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TurdBerglar
10-31-2007, 10:38 PM
BALTIMORE - A grieving father won a nearly $11 million verdict against a fundamentalist church that pickets military funerals out of a belief that the war in Iraq is a punishment for America's tolerance of homosexuality.

Albert Snyder sued the Kansas-based Westboro Baptist Church for unspecified damages after members demonstrated at the March 2006 funeral of his son, Marine Lance Cpl. Matthew Snyder, who was killed in Iraq.

The federal jury first awarded $2.9 million in compensatory damages. It returned in the afternoon with its decision to award $6 million in punitive damages for invasion of privacy and $2 million for causing emotional distress.

Snyder's attorney, Craig Trebilcock, had urged jurors to determine an amount "that says don't do this in Maryland again. Do not bring your circus of hate to Maryland again."

Church vows appeal
The defense said it planned to appeal, and one of the church's leaders, Shirley Phelps-Roper, said the members would continue to picket military funerals.

"Absolutely; don't you understand this was an act in futility?" Phelps-Roper said.

Church members routinely picket funerals of military personnel killed in Iraq and Afghanistan, carrying signs such as "Thank God for dead soldiers" and "God hates fags."

Snyder claimed the protests intruded upon what should have been a private ceremony and sullied his memory of the event.

The church members testified they are following their religious beliefs by spreading the message that soldiers are dying because America is too tolerant of homosexuality.

“God promised dire outpourings of very painful wrath, and there’s nothing more painful than killing one of your children and that’s what’s going on in Iraq,” church founder Fred Phelps told msnbc.com in a 2006 interview. “That’s what we’re preaching and the forum of choice to deliver such a message, obviously, is the funeral of the kid that’s been blown to smithereens."

Attorneys for the church maintained in closing arguments Tuesday that the burial was a public event and that even abhorrent points of view are protected by the First Amendment, which guarantees freedom of speech and religion.

Several states have passed laws regarding funeral protests, and Congress has passed a law prohibiting such protests at federal cemeteries. But the Maryland lawsuit is believed to be the first filed by the family of a fallen serviceman.

The church and three of its leaders — Phelps and his two daughters, Phelps-Roper and Rebekah Phelps-Davis, 46 — were found liable for invasion of privacy and intent to inflict emotional distress.

The group is confident the award will be overturned on appeal, Phelps said

"Oh, it will take about five minutes to get that thing reversed," he said.

Verdict ‘exceeds ... worth of the defendants’
Earlier, church members staged a demonstration outside the federal courthouse. Phelps held a sign reading "God is your enemy," while Phelps-Roper stood on an American flag and carried a sign that read "God hates fag enablers." Members of the group sang "God Hates America" to the tune of "God Bless America."

Snyder sobbed when he heard the verdict, while members of the church greeted the news with tightlipped smiles.

It was unclear whether the plaintiffs would be able to collect the damages awarded.

Before the jury began deliberating the size of punitive damages, U.S. District Judge Richard Bennett noted that the size of the compensatory award "far exceeds the net worth of the defendants," according to financial statements filed with the court.

Defense lawyer Jonathan Katz said the church has about 75 members and is funded by tithing.

The defense attorney said that the assets of the church and the three defendants are less than a million dollars and that the compensatory award is about three times the defendants' net worth, mainly in homes, cars and retirement accounts.

One of Snyder's attorneys, Sean Summers, said he would tirelessly seek payment of the award.

"We will chase them forever if it takes that long," Summers said.


disturbing anyone's funeral is pretty fucked up

Yetra Flam
10-31-2007, 10:39 PM
uh yeah, and anyone saying "god hates fags" is pretty fucked up as well. to say the least. christ.

that westboro baptist church is pretty well known.

TurdBerglar
10-31-2007, 10:40 PM
http://msnbcmedia3.msn.com/j/msnbc/Components/Photo_StoryLevel/071031/071031_soldierProtests_hmed_4p.hmedium.jpg

Loppfessor
11-01-2007, 12:13 AM
We were talkin bout these assholes at work the other day....I would seriously kill those fuckers, and I don't mean that like just something to say. If they showed up at my kid's funeral who died serving his country I would put a bullet in every one of their skulls....

Planetary
11-01-2007, 04:46 AM
i havn't read any of this thread, but im pretty sure louis theroux made a documentary on them.

camo
11-01-2007, 06:45 AM
i havn't read any of this thread, but im pretty sure louis theroux made a documentary on them.

he did, it was good watchin'

we spoke about it here (http://www.beastieboys.com/bbs/showthread.php?t=78516&highlight=louis+theroux)

The Notorious LOL
11-01-2007, 10:49 AM
I think this pretty much urinates on the whole right to free speech thing. You shouldnt have a right to free speech if its hate filled.

Rock
11-01-2007, 10:53 AM
Those guys are great on Stern, in the same way that Daniel Carver is great on Stern. What a bunch of morons.

Its sad when you hear the little kids parrot whatever their moms say. Nasty nasty cycle.

Kid Presentable
11-01-2007, 10:56 AM
Cause I think if there is a god, he clearly hates women.

checkyourprez
11-01-2007, 10:56 AM
I think this pretty much urinates on the whole right to free speech thing. You shouldnt have a right to free speech if its hate filled.


agreed. as dispicable as these people are you cant start awarding money for stuff like this.

Bob
11-01-2007, 10:58 AM
Those guys are great on Stern, in the same way that Daniel Carver is great on Stern. What a bunch of morons.

Its sad when you hear the little kids parrot whatever their moms say. Nasty nasty cycle.

i think my favorite/least favorite/favorite again thing about these guys is the pictures of the little kids in the "GOD HATES FAGS" tshirts carrying "thank god for 9/11" signs...those are going to be some well adjusted people in a few years, i'm sure

i do kind of wonder how fred phelps hasn't been murdered yet. i'm not advocating this by any means, i'm just genuinely curious how he hasn't been beaten to death yet. i mean, you go around picketing the funerals of dead soldiers, surely those are attended by soldiers and ex-soldiers who are in no mood to hear this shit...eventually one of them is going to lose it and either tear his larynx out or snipe him from a clock tower or something, i mean jesus, people get murdered for so much less in this country. how is he still walking? they killed martin luther king, they killed malcolm x, they killed gandhi, but nobody's taken a pot shot at fred phelps yet?

Rock
11-01-2007, 10:59 AM
I thought they were Baptists?

Niiiiiice as well as the gothy black bold font comment in the goth thread. Why can't they all be as good as these cmute? WHY!?

wanton wench
11-01-2007, 11:18 AM
i think god hates everyone. look at us.....we're a bunch of assholes. hate is hate no matter who's name you spread it in.

Lex Diamonds
11-01-2007, 11:20 AM
I was at a funeral that got picketed once. All these people turned up with signs, and the priest just pulled out a magnum and started firing. Before I had time to think, there were bullets flying everywhere.

Hitting the deck, I pulled the trusty Spas 12 shotgun from my ankle holster. I let off a few shots in the direction of the crowd to suppress them while I searched for cover. Then I saw it: a large oak tree about 20 feet away, the other side of the open grave. Heaving myself to my feet, I ran towards the cover, shells and mourners falling all around me. I cleared the grave with an aerial cartwheel, discharging my weapon as I flew through the air and hit the fresh blessed dirt. I made it to the tree and took a few seconds to gather my thoughts and reload. "Great," I thought, "only 2 more shells".

Luckily the funeral was for the manager of my local propane utility dealership, and there was a large canister of the stuff next to his grave, ready to be buried with him, fulfilling his dying wish. Gripping the cold steel to my chest, I gave myself the catholic cross and ran towards the barrel. I leaned against it, painfully aware of the fact that a single stray bullet would turn me into a shower of pork scratchings. With one final surge of intent I kicked the barrel into the throng of screaming homphobic nazi picketers, shouted "Yippee-ki-yay, motherfuckers", and shot at the barrel. I was instantly blown back and off my feet by the billowing fireball of brilliant orange.

I dragged myself from the floor and made a prayer for the smouldering human remains littered across the graveyard. I made my way slowly back to the waiting Harley Davidson, and mounted it wearily. Just as I set the clutch, a zombie with no legs lunged at me from behind, lurching determinedly at my neck. I panicked, and was forced to headbutt all it's teeth out to prevent it from administering a worse than fatal bite. Groping for my shotgun, I steadied it's head with one hand and, with the other, disintegrated it with a bang.

I threw the still smoking shotgun to the floor, pulled out my carton of cigarettes and lit one, exhaling emphatically as I started the Harley and rode out of the graveyard onto the cold rainswept streets of Chicago. I headed off into the unforgiving night in search of a cheap motel, but that's another story altogether...

camo
11-01-2007, 11:27 AM
I was at a funeral that got picketed once. All these people turned up with signs, and the priest just pulled out a magnum and started firing. Before I had time to think, there were bullets flying everywhere.

Hitting the deck, I pulled the trusty Spas 12 shotgun from my ankle holster. I let off a few shots in the direction of the crowd to suppress them while I searched for cover. Then I saw it: a large oak tree about 20 feet away, the other side of the open grave. Heaving myself to my feet, I ran towards the cover, shells and mourners falling all around me. I cleared the grave with an aerial cartwheel, discharging my weapon as I flew through the air and hit the fresh blessed dirt. I made it to the tree and took a few seconds to gather my thoughts and reload. "Great," I thought, "only 2 more shells".

Luckily the funeral was for the manager of my local propane utility dealership, and there was a large canister of the stuff next to his grave, ready to be buried with him, fulfilling his dying wish. Gripping the cold steel to my chest, I gave myself the catholic cross and ran towards the barrel. I leaned against it, painfully aware of the fact that a single stray bullet would turn me into a shower of pork scratchings. With one final surge of intent I kicked the barrel into the throng of screaming homphobic nazi picketers, shouted "Yippee-ki-yay, motherfuckers", and shot at the barrel. I was instantly blown back and off my feet by the billowing fireball of brilliant orange.

I dragged myself from the floor and made a prayer for the smouldering human remains littered across the graveyard. I made my way slowly back to the waiting Harley Davidson, and mounted it wearily. Just as I set the clutch, a zombie with no legs lunged at me from behind, lurching determinedly at my neck. I panicked, and was forced to headbutt all it's teeth out to prevent it from administering a worse than fatal bite. Groping for my shotgun, I steadied it's head with one hand and, with the other, disintegrated it with a bang.

I threw the still smoking shotgun to the floor, pulled out my carton of cigarettes and lit one, exhaling emphatically as I started the Harley and rode out of the graveyard onto the cold rainswept streets of Chicago. I headed off into the unforgiving night in search of a cheap motel, but that's another story altogether...

you're such a bloody liar

Lex Diamonds
11-01-2007, 11:29 AM
Nah, it's a true story.

camo
11-01-2007, 11:38 AM
Nah, it's a true story.


maybe the rest, but you don't have a harley.

I can smell a fib a mile off

Lex Diamonds
11-01-2007, 11:39 AM
Believe what you need to believe... the truth is coming, and the blind will be converted.

camo
11-01-2007, 11:41 AM
Believe what you need to believe... the truth is coming, and the blind will be converted.


0800-PRAY2PAD

Bob
11-01-2007, 11:46 AM
there's no way you said "yippie-ki-yay motherfuckers", that only happens in action movies

Lex Diamonds
11-01-2007, 11:47 AM
Parts of action movies are based on real life, you know. I get paid decent royalties. (y)

camo
11-01-2007, 11:50 AM
Parts of action movies are based on real life, you know. I get paid decent royalties. (y)

Like the screenplay you did for 'The Last Action Hero'?

paul jones
11-01-2007, 11:51 AM
It's just because the price of ciggies are rising I bet.Maybe he should switch to rollies

abcdefz
11-01-2007, 11:59 AM
there's no way you said "yippie-ki-yay motherfuckers", that only happens in action movies




you just said it

Lex Diamonds
11-01-2007, 12:00 PM
Actually, if we're being technical, he typed it, whereas I really said it in a real-life situation. For real.

Waus
11-01-2007, 12:18 PM
i think my favorite/least favorite/favorite again thing about these guys is the pictures of the little kids in the "GOD HATES FAGS" tshirts carrying "thank god for 9/11" signs...those are going to be some well adjusted people in a few years, i'm sure

i do kind of wonder how fred phelps hasn't been murdered yet. i'm not advocating this by any means, i'm just genuinely curious how he hasn't been beaten to death yet. i mean, you go around picketing the funerals of dead soldiers, surely those are attended by soldiers and ex-soldiers who are in no mood to hear this shit...eventually one of them is going to lose it and either tear his larynx out or snipe him from a clock tower or something, i mean jesus, people get murdered for so much less in this country. how is he still walking? they killed martin luther king, they killed malcolm x, they killed gandhi, but nobody's taken a pot shot at fred phelps yet?

Same reason no one ever kills Batman, they don't want to make him a martyr that people can unite behind.

Lex Diamonds
11-02-2007, 09:19 AM
That worthless scumbag Batman is not even worth our bullets.

icy manipulator
11-02-2007, 09:28 AM
best justice would be to stab him with a AIDS junkie's syringe.

Lex Diamonds
11-02-2007, 09:35 AM
An AIDS junkie?

"Oooh I just can't get enough of that wonderful AIDS! Just gimme one more hit man, this crippling and fatal disease is so addictive!"

Rock
11-02-2007, 02:28 PM
http://fukung.net/v/5325/501000535_22c01e2651.jpg

Audio.
11-03-2007, 02:27 AM
those kind of people ruin the principles, morals, and the origins of the religion.

I bet most of the people in the same religion wanna beat the shit out of those haters aswell for destroying the faith with their hatred. in fact those bitches always mix and misinterpret the concepts of the bible.

yeah I knock their ass down too.(n)

Lex Diamonds
07-07-2008, 07:18 PM
Well that's good to hear. Always nice to "knock an ass down". (y) (:confused:?)