussion.

Nor can a discussion realistically be conducted if you continue to insist that the terms include definitions of vaccination that are at total odds with the scientific consensus and indeed with reality itself - the manner in which you continue to perpetuate this myth of the ineffectiveness of vaccines, while ignoring the true causes of such a phenomenon, in spite of the best efforts of some of the brightest contributors to this forum, just goes to show it.

Brightest? who? Anyway, I have my opinion on the matter, who'S right , who'S wrong...I don't ignore anything i just doubt this practice.

Enigma posted a cash money link up there, about how the human mind works when presented with a repetitious myth (and, I suspect, especially when such exposure to myth is paired with a skewed misunderstanding of how to critically review information). It's curious to imagine that people are hardwired to think this way, but it certainly seems to explain a lot about how the world works. It's really rather quite endlessly frustrating.

yea, how myth are repeated.... and people are hardwired to think a certain way. Tell me about it.:rolleyes:

[Schmeltz]

[QUOTE]yea, how myth are repeated.... and people are hardwired to think a certain way. Tell me about it.:rolleyes:

But... but Enigma posted the link. It's right up there for you to review and discuss if you disagree with... what more do you want me to tell you? :confused:

[fucktopgirl]

[QUOTE=fucktopgirl;1526179]

But... but Enigma posted the link. It's right up there for you to review and discuss if you disagree with... what more do you want me to tell you? :confused:

i post link and nobody give a crap so ...

BUt because i am curious i did read it, and i just found this quite funny and entertaining.

HOw myth are repeated and people are hardwired to think a certain way.


It is quite an interesting sentence.

[russhie]

This thread is actually pretty amusing.

I don't know what more can be said, really.

[Knuckles]

I don't know what more can be said, really.
Yeah, it's just not my style to call someone an idiot so I guess I'll just keep quiet.

[ericg]

Just know the multi-trillion dollar industry that makes society's 'vaccinations' these days. These companies would lose trillions, if not go bankrupt if cures were developed. Like much technology, patents for cures are bought and prevented from entering society. It is also documented that many diseases have been manufactured. What does that say for vaccinations produced by the same industry/ government? An inocculation may have been straight forward at one time. What's with all the extra ingredients now? It's the same all around when money dictates and corruption rules, ie tobacco etc. These industries effectually work hand in hand, whether you wish to see it or not, and they'll continue to place their bets on the latter.

Economic slaves...

Merck, one of the largest pharmaceutical companies, began in Natzi Germany and moved to America where it put all its resources into germ-warfare research. That's not 'war on germs' btw. The scope of the present industry-government's corruption, which has only been to the detriment, destruction, and enslavement of society, is documented and all-too obvious. However logistically, it follows that it requires a macro orientation, that many in subjected milieu do not have the 'wherewithal', 'sense' or 'nerve' for. Until people get just a little wiser and decide to challenge their privately owned and distributed 'common sense', that and worse is what is in store for them.

[Yetra Flam]

have you been "vaccinating" yourself with crack?

[fucktopgirl]

i am wondering who is the idiot here.....:eek:

I will still go against the grain!

http://video.google.ca/videoplay?docid=1943756399572670093&q=bad+religion-against+the+grain&total=3&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=2

[fucktopgirl]

have you been "vaccinating" yourself with crack?

NO, i have been vaccinated with intelligence.

What a shocking affirmation he?

[EN[i]GMA]

NO, i have been vaccinated with intelligence.

What a shocking affirmation he?

Wait, so does that mean you're now IMMUNE to intelligence?

[ms.peachy]

GMA;1526529']Wait, so does that mean you're now IMMUNE to intelligence?

Ah, now it's all becoming clear.

[Bob]

GMA;1526529']Wait, so does that mean you're now IMMUNE to intelligence?

hahaha

[fucktopgirl]

GMA;1526529']Wait, so does that mean you're now IMMUNE to intelligence?

hahahaha, well, you have me on this one or let put is this way, i trap myself with my impulsive reply:D

[ericg]

no you're good. you meant that you can be around it and not get as dazed and confused as others...

[EN[i]GMA]

no you're good. you meant that you can be around it and not get as dazed and confused as others...

Have you graduated to Led Zeppelin now?

[ericg]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ww5obJ8fcwA
pause at 12 sec.

[yeahwho]

feeling better doesn't mean your not at risk, my platelets began to form into clots just reading your post.