Goths

[Yetra Flam]

When i was in high school, "emo" didn't even really exist. It was only goth kids. Yeah i hung out with them. Some of them. I was one of those kids that made sure that i looked different to everyone else and acted all badass, and put shitty colour in my hair and wore doc martens and tartan skirts and fishnets. Fuck man, i still dye my hair black, have that same belt and have my lip pierced. I don't think i ever grew out of it properly.
The goths i knew weren't all depressed or anything at all, they just wore all black. Most of them seemed to really enjoy life.
Anyway, i don't see any goth kids anymore. What happened to goths?
Share your goth stories. Or even share your stories about your high school rebellion.

[TurdBerglar]

there were never any goths here. and there's very little of emmo kids. i think they all congregate at the mall. that's the only place i ever see them.

[cosmo105]

my hair's been pretty much every color except maybe orange or yellow. i sewed a lot of my own clothes. i shaved my head in junior year with a 3 guard and sort of stopped going to school for a while. i had a lip ring too but outgrew it. i really wasn't all that rebellious - i had at least a 4.0 most of the time, i guess i just went through a rough time toward the end of high school.

senior year, i got voted most unique, which says a lot about my school.

oh ha - i quasi-dated a bisexual goth guy (he was a senior, i was a freshman) who later turned out to be just plain gay. he was probably the worst kisser i've ever had. he was a drama queen and a half.

[Yetra Flam]

All the people i was friends with didn't grow out of it, and they're all heroin addicts now. But they don't consider that a bad thing. To them heroin addiction = artistic and free.

[TurdBerglar]

i don't understand how someone can purposely associate themselves with such a maligned group of people. i think the average person takes KKK memebers more seriously than that emmo/goth shit.

it's like you're going out of your way to tell everyone to hate you. why? why would you do that?

[Yetra Flam]

nah, it's more like going out of your way to make sure that everyone knows that you're different. it's taking not fitting in to an extreme.

[cosmo105]

emmo

hahahahahaha

[TurdBerglar]

nah, it's more like going out of your way to make sure that everyone knows that you're different. it's taking not fitting in to an extreme.

so being a bit of a weirdo is not enough? you need to make yourself even weirder? that does nothing but take a person that would have had respect for you and take it all away making you even more of an outcast. you're saying these people want to be outcasts?

[Yetra Flam]

yeah that's the whole point i think.

[TurdBerglar]

what does that accomplish?

[Yetra Flam]

i don't think it's supposed to accomplish anything?
i suppose it's feeling like you belong in a certain group, rather than just being a non-affiliated weirdo.

[TurdBerglar]

i just don't have a whole lot of respect for people that put a lot of premeditated thought and physical effort into "being themselves" for all types of people. and most other people feel the same way. you're not really being yourself when you're putting that much effort and premeditated thought into your persona.

all you're doing is making people loose a lot of respect for you. that's the only thing being accomplish.

this isn't just about goths but all people that go out of there way to be different. just be yourself. being yourself shouldn't take any effort.

[russhie]

The thing that annoys me most about these fringe groups is that they seem to find it offensive that I want to live "normally". I don't have a gimmik, whatever.

I don't have anything against them, so why is it that they don't like me? Not that I particularly care, but it does make me curious.

[TurdBerglar]

because you're the man

[russhie]

Oh.

[Yetra Flam]

Probably jealousy

[hitmonlee]

the cure aren't as popular as they used to be, but going to the cure concert really brought all those goths out of retirement. (y)

[-T-]

Goths are the same as any other "group". Except they try harder to be noticed.

[ms.peachy]

Anyway, i don't see any goth kids anymore. What happened to goths?


We've got lots of 'em here in London, I assure you. No shortage. Would you like me to post you some?

[cosmo105]

i never considered myself goth, or anything really. i sometimes wonder why i dyed my hair and dressed the way i did and stuff considering the fact that i was so damned shy back then. i guess it was just self-expression or whatever. i still dye my hair and dress like i do, but lately i'm starting to feel like it's time to move on and start getting some shirts with collars and buttons and shit. i always feel silly when i'm trying on professional-ish clothes, though...like a little kid playing dress-up in mommy's closet. i definitely stick out in my major, where everyone else looks like they're either fresh from the gym or going to a corporate meeting. and here i am, ms. blue hair and 7-year-old cons and hokey thrift store shirt like i'm in some 90s grrrl band or something. i guess it's time to grow up...

[b i o n i c]

neverrrrrrrrrrr

[abcdefz]

I could never really get into Joy Division.


The whole goth scene kind of turned my stomach. I don't think it's healthy to celebrate or fetishize or fashion-ize most of what goth seemed
to be about.

[Kid Presentable]

All the goths I knew were morphine addicts. Ridiculous, though. They dress like that as if they were never just a plain old kid once upon a time. Oh well. As long as they're miserable. (y)

[Rock]

I didn't really read this thread....but I just wanna say that last year for halloween my wife and two of her coworkers dressed up all goth for work.
And my lady was a maaaaad hot goth girl.

[AceFace]

oh oh! i saw a bunch of goths last night! of course it was halloween, but i went to this costume party at a club and they were spinning all this gothy music and they were getting down with their gothy dances. it was all so... gothy. it was neat b/c i hadn't seen them around in awhile, then i realized it was b/c they're all 30 now and halloween is an excuse to go back to it for a day.

i do have to say i love me some depeche modeish, goth inspired, hating life, loving misery, dark dance music. gets me all saucy.

[DroppinScience]

I like the '80s goth music a lot (i.e. The Cure, Joy Division, Sisters of Mercy, Siouxsie & The Banshees et al.), but goths themselves are kinda annoying. I went to see The Raveonettes last week (they're not a goth band, but the venue they played attracts lots of goths) and saw this fat goth girl. She was the stereotypical goth, looking paler than a vampire. I turned to my friend and asked: "Why is it that goth girls are alway FAT?" She laughed really hard and couldn't believe I actually said that, but ended up agreeing.

[Lyman Zerga]

we didnt really have that group shit here

girls been either slutty or kid-like or both and all guys wanted to become soccer stars

[Waus]

She was the stereotypical goth, looking paler than a vampire. I turned to my friend and asked: "Why is it that goth girls are alway FAT?"

Sedentary lifestyle combined with clinical depression (or perceived depression). Antidepressants can cause weight gain.


I can't really imagine a hardcore goth getting up early and going out for a jog.

[Bob]

i think my favorite thing about goths is how they all disappear about 2 weeks into the start of college when they realize nobody gives a fuck

[Dorothy Wood]

Sedentary lifestyle combined with clinical depression (or perceived depression). Antidepressants can cause weight gain.


I can't really imagine a hardcore goth getting up early and going out for a jog.

I saw a fit goth in exercise clothing! he got a coffee at starbucks! it's true!


I went to a show with shoegaze sort of music and mostly all of the girls were fat. I think that's just the way it goes.

[mikizee]

A goth couple are walking down the street.

How can you tell which one is the female?












Its the fat one!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!! !!

[RobMoney$]

It's ironic how Goths think they're so different but all end up looking the same. They fall into their own little catageory, perfectly.

[RobMoney$]

The Best Goth...
So how much do clothes cost in the Matrix? (http://image.evene.fr/img/galerie/5-6137-M6307.jpg)

[paul jones]

My favorite Goth
http://youtube.com/watch?v=Lrdtc4o6vwg

[hitmonlee]

A goth couple are walking down the street.

How can you tell which one is the female?












Its the fat one!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!! !!

i love that joke. i have a goth joke but its a bit perth-centric. maybe i'll tell it and kid p can laugh.

what did one goth say to the other goth?


hey lets go hang out at the GPO!


:o

[Yetra Flam]

maybe some fat girls have low self esteem and feel like they want to belong in a group.

[DandyFop]

I sorta dated a gothy kinda guy years back. He role-played (in real life) vampire crap and told me he had a 10 inch penis. (No I never found out)

We made out on the lawn at the university and then I stopped returning his calls after a night where he a) got mad at my friend for not liking Tool and b) recited all of A Midsummer's Night's Dream when we went to go see my friend in it. We were sitting in the front row and I'm pretty sure even some of the actor's heard him.

But I generally don't have a problem with teens and kids doing crap like that, it's just a phase. However when people my age are still going through the effort to dress that way, etc., that's when I find it particularly annoying/stupid.

I had that guy's spiked collar for years though, I can't remember why he gave it to me but it was pretty sweet for the occasional music video.

[Kid Presentable]

i love that joke. i have a goth joke but its a bit perth-centric. maybe i'll tell it and kid p can laugh.

what did one goth say to the other goth?


hey lets go hang out at the GPO!


:o

Is that the one in town?

[russhie]

i love that joke. i have a goth joke but its a bit perth-centric. maybe i'll tell it and kid p can laugh.

what did one goth say to the other goth?


hey lets go hang out at the GPO!


:o


Here, hanging at GPO means you're going to partake in an overpriced latte and rifle through some designer clothes. Or maybe act like a wanker at the pretentious bar upstairs. Very anti-goth, if you like.

[AceFace]

maybe some fat girls have low self esteem and feel like they want to belong in a group.

this is exactly what i think. they are just like anyone else, looking for friends to accept them for who they are and not what they look like.

[TurdBerglar]

not what they look like? then why are they purposely going out of there way and putting all this effort into their looks/persona?

i find it odd for someone that is upset for being disliked to purposely do something that would make them even more disliked. you're kinda just shooting yourself in the foot. it's completely beyond me. i can totally understand wanting to be part of a group of friends but not at the expense of respect from the rest.

i've met a few goths/oddballs that just didn't give a shit. they dressed and presented themselves the way they did just because they liked it. they weren't trying to make a statement or anything or overtly express themselves. it was just their thing. they were friendly and sociable to everyone. it came off very naturally and i didn't find it annoying.

[abcdefz]

i find it odd for someone that is upset for being disliked to purposely do something that would make them even more disliked. you're kinda just shooting yourself in the foot. it's completely beyond me.




For some people, it's a reaction that's sort of about "punishing" other people. Or self-fulfilling prophecy, like: "You would just reject me, so I'll
reject you first" sort of thing.

[TurdBerglar]

i've thought that too. i see it as a fuck you to everyone else. how fucking rude and disrespectful is that. it's rude and disrespectful and doesn't get you anywhere. it actually limits you or can even make you move backwards unless you've found some niche where behavior like that is tolerated.

[AceFace]

well most of the time we're not dealing with that rational of a person. most goths that i see now are high school kids. when have you known many high school kids that rationalize like an adult? i'm sure there are a few, but whatever. some kids want to be different and go wherever they're accepted. and they don't care if you respect them or not. they're just looking for a way to feel "themselves".

for me it was the punk/sharp scene. i had a shaved head and wore all kinds of crazy shit. at the time i thought it was "me". but now i look back and realize it was "us". the kids who wanted to be different and be accepted by someone other than the mainstream kids.

i still hold my s.h.a.r.p. ideals to this day, but i'll never shave my head into a chelsea again and i don't believe my clothing style has to reflect those ideals either. i've grown up. and now i'm looking at my early life in a different perspective.

just like my gothy friends i saw out the other night. they are in their 30s now. they don't do the goth dressing up or pale face/dark lips thing anymore, but they certainly like to let it come out every once in awhile b/c it's who they are. and as adults, they know the proper time and place for it, which is not all day every day.

[abcdefz]

i've thought that too. i see it as a fuck you to everyone else. how fucking rude and disrespectful is that. it's rude and disrespectful and doesn't get you anywhere. it actually limits you or can even make you move backwards unless you've found some niche where behavior like that is tolerated.



It's kind of annoying, but I find it hard to take seriously, so I usually feel either a bit of pity or I'm just dismissive.

[TurdBerglar]

i was rational in hs. and so wasn't everyone else i hung out with.

[ms.peachy]

i've thought that too. i see it as a fuck you to everyone else. how fucking rude and disrespectful is that. it's rude and disrespectful and doesn't get you anywhere. it actually limits you or can even make you move backwards unless you've found some niche where behavior like that is tolerated.

Turd you are like a master of irony today.

[TurdBerglar]

the fact come off as rude and direspectful here or that im picking on goths?

it's not goths that im picking on it's the people that have this midset to feel the need to be different to rebel over useless unimportant shit.

[ms.peachy]

Alls I'm sayin' is, I thought that that statement I quote was pretty rich coming from a guy who thought it was friggin' hilarious when he told a pregnant woman that he hoped her baby dies, is all.

[TurdBerglar]

it's the fucking internet...


how does being rude and disrespectful to people on the internet have any effect on you?

[ms.peachy]

How does someone wearing a bunch of black clothes and eyeliner have any effect on you?

[TurdBerglar]

i get irritated by people that cause their own grief

[ms.peachy]

Whatever, dude. I suppose that explains why you're such a sunny sort of fellow, really. But I know you don't care what I think and trust me that's OK by me.

I'm not buying the "oh it's the internet, it's different" excuse, btw.

[TurdBerglar]

you think "socializing" on the net is the same as socializing in real life?

[ms.peachy]

you think "socializing" on the net is the same as socializing in real life?

Sure, in some cases, it can be. For example I've met people here who I think of as friends, people I think are jerks, people I categorize as acquaintances, people to whom I'm relatively indifferent... just as I have in every other part of my life, be it work or school or around the neighbourhood. The internet is, in fact, part of my life, so although this is a unique medium, it is no less 'real' as far as I am concerned. In what way is it so remarkably different?

[TurdBerglar]

it's remarkebly different in that no one really knows each other. you can only know very very very little about someone through the net. and what you do know is what they only allow you to know. it takes actual contact to know someone. and since we only know very very very little of each other it's like we're not even really real. i honestly don't see how anyone can come close enough to knowing someone exlusively through the net to catogorize that person as even being alive.

and if you can convey you're whole true self exclusively through the net there must not be a whole lot to you to begin with. i highly doubt anyone here is that shallow. you'd have to be a nearly a vegetable to be that shallow.

to me typed words are just typed words. you cannot see other peoples' reactions. you cannot see other peoples' facial expresssions. you cannot come close to fully feeling others' own emotions. the net is just so naturally limited that it's like not even really talking to real people.

[TurdBerglar]

the only real good thing i see about socializing on the net is that you get people's unfilitered thoughts.


im sure most of us express things here they were never express in real life. that's really the only thing i really see as actually good from socializing here. that and all the absurd banter.

[ms.peachy]

OK well, if that's your take on it, then that's fine, you know, for you. I'm not going to sit here and try and convince you of anything different. I just don't think of the internet the same way, I guess.

I don't know that I convey my "whole true self" to most people in other aspects of my what you would call 'real' life as well. My husband, I would say, but probably not most other people, because everyone we know, we know in the context of a relationship, and not every aspect of myself is present in every reelationship I have. My parents don't know me in the same way the people I work with know me. The women in my book group don't know me in the same way that the mums I go to playgroup with my daughter know me. The people on the residents committee on which I serve don't know me in the same way as the women I play basketball with know me. I don't really get that the internet is so different. People here don't neccessarily see the same aspects of me that the women I post with on the parenting forum I frequent.

At the end of the day, if you choose to view the internet as filled with nothing but two dimensional characters who have no basis in real existence, then that is your choice. To be sure there are loads of people out there who are trying on different personas or are just plain old full of shit or whatever, I get that. But there are people out in the 'real' world doing the very same thing, so for me, I just treat it all as real, and keep my bullshit detector charged and at the ready. Personally, I feel like if I didn't think of people I meet on the net as potentially 'real', I will have missed out on the chance to get to know some really cool people, because I've made some good friends over the years.

[TurdBerglar]

i see it as you can only know about 5% of who people really are while online.

[Lyman Zerga]

i see it as you can only know about 5% of who people really are while online.

at the same time we people know probably more about each other than our friends/families know about us

well my mum sure doesnt know how much i love the pussy!

[TurdBerglar]

no way

well not for me.


you guys may know some truths about me that no one else knows. but it's very little.

[Lyman Zerga]

no way

well not for me.


you guys may know some truths about me that no one else knows. but it's very little.

so your mum knows how much you fear the pussy?

[TurdBerglar]

:rolleyes:

[Lyman Zerga]

what

[adrockmelanie]

the key to being different is to be yourself. if you wait a little while, the majority of people will fall into the "different" trend, leaving you as the only one who is actually different!